2nd time in 3 weeks we saw a team with multipe all-pro players mssing and we lost.. How can the Cowboys have 8 OL that are better than our best OL? How come backup RBs look so good against us and at times better than our 2nd overall pick.. especially when we have invested so heavily in our DL..
Can someone please explain how are we any better than we were 3 years ago? He really needs to go.. Dallas probably has a better OL talent on their practice squad team than we have on starters.. after all these investments..
- the super bowl panthers team had 9/22 starters make the pro bowl - gettleman was responsible for bringing in 1 of the 9
- he let josh norman and steve smith go with no real plan on replacing them
- his last year, the year after the super bowl, they went from 15-1 to 6-10
and we all know the story with the moves he's made here and i'm not even going to touch barkley at #2 and jones at #6
-took a 23.2m cap hit, forgoing 11m in cap savings so eli could play 3 games in front of your #6 pick
- 3rd round pick on sam beal
- used 3 picks to draft deandre baker
- traded 2 picks for alec ogletree less than 5 months after the rams extended him at 4/42.8m
- traded 2 picks for leonard williams at the deadline last year when they were 2-6
- signed golden tate to 4/37.5m with 23m guaranteed
- signed jonathan stewart to a two year deal the same offseason he drafted barkley
- signed beckham, paid him 40m for one year, then traded him without letting the league know he was available
- signed omameh to be a starter at 3/15 and cut him midway through his first year here
- free agents he's committed at least 10m to since he got the job - bradberry, martinez, tate, solder, kareem martin, omameh
the team is bereft of talent and we've had three straight years of top 6 picks - how is that possible when you've had
4 of the top 70 picks in 2018
5 of the top 95 picks in 2019, including 3 first rounders
His brother Chris is the SR VP of Player Personnel since 2012. His nephew Tim McDonnell is the Assistant Director of Player Personnel - yet another Mara whose only qualification for his job is being a Mara. He's worked for the Giants in the football operation since 2013. He reports to Ken Sternfeld who has been the Director of Player Personnel since 2012. See a pattern here? Can you imagine those 3 guys with their track record still employed by any other NFL team?
That's why Gettleman got the job. Because before he left the Giants he worked with all those guys and understands that GM of Giants is a middle management job and where the real power is. Not because Ernie recommended him.
That's why Abrams was going to be the next GM when there was a soft landing for Gettleman. Now that it's going end so ugly for Gettleman John Mara will probably try to find another middle manager to take the heat and occasionally speak to the media while his family continues to run the roster of the football team and pick the coaches.
Exactly what I posted but a lot better.
People can bitch and moan about the process and what GM is a better etc, but are sure short sighted. This is the issue. Everyone that has been in place the last 20 years are still in place.
They may change a scout or 2 (one was promoted and then fired) but the infrastructure of the organization is still the same as it always been.
I think we should really appreciate what Reese has done here. Dealing with the family business and still scouting great talent for years before becoming GM. That he was able to navigate this family maze makes it that more remarkable.
But yet people keep yelling at the moon thinking it's the GM!..
- the super bowl panthers team had 9/22 starters make the pro bowl - gettleman was responsible for bringing in 1 of the 9
- he let josh norman and steve smith go with no real plan on replacing them
- his last year, the year after the super bowl, they went from 15-1 to 6-10
and we all know the story with the moves he's made here and i'm not even going to touch barkley at #2 and jones at #6
-took a 23.2m cap hit, forgoing 11m in cap savings so eli could play 3 games in front of your #6 pick
- 3rd round pick on sam beal
- used 3 picks to draft deandre baker
- traded 2 picks for alec ogletree less than 5 months after the rams extended him at 4/42.8m
- traded 2 picks for leonard williams at the deadline last year when they were 2-6
- signed golden tate to 4/37.5m with 23m guaranteed
- signed jonathan stewart to a two year deal the same offseason he drafted barkley
- signed beckham, paid him 40m for one year, then traded him without letting the league know he was available
- signed omameh to be a starter at 3/15 and cut him midway through his first year here
- free agents he's committed at least 10m to since he got the job - bradberry, martinez, tate, solder, kareem martin, omameh
the team is bereft of talent and we've had three straight years of top 6 picks - how is that possible when you've had
4 of the top 70 picks in 2018
5 of the top 95 picks in 2019, including 3 first rounders
Solid facts that DG supporters don't have an arguement for.. Tate was a god awful signing.. even at the time we signed him.. Then we got lucky and he got caught so we could've voided the contract.. what did we do? after a sub par season we continued with the overpaid contract..
While he's invested a ton in the DL - it's average at best IMO. And there's no clear cut pass rusher.
On the other side, again, he's invested in both the draft and trades...and just looks like a mess. There are small glimpses of improvement. Very small.
But most glaring is the fact he drafted Barkely over Josh Allen. That was a mistake.
Barkley was the easy pick. Allen was the right pick.
Three years later, we could be looking at a 2-3 team. Again.
Gettleman does not deserve to make that pick in 2021.
It's not necessarily all his fault - there is some luck involved - but you have to take the entire package.
Anyway, when looking over DG's tenure, the bright spots are pretty few and far between. I think we can all agree they consist mostly of:
1) Finding Slayton,
2) Drafting Lawrence,
3) Finding Ryan Connelly,
The thing that's maddening to me about DG is that when he trades away talent, he doesn't seem to have a solid plan in place to replace it. The team he inherited had JPP, OBJ, Vernon, and Snacks. Of those, he oddly only seemed to have a plan to replace the whole created by Snacks.
Many have talked about the failure to remotely fix the OL and the awful plan for the OL this season, which is true, but the lack of investment in pass rushers is even glaringly more obvious to me.
Many applauded the JPP trade at the time but I really don't get what the rationale was there. He wasn't massively overpaid and has produced in Tampa Bay. Again, that production hasn't been replaced. The prevailing thought was that JPP could not play in a 3-4, which I do not think is accurate.
The Vernon for Zeitler trade was at least a decent move that paid off some dividends before Zeitler began to break down, but once again, no plan to replace what Vernon gave us when he was on the field.
As for Flowers, I, like many, was happy when he was cut; having said that, nobody thought to at least try him out at Guard before cutting him? In fairness though, he likely needed a change of scenery to get to where he is today.
I can't speak too much regarding his tenure w the Panthers, and granted they did go 15-1 and reach the Superbowl, but I do recall him trading away talent there - Josh Norman, Steve Smith - but it seems he was able to at least address those roster spots with some reinforcements.
On a second overarching note, taking a shot with Eli was a really stupid decision. McAdoo was right to bench him when he did - the problem was that he played Geno, not Lauletta, which was just as pointless. However, DG was probably hired by the Maras because he was willing to take a shot with Eli. This is where my problem with NYG's ownership is really underscored. This "keep it in the family" approach is asinine and needs to end. The next GM cannot be Abrams. Chris Mara needs to back the fuck off football operations. And they need to STOP. CONSULTING. ACCORSCI. Who gives a fuck what Ernie Accorsci thinks at this time? I can't help but think the Giants limited their GM search because they had a mandate that the new GM had to take a shot with Eli.
As for his drafting, I do not think it's crazy to say they have objectively been terrible.
1) Barkley - this has been discussed ad nauseum, but is a little more nuanced than people who right it off as a terrible decision now. If I'm being perfectly honest here, I absolutely hated the Barkley pick at the time due to not only the fact he was an RB, but the type of RB he was. I watched Penn State a lot and Barkley in particular with jealousy (as I'm a Rutgers fan who was so bummed he decommitted), but Barkley's propensity to dance around the line, get minimal gains on a bunch of plays, then break a big one, was evident in college. That is not the type of RB you take at #2 unless you have a great line.
Having said that, the vast majority of this board wanted Barkley or Darnold. The portion that wanted the two players who would look like the "correct" pick in hindsight (Josh Allen or Nelson) was miniscule. Nelson was a Guard and right or wrong, they don't go at the #2 overall spot, especially when you have the option of the QBs or Barkley. Allen would have been a ballsy, correct call, and kudos to the BBIers who said he'd turn out to be the best of the 4 being considered at #2 that year. I was not one of them and was totally wrong on that.
So that's a long way of saying Barkley was not the right guy to pick, but I still think the alternative would have ended up being Darnold.
2) Jones - Jones is better than he looks this season, but his ceiling is not what the #6 overall pick's ceiling should be, and is actively being lowered by being on this shitty team. If Jones went to a team with a competent O-line and some semblance of NFL caliber skill players, he'd clearly be a solid to good QB. I don't think he has the pocket presence to be a great QB, not to mention he locks onto his WRs too much and obviously turns the ball over at an insane rate. The fumbles are something that IIRC were on his scouting report from Duke, and have not improved at all.
The question is whether some of this issues have been exacerbated and whether Jones change to improve in this areas has been shot (or is actively disintegrating) due to the terrible team around him. The end result is the same though; he has not shown remotely enough to forgo a top QB if the Giants have a shot at one. He also has been bad enough (so far) that replacing him needs to be the #1 priority.
The Giants appear to be headed for a top 3 pick again. If the pick is #1, DG will likely be fired and his replacement is not going to pass up on Lawrence, period. It's not even worth arguing, it's not going to happen.
If it's #2, DG is probably fired, but I wouldn't reach to replace Jones automatically. I think the pick should be S'ua, even if it means keeping Thomas at RT. Thomas hasn't grown into being an LT yet, but again, instead of hinging your hopes that he grows into one on where the (likely fired) DG took Thomas, you need to look at it as a sunk cost, slide Thomas to RT, hope he becomes a lynchpin there, then take S'ua and hope you're solidifed bookends for a long time. Grab a center, maybe bring in some competition for Hernandez, and hope that between another guard, an aging Zeitler, Hernandez, Lemiux, and Gates, you can find 3 competent inside players.
But if the pick is #3 and Fields has another great season, I think the new GM (or DG if god forbid he is still here).
Lawrence is a good player worth of where was picked, but the roster already had Tomlinson and had more pressing needs than DT.
Regardless of what people thought of Baker at the time, he was a bad pick. It's easy for people to say "how could you know he'd be arrested for armed robbery?", but that isn't even the reason I think he was unequivocally a bad pick. He was a bad pick because not only is he off the team (regardless of the reason), he also wasn't very good when he was on the field. Yes, the light bulb may have gone on, but when you couple his on field play with the fact the character concerns fleshed themselves out and he got released, it was a bad pick.
The Wiliams and OBJ trades were not good trades. Some may agree with the timing of getting rid of OBJ, which I can get behind, because big game against Dallas notwithstanding, I do not think he looks like he is physically the same player as he was in his NYG prime. But he'd still be by far the best skill player on this offense and is still a #1 WR in the NFL. He has no chemistry with Mayfield, and keeping him around would have been extremely helpful for Jones development. The return for OBJ was not great. The picks were not used wisely as some were traded for Baker, and Peppers is not a good football player (and was not good in Cleveland). If you wanted to get two firsts for him, they should have gotten a second 1st round pick from someone, not Peppers. Eric has said that there's a chance Lawrence ends up being the best player in that trade, but unless that happens, I think we can chalk that up as a bad move.
The Williams trade is still perplexing to this day. I do not get the rationale behind it.
This turned into a huge rambling post, but I don't get what people are expecting from DG when they say to give him time and believe he can turn it around. He has shown nothing to this point to inspire confidence, and there's this cloud of pseudo-organizational-nepotism around his hire in the first place.
Sonic you took on a lot with that post, but like many including myself at times I think you're taking liberty with hindsight. And misremembering in spots.
The 1st thing to jump out at me was replacing what Vernon gave us on the field. Vernon was barely on the field and when he was he is the King of Almost sacks ( a lot like Williams now Which is part of your post I TOTALLY agree with). With Flowers they wanted him to move and try other spots but the rumor was he was unwilling. The Eli point was botched. Not just from an opinion stand point but McAdoo didn't have Lauletta he had Webb and I believe the thought was that he wasn't good enough so he thought Geno would be better. I mean really, this was bad. And with OBJ trade I disagree. I mean do you think his attitude after last season and this would have helped Jones development? Jones would HAVE to be staring down OBJ to get him the ball. He's lost a step and honestly we're talking about one good game. Some misremembering definetly.
But I agree, they do have to move on from DG and to others points I think the process has to be completely different and a lot better. Either way, like your post, this season is going to be long and rambling.
Not just any MLB GM but the one who just lost to a team with 20% of his teams payroll in an uncapped sport. The MLB GM who has won 1 world series while spending 2 billion in payroll while his biggest rival has won 4 world series.
That's the record he's excited about?
Gettleman is going to get 3 full seasons as GM of the Giants and he'll be lucky to finish 12-36. He is exactly what his record says he is.
He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I had time to reflect back on it, and it's actually incredible that he posed a defense of Gettleman...in the same thread where he later asks where he ever defended Gettleman. He then responds to a post calling him out for being non-existent on this thread for weeks (with the exception of meaningless non-giants topics) with a copy of threads that supported the fact that he's been hiding. Its as if he occupies an alternative reality on this board.
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I had time to reflect back on it, and it's actually incredible that he posed a defense of Gettleman...in the same thread where he later asks where he ever defended Gettleman. He then responds to a post calling him out for being non-existent on this thread for weeks (with the exception of meaningless non-giants topics) with a copy of threads that supported the fact that he's been hiding. Its as if he occupies an alternative reality on this board.
I think FMIC is sitting back laughing. After last night I’m convinced this is a 5 year trolling. In that case insert gif of Derek Jeter’s nephew tipping his cap
The kind of posts he would typically attack which makes it all the more ironic.
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I think 3 years is a fair amount of time to judge a GM, not less. I will agree it looks awful right now and I think DG has likely done not one single good thing for the franchise. ALl of first round picks other than Lawrence could be busts. COULD BE, could is operative word.
I am not defending FMiC. I get tired when when people call him into a thread that has not yet devolved into people acting like they were in a dying marriage. Just to infect a new thread with animosity between people that has lasted for years. When he says something that pisses me off I tell him so and let it go. When he says something I agree with I tell him so and move on. I am embarrassed for the people waiting for something from him they are unlikely to ever receive.
But you said ...NEVER.
Right here this happened this one time, so you are fucking wrong...
It is old.
Giants suck
Giants have sucked for a long time.
We are all pissed off.
We are powerless to fix it.
So we fight.
I am suggesting we not do that.
I am not defending FMiC. I get tired when when people call him into a thread that has not yet devolved into people acting like they were in a dying marriage. Just to infect a new thread with animosity between people that has lasted for years. When he says something that pisses me off I tell him so and let it go. When he says something I agree with I tell him so and move on. I am embarrassed for the people waiting for something from him they are unlikely to ever receive.
Not even close.
This thread was started at 8:51pm on Sunday and he joined a few minutes later, on his own, with a defensive hot take. Posters naturally responded to it. By 9:07 fmic is already cursing at them and a few minutes later calling them f_k_g imbeciles.
Shift your embarrassment elsewhere please.
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I think DG has been bad. I expect at the end of the year to be with everyone with a pitchfork. I am waiting the whole year though. If the OL gels and DJ looks like he is improving I will look foolish if I act our now. This is an entire new staff and philosphy without any preseason games.
I think 3 years is a fair amount of time to judge a GM, not less. I will agree it looks awful right now and I think DG has likely done not one single good thing for the franchise. ALl of first round picks other than Lawrence could be busts. COULD BE, could is operative word.
I am not defending FMiC. I get tired when when people call him into a thread that has not yet devolved into people acting like they were in a dying marriage. Just to infect a new thread with animosity between people that has lasted for years. When he says something that pisses me off I tell him so and let it go. When he says something I agree with I tell him so and move on. I am embarrassed for the people waiting for something from him they are unlikely to ever receive.
But you said ...NEVER.
Right here this happened this one time, so you are fucking wrong...
It is old.
Giants suck
Giants have sucked for a long time.
We are all pissed off.
We are powerless to fix it.
So we fight.
I am suggesting we not do that.
"call him in"? He made the 4th post on this thread. Nobody called him in.
I agree with you that he will never change. He is who he is. However, it's a good thing that the community polices the board, and makes sure that it is known that his behavior is not acceptable, otherwise it becomes normalized, people think that is the way to behave on the board. Perhaps not you, but there are plenty of people who emulate that behavior with with anybody who disagrees with them. It makes the board unreadable and lose value. People stop debating subjects, and threads devolve into the exact behavior, "a dying marriage", to which you referred. So for the benefit of the board in general, it's a good thing that we call out behavior that we don't want becoming the new normal.
Again you are probably right, we will never see FMiC change. However, maybe we can realize a broader improvement. I.E. let him be, but, make sure people know not to join him in his antics. The are posters who it seems believe that he is the "cool kid" of BBI. Those folks need to know that he is not. Those people will only learn this if his type of behavior is periodically called out. It is up to us to police the board, it should not be Eric and the moderators, we should be able to do it ourselves.
Maybe if there wasn’t such efforts to prop up the competence of DG he wouldn’t still be in the building maybe even interfering with Judge’s genuine attempts to improve things. I suggested this in the off-season and some very intelligent posters suggested that Judge has such power that wouldn’t be a problem. Well I don’t think 0-5 is good for Judge. I don’t think the Giants having the impression that fans had faith in DG was a good thing for them. It’s very clear that whatever they feel they can get away with to keep the organizational structure in place they will do. Even if that means mediocrity is aspirational.
The thread I shared earlier in this one from 2018 is the perfect example. Those who dared to question that the Giants leaders weren’t more than capable of turning this around were made out to be conspiracy theorists. The DG plan and turnaround was inevitable. There are some that still want to make like it’s inevitable and not entirely contingent on the organization being willing to change.
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I think DG has been bad. I expect at the end of the year to be with everyone with a pitchfork. I am waiting the whole year though. If the OL gels and DJ looks like he is improving I will look foolish if I act our now. This is an entire new staff and philosphy without any preseason games.
I think 3 years is a fair amount of time to judge a GM, not less. I will agree it looks awful right now and I think DG has likely done not one single good thing for the franchise. ALl of first round picks other than Lawrence could be busts. COULD BE, could is operative word.
I am not defending FMiC. I get tired when when people call him into a thread that has not yet devolved into people acting like they were in a dying marriage. Just to infect a new thread with animosity between people that has lasted for years. When he says something that pisses me off I tell him so and let it go. When he says something I agree with I tell him so and move on. I am embarrassed for the people waiting for something from him they are unlikely to ever receive.
But you said ...NEVER.
Right here this happened this one time, so you are fucking wrong...
It is old.
Giants suck
Giants have sucked for a long time.
We are all pissed off.
We are powerless to fix it.
So we fight.
I am suggesting we not do that.
"call him in"? He made the 4th post on this thread. Nobody called him in.
I agree with you that he will never change. He is who he is. However, it's a good thing that the community polices the board, and makes sure that it is known that his behavior is not acceptable, otherwise it becomes normalized, people think that is the way to behave on the board. Perhaps not you, but there are plenty of people who emulate that behavior with with anybody who disagrees with them. It makes the board unreadable and lose value. People stop debating subjects, and threads devolve into the exact behavior, "a dying marriage", to which you referred. So for the benefit of the board in general, it's a good thing that we call out behavior that we don't want becoming the new normal.
Again you are probably right, we will never see FMiC change. However, maybe we can realize a broader improvement. I.E. let him be, but, make sure people know not to join him in his antics. The are posters who it seems believe that he is the "cool kid" of BBI. Those folks need to know that he is not. Those people will only learn this if his type of behavior is periodically called out. It is up to us to police the board, it should not be Eric and the moderators, we should be able to do it ourselves.
Very well said McL and that was the entire point of the posters calling him out on this thread. Most posters do not care to engage with him at all, I know I didn't for some time as it just wasn't productive toward advancing the conversation. His behavior is completely unacceptable and more so the lack of integrity behind his posts is problematic.
He also has this nasty pattern the past two years of not posting anything on Giants related threads when the losing starts during the season (i.e., hiding), only to reappear on similar threads in the offseason launching profanity laced tirades on anyone who dare question the continuous losing. He was rightfully called out for it, to which he copied a list of threads which provided evidentiary support the he was hiding (embarrassing for him). It should be a bannable offense to treat posters to the "fuck you" posts during the offseason when they accurately predict the decrypt state of the franchise and then not answer for that when the season starts, and, proceeds as predicted. Notice that he also quickly exited from this thread when his "act" was magnified by multiple posters.
Either way, its a win-win.
Actually Googs, I'm sitting back wondering how many people lost their shit over this initial post. The loss against Dallas seems like one of the least indicators of being a GM problem. It was a game we were in until the end, guys like Bradberry, Fackrell and Gano had great games and we lost at the end.
It wasn't meant to be some deep dive into the complete body of work, but that's what BBI has denigrated into.
That one sentence somehow turned into a complete defense of the GM, which is verboten these days. You can look into the mirror on why that is. That's not really a win-win. But a guy who trolled here, was banned and came back already knows that...
Saying it repeatedly doesn't make it true. Find an extended period where I've been absent from this board or on these threads.
And you are the one talking about posting integrity?? The irony there is fucking rich
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He called me stupid.
He called me stupid first.
Rinse and repeat and it lasts a decade.
Let it go.
I wasn't going to post anything anymore regarding FmiC but your post deserves a reply. In addition it deserves a football question to you pertaining to this thread. If you are okay with FMiC then great. I derived pleasure in sticking it to him. I don't care that you don't want to hear it. But, not only personal because he also makes things personal but what you fail to understand is that you're the one taking it way too personal. There's more than attacking him for "warm" personality. Why do you care some are going at it with him? He can stick up for himself.
But what you're missing is his 1st post on this thread.
It's still incredibly ignorant. And if you can't see the comedy in his 1st comment add that up with him shortly after on the same thread started asking on the same thread when did he ever stick up for Gettleman - then maybe you're a Dead Head that partied during too many shows.
Let me ask you this a football question and pertaining to the thread subject-- if you are so above it all- tell what you think of his 1st post on this thread questioning why was this past game vs Dallas indicative of the GM? DO you think the game was or wasn't indicative of the GM and why?
I think DG has been bad. I expect at the end of the year to be with everyone with a pitchfork. I am waiting the whole year though. If the OL gels and DJ looks like he is improving I will look foolish if I act our now. This is an entire new staff and philosphy without any preseason games.
I think 3 years is a fair amount of time to judge a GM, not less. I will agree it looks awful right now and I think DG has likely done not one single good thing for the franchise. ALl of first round picks other than Lawrence could be busts. COULD BE, could is operative word.
I am not defending FMiC. I get tired when when people call him into a thread that has not yet devolved into people acting like they were in a dying marriage. Just to infect a new thread with animosity between people that has lasted for years. When he says something that pisses me off I tell him so and let it go. When he says something I agree with I tell him so and move on. I am embarrassed for the people waiting for something from him they are unlikely to ever receive.
But you said ...NEVER.
Right here this happened this one time, so you are fucking wrong...
It is old.
Giants suck
Giants have sucked for a long time.
We are all pissed off.
We are powerless to fix it.
So we fight.
I am suggesting we not do that.
"call him in"? He made the 4th post on this thread. Nobody called him in.
I agree with you that he will never change. He is who he is. However, it's a good thing that the community polices the board, and makes sure that it is known that his behavior is not acceptable, otherwise it becomes normalized, people think that is the way to behave on the board. Perhaps not you, but there are plenty of people who emulate that behavior with with anybody who disagrees with them. It makes the board unreadable and lose value. People stop debating subjects, and threads devolve into the exact behavior, "a dying marriage", to which you referred. So for the benefit of the board in general, it's a good thing that we call out behavior that we don't want becoming the new normal.
Again you are probably right, we will never see FMiC change. However, maybe we can realize a broader improvement. I.E. let him be, but, make sure people know not to join him in his antics. The are posters who it seems believe that he is the "cool kid" of BBI. Those folks need to know that he is not. Those people will only learn this if his type of behavior is periodically called out. It is up to us to police the board, it should not be Eric and the moderators, we should be able to do it ourselves.
I have seen numerous threads over time where people are mad after another pathetic loss and say things like, "Where is FMiC now? How come Britt isn't here when they lose?" Don't think I am defending them. I am not. That is trolling them IMHO though.
A lot of Strawman happens at BBI. From both sides of almost every debate and it is why FMiC can push people's buttons. People twist what he says enough to make it a Strawman argument and give him room to poke a hole in what they say because he can go back and show exactly what he said, and then he resorts to ad hominem attacks. People on the other side say stupid things when mad and give him even more ammo.
McL, You are one of the people I follow on BBI. I read everything you say. I am certain of your intelligence. Let me say this another way.
I see you post, look forward to reading it and then quickly realize it is an argument with FMiC. It is disappointing. I am not engaging him with this because it is pointless.
However, he does make some insightful posts, he is a smart guy too. When I have requested his opinion without insulting his point of view, he has responded to me with well reasoned and significant information.
Where I will defend FMiC and Britt a bit is that I believe if you were to give them a personality test they would come up as extremely loyal people. I find that a positive personality trait. At times, people on the other side of their arguments attack players they adore and they fight like you insulted their family.
FWIW even though I thought Eli was toast and argued that here, I changed my position because it became so nasty that people who were supposedly fans of the NYG were claiming the guy was never good and only lucky. It made me start to think about what I would do if I were an owner. I am a business owner, so it is easy for me to put myself there. I believe that I would have tried to give the guy I felt like a son about another shot, even if it set my franchise back. I stand by the people that go to war for me. Others might be more successful than I, but I can sleep well.
Getting off pulpit. Have at it. Thank you for all of your contributions here. I benefit from them.
This is what lots of people don't understand and never look at the personal side of it. I've always understood that Eli was going to be on this team until is contract ended. I'm not sure how anyone who knows this organization think otherwise.
The FMiC stuff, ehh, I'll just say this:
I joined this board in March 2005. I stopped posting in 2015 and started back about 2 months ago. I've had more interactions with him since i've been back in than the ten years I was active. And not saying it in a bad way, we just never directly posted to much at all.
For you guys to have so much angst, to have a thread of this many posts and in depth analysis of one poster kinds of tell me maybe it's not all the poster. I could be wrong, but I don't think I can expend so much energy on something like this.
But hell, who am I to judge..
This is what lots of people don't understand and never look at the personal side of it. I've always understood that Eli was going to be on this team until is contract ended. I'm not sure how anyone who knows this organization think otherwise.
The FMiC stuff, ehh, I'll just say this:
I joined this board in March 2005. I stopped posting in 2015 and started back about 2 months ago. I've had more interactions with him since i've been back in than the ten years I was active. And not saying it in a bad way, we just never directly posted to much at all.
For you guys to have so much angst, to have a thread of this many posts and in depth analysis of one poster kinds of tell me maybe it's not all the poster. I could be wrong, but I don't think I can expend so much energy on something like this.
But hell, who am I to judge..
Super post GMan
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Either way, its a win-win.
Spoke to soon I guess.
The site loses
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He also has this nasty pattern the past two years of not posting anything on Giants related threads when the losing starts during the season (i.e., hiding), only to reappear on similar threads in the offseason launching profanity laced tirades on anyone who dare question the continuous losing.
Saying it repeatedly doesn't make it true. Find an extended period where I've been absent from this board or on these threads.
And you are the one talking about posting integrity?? The irony there is fucking rich
I was going to let this rest and die, like other posters suggested, but I'll pull a you...where did I ever insinuate you ever disappeared from the board? I stated you disappeared from Giants related threads for multiple weeks, a statement later corroborated by other posters regularly perusing these threads. Thereafter, you posted a thread list that supported my assertion. I mean c'mon, the Yankees, Dwayne Haskins...yep that's being active on Giants threads.
The other thing, no one cares that you supported/support DG. That's great, you believe in him. That's admirable. What was terrible is the way you went about disagreeing with anyone who doubted the front office. What's more pathetic is you actually tried backtrack on your virulent support of DG. If you find your way back to this thread, please view the Tesla post where he predicted that you would abandon your support for DG and claim you never defended him. Posters can predict your exact actions because of your inane behavior. It's also predictable that once you run out of defenses for your posted actions, you take to profanity laced personal attacks.
What's most pathetic is there is now a second thread in three weeks exclusively devoted to discussing your quality, or lack thereof, as a poster on this site. There are many posters on this board that have loyal opinions and disagree with the naysayers - one that was mentioned is Britt. Have you seen any threads on this site devoted to discussing Britt's quality? No. You know why? Britt doesn't lash out at posters who disagree with him or do not support the current state of the organization.
I am going to take crick's suggestion and leave this thread alone, simply because it is pointless to further discuss anything with you. I joined this site (after years of reading) to discuss Giants football and civilly debate ideas for improvement with other posters, not argue with the likes of you. I, and several other posters, have said our piece. Do with it what you will, go on thinking everyone is wrong but you.
Corroborated by whom - the same posters trashing me?? Great group to look at. You do realize the "recent history" only goes back 3 days or the most recent 15 threads you've been on, right?
This is the recap now. It will change in the next few days too, Einstein
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You made the assertion that I disappear from football threads during the season, yet even while a slew of chuckleheads are supposedly agreeing with you, what is the main takeaway? That I'm on every thread trashing their good opinions. You don't find that in conflict?
You made a ridiculous comment and when called on it - you stood by it and take the smug route that it has actually been proven correct!! Exactly what I'd expect from you. You can look in the archives. But you know I'm right.
As for your point on why there are two threads about me - look to the culprits on this thread. They comprise a bulk of the people I think have some of the shittiest takes on the board. Why they are calling out a guy who disappears from football talk during the season? I'll let your intellect chew on that for awhile.
The post above is the shittiest take on this board this week.
Fits the profile discussed.
Let it go as it’s more comical to hear the responses.
That's not to say that we need to make it a "safe" place, it's fine that it can be rough and tumble. But it can be rough and tumble without devolving into pointless bickering, name calling and profanitly laced tirades against posters.