There aren't many games that they SHOULD win, on Paper. Not Yet. There are games they CAN win, like yesterday's game. With all the reasons for losing, Daniel Jones is consistently adding to the reasons that they lose.
The Non Touchdown to Engram in the First Games...The End of Game INT's, The End of Game Non Performance on yesterdays final drive. Yesterday, we saw a Fumble that should not be a fumble---6 Dallas Points.
My Clock started on Daniel Jones right before He took the First Snap of their last futile Drive in yesterday's game. It's time to keep score on whether he's playing winning football. He's far from a final score, but I'm looking at Win Production, Now.....and Playing Winning Football. Arm?--Check...Legs?... All of the INPUTS for success are there. He needs to start winning winnable games, and there's some time for him to do so....not forever.
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Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
https://theathletic.com/2131897/2020/10/12/questions-on-jones-trick-plays-and-more-takeaways-from-giants-loss-in-dallas/ - ( New Window )
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For the third time this season, the Giants had the ball in the closing minutes with a chance to tie or win. And for the third time, Jones wasn’t able to deliver.
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Jones has appeared in 18 career games. He has a turnover in 17 of those games, with multiple turnovers 10 times.
https://theathletic.com/2131897/2020/10/12/questions-on-jones-trick-plays-and-more-takeaways-from-giants-loss-in-dallas/ - ( New Window )
Why link an article most can’t pull up?
So I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. If you just want to talk about the fumble, fine.....Jones fumbled again. Oh, didn’t Dak and Dalton umble and throw a pic 6?
Go back to the fumble and you will see the boys blitz the CB from Jones's left. He has to take the snap and knows he has to get rid of the ball middle of the field or to the right. BUT, Andrew Thomas gets driven back immediately and Jones, with no time to even look to pass tries to run right but the DE is on him so fast he has no chance. NOW, the fumble is a problem because has has a history but, this wasn't carelessly holding the ball too long. This was a 250 plus lb guy getting to him in less than 3 seconds. if you blame Jones for this and not Thomas or not give credit to the DE then my god you would have blamed tons of QB's in the 80's who fumbled when LT got there.
Jones was the main reason we were even in this game. He was able to run away from pressure enough to complete some clutch passes for first downs. Without that, we aren't even in the game in the second half. Add in the Dalton drop of a pretty easy snap and we don't get a chance at that go ahead TD. Jones was our main threat on offense all day!
Late in the game, where we made it obvious we were passing (a huge mistake by the way), we exposed our shitty left side blocking to the Cowboys one and only defensive strength- the pass rush. Jones had to bail immediately and completes a pass to a back who runs like Howard Cross. Lewis couldn't even get to the LOS.
Second down another pass to Lewis (because the rush was coming through) and he can't even get out of bounds and only brings us to 3rd long.
Teh 3rd down pass was only even able to be attempted because Jones got away from the rush and tried to throw bnck to the middle of the field. Once again it was Lewis and he should have sat down in the middle and made himself a target. Instead (as pointed out by Tony Romo) Lewis kept moving to the sideline and slightly up field making that a much harder throw to complete while running..
Anyone who just blames Jones for yesterday without acknowledging that he was the main reason we were even able to get points on offense is just not being truthful and pushing a preconceived notion and agenda about Jones.
Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
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So what, why make a big deal over that small point? BJones did it for 4 years....apparently his replacement is doing it too because EE was nonexistent in the passing game....especially when needed.
Yup. The WFT game at home is the only, really winnable game I can see all season. After that game you can start forming your opinions on DJ, and Judge for that matter, more concretely. I already can see what DJ is, but I'll still give him a few more games to definitively start forming conclusions.
- Int in the endzone at CHicago
- Int on the 1 at LAR
- yesterday I absolutely think he should have hit Lewis. I've seen QB's hit that pass all day long on the run. I'm not saying he is Wilson, but you know Wilson would have hit Lewis. Yes he was scrambling, but Lewis was wide open
So everyone knew we weren't going anywhere this season, and we still have 11 games, so lets see. However winning these close games does fall on the QB a lot of time.
No QB in the league has a worse situation than him, including the Jets. Our talent base on offense is easily worst in the league.
We should have been playing the 3 or 4 minute offense (because we only had to get to the 36 or 37) and instead it was the 30 second offense. I'm still angry about this.
- Int in the endzone at CHicago
- Int on the 1 at LAR
- yesterday I absolutely think he should have hit Lewis. I've seen QB's hit that pass all day long on the run. I'm not saying he is Wilson, but you know Wilson would have hit Lewis. Yes he was scrambling, but Lewis was wide open
So everyone knew we weren't going anywhere this season, and we still have 11 games, so lets see. However winning these close games does fall on the QB a lot of time.
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I was an Eli fanboy. When they went to Jones, I said ok lets see what he's got. I became a fanboy quickly last season. But you also have to look at his record. What he's doing to win or lose games. His legs are a positive. His turnovers are a negative. He's pressing throws into spots he shouldn't. He's not reading quick enough. Not sure I want to start over again with another QB as none of them are 'guaranteed' winners, but I need DJ to step up and be the reason we win or at least not the reason we lose.
Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
Sorry, I think you need to take the course. The QB may be one of 11 but if you treat the QB position as just one eleventh of your offense you'll never win shit. You think Mahomes is one eleventh of the Chiefs attack? Rodgers? Brady? Lamar? No, they define the offense. You don;t win consistently in the NFL with JAGs as your QB.
Well said, and also agree with producer. This absolutely is not a throw out season for Jones. It is an opportunity to show Jones can raise the team's level of play. You cannot treat a qb as 1/11th of your offense. He is the most important piece. Yesterday was a perfect opportunity, and he was mediocre at best.
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I will start......There are 11 men on offense. They usually have to all do their job to be successful.
Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
Sorry, I think you need to take the course. The QB may be one of 11 but if you treat the QB position as just one eleventh of your offense you'll never win shit. You think Mahomes is one eleventh of the Chiefs attack? Rodgers? Brady? Lamar? No, they define the offense. You don;t win consistently in the NFL with JAGs as your QB.
So, you are the expert I see. You called DJ a JAG. May I remind you of what he did in 12 games last year....threw for 24 tds and in 3 games, he threw for over 300 with 4 Ted passes and no pics. That feat has only been done 4 times BY A ROOKIE AND JONES DID IT THREE TIMES.
We all agree, his fumbles was a problem, but that can be corrected. Josh Allen has had the same problem but now after two full years everyone is si bing his praise.
Look at Mayfield. Last year everyone wanted to hang him...he took so much abuse....but now, what has happened? He’s 4-1 and all of a sudden he is the test of the town again.
My point is....it is dumb to even think about dumping DJ unless you feel much stronger about a guy who can replace him. We all can agree, or at least most knowledgeable Giant fans can agree, DJ has not been dealt with a great deck of cards to play with. Yesterday, he had to run for his life practically on every down and it’s pretty tough when you only have one receiver to throw to.
Why do I even bother? SMH
EVERYONE QB's NUMBERS ARE UP OVERALL> THEY CHANGED THE RULES.
Also, those numbers are empty calories. You do it when the game is on the line not in garbage time. And you WIN GAMES> Jones might improve ; he might not. He is not playing well when the game is on the line. Not Well enough to win games. That is when it counts and that is what separates the journeyman from the greats. Heck that is why Eli was the best QB the Giants ever had. I don't need to look up stats.
We should have been playing the 3 or 4 minute offense (because we only had to get to the 36 or 37) and instead it was the 30 second offense. I'm still angry about this.
That’s a good point. They should have ran more and I think Jones should have taken off and used his legs more on that drive too. Also if the Giants ran the clock and forced Dallas to use TOs it would have also helped force a potential OT, if we don’t score on that drive of course. Anything can happen in OT.
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I agree, but would refer to it as he does not have the killer instinct that a quarterback needs to win constantly in the NFL.
Jones has to show us something before the season is done. And not just pretty passes in a loss.
Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
agree 100%.. DJ was running for his life all day, made a few great passes on the run near the sideline, and DAL only won because dalton matched him on identical precise go-pattern completions down the stretch.
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I will start......There are 11 men on offense. They usually have to all do their job to be successful.
Yesterday, again, DJ was under intense pressure just about every time he went back to pass. He got hit so fast on his fumble, it was not surprising to me he lost the ball....most would have.
And other than Slayton, who else can get open in under 3 seconds? Dallas does a pretty good job taking out the TE...I think Byron Jones does that. And even those 5 screen passes were all defended very nicely.
So, you can continue to watch one man and blame a loss on him, but a more knowledgeable fan would understand, it usually takes more than one to win. Look at Cincinnati yesterday vs Ravens. Was it all Burrows fault?
Sorry, I think you need to take the course. The QB may be one of 11 but if you treat the QB position as just one eleventh of your offense you'll never win shit. You think Mahomes is one eleventh of the Chiefs attack? Rodgers? Brady? Lamar? No, they define the offense. You don;t win consistently in the NFL with JAGs as your QB.
Your handle says that you are overcompensating for something, possibly several things. Somewhere along the line somebody whom you sought the approval of or wanted to win the affections of obviously gave up on you. You are taking out your frustrations on Daniel Jones. Please forgive yourself and give the guy a chance. You are being too hard on yourself and it reflects on how you speak about our young QB.
I'm rooting for Him...but he's on the clock