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Is Trevor Lawrence the pick?

Rondon : 10/12/2020 2:46 pm
Currently we have the #1 pick. Do we draft Lawrence or see if we can get a Kings ransom for the pick. Either way I hope someone besides Gettleman gets to make this decision
I  
mitch300 : 10/12/2020 2:50 pm : link
Don’t watch college football. How is Lawrence under pressure and is running for his life. That is what he will have to deal with playing on the Giants.
NO  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 2:52 pm : link
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we have the first pick  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/12/2020 2:53 pm : link
He will be the pick. There’s no and, ifs, or buts.
Well, if they end up with the number 1 pick,  
barens : 10/12/2020 2:53 pm : link
Then of course it’s a no-brainer. But we are a long, long way off from finishing with the #1 pick.
He will be the pick  
UberAlias : 10/12/2020 2:55 pm : link
For the Jets. You’re kidding yourself if you think we will ha e the #1 pick
RE: NO  
Doubledeuce22 : 10/12/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15006664 couchcoach100 said:
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen


Lawrence is a generational talent and you absolutely take him with the #1 pick if the Giants get it. If people are so high on DJ then they can trade for him and at least you can re-coup some of the loss.
I wonder if Lawrence will pull an Elway/Eli to avoid the Jets  
bceagle05 : 10/12/2020 2:57 pm : link
or just stay at Clemson like Peyton Manning did once upon a time. The Jets are noticeably worse than the Giants, and we're bottom of the barrel.
RE: He will be the pick  
Blue21 : 10/12/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15006672 UberAlias said:
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For the Jets. You’re kidding yourself if you think we will ha e the #1 pick


This
RE: I wonder if Lawrence will pull an Elway/Eli to avoid the Jets  
allstarjim : 10/12/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15006678 bceagle05 said:
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or just stay at Clemson like Peyton Manning did once upon a time. The Jets are noticeably worse than the Giants, and we're bottom of the barrel.


That's a possibility. I think when you're the consensus #1, especially after this CFB season, and all the uncertainty going forward, I think you have to declare.

And absolutely Lawrence will turn this franchise into a playoff contender, probably be year 2.
RE: NO  
BlueVinnie : 10/12/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15006664 couchcoach100 said:
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen


If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
100% He's the pick  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/12/2020 3:02 pm : link
I have watched him since HS and he can make every throw with great accuracy, he's mobile, and finally he is extremely smart!

I would even take Justin Fields at #2 if he is there.
Fields and Lance highly touted as well  
Oscar : 10/12/2020 3:04 pm : link
Could be a good year to reboot.
RE: RE: NO  
allstarjim : 10/12/2020 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15006692 BlueVinnie said:
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen



If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.


You know, if Rivers retires, a team like the Colts could send us a premium pick, perhaps even a #1, to get Daniel Jones. They are a win-now team and teams will consider, when evaluating Jones, the protection he's gotten as well as the lack of weapons.
Lawrence would be the pick.  
BigBlueBuff : 10/12/2020 3:15 pm : link
Not only does he have the arm talent and the brain, but he's a dog, and will do everything he can to beat you and then tell you all about it. Exactly the kind of quarterback you hate on your rival but you love on your team.
Don’t expect to get the #1 pick  
KDavies : 10/12/2020 3:18 pm : link
Jets are far worse and Giants should win a couple. I like Jones, but I’d have to go Lawrence.
Tough call.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2020 3:18 pm : link
Lawrence LOOKS to be superior to DJ. If you asked me who I prefer, I won't even blink and say Lawrence. I have watched nearly every game of his career and he is impressive. Best overall package I have seen in years. Good points made that our rebuild will likely take at least 1/2 of either QB's career. The only way I would take Lawrence is if we could get some decently high draft picks for DJ.This might be another Rosen scenario and at least at the QB position it looks like it is working out for the Cardinals. The alternative would be a trade down for a bundle of high picks. Depends how deep this draft is.


Dave Gettleman  
Pete44 : 10/12/2020 3:27 pm : link
Mara needs to make sure Gettleman is not anywhere near this pick, because if he is, he will stay at #1, not take Lawerence and make a bad pick.

However, I agree with the consensus, there is not a game on the Jets schedule that they will win, while the Giants could win any NFC East game the rest of the year or they will be 0-15 going into the last Dallas game and win that one.
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2020 3:29 pm : link
i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.
Lawrence plays on a super stacked team  
BigBlueCane : 10/12/2020 3:32 pm : link
for one of the handfull of programs that can win the NC every year.

He might be a great QB at the NFL level, he might not be.

Given the Giants history, the Oregon OL makes more sense particularly if Gates and/or Zeigler continue to struggle.
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2020 3:33 pm : link
i'm looking at Rousseau, Parsons, and Chase as my three targets, probably in that order.
RE: ...  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15006757 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm looking at Rousseau, Parsons, and Chase as my three targets, probably in that order.

I'll add Patrick Surtain II in right before Chase.
If you have the #1 pick......  
thrunthrublue : 10/12/2020 3:41 pm : link
That means your current qb cannot win. If the object is to win games then draft a game winning qb. And....fire your 0-16 g.m.
No  
larryflower37 : 10/12/2020 3:44 pm : link
This might not be the popular opinion but Trade the pick away for a boatload of picks.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
If we end up with the #1 pick  
Matt M. : 10/12/2020 3:47 pm : link
then Jones' play the rest of the way, along with the OL will dictate the move here. IF Jones plays well, cuts down drastically on turnovers, but we lose despite his good play, then you can plan on moving forward with him. Likewise, if the OL improves and we get to see good things from Lemieux and Peart, that moves OL down the list of needs.

Either way, I would only pick Lawrence. I would not reach with #1 for anyone else. So, for me, it's Lawrence or trade down for a haul of picks.
RE: No  
81_Great_Dane : 10/12/2020 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15006778 larryflower37 said:
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This might not be the popular opinion but Trade the pick away for a boatload of picks.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

The Cowboys got fat off the draft picks they got from Minnesota for Herschel Walker, but the Rams didn't do much with the picks they got for Eric Dickerson. If you hit on the draft picks, it's a boon. If not, it's a bust.
I think  
GoDeep13 : 10/12/2020 3:55 pm : link
It would be a mistake to move on from Jones so quickly. There isn’t one team with a worse collection of skill position players and a worse offensive line. Trevor Lawrence on this team is still 0-5.

Right now my 1st round targets would be

1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
Wow. We're using trades from  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2020 4:01 pm : link
31 and 33 years ago to make a point in 2020? Um, the game has not changed a bit since then. Nah...

It is ALWAYS a crapshoot and depends on your scouts and draft room personnel.

I agree, if not Lawrence, you trade down for multiple top picks.
RE: RE: NO  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 15006692 BlueVinnie said:
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen



If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.


There is no way the Giants FO is going to give up on Jones and Draft another QB. If in fact we get the #1 Pick and I doubt we do but just for shits and giggles we do, they will more than likely trade it away for a boat load of draft picks this year and next year. Jone has his problems but you cant expect ANY QB to be able to function when he is running for his life has 2 OK receivers and I say that being nice. What do you expect he is going to do
If they have the number one pick, Yes  
jeff57 : 10/12/2020 4:04 pm : link
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I dont think the giants will finish with the #1 pick ...  
Keyser : 10/12/2020 4:07 pm : link
... but if they do, i dont see how they pass on Lawrence.
RE: NO  
jeff57 : 10/12/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15006664 couchcoach100 said:
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen


Lawrence is probably the best QB to come out of college since Peyton Manning.
How many Lawrence threads do we need each week?  
PatersonPlank : 10/12/2020 4:27 pm : link
We have 11 games to go, lots and lots can happen
jeff  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2020 4:28 pm : link
every year we hear about "the best since..." and rarely does it ever actually come to fruition. They said it about Darnold when he was a freshman, they said it about Tua as well. Now, it is Lawrence, who certainly, absolutely, looks the part of a #1 overall great QB prospect.

But, his NFL projection isn't going to be clear until he steps on the field.
GoDeep  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2020 4:31 pm : link
Surtain is high on my list as well, he seems to be a better prospect than Okudah, and highly thought of in the recent history of Alabama DBs.

If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.
RE: GoDeep  
GoDeep13 : 10/12/2020 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15006844 ryanmkeane said:
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Surtain is high on my list as well, he seems to be a better prospect than Okudah, and highly thought of in the recent history of Alabama DBs.

If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.


Yep. Surtain II gives me Patrick Peterson vibes. I think he’ll be a VERY good CB in the NFL. He already has great route recognition and knows how to read route combinations. My biggest questions with him come down to athletic numbers. If he can run in the 4.4s he’s an absolute lock.
RE: How many Lawrence threads do we need each week?  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2020 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15006833 PatersonPlank said:
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We have 11 games to go, lots and lots can happen


you can also say this about Jones sucks threads, Thomas is a bust threads, Mara is a moron, ditto Gettleman...............
Danny Dimes  
Simms : 10/12/2020 4:44 pm : link
I think its important to give him this season and next.

The excitement he brought to the game when first playing is still there but covered by clouds of 2020 and all that came with it, no preseason, new system etc.

If we were to get the first pick trade down as we still have many other holes.

If we let Jones go and he blossomed say on DallASS, or the Bird, Pats etc. OMG ....

You cannot keep reaching we need a better front office.
Two years ago...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2020 5:08 pm : link
I thought Lawrence was the best QB prospect in the country as a freshman. I felt mostly the same last year.

Today, I'm just a little less certain. I'm probably over-analyzing it but I don't think Lawrence is throwing with the same zip as before. And his ball is floating more with certain throws.

I can't really prove it, but I think the RPO systems he's been running under both Jeff Scott and now Tony Elliott have impacted his footwork and delivery.

The season is still young, so maybe more content to watch will restore my opinions from the last two years...
if they picked that high  
bc4life : 10/12/2020 5:09 pm : link
it'd be a good year move back to grab an LB who can rush and a CB or OL
if we are in position to take him  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2020 5:24 pm : link
that means we stink, and aren't good enough at QB to overcome the rest of the teams shortcomings.

Emphatically yes.
RE: ...  
LBH15 : 10/12/2020 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15006744 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.


Speaking of not being on earth.
Is Trevor Lawrence the pick?  
Spider43 : 10/12/2020 5:35 pm : link
It depends who's making the pick... if it's Gettleman, we'll pick a 'safe' DB with a third round grade at #1...
Gettelman will not be here after the season  
UConn4523 : 10/12/2020 5:36 pm : link
i'd bet anything on that. I think they go all in on Judge and his vision, and will hire a GM to compliment that. Whether that's Abrams or someone else I don't know, but I'm certain it won't be DG.
If the Draft were today I think the answer is Yes  
LBH15 : 10/12/2020 5:38 pm : link
But there is a lot to consider in this overall crappy roster and what a decent GM could do by trading that pick.

And Lawrence needs to show better against top competition this season given the opportunity. As great as his play was against 'Bama two years, he was not nearly as impressive versus Ohio St and LSU last January.

All Jones has to do is win two or three games  
IIT : 10/12/2020 5:40 pm : link
And the Lawrence talk will become moot. He's playing for his job.

My money is on Lawrence wearing green on draft day.
RE: I think  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2020 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15006791 GoDeep13 said:
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It would be a mistake to move on from Jones so quickly. There isn’t one team with a worse collection of skill position players and a worse offensive line. Trevor Lawrence on this team is still 0-5.

Right now my 1st round targets would be

1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
I disagree. Not certain Lawrence makes those costly turnovers that cost us 2 games.
If they  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/12/2020 5:48 pm : link
are in position to draft a QB whether Lawrence or somebody else and they Judge thinks it is a clear upgrade then you go for it imo.

Jones has the rest of the year to make his case and Judge is evaluating. It would be great if he thinks he can win with him. Yesterday the end of the game showed again the Giants need closers at two spots. Edge and WR. Edge guys are really hard to get later in the draft.
How is this a question?  
Sean : 10/12/2020 5:50 pm : link
If we are picking first, Jones proved he’s not good enough. Also, he’d be entering year #3 of his rookie contract with no progress made in terms of wins.
I just watched him against Miami  
Go Terps : 10/12/2020 5:54 pm : link
I'll echo bw above; there's something that looked a little off with him compared to past performance. That said, he's as good a talent as you're gonna get at the position coming out of college.

If the Giants have the first pick they must take Lawrence. They absolutely must.
ask me in December  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/12/2020 5:55 pm : link
a new GM is not going to hitch his wagon to someone elses QB
Sean it s not a question  
joeinpa : 10/12/2020 6:01 pm : link
But it is a bit ridiculous how often this topic is coming up 5 games into the season. Holding out hope for the first pick with 11 games remaining, and all that would have to happen for the Giants to pick first, seems an exercise in futility.

I find myself in agreement with many of your posts, but not with you on the Jones’ thing

I ve seen two other great Giants quarterbacks suffer similar beginnings to their careers. I still feel confident Jones can be something special.
RE: jeff  
jeff57 : 10/12/2020 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15006836 ryanmkeane said:
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every year we hear about "the best since..." and rarely does it ever actually come to fruition. They said it about Darnold when he was a freshman, they said it about Tua as well. Now, it is Lawrence, who certainly, absolutely, looks the part of a #1 overall great QB prospect.

But, his NFL projection isn't going to be clear until he steps on the field.


I don’t recall anyone saying that about any of those QBs. The only QB since Manning who qualified was Luck.
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jeff57 : 10/12/2020 6:05 pm : link
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.



Speaking of not being on earth.


Yes. Love to know how we go 6-5 the rest of the way.
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LBH15 : 10/12/2020 6:08 pm : link
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.



Speaking of not being on earth.



Yes. Love to know how we go 6-5 the rest of the way.


Presumably we are admitted to the Big Ten conference.
RE: Sean it s not a question  
bw in dc : 10/12/2020 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15006996 joeinpa said:
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I ve seen two other great Giants quarterbacks suffer similar beginnings to their careers. I still feel confident Jones can be something special.


Serious question - based on what exactly with Jones to date? Where have you seen the "special" that convinces you more may be on the way...?
Lol.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2020 6:18 pm : link
You watched Miami and something was off with him? Clemson played the #7 team in the country and went 29-42 for 292 yards with 3 td passes and 0 int. On the season he is 84-116 for 1140 yards with 10 TD passes in 4 games and 0 int's. He also has 4 rushing td's. And his stat line would probably be even better but he has the best RB in the country, Travis Etienne.

If that indicates something "off", I want some of that. Wow. No one is a sure bet to succeed in the NFL but he is so much better than any other prospect it is ridiculous.
We are in first place  
SJGiant : 10/12/2020 6:24 pm : link
For the bottom of the draft
First place - ( New Window )
Trevor Lawrence is the next John Elway  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/12/2020 6:29 pm : link
You take him if he is there
RE: Lol.  
bw in dc : 10/12/2020 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15007015 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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You watched Miami and something was off with him? Clemson played the #7 team in the country and went 29-42 for 292 yards with 3 td passes and 0 int. On the season he is 84-116 for 1140 yards with 10 TD passes in 4 games and 0 int's. He also has 4 rushing td's. And his stat line would probably be even better but he has the best RB in the country, Travis Etienne.

If that indicates something "off", I want some of that. Wow. No one is a sure bet to succeed in the NFL but he is so much better than any other prospect it is ridiculous.


I get the stats. They should be exceptional with the talent base Lawrence plays with. That doesn't mean Lawrence may not be throwing with the same velocity as years prior. And that maybe his footwork has slipped...

Look, he's the top prospect. But I think further scrutiny is always wise.
Totally agree.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2020 7:09 pm : link
Just keep in mind, in addition to this year's stats, his QB rating is higher this year than either his Freshman and Sophomore years..For what it's worth.
its hilarious  
MookGiants : 10/12/2020 7:15 pm : link
how people act like it's impossible for the Giants to have the 1st pick.

They've been the worst team in football over the last 3 years. They're 0-5 this year. They have as much chance to go 0-16 as they do 3-13.

This team sucks balls. Some of you are still in denial about that.

They have as good of a chance as any to get the 1st pick
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MookGiants : 10/12/2020 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15006952 LBH15 said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.



Speaking of not being on earth.


LOL! 6-10 was likely this teams ceiling coming into week 1.

0-5 and people still think we finish with 6 wins? If you think this team is going 6-5 the rest of the way you are absolutely clueless.
Finish 6-10?!  
Saquads26 : 10/12/2020 7:18 pm : link
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
we had so many people  
MookGiants : 10/12/2020 7:22 pm : link
on this board who thought taking a running back #2 was a good idea, and we have so many people on this board who think the Giants should trade out of the #1 if Lawrence is there.

This 7 years stretch of horrendous football has really fucked up peoples brains.
If Lawrence is There  
Jeffrey : 10/12/2020 7:26 pm : link
when the Giants pick the answer is YES
I like Daniel Jones more than most, but  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2020 7:43 pm : link
Trevor Lawrence is definitely the pick. Hopefully it will be by a new GM.
6-10? LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2020 7:44 pm : link
How about we win ONE game before talking crazy like that.
RE: we had so many people  
Matt M. : 10/12/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15007078 MookGiants said:
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on this board who thought taking a running back #2 was a good idea, and we have so many people on this board who think the Giants should trade out of the #1 if Lawrence is there.

This 7 years stretch of horrendous football has really fucked up peoples brains.
Mook - I would only trade out of #1 if Jones showed a Hell of a lot over the next 11 games. Since, that isn't likely, I would take Lawrence. Of course the draft is always a crap shoot in reality, Lawrence is much closer to a sure thing.
RE: RE: Sean it s not a question  
joeinpa : 10/12/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15007010 bw in dc said:
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I ve seen two other great Giants quarterbacks suffer similar beginnings to their careers. I still feel confident Jones can be something special.



Serious question - based on what exactly with Jones to date? Where have you seen the "special" that convinces you more may be on the way...?


I base my opinion on his athletic ability. I believe he has arm talent, he is smart and has made plays over the past two years that have me convinced he can be special.

He has lost confidence and is playing tentatively at the moment. I expected him to slide some this season. But I also expect the light to come in the near future and when it does he can be special
RE: its hilarious  
joeinpa : 10/12/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15007067 MookGiants said:
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how people act like it's impossible for the Giants to have the 1st pick.

They've been the worst team in football over the last 3 years. They're 0-5 this year. They have as much chance to go 0-16 as they do 3-13.

This team sucks balls. Some of you are still in denial about that.

They have as good of a chance as any to get the 1st pick


I would be willing to bet a lot, if betting were allowed, that the Giants don’t get the first pick.
RE: RE: RE: Sean it s not a question  
Matt M. : 10/12/2020 7:58 pm : link
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I ve seen two other great Giants quarterbacks suffer similar beginnings to their careers. I still feel confident Jones can be something special.



Serious question - based on what exactly with Jones to date? Where have you seen the "special" that convinces you more may be on the way...?



I base my opinion on his athletic ability. I believe he has arm talent, he is smart and has made plays over the past two years that have me convinced he can be special.

He has lost confidence and is playing tentatively at the moment. I expected him to slide some this season. But I also expect the light to come in the near future and when it does he can be special
I agree he has talent with his legs and arm. He also has made some special plays. Nobody is denying that. But in those games he also made negative plays to cost us. He has turned the ball over at least once in almost every game he played, multiple times in many.

I don't see a lack of confidence. I see a lack of a step forward as of yet. He is a good athlete and likely a good QB. But, I am not convinced he can be a great QB, especially not all on his own.
Oh, I don't expect us to get the #1 pick.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2020 7:59 pm : link
We'll of course beat Washington twice because that's what we do &-if Bro/Evan are to believed-the Jets will probably go 0-16.
RE: Oh, I don't expect us to get the #1 pick.  
Sean : 10/12/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15007121 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll of course beat Washington twice because that's what we do &-if Bro/Evan are to believed-the Jets will probably go 0-16.


Yup. Despite fans getting mocked for thinking they won’t pick 1st, the fact is it is incredibly difficult to pick #1. A lot of bad luck needs to happen. The Giants are in their worst stretch of football (12-41 since 2017), how many times have the Giants picked #1 in that time frame?

My point is this - if things are so bad that we are picking 1, how could you keep Jones? Especially to keep Jones over what is widely considered the best QB since Luck? Keeping Jones under that scenario would be reckless.
RE: Oh, I don't expect us to get the #1 pick.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/12/2020 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15007121 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll of course beat Washington twice because that's what we do &-if Bro/Evan are to believed-the Jets will probably go 0-16.


They were talking about Gase today and a caller had a funny one “don’t sever for Trevor”. I laughed and then I doubly laughed when Bro was like I know but he makes me sick looking at him on the sideline. As bad as the Giants are and have been I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to be a Jets fan at this point.
RE: RE: Oh, I don't expect us to get the #1 pick.  
Matt M. : 10/12/2020 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15007132 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15007121 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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We'll of course beat Washington twice because that's what we do &-if Bro/Evan are to believed-the Jets will probably go 0-16.



They were talking about Gase today and a caller had a funny one “don’t sever for Trevor”. I laughed and then I doubly laughed when Bro was like I know but he makes me sick looking at him on the sideline. As bad as the Giants are and have been I couldn’t imagine what it’s like to be a Jets fan at this point.
In one week Gase potentially ruined the careers of their 2 best players.
Sean, if we're picking #1,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2020 8:17 pm : link
Jones will have had an awful season & you gotta take Lawrence. Personally, I want Lawrence; I think he's that special, but we'll win some meaningless games-aren't they all now?-& end up with the 2nd or 3rd pick. And who knows...Fields?
RE: Sean, if we're picking #1,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2020 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15007136 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Jones will have had an awful season & you gotta take Lawrence. Personally, I want Lawrence; I think he's that special, but we'll win some meaningless games-aren't they all now?-& end up with the 2nd or 3rd pick. And who knows...Fields?


In that scenario, they need to take Penei Sewell and move Thomas to the right side. There’s no reason Jones couldn’t at least replicate what Tannehill is doing given a good o-line and some running game.
I missed something...  
morrison40 : 10/12/2020 8:29 pm : link
Is the draft tomorrow ?
1,000% we take Lawrence if we get the chance.  
Crispino : 10/12/2020 8:35 pm : link
Trade DJ, who becomes a 15 year Pro Bowl player elsewhere while Lawrence busts here. It seems inevitable.
RE: ask me in December  
djm : 10/12/2020 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15006989 Paulie Walnuts said:
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a new GM is not going to hitch his wagon to someone elses QB


This really is it in a nutshell. If the giants are anywhere near the first pick it more than likely means DG is outta here. If he’s outta here. It all but guarantees that jones didn’t show that much here in 2020. And if that is where we’re at, the new GM is likely to go qb l. Especially if the qbs are as good as most believe.

But we aren’t there yet. Not even 1/3 of the way through the season. Can we wait.
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ajr2456 : 10/12/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15006744 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.


How in the world is this team going 6-5 the rest of the way?
So many are on board to ditch Jones?  
exiled : 10/12/2020 10:22 pm : link
Already? Jeez.
Frankly, if the Giants pick first, I’d rather see them trade down and invest in some stud players—really TOP players—at the lines. Build an actual team from the bottom up instead of drafting hotshot skill players. If they can do that, every single other player on the roster improves. *Then* we can assess Jones.

Don’t assume that Lawrence will fare much better on our crappy team.
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giantstock : 10/12/2020 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15006791 GoDeep13 said:
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It would be a mistake to move on from Jones so quickly. . . Trevor Lawrence on this team is still 0-5.



It has nothing to do with "moving on from Jones" but rather getting a potential superstar QB.

IMO the difference between TL and DJ is the super QB in Lawrence is right now quite a bit better than Jones. As a result, the team probably has 2 wins and maybe 3. Along with possibly you wouldn't have seen that crucial blunder DJ made vs San Fran at the end of the half that changed the momentum/flow of the game if that were Lawrence instead.

If the Giants are picking 1st overall  
Breeze_94 : 10/12/2020 11:46 pm : link
they would be morons for passing on TL.

But, there is a lot of season left. The Giants have lost 3 games by one score or less. The Jets on the other hand have not been competitive.

I believe the Jets are more likely to land #1 overall.

That said, if the Giants are in position to take Justin Fields/Trey Lance, they should definitely consider if Jones doesn't show signs of improvement down the stretch.
There’s a cap argument to make as well in this hypo  
glowrider : 10/13/2020 12:14 am : link
Resetting the QB position in the salary cap and recovering two years of mostly waste (assuming that’s how it plays out).

Lots of money available with a rookie qb contract. Very valuable years for a team. If you can purchase that, it’s worth considering on its own.
Seriously, whoever the new GM is when we pick next year would...  
Crispino : 10/13/2020 8:04 am : link
be compelled to pick Lawrence. You can’t pass on the opportunity of having the first pick and being able to take a guy who many consider a generational talent. It would be career suicide if you passed and the guy turns out to be a great player, further plunging this franchise into the bottom rung of the football depths.
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allstarjim : 10/13/2020 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15006744 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.


LOL, that means we'll finish the season 6-5, which is not happening. We have left the Washington Football Team and Eagles twice, the Bucs, Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Browns, Ravens, and Cowboys.

I think we'll split with Washington but it wouldn't suprise me if we lost both, we'll lose to the Eagles at least once, and I believe ALL the other teams beat us easily, yes, even the Dalton-led Cowboys, and even the Bengals.

Sure, we could steal a win from the Bengals, but I don't think this team will win more than 4 games. That's still pretty good with 11 games left, and probably too good to get the first pick. But I think 2-14 is more likely, and that has a good chance to be good enough to get the first pick. It should be noted, however, that the Jets' remaining schedule is probably more difficult than ours.

The Jets have: Patriots twice, the Dolphins twice, then the Bills, Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, and Browns.

They will have to surprise some people, because there aren't playing any bad teams on that schedule except the Dolphins, who played very well on Sunday in blowing out the 49ers.
RE: Danny Dimes  
allstarjim : 10/13/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15006867 Simms said:
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I think its important to give him this season and next.

The excitement he brought to the game when first playing is still there but covered by clouds of 2020 and all that came with it, no preseason, new system etc.

If we were to get the first pick trade down as we still have many other holes.

If we let Jones go and he blossomed say on DallASS, or the Bird, Pats etc. OMG ....

You cannot keep reaching we need a better front office.


The absolute dumbest thing you can possibly do is pass on an elite prospect because of a 'maybe', whose early returns are mixed and really not what you'd hope to be at this point.

You don't pass on Michael Jordan because you already have Danny Ainge. You just don't do that.
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Giant4Life : 10/14/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15006744 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.


You think we're going over .500 for the rest of the year? Not based on anything they've showed so far.
Moot question.  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/14/2020 4:56 pm : link
1-3 teams at least will pick ahead of the Giants this year.

If somehow the Giants land the 1st overall pick, then yes of course.

But they won't. We will be discussing LBs, ERs, and WRs come April 2021.
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Producer : 10/14/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15007706 allstarjim said:
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i'm thinking we finish 6-10. There's no way on earth that's good enough for the #1 pick.



LOL, that means we'll finish the season 6-5, which is not happening. We have left the Washington Football Team and Eagles twice, the Bucs, Bengals, Seahawks, Cardinals, Browns, Ravens, and Cowboys.

I think we'll split with Washington but it wouldn't suprise me if we lost both, we'll lose to the Eagles at least once, and I believe ALL the other teams beat us easily, yes, even the Dalton-led Cowboys, and even the Bengals.

Sure, we could steal a win from the Bengals, but I don't think this team will win more than 4 games. That's still pretty good with 11 games left, and probably too good to get the first pick. But I think 2-14 is more likely, and that has a good chance to be good enough to get the first pick. It should be noted, however, that the Jets' remaining schedule is probably more difficult than ours.

The Jets have: Patriots twice, the Dolphins twice, then the Bills, Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, and Browns.

They will have to surprise some people, because there aren't playing any bad teams on that schedule except the Dolphins, who played very well on Sunday in blowing out the 49ers.


me too I think it's 2 wins. I don't know how anybody sees 6 wins.
Assuming we get the #1 pick  
colin : 10/14/2020 5:10 pm : link
Yes. The fact there’s even a discussion is insane to me. You don’t pass on Peyton Manning for Alex Smith. Period.
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.McL. : 10/14/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15007030 bw in dc said:
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You watched Miami and something was off with him? Clemson played the #7 team in the country and went 29-42 for 292 yards with 3 td passes and 0 int. On the season he is 84-116 for 1140 yards with 10 TD passes in 4 games and 0 int's. He also has 4 rushing td's. And his stat line would probably be even better but he has the best RB in the country, Travis Etienne.

If that indicates something "off", I want some of that. Wow. No one is a sure bet to succeed in the NFL but he is so much better than any other prospect it is ridiculous.



I get the stats. They should be exceptional with the talent base Lawrence plays with. That doesn't mean Lawrence may not be throwing with the same velocity as years prior. And that maybe his footwork has slipped...

Look, he's the top prospect. But I think further scrutiny is always wise.

It's an odd season with COVID and all.
Some of these technical issues maybe lack of time for proper coaching and practice. Not sure how much I would read into minor issues this year.
And before somebody screams that I am giving the benefit of the doubt to TL, and not to DJ because of the COVID crap... TL is still playing at a high level, and he has earned the benefit of the doubt. DJ isn't, and hasn't.
Mentioned this earlier but shouldn’t the discussion on TL  
LBH15 : 10/14/2020 7:08 pm : link
be mostly about his performances against top teams? And with all due respect to a ACC fans, I am mostly interested in his playoff games last season. He clearly rolled over Alabama two years ago but that wasn’t the case last January vs Ohio St and LSU.

Not suggesting there is a better prospect as of yet or that it’s not unreasonable for him to have “lesser” games vs better competition. But that really needs to be the measuring stick if Giants have to throw him to the wolves with our crappy roster.

No?
RE: Mentioned this earlier but shouldn’t the discussion on TL  
giantstock : 10/15/2020 2:03 am : link
In comment 15009144 LBH15 said:
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be mostly about his performances against top teams? And with all due respect to a ACC fans, I am mostly interested in his playoff games last season. He clearly rolled over Alabama two years ago but that wasn’t the case last January vs Ohio St and LSU.

Not suggesting there is a better prospect as of yet or that it’s not unreasonable for him to have “lesser” games vs better competition. But that really needs to be the measuring stick if Giants have to throw him to the wolves with our crappy roster.

No?


I don't agree. I thought he was darn good vs Ohio State. Similar to Eli vs San Fran. Showed incredible toughness. Passed for 259 and ran for 106 vs an extremely tough defense-- I think he showed extreme metal. Because of this game and the Alabama game - he is someone you got to choose if you have the chance.
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