Currently we have the #1 pick. Do we draft Lawrence or see if we can get a Kings ransom for the pick. Either way I hope someone besides Gettleman gets to make this decision
Don’t watch college football. How is Lawrence under pressure and is running for his life. That is what he will have to deal with playing on the Giants.
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
Lawrence is a generational talent and you absolutely take him with the #1 pick if the Giants get it. If people are so high on DJ then they can trade for him and at least you can re-coup some of the loss.
I wonder if Lawrence will pull an Elway/Eli to avoid the Jets
or just stay at Clemson like Peyton Manning did once upon a time. The Jets are noticeably worse than the Giants, and we're bottom of the barrel.
That's a possibility. I think when you're the consensus #1, especially after this CFB season, and all the uncertainty going forward, I think you have to declare.
And absolutely Lawrence will turn this franchise into a playoff contender, probably be year 2.
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
You know, if Rivers retires, a team like the Colts could send us a premium pick, perhaps even a #1, to get Daniel Jones. They are a win-now team and teams will consider, when evaluating Jones, the protection he's gotten as well as the lack of weapons.
Not only does he have the arm talent and the brain, but he's a dog, and will do everything he can to beat you and then tell you all about it. Exactly the kind of quarterback you hate on your rival but you love on your team.
Lawrence LOOKS to be superior to DJ. If you asked me who I prefer, I won't even blink and say Lawrence. I have watched nearly every game of his career and he is impressive. Best overall package I have seen in years. Good points made that our rebuild will likely take at least 1/2 of either QB's career. The only way I would take Lawrence is if we could get some decently high draft picks for DJ.This might be another Rosen scenario and at least at the QB position it looks like it is working out for the Cardinals. The alternative would be a trade down for a bundle of high picks. Depends how deep this draft is.
Mara needs to make sure Gettleman is not anywhere near this pick, because if he is, he will stay at #1, not take Lawerence and make a bad pick.
However, I agree with the consensus, there is not a game on the Jets schedule that they will win, while the Giants could win any NFC East game the rest of the year or they will be 0-15 going into the last Dallas game and win that one.
This might not be the popular opinion but Trade the pick away for a boatload of picks.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
then Jones' play the rest of the way, along with the OL will dictate the move here. IF Jones plays well, cuts down drastically on turnovers, but we lose despite his good play, then you can plan on moving forward with him. Likewise, if the OL improves and we get to see good things from Lemieux and Peart, that moves OL down the list of needs.
Either way, I would only pick Lawrence. I would not reach with #1 for anyone else. So, for me, it's Lawrence or trade down for a haul of picks.
This might not be the popular opinion but Trade the pick away for a boatload of picks.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.
The Cowboys got fat off the draft picks they got from Minnesota for Herschel Walker, but the Rams didn't do much with the picks they got for Eric Dickerson. If you hit on the draft picks, it's a boon. If not, it's a bust.
It would be a mistake to move on from Jones so quickly. There isn’t one team with a worse collection of skill position players and a worse offensive line. Trevor Lawrence on this team is still 0-5.
Right now my 1st round targets would be
1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
There is no way the Giants FO is going to give up on Jones and Draft another QB. If in fact we get the #1 Pick and I doubt we do but just for shits and giggles we do, they will more than likely trade it away for a boat load of draft picks this year and next year. Jone has his problems but you cant expect ANY QB to be able to function when he is running for his life has 2 OK receivers and I say that being nice. What do you expect he is going to do
He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
Lawrence is probably the best QB to come out of college since Peyton Manning.
every year we hear about "the best since..." and rarely does it ever actually come to fruition. They said it about Darnold when he was a freshman, they said it about Tua as well. Now, it is Lawrence, who certainly, absolutely, looks the part of a #1 overall great QB prospect.
But, his NFL projection isn't going to be clear until he steps on the field.
Surtain is high on my list as well, he seems to be a better prospect than Okudah, and highly thought of in the recent history of Alabama DBs.
If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.
Surtain is high on my list as well, he seems to be a better prospect than Okudah, and highly thought of in the recent history of Alabama DBs.
If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.
Yep. Surtain II gives me Patrick Peterson vibes. I think he’ll be a VERY good CB in the NFL. He already has great route recognition and knows how to read route combinations. My biggest questions with him come down to athletic numbers. If he can run in the 4.4s he’s an absolute lock.
RE: How many Lawrence threads do we need each week?
I think its important to give him this season and next.
The excitement he brought to the game when first playing is still there but covered by clouds of 2020 and all that came with it, no preseason, new system etc.
If we were to get the first pick trade down as we still have many other holes.
If we let Jones go and he blossomed say on DallASS, or the Bird, Pats etc. OMG ....
You cannot keep reaching we need a better front office.
I thought Lawrence was the best QB prospect in the country as a freshman. I felt mostly the same last year.
Today, I'm just a little less certain. I'm probably over-analyzing it but I don't think Lawrence is throwing with the same zip as before. And his ball is floating more with certain throws.
I can't really prove it, but I think the RPO systems he's been running under both Jeff Scott and now Tony Elliott have impacted his footwork and delivery.
The season is still young, so maybe more content to watch will restore my opinions from the last two years...
i'd bet anything on that. I think they go all in on Judge and his vision, and will hire a GM to compliment that. Whether that's Abrams or someone else I don't know, but I'm certain it won't be DG.
But there is a lot to consider in this overall crappy roster and what a decent GM could do by trading that pick.
And Lawrence needs to show better against top competition this season given the opportunity. As great as his play was against 'Bama two years, he was not nearly as impressive versus Ohio St and LSU last January.
It would be a mistake to move on from Jones so quickly. There isn’t one team with a worse collection of skill position players and a worse offensive line. Trevor Lawrence on this team is still 0-5.
Right now my 1st round targets would be
1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
I disagree. Not certain Lawrence makes those costly turnovers that cost us 2 games.
are in position to draft a QB whether Lawrence or somebody else and they Judge thinks it is a clear upgrade then you go for it imo.
Jones has the rest of the year to make his case and Judge is evaluating. It would be great if he thinks he can win with him. Yesterday the end of the game showed again the Giants need closers at two spots. Edge and WR. Edge guys are really hard to get later in the draft.
If we are picking first, Jones proved he’s not good enough. Also, he’d be entering year #3 of his rookie contract with no progress made in terms of wins.
I'll echo bw above; there's something that looked a little off with him compared to past performance. That said, he's as good a talent as you're gonna get at the position coming out of college.
If the Giants have the first pick they must take Lawrence. They absolutely must.
Lawrence is a generational talent and you absolutely take him with the #1 pick if the Giants get it. If people are so high on DJ then they can trade for him and at least you can re-coup some of the loss.
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That's a possibility. I think when you're the consensus #1, especially after this CFB season, and all the uncertainty going forward, I think you have to declare.
And absolutely Lawrence will turn this franchise into a playoff contender, probably be year 2.
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
I would even take Justin Fields at #2 if he is there.
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
You know, if Rivers retires, a team like the Colts could send us a premium pick, perhaps even a #1, to get Daniel Jones. They are a win-now team and teams will consider, when evaluating Jones, the protection he's gotten as well as the lack of weapons.
However, I agree with the consensus, there is not a game on the Jets schedule that they will win, while the Giants could win any NFC East game the rest of the year or they will be 0-15 going into the last Dallas game and win that one.
He might be a great QB at the NFL level, he might not be.
Given the Giants history, the Oregon OL makes more sense particularly if Gates and/or Zeigler continue to struggle.
I'll add Patrick Surtain II in right before Chase.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
Either way, I would only pick Lawrence. I would not reach with #1 for anyone else. So, for me, it's Lawrence or trade down for a haul of picks.
With multiple teams in the top 5 in need of a QB you can go for the highest bidder.
Which in this case could be multiple 1st and 2nds
Giants have holes in multiple positions and I still believe in Jones.
The Cowboys got fat off the draft picks they got from Minnesota for Herschel Walker, but the Rams didn't do much with the picks they got for Eric Dickerson. If you hit on the draft picks, it's a boon. If not, it's a bust.
Right now my 1st round targets would be
1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
It is ALWAYS a crapshoot and depends on your scouts and draft room personnel.
I agree, if not Lawrence, you trade down for multiple top picks.
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He isnt the pick because if he is the Giants have failed miserably and we will have another 5 years of losing. Why would any Giant Fan route for this team to fail. Even if we do get the #1 pick it wont be Lawrence Jones would really have to be SHIT for that to happen
If we get the #1 pick it doesn't mean Jones is "SHIT" as you stated, but it's a pretty strong indicator that he's not destined for greatness. In that case, you move on from the mistake of picking Jones and select Lawrence #1 overall.
There is no way the Giants FO is going to give up on Jones and Draft another QB. If in fact we get the #1 Pick and I doubt we do but just for shits and giggles we do, they will more than likely trade it away for a boat load of draft picks this year and next year. Jone has his problems but you cant expect ANY QB to be able to function when he is running for his life has 2 OK receivers and I say that being nice. What do you expect he is going to do
Lawrence is probably the best QB to come out of college since Peyton Manning.
But, his NFL projection isn't going to be clear until he steps on the field.
If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.
If NYG thinks that the investments along the OL from 2020 are adequate and we can add a piece in FA, and the edge player doesn't meet the grade, Surtain would be a no brainer top 10 pick.
Yep. Surtain II gives me Patrick Peterson vibes. I think he’ll be a VERY good CB in the NFL. He already has great route recognition and knows how to read route combinations. My biggest questions with him come down to athletic numbers. If he can run in the 4.4s he’s an absolute lock.
you can also say this about Jones sucks threads, Thomas is a bust threads, Mara is a moron, ditto Gettleman...............
The excitement he brought to the game when first playing is still there but covered by clouds of 2020 and all that came with it, no preseason, new system etc.
If we were to get the first pick trade down as we still have many other holes.
If we let Jones go and he blossomed say on DallASS, or the Bird, Pats etc. OMG ....
You cannot keep reaching we need a better front office.
Today, I'm just a little less certain. I'm probably over-analyzing it but I don't think Lawrence is throwing with the same zip as before. And his ball is floating more with certain throws.
I can't really prove it, but I think the RPO systems he's been running under both Jeff Scott and now Tony Elliott have impacted his footwork and delivery.
The season is still young, so maybe more content to watch will restore my opinions from the last two years...
Emphatically yes.
Speaking of not being on earth.
And Lawrence needs to show better against top competition this season given the opportunity. As great as his play was against 'Bama two years, he was not nearly as impressive versus Ohio St and LSU last January.
My money is on Lawrence wearing green on draft day.
Right now my 1st round targets would be
1. Trade down
2. Penei Sewell
3. Patrick Surtain II
Jones has the rest of the year to make his case and Judge is evaluating. It would be great if he thinks he can win with him. Yesterday the end of the game showed again the Giants need closers at two spots. Edge and WR. Edge guys are really hard to get later in the draft.
If the Giants have the first pick they must take Lawrence. They absolutely must.