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Gettleman/Abrams and the trade deadline

Sean : 10/12/2020 2:50 pm
The Giants are in a tricky spot right now with regards to the looming, 10/29 trade deadline. It’s widely thought that Gettleman is a lame duck GM here, whether he’s let go or retires, I think most feel he will not be here next season.

I’m of the belief that Abrams has been groomed to be the next GM. He has been involved in the interview process with the 2018 and 2020 head coach search. He also has had an increased media responsibility the last year or so. I feel part of the reason Gettleman was retained was in hopes of a better season where they could transition to Abrams. The optics didn’t allow that after 2019.

For as much as Mara likely wants to give Abrams the GM title, he can’t. The results simply aren’t good enough. The more I think about it, the more I think Gettleman was hired with the condition that Abrams was GM in waiting. It aligns with the history of the franchise since George Young to think the Giants wanted to eventually hand over GM duties to Abrams.

This leads to the trade deadline. Should Gettleman have the authority to sell off assets or potentially trade off draft picks for players? He sold off Apple & Snacks in 2018 and made the polarizing Williams trade last year.

The three likely options here leading up to the deadline:

1. Gettleman has full authority to make any moves as he sees fit.

2. Gettleman is restricted in what he can do and we see a quiet trade deadline.

3. Unlikely, but Gettleman is let go in the coming ten or so days and Abrams handles any trades prior to the deadline.

The reason I mention this, it is important for the Giants to try to add more draft picks. With only 6 picks in 2021, that is simply not enough. Any player who can fetch something decent, should be moved. Yet, who do we have to handle those tough decisions?
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RE: I'm starting to think  
LBH15 : 10/12/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15006820 dpassen1 said:
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman


Does Gettleman know how to use an on-line device?
RE: RE: First Off  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15006823 Mike from Ohio said:
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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.



Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?


Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest
RE: I'm starting to think  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15006820 dpassen1 said:
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman


Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see
RE: RE: RE: First Off  
Mike from Ohio : 10/12/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15006832 couchcoach100 said:
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In comment 15006680 couchcoach100 said:


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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.



Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?



Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest


Ummmm...so you are just making stuff up then? Got it.

Thanks
RE: RE: RE: RE: First Off  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15006843 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15006823 Mike from Ohio said:


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In comment 15006680 couchcoach100 said:


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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.



Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?



Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest



Ummmm...so you are just making stuff up then? Got it.

Thanks


WOW Really I disagree with you and I give a solid reason why I disagree and Now Im making stuff up Really WOW I dont know what to say to that. I could care less what you think Im just trying to explain what is going on because It may make you feel better abiut this team and give you something to look forward too is=nstead of just spewing FIRE EVERYONE and CUT ALL THE PLAYERS. You dont have to listen to me because I could care less if you do or not , but please dont ever tell em Im makeing stuff up, that just a nice way to call me a lier and that sir I am not
RE: RE: I'm starting to think  
Jersey Heel : 10/12/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15006839 couchcoach100 said:
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman



Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see

Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!
RE: RE: RE: I'm starting to think  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15006863 Jersey Heel said:
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In comment 15006839 couchcoach100 said:


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In comment 15006820 dpassen1 said:


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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman



Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see


Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!


Apparently you cant read and or comprehend. Who said Listen to Gettleman?? Not me I did say LISTEN TO JUDGE I cnat understand where Listen to Gettleman came from though????????? Hell when was the last time Gettleman said anything????????
RE: RE: RE: I'm starting to think  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15006863 Jersey Heel said:
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In comment 15006820 dpassen1 said:


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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman



Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see


Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!


Also here is a Perfect example of someone what HEARS what he Wants to HEAR but doesnt LISTEN at all
Coachcoach  
Mike from Ohio : 10/12/2020 4:47 pm : link
You did not give ANY solid reasons for anything you said. "don't just listen, but HEAR Joe Judge" is not a solid reason why Judge is now defacto running the entire Giants organization.

You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.
If I were GM  
JonC : 10/12/2020 4:49 pm : link
I'd be in sell mode, any player would be available.

But, I expect NYG to double down on Jones and the rest of the assembled talent moving forward.
RE: Coachcoach  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15006875 Mike from Ohio said:
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You did not give ANY solid reasons for anything you said. "don't just listen, but HEAR Joe Judge" is not a solid reason why Judge is now defacto running the entire Giants organization.

You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.


I never said that I said LISTEN TO JUDGE not hear him But Listen to him.

Ok read this ist a story

There was this guy in a beat up old pick up truck driving down the road and he saw a bunch of exotic animals running around and a cop

He pulled over ran over to the cop and asked if he could help

The cop said YES could you please take the Penguines to the Zoo?

The man said of course I can and off he goes with the penguines.

The next day the same man is driving down the same road and passes the same cop but has 2 penguines in the back of his pickup truck, This day the penguines have a beach pail and shovel sun glasses on and sun screen with them.

The cop pulls him over and the man say hi officer I know you and the cop was mad and said to the guy I thought I told you to take those penguines to the zoo yesterday.

The man says I did officer and today Im taking them to the beach.

That is the difference between LISTENING and HEARING. LISTE N to what JUDGE is saying and you will know everything that he is doing
Not sure this answers the question posed...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2020 4:54 pm : link
but here is my guess what's going on...

With such a brutally bad division, Mara sees the division within reach. So he's probably thinking that if we can just scratch together six wins we have a great chance. Especially with Dak out in Dallas, musical chairs with the QB in Washington and Philly decimated with issues on both sides of the ball.

So he's allowing DG to use his full power to find a way to make this team competitive for NOW. And we'll deal with the future another day.

I hate the approach because we need to be sellers ONLY. But Mara has demonstrated his doesn't see the future as clearly as he should and will allow Dave another chance to get this right in the short term.

Unfortunately...
They have a core to build on  
bc4life : 10/12/2020 4:56 pm : link
so I wouldn't want to sell every player. Some possibilities: Engram, Tomlinson, Shepard, Zeitler, Beal, Peppers.

I would put it in Judge's hands  
Go Terps : 10/12/2020 5:00 pm : link
John Mara should meet with Judge alone and ask him who he wants and who he doesn't in 2021.

Start with Jones. Is he what you want at QB? No? Fine...ship him for a third rounder.

Every single player on this roster is a sunk cost, including the '20 draft picks.

The rebuild has not yet begun. They're still tearing down.
The giants are in trouble because we don't have one player right  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/12/2020 5:02 pm : link
now albeit healthy that can even fetch a 5th round pick let alone a 3rd. We are devoid of talent now and have no more value to trade
Picks  
TyreeHelmet : 10/12/2020 5:06 pm : link
I'm sure teams are banging down Gettleman's door with high draft picks to get some players off this roster....

In all seriousness- what players could actually help contending teams? Bradberry, Martinez and the DTs are the only realistic ones. But what are you getting for them?
RE: If I were GM  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2020 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15006880 JonC said:
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I'd be in sell mode, any player would be available.

But, I expect NYG to double down on Jones and the rest of the assembled talent moving forward.
Me too...I would trade A N Y O N E. Barkley, Jones Lawrence....anyone. I was high on Jones because of some plus traits but the turnovers are VERY hard to ignore. It is met with harsh criticism here but I would tank for Lawrence. Don't miss on a top 3 pick by beating a Washington late in the year again. KMN if that happens.
RE: I would put it in Judge's hands  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15006898 Go Terps said:
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John Mara should meet with Judge alone and ask him who he wants and who he doesn't in 2021.

Start with Jones. Is he what you want at QB? No? Fine...ship him for a third rounder.

Every single player on this roster is a sunk cost, including the '20 draft picks.

The rebuild has not yet begun. They're still tearing down.
could not possibly agree more.
Lawrence might fetch something significant  
Go Terps : 10/12/2020 5:10 pm : link
Slayton too. It would pain me to deal two of the only players worth watching but being on the Giants isn't doing them any favors.

Jones lowers his trade value by the game, but he might fetch a third rounder from a team that thinks they can rehab his issues.

This is what happens when you draft as poorly as the Giants have these last three years.
NYG 2020 Gameplan...hot off the presses!  
LBH15 : 10/12/2020 5:13 pm : link


Sell?  
fkap : 10/12/2020 5:14 pm : link
Sell who? and why?

We have a lot of players worthy of getting rid of, but few worthy of purchasing.

Engram might fetch something, but probably not.

For a decent price, I'd trade Barkley. We'll not get the value of a #2 pick, but it is obvious that by the time the team is ready to fully appreciate a top RB, he'll be on the downside of his career and not a top RB. The problem is that someone would have to trade for him, and watch him sit on IR, then pray that he comes back as good as new.

the tear down phase of rebuild is about complete. It is time to start building.
Who's to say  
crick n NC : 10/12/2020 5:14 pm : link
Judge wants to be sell mode? Maybe he's still evaluating the roster.
RE: Lawrence might fetch something significant  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15006920 Go Terps said:
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Slayton too. It would pain me to deal two of the only players worth watching but being on the Giants isn't doing them any favors.

Jones lowers his trade value by the game, but he might fetch a third rounder from a team that thinks they can rehab his issues.

This is what happens when you draft as poorly as the Giants have these last three years.
None of this is hyperbole.

At 17-3 I turned to my wife and said to her,

"When the Giants lose this game, remind me that I knew they were going to lose before they started the game because they are devoid of talent. I am going to be upset when they blow this game. Remind that it is not worth it because I knew it would happen"

That is where I am as a loyal fan from 1975.
Giants are NEVER going to sign both  
M.S. : 10/12/2020 5:16 pm : link

Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to long term contracts.

One of them absolutely needs to go by the deadline.

We should be able to get a least a 4th Rounder. Maybe a very low 3rd.
RE: Giants are NEVER going to sign both  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15006930 M.S. said:
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Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to long term contracts.

One of them absolutely needs to go by the deadline.

We should be able to get a least a 4th Rounder. Maybe a very low 3rd.
What can we trade them vs what we might get in a comp pick.
RE: RE: Giants are NEVER going to sign both  
M.S. : 10/12/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15006932 Thegratefulhead said:
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Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to long term contracts.

One of them absolutely needs to go by the deadline.

We should be able to get a least a 4th Rounder. Maybe a very low 3rd.

What can we trade them vs what we might get in a comp pick.

Good point. But maybe a bird in hand (a known draft pick) is better than two in the bush (what the NFL assigns us.)
I can't  
jtfuoco : 10/12/2020 5:45 pm : link
Believe we have not seen success on the field this year considering DG hired 4 computer guys this off-season. However if it's true that Judge is just looking improvements then the organization should just hand over GM duties to him and give him his 3 years to turn this around this being year 1. With the draft and FA he should be able to get this team back to 8-8 in that time if not move on to the next Front office
...  
christian : 10/12/2020 6:02 pm : link
My view on comps has changed a little because of the performance of Ryan and Frackrell. I'd wager the UFAs the Giants have who will play into the formula are: Williams, Tomlinson, Frackrell, Ryan, Golden, Fleming, Gano, and Freeman.

I can see the Giants retaining one of Williams/Tomlinson, one of Golden/Frackrell, Freeman, and Gano.

My guess is the Giants lose Ryan, Williams, Golden, Fleming. It then becomes a question of whether the Giants sign UFAs from other teams that negate the loss.

Short story, although I don't think the Giants will be big winners in the comp game, I do think they will get something.
RE: Coachcoach  
couchcoach100 : 10/12/2020 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15006875 Mike from Ohio said:
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You did not give ANY solid reasons for anything you said. "don't just listen, but HEAR Joe Judge" is not a solid reason why Judge is now defacto running the entire Giants organization.

You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.


If you had taken the time to read what i wrote you woild know I stated that since day 1 of his hiring and his 1 presser JUDGE has stated that he is instrumenting a plan that would change the Giants into a Regular Winning contending for championships yearly. This season is NOT about wins and losses but about Progress and and improvement, dont ask me about wins and losses because it is not going to be qan overnight fix Win will come as this team and organization improves so wins and losses are irrelevant.

He says this in almost every presser he has. His plan is for the LONG TERM not NOW and it is going to take time to fully implement. I dont know how else to put this that you dont understand
RE: RE: Coachcoach  
Jersey Heel : 10/12/2020 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15007020 couchcoach100 said:
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In comment 15006875 Mike from Ohio said:


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You did not give ANY solid reasons for anything you said. "don't just listen, but HEAR Joe Judge" is not a solid reason why Judge is now defacto running the entire Giants organization.

You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.



If you had taken the time to read what i wrote you woild know I stated that since day 1 of his hiring and his 1 presser JUDGE has stated that he is instrumenting a plan that would change the Giants into a Regular Winning contending for championships yearly. This season is NOT about wins and losses but about Progress and and improvement, dont ask me about wins and losses because it is not going to be qan overnight fix Win will come as this team and organization improves so wins and losses are irrelevant.

He says this in almost every presser he has. His plan is for the LONG TERM not NOW and it is going to take time to fully implement. I dont know how else to put this that you dont understand

I’d say that too if I weren’t winning games. What coach would say anything different? I LISTEN to Judge and I HEAR the same excuses that have been getting peddled for the last three years. Patience, guys. Rome wasn’t built in a day. We almost won that game. Progress. Maybe next season we’ll tie them.
RE: RE: RE: Giants are NEVER going to sign both  
Dankbeerman : 10/12/2020 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15006938 M.S. said:
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Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to long term contracts.

One of them absolutely needs to go by the deadline.

We should be able to get a least a 4th Rounder. Maybe a very low 3rd.

What can we trade them vs what we might get in a comp pick.


Good point. But maybe a bird in hand (a known draft pick) is better than two in the bush (what the NFL assigns us.)


Rather take a 4th now then get screwed out of comp pick later. no guarentees
RE: ...  
FStubbs : 10/12/2020 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15006997 christian said:
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My view on comps has changed a little because of the performance of Ryan and Frackrell. I'd wager the UFAs the Giants have who will play into the formula are: Williams, Tomlinson, Frackrell, Ryan, Golden, Fleming, Gano, and Freeman.

I can see the Giants retaining one of Williams/Tomlinson, one of Golden/Frackrell, Freeman, and Gano.

My guess is the Giants lose Ryan, Williams, Golden, Fleming. It then becomes a question of whether the Giants sign UFAs from other teams that negate the loss.

Short story, although I don't think the Giants will be big winners in the comp game, I do think they will get something.


Then, since this team is going nowhere, trade them for whatever you can get. 6th round pick? Sold. Get something for them, anything.
RE: RE: RE: Coachcoach  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15007025 Jersey Heel said:
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You did not give ANY solid reasons for anything you said. "don't just listen, but HEAR Joe Judge" is not a solid reason why Judge is now defacto running the entire Giants organization.

You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.



If you had taken the time to read what i wrote you woild know I stated that since day 1 of his hiring and his 1 presser JUDGE has stated that he is instrumenting a plan that would change the Giants into a Regular Winning contending for championships yearly. This season is NOT about wins and losses but about Progress and and improvement, dont ask me about wins and losses because it is not going to be qan overnight fix Win will come as this team and organization improves so wins and losses are irrelevant.

He says this in almost every presser he has. His plan is for the LONG TERM not NOW and it is going to take time to fully implement. I dont know how else to put this that you dont understand


I’d say that too if I weren’t winning games. What coach would say anything different? I LISTEN to Judge and I HEAR the same excuses that have been getting peddled for the last three years. Patience, guys. Rome wasn’t built in a day. We almost won that game. Progress. Maybe next season we’ll tie them.
Again READ what I have posted his first ever Introduction Presser states WINS AND LOSSES MEAN NOTHING, PROGRESS AND IMPROVEMENT IS WHAT HE IS LOOKING FOR. Wins will come as this team improves. I will tell you what read todays Article in the NY Post instead of listening TO me --- It says the exact same thing about Judges Plan and that wins and losses are basically irrelevant at this time and PROGRESS AND IMPROVEMENT is everything. Read that instead of discrediting me. Or accusing me of lying or makeing shit up. To be honest Im not smart enough to make that up. Im just saying what Judge has said since he was Hired and said in his 1st Press conference before he even practiced. And has stated in every Presser since day 1. Apparently the press cant seem to hear what Judge has said about winning and losing either, so dont feel bad
I don't care about W&L this year at all  
Thegratefulhead : 10/13/2020 1:14 pm : link
I care about seeing if the OL gets better. I am willing to wait until the end of the year. The first games could not have been worse. They are also the least meaningful. Game 1 into the second quarter of the season was not good.

I need to see DJ not turn the ball over. He has to show he can protect the football. If he can't, he is bust folks and everything that entails for a franchise when it is a 1st round QB bust.

That is how low my bar is. DJ and AT have to give me hope they are not going to be busts.

I have been watching football with a religious passion since 1975.

I am scared.
RE: I don't care about W&L this year at all  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15007800 Thegratefulhead said:
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I care about seeing if the OL gets better. I am willing to wait until the end of the year. The first games could not have been worse. They are also the least meaningful. Game 1 into the second quarter of the season was not good.

I need to see DJ not turn the ball over. He has to show he can protect the football. If he can't, he is bust folks and everything that entails for a franchise when it is a 1st round QB bust.

That is how low my bar is. DJ and AT have to give me hope they are not going to be busts.

I have been watching football with a religious passion since 1975.

I am scared.


WOW this post is very good and I agree with it. Just a question though. have you or have you not seen an improvement each week since the Games Started? I have seen a lot of improvements myself. As far as the O-line goes, I dont care which team it is it takes time for any O-line to gel and play as a unit. Thest guys have 5 games together and I have seen an improvement from day 1. Just the fact that this team was able to run the ball on Sunday was a huge improvement. The pass protection has also improved immensely, we have a rookie LT that has had no Preseason games and is actually playing the position that he was supposed to be groomed to play. Not thrown in there on day 1 as the LT. He was supposed to start at RT and then moved when ready to LT. I am actually shocked That Thomas's performance isnt worse. He has been up against 5 of the best pass rushers in the league. Has he excelled NO, he he looked bad YES, but You can see as the games progressed he git better. This is a good thing, because he is literally learnin by tHE TRIAL BY FORE METHOD, and his learning has been put on thr fast lane.

Hopefully he doesnt lose confidence, which happens to a lot of players thrown to the wolves right off the bat. Im happy with his progress thus far. By next season he will look like a different player if he doesnt get discouraged and lose confidence
RE: RE: I don't care about W&L this year at all  
Thegratefulhead : 10/13/2020 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15007840 couchcoach100 said:
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I care about seeing if the OL gets better. I am willing to wait until the end of the year. The first games could not have been worse. They are also the least meaningful. Game 1 into the second quarter of the season was not good.

I need to see DJ not turn the ball over. He has to show he can protect the football. If he can't, he is bust folks and everything that entails for a franchise when it is a 1st round QB bust.

That is how low my bar is. DJ and AT have to give me hope they are not going to be busts.

I have been watching football with a religious passion since 1975.

I am scared.



WOW this post is very good and I agree with it. Just a question though. have you or have you not seen an improvement each week since the Games Started? I have seen a lot of improvements myself. As far as the O-line goes, I dont care which team it is it takes time for any O-line to gel and play as a unit. Thest guys have 5 games together and I have seen an improvement from day 1. Just the fact that this team was able to run the ball on Sunday was a huge improvement. The pass protection has also improved immensely, we have a rookie LT that has had no Preseason games and is actually playing the position that he was supposed to be groomed to play. Not thrown in there on day 1 as the LT. He was supposed to start at RT and then moved when ready to LT. I am actually shocked That Thomas's performance isnt worse. He has been up against 5 of the best pass rushers in the league. Has he excelled NO, he he looked bad YES, but You can see as the games progressed he git better. This is a good thing, because he is literally learnin by tHE TRIAL BY FORE METHOD, and his learning has been put on thr fast lane.

Hopefully he doesnt lose confidence, which happens to a lot of players thrown to the wolves right off the bat. Im happy with his progress thus far. By next season he will look like a different player if he doesnt get discouraged and lose confidence
Gates...I think he might be a diamond. Thomas is too slow for the speed outside. I am hoping that when the game slows down for him, he can anticipate and improve. Right now, he looks a speed rusher's wet dream. That is a problem. DJ spent hte entire offseason on body, making it stronger and drills to improve his ball security. I have not seen improvement there. I have been a DJ guy. He has some plus traits including accuracy that I put double weight on in today's NFL but if he can't feel the rush he will always turn the ball over.

I will keep hoping it changes until the end of the year. DJ is on the clock. If he can't make some magic and win a game, we will draft Lawrence. I would trade anyone on this team for picks at the deadline...Anyone.
I hope people realize that Abrams is “in charge of trades”  
NoGainDayne : 10/13/2020 1:53 pm : link
already. So a guy supposedly specializing in resource allocation decided the LW trade was a good idea. Just something else to toss into any Abrams optimism.

Spare me the relentless Joe Judge optimism too. There are things to like for sure but everyone got a chance to see Andrew Thomas and the other tackles on film and as of now (again jury is out on this too) it looks like we made changes but not enough to cover up our serious flaws.

Judge could be the start of something good but even the idea that he knows how to build an organization around him is a huge leap at this point. Would I trust him more than anyone else in the building? Certainly. But that isn’t saying much
RE: Lawrence might fetch something significant  
santacruzom : 10/13/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15006920 Go Terps said:
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Slayton too. It would pain me to deal two of the only players worth watching but being on the Giants isn't doing them any favors.


Argh. You probably aren't wrong, but I'd hate to lose Slayton. Not only just because of his potential at a position of need, but also because he's a great team guy with the perfect attitude.
RE: I hope people realize that Abrams is “in charge of trades”  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15007868 NoGainDayne said:
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already. So a guy supposedly specializing in resource allocation decided the LW trade was a good idea. Just something else to toss into any Abrams optimism.

Spare me the relentless Joe Judge optimism too. There are things to like for sure but everyone got a chance to see Andrew Thomas and the other tackles on film and as of now (again jury is out on this too) it looks like we made changes but not enough to cover up our serious flaws.

Judge could be the start of something good but even the idea that he knows how to build an organization around him is a huge leap at this point. Would I trust him more than anyone else in the building? Certainly. But that isn’t saying much


WIll you please post a link where it says Abrahms is in charge of trades already? I have not seen written nor do I know of anyone that has stated this. So where is this coming from? Or is this just some made up wishful thinking because no where in the Press or from anyone affiliated with the NY Giants FO has anything come out on this huge decision.
Asshat info  
NoGainDayne : 10/13/2020 2:03 pm : link
take it or leave it
RE: RE: RE: I don't care about W&L this year at all  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 2:08 pm : link
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I care about seeing if the OL gets better. I am willing to wait until the end of the year. The first games could not have been worse. They are also the least meaningful. Game 1 into the second quarter of the season was not good.

I need to see DJ not turn the ball over. He has to show he can protect the football. If he can't, he is bust folks and everything that entails for a franchise when it is a 1st round QB bust.

That is how low my bar is. DJ and AT have to give me hope they are not going to be busts.

I have been watching football with a religious passion since 1975.

I am scared.



WOW this post is very good and I agree with it. Just a question though. have you or have you not seen an improvement each week since the Games Started? I have seen a lot of improvements myself. As far as the O-line goes, I dont care which team it is it takes time for any O-line to gel and play as a unit. Thest guys have 5 games together and I have seen an improvement from day 1. Just the fact that this team was able to run the ball on Sunday was a huge improvement. The pass protection has also improved immensely, we have a rookie LT that has had no Preseason games and is actually playing the position that he was supposed to be groomed to play. Not thrown in there on day 1 as the LT. He was supposed to start at RT and then moved when ready to LT. I am actually shocked That Thomas's performance isnt worse. He has been up against 5 of the best pass rushers in the league. Has he excelled NO, he he looked bad YES, but You can see as the games progressed he git better. This is a good thing, because he is literally learnin by tHE TRIAL BY FORE METHOD, and his learning has been put on thr fast lane.

Hopefully he doesnt lose confidence, which happens to a lot of players thrown to the wolves right off the bat. Im happy with his progress thus far. By next season he will look like a different player if he doesnt get discouraged and lose confidence

Gates...I think he might be a diamond. Thomas is too slow for the speed outside. I am hoping that when the game slows down for him, he can anticipate and improve. Right now, he looks a speed rusher's wet dream. That is a problem. DJ spent hte entire offseason on body, making it stronger and drills to improve his ball security. I have not seen improvement there. I have been a DJ guy. He has some plus traits including accuracy that I put double weight on in today's NFL but if he can't feel the rush he will always turn the ball over.

I will keep hoping it changes until the end of the year. DJ is on the clock. If he can't make some magic and win a game, we will draft Lawrence. I would trade anyone on this team for picks at the deadline...Anyone.


I agree with Gates. I was very intrigued with him being moved to center. I wasnt doubtful in his ability to play the position, my question on him was calling out the protections and being able to do that with the consistency that would be needed.

Thomas is going to be fine, you cant expect a rookie playing LT with no real NFL Experience to play at a high level. He is basically in a normal season on his 2nd game in the NFL. His preseason was not normal, he had no roookie camp, no real meetings for a learning standpoint and no pre season games. How much can you expect from him. He is still better than Flowers ever was, and on top of that he doesn't make the same mistakes week in and week out. You mentiooned him being slow, and I agree, but I dont think that is because he is slow, it is because he isnt playing instintual football and is thinking about what to do and then does it. As he gains experience he will just react and not have to think. That is NORMAL for any player in this league.
RE: This mind set needs to be changed  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/13/2020 2:35 pm : link
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With only 6 picks in 2021, that is simply not enough.



quantity is not quality.

Top 3 round picks are basically the only ones with value, reliable value.

That's not to say you won't ever hit one a 4th round pick or later, but the odds are not in your favor and it's not something to rely on.

so if the Giants had 12 7th round picks, why would you feel any better than the 6 they have if the new 6 are 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks.

The p of any player selected beyond even the 2nd round becoming a long-term starter is pretty remote. But that doesn't mean you should acquire fewer of them; in fact, the data supports the exact opposite: You should acquire more of them if the value of the acquisition cost is fair. No one is asking DG (or the next GM) to bat 1.000 on the mid/late draft picks, but instead, to acknowledge that he cannot possibly get them all right, and thus would be best served to give himself more bites at the apple.

Ordinarily, there is an embarrassment of riches effect that takes over - if you have a decent or better roster, you might only have 8-10 roster spots available for rookies. Anything more than that is wasteful and ends up on the waiver wire anyway (by theory). But on this team? They could draft 15 guys, have them all unseat/displace incumbents, and be no worse off than they are now, and have upside attached.

DG's trades for Williams and Yiadom in the midst of a rebuild are exactly counter to that concept. And here we are. So there's that.
RE: RE: I hope people realize that Abrams is “in charge of trades”  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/13/2020 2:37 pm : link
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already. So a guy supposedly specializing in resource allocation decided the LW trade was a good idea. Just something else to toss into any Abrams optimism.

Spare me the relentless Joe Judge optimism too. There are things to like for sure but everyone got a chance to see Andrew Thomas and the other tackles on film and as of now (again jury is out on this too) it looks like we made changes but not enough to cover up our serious flaws.

Judge could be the start of something good but even the idea that he knows how to build an organization around him is a huge leap at this point. Would I trust him more than anyone else in the building? Certainly. But that isn’t saying much



WIll you please post a link where it says Abrahms is in charge of trades already? I have not seen written nor do I know of anyone that has stated this. So where is this coming from? Or is this just some made up wishful thinking because no where in the Press or from anyone affiliated with the NY Giants FO has anything come out on this huge decision.

Will you please post a link where there's an H in Kevin Abrams' name?

If you're gonna defend the guy, at least learn his fucking name.
RE: RE: RE: I hope people realize that Abrams is “in charge of trades”  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 2:50 pm : link
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already. So a guy supposedly specializing in resource allocation decided the LW trade was a good idea. Just something else to toss into any Abrams optimism.

Spare me the relentless Joe Judge optimism too. There are things to like for sure but everyone got a chance to see Andrew Thomas and the other tackles on film and as of now (again jury is out on this too) it looks like we made changes but not enough to cover up our serious flaws.

Judge could be the start of something good but even the idea that he knows how to build an organization around him is a huge leap at this point. Would I trust him more than anyone else in the building? Certainly. But that isn’t saying much



WIll you please post a link where it says Abrahms is in charge of trades already? I have not seen written nor do I know of anyone that has stated this. So where is this coming from? Or is this just some made up wishful thinking because no where in the Press or from anyone affiliated with the NY Giants FO has anything come out on this huge decision.


Will you please post a link where there's an H in Kevin Abrams' name?

If you're gonna defend the guy, at least learn his fucking name.


Ok you answered my question, with a snide remark but you answered it, Your making it up, and ABRAMS (There Happy Now) Is not in fact in charge of the Trades. Thank You for at least semi admitting you made it up WOW Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!
RE: First Off  
MtDizzle : 10/13/2020 3:01 pm : link
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.

This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired


How can anyone honestly keep him employed after his tenure thus far?That’s a hard sell to the fan base.
RE: RE: First Off  
couchcoach100 : 10/13/2020 3:26 pm : link
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.

This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired



How can anyone honestly keep him employed after his tenure thus far?That’s a hard sell to the fan base.


His drafts are 1000 times better than REESE ever were. His hands were tied in FA because Reese overpaid every FA he signed. He has fixed alot of problems with contracts and The Cap. This year he had some money and didnt spend foolishly and we got some quality FA's. Everyone want to blame him foe Solder, but let me ask you this Did we need a LT? and Wha else in Free Agency at the time was available for the LT position? We overpaid Solder but when you are desperate for a LT you have to pay what the market says or go into the season without a LT. That was his choice. You can blame that one on Reese. Gettleman had NO CHOICE because no one else was available at the time. He has made mistakes, but name 1 GM that hasnt. Letting Collins walk was a good thing Collins couldnt cover anyone, Beckham was a Frigging LOUD MOUTHED Attention Whore that only cared about his stats, which SUCK since his injury. Jenkins mouth got him released and yae Im probably 1 of a few people that agreed with him on them. His mistakes like any other GM were because he is trying to fix this DEBACLE of a roster but his wins well outweigh his mistakes. Look if he was as bad as people make him out to be he would have been fired a while a go. He may retire but he isnt getting fired
RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope people realize that Abrams is “in charge of trades”  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/13/2020 4:48 pm : link
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already. So a guy supposedly specializing in resource allocation decided the LW trade was a good idea. Just something else to toss into any Abrams optimism.

Spare me the relentless Joe Judge optimism too. There are things to like for sure but everyone got a chance to see Andrew Thomas and the other tackles on film and as of now (again jury is out on this too) it looks like we made changes but not enough to cover up our serious flaws.

Judge could be the start of something good but even the idea that he knows how to build an organization around him is a huge leap at this point. Would I trust him more than anyone else in the building? Certainly. But that isn’t saying much



WIll you please post a link where it says Abrahms is in charge of trades already? I have not seen written nor do I know of anyone that has stated this. So where is this coming from? Or is this just some made up wishful thinking because no where in the Press or from anyone affiliated with the NY Giants FO has anything come out on this huge decision.


Will you please post a link where there's an H in Kevin Abrams' name?

If you're gonna defend the guy, at least learn his fucking name.



Ok you answered my question, with a snide remark but you answered it, Your making it up, and ABRAMS (There Happy Now) Is not in fact in charge of the Trades. Thank You for at least semi admitting you made it up WOW Unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!

Ok, first of all, I didn't admit anything.

Second of all, I'm not the one who you were asking to admit anything.

Third of all, no one has admitted what you were asking them to admit.

Fourth of all, it's "you're"
couchcoach is EliteMobster, right?  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/13/2020 4:50 pm : link
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RE: I can't  
HomerJones45 : 10/13/2020 5:14 pm : link
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Believe we have not seen success on the field this year considering DG hired 4 computer guys this off-season. However if it's true that Judge is just looking improvements then the organization should just hand over GM duties to him and give him his 3 years to turn this around this being year 1. With the draft and FA he should be able to get this team back to 8-8 in that time if not move on to the next Front office
You guys are hilarious. Joe Judge was a special teams coach without HC experience and is now 0-5. They brought in two former head coaches to be his baby sitters. This isn't Lombardi, Belichick, Parcells or the Chin we are talking about. He's too busy trying to explain how he is better than Shurmur or McAdoo. and why Jones now looks like shit on his watch. No one is letting him decide anything.

The Giants don't have anything anyone wants, (JFC we can't beat teams fielding their second and third stringers-who do you think is lining up for our players?) and Jawn, who must approve all player moves, isn't going to let Gettleman do anything in light of the opera bouffe trending on the field.
DG has no power  
DavidinBMNY : 10/13/2020 7:02 pm : link
At this point, whatever he is doing is someone else's wishes. The value of his opinion has to heavily discounted after putting together the worst team in the league that is actually trying to win. Not like the Jets.
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