The Giants are in a tricky spot right now with regards to the looming, 10/29 trade deadline. It’s widely thought that Gettleman is a lame duck GM here, whether he’s let go or retires, I think most feel he will not be here next season.
I’m of the belief that Abrams has been groomed to be the next GM. He has been involved in the interview process with the 2018 and 2020 head coach search. He also has had an increased media responsibility the last year or so. I feel part of the reason Gettleman was retained was in hopes of a better season where they could transition to Abrams. The optics didn’t allow that after 2019.
For as much as Mara likely wants to give Abrams the GM title, he can’t. The results simply aren’t good enough. The more I think about it, the more I think Gettleman was hired with the condition that Abrams was GM in waiting. It aligns with the history of the franchise since George Young to think the Giants wanted to eventually hand over GM duties to Abrams.
This leads to the trade deadline. Should Gettleman have the authority to sell off assets or potentially trade off draft picks for players? He sold off Apple & Snacks in 2018 and made the polarizing Williams trade last year.
The three likely options here leading up to the deadline:
1. Gettleman has full authority to make any moves as he sees fit.
2. Gettleman is restricted in what he can do and we see a quiet trade deadline.
3. Unlikely, but Gettleman is let go in the coming ten or so days and Abrams handles any trades prior to the deadline.
The reason I mention this, it is important for the Giants to try to add more draft picks. With only 6 picks in 2021, that is simply not enough. Any player who can fetch something decent, should be moved. Yet, who do we have to handle those tough decisions?
quantity is not quality.
Top 3 round picks are basically the only ones with value, reliable value.
That's not to say you won't ever hit one a 4th round pick or later, but the odds are not in your favor and it's not something to rely on.
so if the Giants had 12 7th round picks, why would you feel any better than the 6 they have if the new 6 are 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks.
We dont need more Ballentines and Loves. We need more Dalvin Tomlinson. Quality football players who won't need 3 years of work to show talent.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Then you list the three possibilities for what DG might do at the trade deadline....well whoopee....no shit. So what is your point? Last I looked he was still the GM. Does that mean he doesn't try to improve the team because BBI wants/thinks he will not be back? While Agree that based on Judges evals they could offload players that would catch a draft pick and do not have a future with this team - could be Engram, could be anyone...
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
How does that happen, that BBI has a better pulse on players than the GM?
Even more funny because it's entirely possible.
How about how DG let Collins and Jenkins go for nothing? Can't fix stupid!
Most are substantially younger.
Seventy seems like a good age to 'retire'. I would think Mara would whisper that in Dave's ear.
Solid defense, my foot (literally since it's a punter). By whose standards?
but moving zeitler won't be easy.
but moving zeitler won't be easy.
Nice philosophy, Plato, but people assume other teams aren't watching the Giants games. Zeitler has been pretty bad and he's got a $14.5M cap hit next year, I believe 12M transfers in a trade (and whatever is left of a $12.5M cap hit this year).
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
Here lies the problem, Fans think they know better and they dont thats why They are fans, and not getting paid the big bucks to be in the Ultimate Office doing a real job. Just you thinking you know better than the Giants FO is enough to take any credibility you have and throw it in the Garbage. You THINKING you know better doesnt mean you actually do
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
Here lies the problem, Fans think they know better and they dont thats why They are fans, and not getting paid the big bucks to be in the Ultimate Office doing a real job. Just you thinking you know better than the Giants FO is enough to take any credibility you have and throw it in the Garbage. You THINKING you know better doesnt mean you actually do
See, here is where you are absolutely WRONG. This board has proven that they have a better pulse on the prospects coming out of college than DG has had over the past several years. Go take a look at Sy '56 for instance, who a ton of people on this site rely upon for draft information. His past 3 drafts would have been FAR better than DG's and that is just pathetic considering he is supposed to be our GM. How you can sit here and defend this moron is beyond me at this point but in case you need some numbers here you go:
Giants record under DG: 9-28
That stat is the ONLY one that matters. He is overseeing this and this is year #3 of a rebuild that has us in a WORSE position than when he came here. So tell me again how this moron knows more than this forum? It's clear as day that he doesn't and that is why we need a COMPETENT GM.
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
Here lies the problem, Fans think they know better and they dont thats why They are fans, and not getting paid the big bucks to be in the Ultimate Office doing a real job. Just you thinking you know better than the Giants FO is enough to take any credibility you have and throw it in the Garbage. You THINKING you know better doesnt mean you actually do
I think the results on the field vs the results had the Giants drafted and pursued free agents based on BBI consensus speak for themselves. If the Giants knew what they were doing, they wouldn't be literally the worst NFL team since 2017.
It's my favorite post of the season so far.
My opinion is that Dave doesn't give a crap about trying to save his job. When you reach Dave's age and accomplished what he has accomplished in football(I know some will say what has he accomplished), then you do your best job without worrying about the consequences.
(1) We have nothing to trade aside from Engram, and I'd be stunned if we do so.
(2) We have five picks (no fifth because of Williams, and no seventh because of Yiadom).
I expect no trades.
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Where are you getting Gettleman is a lame duck? He isnt as far as I or anyone knows. Judge has said time and time again since day 1 of being hired that he is not looking at wins and losses. He is looking for Improvement, wins and losse mean nothing this season. He is implementing a LONG TERM SUCCESS PLAN not a quick fix. He has stated this is not going to be an Overnight fix. He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on. (Not those exact words) but everything is getting changed. That takes time and he is not on anyones timeline but his own. Mara And Tisch know this Gettleman knows this and if people would just listen to Judge and not just hear him they would know this.
This entire season is about Change and improvement not wins and losses. So I highly doubt Gettleman is a "LAME DUCK". He may retire but he is not getting fired
Takes time, takes time. I keep hearing this but it's all bull. The bottom line is that this GM has made highly QUESTIONABLE moves that have not worked. His draft strategy and picks have been suspect and it's time for him to leave. BBI has a better pulse on players the Giants should draft than DG does and I've felt that way for years now. If you go back and look at who the majority of this forum has wanted the Giants to pick over the past 10 years, this forums track record is FAR better than that of DG or Reese. No reason that a fan board should be better at making draft picks than someone who is apparently a professional. Sorry not sorry. The guy is a lame duck.
Here lies the problem, Fans think they know better and they dont thats why They are fans, and not getting paid the big bucks to be in the Ultimate Office doing a real job. Just you thinking you know better than the Giants FO is enough to take any credibility you have and throw it in the Garbage. You THINKING you know better doesnt mean you actually do
See, here is where you are absolutely WRONG. This board has proven that they have a better pulse on the prospects coming out of college than DG has had over the past several years. Go take a look at Sy '56 for instance, who a ton of people on this site rely upon for draft information. His past 3 drafts would have been FAR better than DG's and that is just pathetic considering he is supposed to be our GM. How you can sit here and defend this moron is beyond me at this point but in case you need some numbers here you go:
Giants record under DG: 9-28
That stat is the ONLY one that matters. He is overseeing this and this is year #3 of a rebuild that has us in a WORSE position than when he came here. So tell me again how this moron knows more than this forum? It's clear as day that he doesn't and that is why we need a COMPETENT GM.
You do realize that MOCK DRAFTS and the real thing are 2 totally different things right? You do realize that there are 31 other teams drafting and there is no way in hell that the Giants are going to get every superstar in the draft? just because you think the Giants should have drafted this guy in this round doesnt mean the Giants who have actually interviewed ran background checks and did every little thing in the world to these guys might know something you dont know? Cmon this board is one of the Best boards for the NY Giants there is. I cant understand why people keep saying this year 3 in the rebulild. It would be year 3 had Shurmur still been here but he isnt and Judge has pretty much been given Carte Blanch to FIX THIS MESS and from what I can see he is fixing it. So no this is again YEAR 1 and its frustrating as hell to me. It is what it is, and for the 1st time since Coughlin was canned I actually feel good about the direction this team is going. You cant fix 11 years of bad drafting and poor FA signings over night. Gettleman has drafted pretty good but his hands have been tied with Cap Issues, they are finally done and this team is on the right path with a Good Coaching Staff and a HC that actually has a plan that although is a huge undertaking but is moving forward and YES this team has Improved each week. Give it time Trust the Coaching Staff and Trust that this is finally going in the righT direction YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO JUDGE, Not hear him but LISTEN there is a difference between Listening and hearing
Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?
Does Gettleman know how to use an on-line device?
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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.
Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?
Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest
Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see
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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.
Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?
Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest
Ummmm...so you are just making stuff up then? Got it.
Thanks
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He is changeing everything from the way the FO is run to the way the players put the uniforms on.
Why do you believe a first time head coach was given the responsibility to remake the front office?
Like I said a few times -- YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO JUDGE Not hear him but LISTEN to him. He has said this quite a few times but most people dont Listen they Hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest
Ummmm...so you are just making stuff up then? Got it.
Thanks
WOW Really I disagree with you and I give a solid reason why I disagree and Now Im making stuff up Really WOW I dont know what to say to that. I could care less what you think Im just trying to explain what is going on because It may make you feel better abiut this team and give you something to look forward too is=nstead of just spewing FIRE EVERYONE and CUT ALL THE PLAYERS. You dont have to listen to me because I could care less if you do or not , but please dont ever tell em Im makeing stuff up, that just a nice way to call me a lier and that sir I am not
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman
Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see
Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman
Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see
Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!
Apparently you cant read and or comprehend. Who said Listen to Gettleman?? Not me I did say LISTEN TO JUDGE I cnat understand where Listen to Gettleman came from though????????? Hell when was the last time Gettleman said anything????????
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that couchcoach100 is Dave Gettleman
Thanks for the compliment but no Im not Im just a Giant fan for the last 51 years and can see what is happening and I like what I see
Seriously. What’s not to like? I love being out of the playoff hunt in October. I love having draft day be our Super Bowl. Wooo hooo! Dave G is the man! LISTEN to him, folks! HEAR him! Our line is fixed! We have our QB of the future! What a time to be a Giants fan!
Also here is a Perfect example of someone what HEARS what he Wants to HEAR but doesnt LISTEN at all
You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.
But, I expect NYG to double down on Jones and the rest of the assembled talent moving forward.
You can believe whatever you like based on your listening skills. But all you provided on this thread was an unsupported opinion.
I never said that I said LISTEN TO JUDGE not hear him But Listen to him.
Ok read this ist a story
There was this guy in a beat up old pick up truck driving down the road and he saw a bunch of exotic animals running around and a cop
He pulled over ran over to the cop and asked if he could help
The cop said YES could you please take the Penguines to the Zoo?
The man said of course I can and off he goes with the penguines.
The next day the same man is driving down the same road and passes the same cop but has 2 penguines in the back of his pickup truck, This day the penguines have a beach pail and shovel sun glasses on and sun screen with them.
The cop pulls him over and the man say hi officer I know you and the cop was mad and said to the guy I thought I told you to take those penguines to the zoo yesterday.
The man says I did officer and today Im taking them to the beach.
That is the difference between LISTENING and HEARING. LISTE N to what JUDGE is saying and you will know everything that he is doing
With such a brutally bad division, Mara sees the division within reach. So he's probably thinking that if we can just scratch together six wins we have a great chance. Especially with Dak out in Dallas, musical chairs with the QB in Washington and Philly decimated with issues on both sides of the ball.
So he's allowing DG to use his full power to find a way to make this team competitive for NOW. And we'll deal with the future another day.
I hate the approach because we need to be sellers ONLY. But Mara has demonstrated his doesn't see the future as clearly as he should and will allow Dave another chance to get this right in the short term.
Unfortunately...
Start with Jones. Is he what you want at QB? No? Fine...ship him for a third rounder.
Every single player on this roster is a sunk cost, including the '20 draft picks.
The rebuild has not yet begun. They're still tearing down.
In all seriousness- what players could actually help contending teams? Bradberry, Martinez and the DTs are the only realistic ones. But what are you getting for them?
But, I expect NYG to double down on Jones and the rest of the assembled talent moving forward.
Start with Jones. Is he what you want at QB? No? Fine...ship him for a third rounder.
Every single player on this roster is a sunk cost, including the '20 draft picks.
The rebuild has not yet begun. They're still tearing down.
Jones lowers his trade value by the game, but he might fetch a third rounder from a team that thinks they can rehab his issues.
This is what happens when you draft as poorly as the Giants have these last three years.
We have a lot of players worthy of getting rid of, but few worthy of purchasing.
Engram might fetch something, but probably not.
For a decent price, I'd trade Barkley. We'll not get the value of a #2 pick, but it is obvious that by the time the team is ready to fully appreciate a top RB, he'll be on the downside of his career and not a top RB. The problem is that someone would have to trade for him, and watch him sit on IR, then pray that he comes back as good as new.
the tear down phase of rebuild is about complete. It is time to start building.
Jones lowers his trade value by the game, but he might fetch a third rounder from a team that thinks they can rehab his issues.
This is what happens when you draft as poorly as the Giants have these last three years.
At 17-3 I turned to my wife and said to her,
"When the Giants lose this game, remind me that I knew they were going to lose before they started the game because they are devoid of talent. I am going to be upset when they blow this game. Remind that it is not worth it because I knew it would happen"
That is where I am as a loyal fan from 1975.
Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson to long term contracts.
One of them absolutely needs to go by the deadline.
We should be able to get a least a 4th Rounder. Maybe a very low 3rd.