just got beat like a drum. As bad or worse as any play by Thomas yesterday, the Saints ER (Hendricks?) was all over Herbert, on a third and 12 situation, in less than 2 seconds I think.
just got beat like a drum. As bad or worse as any play by Thomas yesterday, the Saints ER (Hendricks?) was all over Herbert, on a third and 12 situation, in less than 2 seconds I think.
Like him in college too. But he looks like most young QBs... bird dogs his receivers and when under pressure he makes mistakes and doesn’t see the whole field.
Whatever Jones is or isn’t, it’s tough to tell with the personnel around him
admirers here. He's in an ideal situation in San Diego, with good receivers and players that know the system.
I thought he underperformed in college and came up small in big games, and was a bit aloof. His physical skills are impressive, but so are Jones (if he can hold onto the ball).
Jones is in the worst possible situation right now, and the simplistic interpretations here are a bit much. Proclamations with Herbert and his 3 games against Carolina, Tampa, and New Orleans are early and his team lost. Kinda like Jones..
Like him in college too. But he looks like most young QBs... bird dogs his receivers and when under pressure he makes mistakes and doesn’t see the whole field.
Whatever Jones is or isn’t, it’s tough to tell with the personnel around him
Really? Herbert is missing 3 starters on the OL, his best running back and his best receiver. Result: he took his team down the field for a td.
Sometimes, the qb has to make plays. Herbert has been doing that; ours has not.
He hasn’t lost. I don’t follow Oregon but apparently their coach is trash and didn’t run things to take advantage of Herbert’s considerable talent. I buy that based on what I’ve seen so far he looks awesome.
People are either intentionally being obnoxious or it’s just their nature but to act like Jones didn’t put up some incredible numbers much of last year is just intellectually dishonest.
Whatever... this place has become Ponderous
It’s like watching cable news. Everyone’s got their opinions and they’re just dug in and going to repeat them no matter what.
Saints secondary is a mess right now and it’s the only reason Lattimore is out there tonight. Guy is running slow with that hamstring.
Seriously, is this Saints secondary as bad as Dallas's secondary?
Right now Yes. Plus the Chargers have better skill players. The Saints are rolling on their name right now. The secondary is a mess and Brees is starting his December play to start the Season now. He needs to hang it up.
RE: I like Herbert far more than I ever liked Darnold
But BBI was fawning over Darnold starting with one drive against us in the 2018 preseason. Now you don’t hear much Darnold talk.
It’s always nice to let things play out, but this is the way it goes these days.
The Jets’ failure of Darnold is almost the exact same as the Giants’ failure of Jones. They both drafted QBs, then did catastrophically bad jobs of surrounding those players with offensive linemen and skill position players.
People are either intentionally being obnoxious or it’s just their nature but to act like Jones didn’t put up some incredible numbers much of last year is just intellectually dishonest.
Define "much". He had three big games against terrible defenses and was mediocre to bad in the other nine games.
He has tremendous physical talent, elite skills that are top 10 projectable. He has a nice feel for the game as well. I don't know if he will be an elite qb, but it's not a stretch to imagine him being highly productive in this league for years to come. And yes, SD was a nice landing spot for him.
he’s got immense talent. Jets wouldn’t be doing a bad thing by drafting Sewell or trading it for an incredible haul if they get the #1
I heard Cosell talk about Darnold and he said some interesting things. He said lower body mechanics remain poor. He said Darnold still makes some great plays, especially secondary reaction plays that make you understand why people were so high on him. But he fails to make some plays that kids learn in high school and that should be made by an NFL QB 100% of the time.
People are either intentionally being obnoxious or it’s just their nature but to act like Jones didn’t put up some incredible numbers much of last year is just intellectually dishonest.
Define "much". He had three big games against terrible defenses and was mediocre to bad in the other nine games.
Considering what Eli did last season versus good teams, maybe it’s not possible to do all that well with a shit OL and middling skill position guys. In addition, I’m fairly certain that he isn’t the first rookie QB to play bad teams. Yet only 3 rookies have thrown more TDs than he did.
notably the gift INT that New Orleans dropped, and then the 3rd down throw on the final drive in OT.
Again, these aren’t criticisms, he’s a god damn rookie and he looks good. He will probably not have a great record as a starter, much like most rookie QBs don’t that play immediately - because their teams aren’t good!!
and Chargers seem like a great spot for him. He will be good for them, seems like a good kid who gives off kind of a “nothing bothers him” kinda vibe, but it also won’t matter if he struggles a bit because the Charger fans couldn’t give a shit about their team anyway.
I just looked over Herbert's stats after four games...
they have two really good wrs and probowl te. Two RBs that can really play and a offensive line that can run the ball. Oh and they have a very talented defense. Hmmm the Giants do not have any of that.
they have two really good wrs and probowl te. Two RBs that can really play and a offensive line that can run the ball. Oh and they have a very talented defense. Hmmm the Giants do not have any of that.
Uh, their center Mike Pouncey has been on IR. RT Bulaga has been hurt (didn’t play last night) and RG Turner has been hurt. And their LT Sam Tevi is a 6th round pick. So I wouldn’t confuse this OL with the Saints.
including the defending super bowl champs and play off contenders and still looks like an all pro. HE ALSO MADE FUCKING PLAYS THAT RESULT IN TDs and held a lead in a competitive game NOT TRAILING FROM BEHIND TWO SCORES IN GARBAGE TIME. Jones played a pretty good game yesterday his first in I don't know how long. And that was against the worst defense in the league! It was the only time I was like "when is he going to make a mistake and blow the game."
The Jones homers have to point out one missed throw like that cost them the game. What about him basically pulling a touch down out of his ass on that 3rd and long rolling right when the whole pocket broke down in like 2 seconds in the first half? It were Eli it would have been a sack , if jones it would have been a fumble.
Every QB misses one once in awhile. This guy is also a rookie not in his 2nd year.
Gettleman continues his streak of never trading down in a draft. Maybe their truly were no offers, but that goes against history and I don’t trust Gettleman to tell us the truth.
If all Jones needs is a pro bowl line; a generation RB; pro bowl TE; Pro bowl receivers -- then what the heck was the point of drafting him at all let alone 6th?
You could have just won with a 39 yr old Eli if you had all that. And by the looks of things you should have gotten all that and when he retired got Herbert. This way you got a system and some meaningful football past week 2!! SMH.
If there were really no offers, the Giants should have drafted Herbert and forced Miami or San Diego to make a trade for Herbert. He was the consensus top QB the year before but decided to return to school.
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
The Dolphins just annihilated the 9ers with Fitzpatrick playing very well. That's probably a good reason.
If there were really no offers, the Giants should have drafted Herbert and forced Miami or San Diego to make a trade for Herbert. He was the consensus top QB the year before but decided to return to school.
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
That would take cut throat maneuvering something this franchise has never done
Did he fumble?
Whatever Jones is or isn’t, it’s tough to tell with the personnel around him
I thought he underperformed in college and came up small in big games, and was a bit aloof. His physical skills are impressive, but so are Jones (if he can hold onto the ball).
Jones is in the worst possible situation right now, and the simplistic interpretations here are a bit much. Proclamations with Herbert and his 3 games against Carolina, Tampa, and New Orleans are early and his team lost. Kinda like Jones..
Larger sample set will bear this out.
Whatever Jones is or isn’t, it’s tough to tell with the personnel around him
Sometimes, the qb has to make plays. Herbert has been doing that; ours has not.
Seriously he looks like he has Flowers's feet, or worse!
Brees looks awful.
and it's not halftime yet.
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Saints secondary is a mess right now and it’s the only reason Lattimore is out there tonight. Guy is running slow with that hamstring.
Not to mention Herbert has Both Keenan Allen and Mike Williams healthy this game.
Allen got hurt and hasn't been on the field for the last 2 TD's.
That's right Homer, joke's on you!
It’s always nice to let things play out, but this is the way it goes these days.
Seriously, is this Saints secondary as bad as Dallas's secondary?
Instead we're having Jones throw 5-10 yard curl routes for eternity where no one is open.
Didn’t Jones have multiple games with 5 TDS last season? Wasn’t there something about being only rookie to ever do that.
The narratives being created about Jones on these two posts, would be a bit more effective if they were a little more objective.
Whatever... this place has become Ponderous
It’s like watching cable news. Everyone’s got their opinions and they’re just dug in and going to repeat them no matter what.
Herbert is doing things Jones did last season, and hasn’t won a game yet. But hey, let’s blame our GM.
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Saints secondary is a mess right now and it’s the only reason Lattimore is out there tonight. Guy is running slow with that hamstring.
Seriously, is this Saints secondary as bad as Dallas's secondary?
Right now Yes. Plus the Chargers have better skill players. The Saints are rolling on their name right now. The secondary is a mess and Brees is starting his December play to start the Season now. He needs to hang it up.
It’s always nice to let things play out, but this is the way it goes these days.
The Jets’ failure of Darnold is almost the exact same as the Giants’ failure of Jones. They both drafted QBs, then did catastrophically bad jobs of surrounding those players with offensive linemen and skill position players.
Define "much". He had three big games against terrible defenses and was mediocre to bad in the other nine games.
I heard Cosell talk about Darnold and he said some interesting things. He said lower body mechanics remain poor. He said Darnold still makes some great plays, especially secondary reaction plays that make you understand why people were so high on him. But he fails to make some plays that kids learn in high school and that should be made by an NFL QB 100% of the time.
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People are either intentionally being obnoxious or it’s just their nature but to act like Jones didn’t put up some incredible numbers much of last year is just intellectually dishonest.
Define "much". He had three big games against terrible defenses and was mediocre to bad in the other nine games.
Considering what Eli did last season versus good teams, maybe it’s not possible to do all that well with a shit OL and middling skill position guys. In addition, I’m fairly certain that he isn’t the first rookie QB to play bad teams. Yet only 3 rookies have thrown more TDs than he did.
No, the kicker cost them the game.
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No, the kicker cost them the game.
Pfft missed a wide open receiver when it mattered most. Choker!!!
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No, the kicker cost them the game.
So Badgley hitting the upright on a very make-able FG as time expired was Herbert's fault?
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No, the kicker cost them the game.
true. Also if Herbert leads Williams on that slant he’s probably still running.
Yep couldn’t make a simple throw when it mattered most
Again, these aren’t criticisms, he’s a god damn rookie and he looks good. He will probably not have a great record as a starter, much like most rookie QBs don’t that play immediately - because their teams aren’t good!!
Those are quality numbers so far. And against teams in the hunt for playoff spots - KC, New Orleans, Carolina, and Tampa.
But, he's a talented young man
Uh, their center Mike Pouncey has been on IR. RT Bulaga has been hurt (didn’t play last night) and RG Turner has been hurt. And their LT Sam Tevi is a 6th round pick. So I wouldn’t confuse this OL with the Saints.
Every QB misses one once in awhile. This guy is also a rookie not in his 2nd year.
You could have just won with a 39 yr old Eli if you had all that. And by the looks of things you should have gotten all that and when he retired got Herbert. This way you got a system and some meaningful football past week 2!! SMH.
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
The Dolphins just annihilated the 9ers with Fitzpatrick playing very well. That's probably a good reason.
He has looked very good in his first few games. Im surprised Miami has not given Tua a chance yet, there is no reason for them to keep him on the bench, unless he is injured
That would take cut throat maneuvering something this franchise has never done