I think it is.
O line not better.
WR worse.
QB not as accomplished.
DB group worse.
Pass rush worse.
D line specifically, maybe better.
....but we do have a yellow jacket RB....
He’s burned five first round picks in the process, including three top six picks. And a ton of money in free agency. This team is two years into a rebuild and needs another rebuild.
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
We have much more young talent throughout the team. I am still hopeful the OL will get good (they are definitely improving). Also the defense is in the top half of the league, as shown by the stats, and that means its a lot better.
Rebuilds aren't linear. Have to go backwards a bit sometimes to move forward. DG was saddled with a lot of bad contracts and poor locker room guys. He's gotten us out from under the cap and gotten us leaders in the locker room. The talent will come in due time. He has given us a revamped O and D line, a franchise QB, franchise RB.
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
Is it free of assholes?
If not for a bad beat in a poker game, we would definitely have at least one huge asshole.
Rebuilds aren't linear. Have to go backwards a bit sometimes to move forward. DG was saddled with a lot of bad contracts and poor locker room guys. He's gotten us out from under the cap and gotten us leaders in the locker room. The talent will come in due time. He has given us a revamped O and D line, a franchise QB, franchise RB.
One part of not being linear is that you have occasional games where you play better than you actually are. What are our good games? Wins over wash and Miami?
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
One of our 2019 1st round picks was arrested for armed robbery and has been released. OBJ, snacks, jackrabbit were not criminals like Baker (who we used 3 picks on by the way).
I hated the 2017 roster and was in favor of it being torn down; I still would be today.
But every major decision made by Gettleman has been a failure. He's hit on some later round talent (Slayton, Connelly, and Crowder come to mind), but the big decisions from a personnel and resource allocation standpoint have been a complete disaster.
It is incredible how incompetent he has been. You can't help but laugh thinking about the arguments we've had on this board...rarely are they so one-sided in terms of who was right and who was stupid.
The problem isn't really who Gettleman got rid of. It's that he got rid of them and did a pathetic job of replacing them, and there clearly wasn't much of a plan.
I honestly think the Geno Smith led squad in Reese/McAdoo's last stand would actually beat the team we had on the field this past Sunday.
Starting backs and recievers:
Geno Smith
Orleans Darkwa
Roger Lewis
Sterling Shepard
Rhett Ellison
Evan Engram
Evan Engram was a waste then and a waste now. Shepard was clearly better without the extra years of accumulated injuries. Ellison and Penny are probably a push, and - with his turnover issues, I don't know if I can say Jones is better than Geno Smith. If I assume he is better than Geno Smith, then the massive gap between Slayton and Roger Lewis means I can say our backs and recievers are better right now. (Devonta Freeman is definitely much better than Orleans Darkwa).
The starting offensive line that day:
Ereck Flowers
John Jerry
Brett Jones
Jon Halapio
Chad Wheeler
Is better than our current line in 3/5 positions, with Flowers/Thomas being a push. The corpse of Zeitler is probably still better than Halapio. Flowers and Wheeler sucked, but did they suck any worse than the Cowboys tackles that kept our "pass rushers" at bay yesterday?
Here was our starting defense:
Jason Pierre-Paul
Damon Harrison
Dalvin Tomlinson
Olivier Vernon
Devon Kennard
B.J. Goodson
Brandon Dixon
Ross Cockrell
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Landon Collins
Darian Thompson
That is a better defense than the defense we have right now, though I will admit we have more youth and "potential" on the current defense. And JPP and Vernon would destroy our current offensive line.
Overall? The "hog mollies" guy "improved" the backs and recievers (because they're still absolutely dreadful), and overall, we have a younger team with more "potential", but the team is definitely less talented. Gettleman has made the team worse than the garbage Reese left him.
Gettleman swapped 36 opening day players in 2018, and brought on 50+ new players at one time or another — and arguably the only 3 good players in that crop were Barkley, Carter, and Dixon. The only other average players were Hernandez and Hill.
I’ve never seen a professional GM do such a bad job at such scale. It’s almost hard to do that badly.
To take over as the general manager of a 3 win team, have 5 first round draft picks over your first three seasons (including the second, fourth and sixth picks), spend hundreds of millions of dollars in free agency, and somehow manage to make the roster worse. Yet, here we are. To call Gettleman’s tenure cataclysmically horrific would actually be kind of an understatement at this point.
On the roster. Arrogant moves that have not planned out. This team is horrible and Jones has not shown he is the guy that warranted his draft position and Barkley now has a potential career altering injury. This team is years away from fighting for a wildcard spot. Not even close!
but what baffles me even more was the approach towards building the team. The positional emphasis is almost inverse to what the modern NFL is. This team invests a ton in DTs, but nothing in DEs/Edges, they trade away the best WR with no plan, and then spend a premium pick on an RB....
... One thing I will say in DG's defense is that the secondary is where he invested, and where he got (kinda) screwed. DG envisioned Beal, Baker, McKinney, Peppers, Bradberry. I guess, in theory, that would be a good secondary. The thing is that Beal and Baker were picks he made that went awry for various reasons, and more importantly, I'm a firm believer that when you have literally no pass rush, it doesn;t matter how good your secondary is - people are gonna get open.
But yes, the talent level on this team is one of the worst I've ever seen. I started truly following NYG in 00. '03 had a much better roster than this, '13 probably did also (shit, '13 Cruz would be the best player on this team), and this roster looks worse than the last McAdoo year.
Gettleman swapped 36 opening day players in 2018, and brought on 50+ new players at one time or another — and arguably the only 3 good players in that crop were Barkley, Carter, and Dixon. The only other average players were Hernandez and Hill.
I’ve never seen a professional GM do such a bad job at such scale. It’s almost hard to do that badly.
I agree completely with the sentiment and am not defending DG, but Slayton and Lawrence are good
His draft choices like Love, Ballantine have been benched by this coaching staff that wants to build, teach and develop. It speaks volumes for his talent evaluation (yes these are later rd picks). His early ones aren’t setting the world on fire either. They may be ok down the road if Judge has more input than is normal for this organization.
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
We still have no cap room (no need to capitalize cap; it's not an acronym); DG still spends right up to the cap with his fantastic FA signings like Solder and Omameh and his fantastic trades like Ogletree and Williams. And he's brought in nothing but choir boys, right? Guys like DeAndre Baker, Aldrick Rosas, and Golden Tate (popped for PEDs and then basically started that fight on social media long before the Rams game) are really players you can teach your kids to be proud to root for!
Meanwhile, you're the one justifying an incompetent franchise because they're free of assholes and lazy "bastids" and we're the losers echoing each other?
Rebuilds aren't linear. Have to go backwards a bit sometimes to move forward. DG was saddled with a lot of bad contracts and poor locker room guys. He's gotten us out from under the cap and gotten us leaders in the locker room. The talent will come in due time. He has given us a revamped O and D line, a franchise QB, franchise RB.
Playing hard, keeping games close, having players who make you feel warm and fuzzy because they are nice guys, getting rid of talent because they are challenging to manage, having a QB who played for Cutler and went to Manning Camps, having nice owners with a good family, charity work, etc.
But properly framed , as Greg mentions above, the question should be: “Did Gettleman do enough with the opportunities that were presented to him?”
The answer is a resounding “No!.” I watched SNY last night . Moose said that Mr G. should have been given a new lease on life for his tenure since Judge was not his choice . The 2 should be regarded as a ticket . This is, of course , insane . No fresh starts for Gettleman . He has been quite terrible , starting with his initial presumptions . The fact that he couldn’t be trusted in making his second HC hire is telling .
Rebuilds aren't linear. Have to go backwards a bit sometimes to move forward. DG was saddled with a lot of bad contracts and poor locker room guys. He's gotten us out from under the cap and gotten us leaders in the locker room. The talent will come in due time. He has given us a revamped O and D line, a franchise QB, franchise RB.
we aren't now. We have more young talent today than we did then but yes, this team is worse. If the teams played each other, 2018 wins in a route.
The Giants weren't maxed out in cap space. After a few easy cuts -- the Giants were in very good cap shape in 2018 and were able to add significant salary. Gettleman walked into 20M+ room on a 177M cap in 2018, and that number quickly exceeded 30M.
The most significant barriers to cap space the Giants faced in 2018 and 2019 were from the dead money accrued trading JPP and Beckham.
there is a faction around here who thinks the goal is not to win games but have a good cap.
Dave came in here one year removed from a playoff team run by a moron faced with a player revolt because everyone but Mara and Reese apparently knew he was a moron.
Dave proceeded to hire a nice guy-loser as a HC and turn the roster into an expansion team- but with great cap savings! He may very well have blown the #2, #4 and #6 picks in the entire draft (the jury is still out). His best offensive player is on the last year of his contract next season. Let's be polite and not discuss Dave's free agent acquisitions or his Williams trade.
No one has time for the Dave "this is the first year of the re-build" ten year plan. Yes, the roster is worse and Gettleman has been an unmitigated disaster. But we have a great cap!
Dave came in here one year removed from a playoff team run by a moron faced with a player revolt because everyone but Mara and Reese apparently knew he was a moron.
Knock McAmoron all you want. He get this team to the playoffs and was all in on Mahomes.
Unfortunately, the bigger morons he reported to didn't listen.
So we hired an even bigger moron to fix what McAmoron apparently broke. And how do you like the results?
Vernon would run over our OL? The only thing Vernon would run over is to the Taco Truck for lunch while he was on IR. He was the king of putting pressure on but not quite getting to the QB. And though everyone thinks JPP was a horrible mistake, the guy blew his hand off, refused to see the team and when he did play for the Giants, he showed up every 5th game. He's surrounded by ProBowlers down in tampa. And Honestly, with that OL, who ever was the QB had about 2.5 seconds to get rid of the ball. DJ has often been sacked because of coverage(meaning he's got too much time).
That said, I don't think Gettleman has 'walked the walke'. His Hogmollies over the course of 3 years have not significantly improved the team either on OL or DL. He traded Eli Apple only to take Baker. He took a RB and a QB before the OL was improved. I think its time to move on and not just DG but the personnel department needs an overhaul.
Mara's way of bringing in one of his own while being able to catch lighting in a bottle twice as DG helped build Carolina.
Out front office attempted the same thing after TC's release opening the purse strings to create a copy kat Denver ish defense etc.
Our front office needs to let go and hire the right people.
Older fans are not going to return and younger fans could just say the heck with it .... waiting for bandwagon fans is more like a dumpster fire ride alone.
What is a concern is the division as a whole is the worse in all of football by far and we still cannot contend.
Its so bad the debate over reseeding playoffs actually has momentium .... should that blossom into reality Mara Tech will not make the playoffs for many seasons.
So with this to consider DG if not the worse is in the top three. Honestly think a few others were worse but its by tenths....
RE: I think this roster is much better than before Gettlemen
We have much more young talent throughout the team. I am still hopeful the OL will get good (they are definitely improving). Also the defense is in the top half of the league, as shown by the stats, and that means its a lot better.
He has 3 holdovers in Shepard, Engram and Tomlinson. He has drafted one impact player and another MAY be there in Lawrence. That's 21 draft picks in 3 years, TWENTY ONE. And he surrendered picks for...DeAndre Baker, Leonard Williams, Sam Beal, Alec Ogletree and his cluster draft of CBs? Beal, Baker, Love, Ballentine. Precisely zero contribution this year from any save Ballentine botching some returns.
He and this scouting operation have to go, every single fucking one, they are abysmal at quantifying what makes a player NFL caliber. We took an undersized slow FS in the 2nd round this year who has played zero games. We needed size at WR, Chase Claypool just nabbed 3 TDs, he could be a Giant but we needed a small slow FS who isn't even healthy. We have 4 OTs at the top of the draft and so far, we have not only the worst one, but one who looks as bad as the last "franchise" LT we tackle took and many of the same scouts are still here. That means something simple, they are bad at their jobs too. This is going on six years of truly abysmal drafting, it's time to once again clean house.
New GM, New Personnel guy, new director of scouting, new scouts, new everything but Judge. Let him build this his way, get those old fossils out and get some folks who can actually spot talent.
He has 3 holdovers in Shepard, Engram and Tomlinson. He has drafted one impact player and another MAY be there in Lawrence. That's 21 draft picks in 3 years, TWENTY ONE. And he surrendered picks for...DeAndre Baker, Leonard Williams, Sam Beal, Alec Ogletree and his cluster draft of CBs? Beal, Baker, Love, Ballentine. Precisely zero contribution this year from any save Ballentine botching some returns.
He and this scouting operation have to go, every single fucking one, they are abysmal at quantifying what makes a player NFL caliber. We took an undersized slow FS in the 2nd round this year who has played zero games. We needed size at WR, Chase Claypool just nabbed 3 TDs, he could be a Giant but we needed a small slow FS who isn't even healthy. We have 4 OTs at the top of the draft and so far, we have not only the worst one, but one who looks as bad as the last "franchise" LT we tackle took and many of the same scouts are still here. That means something simple, they are bad at their jobs too. This is going on six years of truly abysmal drafting, it's time to once again clean house.
New GM, New Personnel guy, new director of scouting, new scouts, new everything but Judge. Let him build this his way, get those old fossils out and get some folks who can actually spot talent.
It's actually way more than 21.
He had 6 picks in 2018 - 9 if you count the 4th and 6th rounders traded for Ogletree and the 7th rounder for Cockrell, which you should.
He had 12 picks in 2019 - 13 if you count the Beal supplemental pick, which you should.
And 10 in 2020 - 11 if you count the 3rd rounder traded for LW, which you should.
27 actually, I'm not counting picks he didn't make. Reese picked 17 in his previous 3 years with similar and slightly better results. Reese and Ross were bad, Gettleman is worse.
also, Peppers is just like getting another 1st rd pick
That's with the caveat that the Jets don't have a NFL roster.
Gettleman should have been fired with Shurmur but Johnny put him on 'notice'.
This organization right now is a complete joke.
Thus roster has very few
the structure of the contracts, lower salaries, might be a big advantage going forward. and the team is very young.
but as of today the roster is worse.
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
in honor of Gettleman (and John Lennon's 80th birthday) ...
I'm a Loser - ( New Window )
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
Is it free of assholes?
If not for a bad beat in a poker game, we would definitely have at least one huge asshole.
Golden Tate seems like a sweet guy as well.
One part of not being linear is that you have occasional games where you play better than you actually are. What are our good games? Wins over wash and Miami?
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
One of our 2019 1st round picks was arrested for armed robbery and has been released. OBJ, snacks, jackrabbit were not criminals like Baker (who we used 3 picks on by the way).
But every major decision made by Gettleman has been a failure. He's hit on some later round talent (Slayton, Connelly, and Crowder come to mind), but the big decisions from a personnel and resource allocation standpoint have been a complete disaster.
It is incredible how incompetent he has been. You can't help but laugh thinking about the arguments we've had on this board...rarely are they so one-sided in terms of who was right and who was stupid.
I honestly think the Geno Smith led squad in Reese/McAdoo's last stand would actually beat the team we had on the field this past Sunday.
Starting backs and recievers:
Geno Smith
Orleans Darkwa
Roger Lewis
Sterling Shepard
Rhett Ellison
Evan Engram
Evan Engram was a waste then and a waste now. Shepard was clearly better without the extra years of accumulated injuries. Ellison and Penny are probably a push, and - with his turnover issues, I don't know if I can say Jones is better than Geno Smith. If I assume he is better than Geno Smith, then the massive gap between Slayton and Roger Lewis means I can say our backs and recievers are better right now. (Devonta Freeman is definitely much better than Orleans Darkwa).
The starting offensive line that day:
Ereck Flowers
John Jerry
Brett Jones
Jon Halapio
Chad Wheeler
Is better than our current line in 3/5 positions, with Flowers/Thomas being a push. The corpse of Zeitler is probably still better than Halapio. Flowers and Wheeler sucked, but did they suck any worse than the Cowboys tackles that kept our "pass rushers" at bay yesterday?
Here was our starting defense:
Jason Pierre-Paul
Damon Harrison
Dalvin Tomlinson
Olivier Vernon
Devon Kennard
B.J. Goodson
Brandon Dixon
Ross Cockrell
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Landon Collins
Darian Thompson
That is a better defense than the defense we have right now, though I will admit we have more youth and "potential" on the current defense. And JPP and Vernon would destroy our current offensive line.
Overall? The "hog mollies" guy "improved" the backs and recievers (because they're still absolutely dreadful), and overall, we have a younger team with more "potential", but the team is definitely less talented. Gettleman has made the team worse than the garbage Reese left him.
I’ve never seen a professional GM do such a bad job at such scale. It’s almost hard to do that badly.
... One thing I will say in DG's defense is that the secondary is where he invested, and where he got (kinda) screwed. DG envisioned Beal, Baker, McKinney, Peppers, Bradberry. I guess, in theory, that would be a good secondary. The thing is that Beal and Baker were picks he made that went awry for various reasons, and more importantly, I'm a firm believer that when you have literally no pass rush, it doesn;t matter how good your secondary is - people are gonna get open.
But yes, the talent level on this team is one of the worst I've ever seen. I started truly following NYG in 00. '03 had a much better roster than this, '13 probably did also (shit, '13 Cruz would be the best player on this team), and this roster looks worse than the last McAdoo year.
I’ve never seen a professional GM do such a bad job at such scale. It’s almost hard to do that badly.
It is infinitely younger, it is mostly free of assholes and lazy bastids. Is that worse? How good was the team he got - 4 wins? 3 wins? Almost no CAP room. Great coaching staff. Freakining turmoil in the papers..
Yeah, this team is worse...it may not win 4 games
Just go to a different team if you don't like what you are seeing.
We still have no cap room (no need to capitalize cap; it's not an acronym); DG still spends right up to the cap with his fantastic FA signings like Solder and Omameh and his fantastic trades like Ogletree and Williams. And he's brought in nothing but choir boys, right? Guys like DeAndre Baker, Aldrick Rosas, and Golden Tate (popped for PEDs and then basically started that fight on social media long before the Rams game) are really players you can teach your kids to be proud to root for!
Meanwhile, you're the one justifying an incompetent franchise because they're free of assholes and lazy "bastids" and we're the losers echoing each other?
Might want to rethink that.
👆everyone say hi to gettledogman's new handle!
Playing hard, keeping games close, having players who make you feel warm and fuzzy because they are nice guys, getting rid of talent because they are challenging to manage, having a QB who played for Cutler and went to Manning Camps, having nice owners with a good family, charity work, etc.
The answer is a resounding “No!.” I watched SNY last night . Moose said that Mr G. should have been given a new lease on life for his tenure since Judge was not his choice . The 2 should be regarded as a ticket . This is, of course , insane . No fresh starts for Gettleman . He has been quite terrible , starting with his initial presumptions . The fact that he couldn’t be trusted in making his second HC hire is telling .
the secondary it's not totally fair - if Baker and Xavier are playing I'd argue it would be fine.
Front 7 is improved, but Williams is overpaid and it cost us a third...and Golden has been a gigantic waste of money so far.
Our receiving core is positively tragic. The worst in the NFL. Including the tight ends.
Because of this, I really can't pile on Daniel Jones yet, other than the fumbles which is a big deal.
Barkley getting hurt isn't anyone fault.
The Giants weren't maxed out in cap space. After a few easy cuts -- the Giants were in very good cap shape in 2018 and were able to add significant salary. Gettleman walked into 20M+ room on a 177M cap in 2018, and that number quickly exceeded 30M.
The most significant barriers to cap space the Giants faced in 2018 and 2019 were from the dead money accrued trading JPP and Beckham.
Dave came in here one year removed from a playoff team run by a moron faced with a player revolt because everyone but Mara and Reese apparently knew he was a moron.
Dave proceeded to hire a nice guy-loser as a HC and turn the roster into an expansion team- but with great cap savings! He may very well have blown the #2, #4 and #6 picks in the entire draft (the jury is still out). His best offensive player is on the last year of his contract next season. Let's be polite and not discuss Dave's free agent acquisitions or his Williams trade.
No one has time for the Dave "this is the first year of the re-build" ten year plan. Yes, the roster is worse and Gettleman has been an unmitigated disaster. But we have a great cap!
Dave came in here one year removed from a playoff team run by a moron faced with a player revolt because everyone but Mara and Reese apparently knew he was a moron.
Knock McAmoron all you want. He get this team to the playoffs and was all in on Mahomes.
Unfortunately, the bigger morons he reported to didn't listen.
So we hired an even bigger moron to fix what McAmoron apparently broke. And how do you like the results?
That said, I don't think Gettleman has 'walked the walke'. His Hogmollies over the course of 3 years have not significantly improved the team either on OL or DL. He traded Eli Apple only to take Baker. He took a RB and a QB before the OL was improved. I think its time to move on and not just DG but the personnel department needs an overhaul.
Out front office attempted the same thing after TC's release opening the purse strings to create a copy kat Denver ish defense etc.
Our front office needs to let go and hire the right people.
Older fans are not going to return and younger fans could just say the heck with it .... waiting for bandwagon fans is more like a dumpster fire ride alone.
What is a concern is the division as a whole is the worse in all of football by far and we still cannot contend.
Its so bad the debate over reseeding playoffs actually has momentium .... should that blossom into reality Mara Tech will not make the playoffs for many seasons.
So with this to consider DG if not the worse is in the top three. Honestly think a few others were worse but its by tenths....
You’re kidding right?
He and this scouting operation have to go, every single fucking one, they are abysmal at quantifying what makes a player NFL caliber. We took an undersized slow FS in the 2nd round this year who has played zero games. We needed size at WR, Chase Claypool just nabbed 3 TDs, he could be a Giant but we needed a small slow FS who isn't even healthy. We have 4 OTs at the top of the draft and so far, we have not only the worst one, but one who looks as bad as the last "franchise" LT we tackle took and many of the same scouts are still here. That means something simple, they are bad at their jobs too. This is going on six years of truly abysmal drafting, it's time to once again clean house.
New GM, New Personnel guy, new director of scouting, new scouts, new everything but Judge. Let him build this his way, get those old fossils out and get some folks who can actually spot talent.
He and this scouting operation have to go, every single fucking one, they are abysmal at quantifying what makes a player NFL caliber. We took an undersized slow FS in the 2nd round this year who has played zero games. We needed size at WR, Chase Claypool just nabbed 3 TDs, he could be a Giant but we needed a small slow FS who isn't even healthy. We have 4 OTs at the top of the draft and so far, we have not only the worst one, but one who looks as bad as the last "franchise" LT we tackle took and many of the same scouts are still here. That means something simple, they are bad at their jobs too. This is going on six years of truly abysmal drafting, it's time to once again clean house.
New GM, New Personnel guy, new director of scouting, new scouts, new everything but Judge. Let him build this his way, get those old fossils out and get some folks who can actually spot talent.
It's actually way more than 21.
He had 6 picks in 2018 - 9 if you count the 4th and 6th rounders traded for Ogletree and the 7th rounder for Cockrell, which you should.
He had 12 picks in 2019 - 13 if you count the Beal supplemental pick, which you should.
And 10 in 2020 - 11 if you count the 3rd rounder traded for LW, which you should.
So 32 picks in 3 years.
There were moments in 2018 after DG started that that team would kick this teams ass though.
Shit this is frustrating.