Assuming nothing drastic happens and Jones is still on the team in 2021, the Giants should at least sign a veteran not to be a caddy like Colt McCoy, but to actually compete for the job.
What do we know about Judge as a coach so far? Strong game management, strong special teams. It seems to me that that lends itself to wanting a QB that above all else will take care of the football. We know Jones doesn't do that.
If we assume that the Giants don't draft a QB high in the 2021 draft, what veterans can they target to compete for the job and do something that aligns with what Judge is trying to achieve? Looking at Spotrac, three vets jump out that are scheduled to be free agents in 2021:
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Jacoby Brissett
Age on opening day 2021: 28
Starts to date: 32
NY/A: 5.58
TD%/INT%: 3.2/1.3
Fumbles/Start: .56
Tyrod Taylor
Age on opening day 2021: 32
Starts to date: 47
NY/A: 5.86
TD%/INT%: 3.9/1.4
Fumbles/Start: .43
Nick Mullens
Age on opening day 2021: 26
Starts to date: 10
NY/A: 7.27
TD%/INT%: 4.3/3.7
Fumbles/Start: .5
For comparison, here are Jones's numbers:
Daniel Jones
Age on opening day 2021: 24
Starts to date: 17
NY/A: 5.39
TD%/INT%: 4.1/2.7
Fumbles/start: 1.29
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The biggest number that should jump out is the fumbles/start. Jones's number is more than double Brissett and Mullens, and triple Taylor's.
Brissett and Taylor clearly aren't big playmakers, but they don't turn the ball over...you aren't going to win any titles with them but they can do a job for you. They can not lose the game and let the special teams, defense, and Judge's game management provide the edge over the opponent. Over the course of a season that can be worth some wins...not a Super Bowl-winning strategy but let's learn to walk before we run.
I included Mullens because while he isn't as safe with the ball as Brissett or Taylor, he does provide increased playmaking ability as evidenced by the TD% and the NY/A.
Daniel Jones has two big problems:
#1 He isn't careful with the ball.
#2 He doesn't make enough plays to overlook #1.
These three free agents don't necessarily give you the best of both worlds, but they all provide a better ratio of #1 and #2 than Jones does. Keep these guys in mind if Jones fails to make a significant improvement in these last 11 games. Barring some major changes, veteran competition should be brought in as a minimum measure.
Remember two things as these weeks pass:
1. Judge looks like a good enough game coach to win some games he shouldn't if his quarterback doesn't lose them for him. With even decent game manager quarterback play the Giants could have won against Chicago, LA, and Dallas.
2. Judge didn't draft Jones. He's not tied to him the way Gettleman/Mara are. If you don't think that matters take a look at what's happening in DC - Rivera has already essentially rid himself of Haskins, who Dan Snyder himself hand picked. How patient will Judge be if Jones continues to ruin games with turnovers and an inability to make plays?
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
They're not similar in strengths, weaknesses, playstyle, experience at this stage, pedigree as a prospect (not talking about lineage), etc.
It's as lazy a comparison as invoking Dave Brown.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
And teams have already moved on from 1 (Rosen) of them and I see a possibility of 3 (Haskins/Trubinsky/Darnold) teams re-drafting another QB already as early as next year.
The reality of the new NFL is that you just don't get three years to develop a QB anymore.
Those days are gone.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
From that list, he's likely middle of the pack. Surely more than the hot garbage he's being portrayed as.
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The NFL in 2005 was a completely different world.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
And teams have already moved on from 1 (Rosen) of them and I see a possibility of 3 (Haskins/Trubinsky/Darnold) teams re-drafting another QB already as early as next year.
The reality of the new NFL is that you just don't get three years to develop a QB anymore.
Those days are gone.
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Watson - great player, has had ups and downs but mainly a top 10 QB in the league
Trubisky - benched multiple times, has shown to generally not be the answer and he's in his 4th year, it's probably times up for him
Jackson - MVP, immense talent, 0-2 in playoffs and couldn't make a throw in either of those games. But, great player yes
Allen - excelling in 3rd season, looked borderline awful as a rookie and average in his 2nd season
Darnold - up and down, injury plagued, has shown at times he has the ability to be great but way too inconsistent, plus the Jets are absolutely pathetic
Rosen - probably will never be a NFL starter again
Haskins - already benched, hasn't shown anything
Herbert - good stats so far, looks good, hasn't won a game
Burrow - looks like he has it, but hasn't won a game, and hasn't really lit it up on the stat sheet either. He's a rookie taking his bumps
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Lawrence on a daily basis are going to be very disappointed when we don't a) draft him and b) have a chance to draft him. It's getting sad at this point. Get it out of your head.
I think it's out of the question we draft Lawrence because we'll never be in a position to whether they'd want to or not. Think even Fields will be out of the question. I believe right now it's still Jones or bust. Hopefully this team can turn this thing around. Not just Jones but the whole team. Show some improvement and hopefully Jones can look more like last year's Jones.
I don't understand why anyone would dismiss the possibility that the Giants finish with the worst record, or tied for the worst record. They really are that bad.
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I think many of us saw the limitations of the offense going in, thought we'd suck, and are still disappointed in Jones' performance.
Do you think he can be fairly evaluated this early in season considering the circumstances. If we saw the limitations, and I absolutely did, once you lost Barkley, the limitations became a disability..
Yes, I do, because many of those limitations were there last season and Jones was much better. Additionally, other QBs have dealt with comparable issues and look better (Burrow, Herbert).
Some of the habits he needed to grow out of have worsened. Staring down receivers, for example, and his turnovers haven't improved. Given the conservative play calling (in my view), his inability to maintain control the ball is concerning. This isn't Eli in Gilbride's offense.
I'm not writing Jones off (or saying Burrow/Herbert are the next greatest QBs). But I think Jones himself has been worse than expected. He missed a handful of plays because he was staring his guy down this past Sunday.
Fair enough. I admit I only watched one complete game all season. And very little of the others. But what I have seen is a mix bag. I did traits of good games last year. But I see the stare down. And someone posted about the same issues he had in College and that Cutliffe couldn't even fix them. It is concerning. But brining in competition is not a smart move at this point.
Yeah, I'm not writing Jones off, there's still eleven games left. We should have a better idea at the end of the year, but I'm definitely concerned.
5 games in, now he need to be replaced by career backups and journeyman..
5 games in, now he need to be replaced by career backups and journeyman..
That talk didn't come from me. I thought he looked the best out of his QB class, and as the season progressed I grew more and more concerned. By December I was openly rooting for losses in the hopes of at least making Gettleman have to pass on Burrow.
And to your question before, taking the roster apart after 2017 was the right move. Gettleman didn't go far enough (should have cut Eli then), and he did a pathetic job putting a new roster together.
Had we hired a competent GM, we'd have been better off. But we kept it in the family...
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There was talk around here that he was the best QB in the division. I remember reading threads last year about if they had the choice, they would start with DJ over any QB in NFC East. My have attitudes changed.
5 games in, now he need to be replaced by career backups and journeyman..
That talk didn't come from me. I thought he looked the best out of his QB class, and as the season progressed I grew more and more concerned. By December I was openly rooting for losses in the hopes of at least making Gettleman have to pass on Burrow.
And to your question before, taking the roster apart after 2017 was the right move. Gettleman didn't go far enough (should have cut Eli then), and he did a pathetic job putting a new roster together.
Had we hired a competent GM, we'd have been better off. But we kept it in the family...
This is where we disagree. That roster did not need a tear down. It needed to be pared of a few players. The tear down is what got this team to his point now. And yes he did a horrible job putting it back together, but the blame is shared with our committee of voters.
And until that committee is abolished, and we all know that ain't happening, it's going to be the same.
People keep talking about Abrams being the GM. I would not be surprised if Chris Mara is the next GM. He's followed the same foot steps Reese did in getting promoted..
If he cannot hold on to the ball he is useless to the Giants. Even though he got whacked hard on Sunday by D Lawrence, he should not have fumbled. His arms weren't even hit.
I had mentioned on another thread that JJ needs to be in his face on this. Make him carry a ball at the facility at all times and make him open to "assault" on the ball from anyone at anytime. Not sure how TC did it with Tiki Barber, but whatever he did it worked.
Its awareness ... lack thereof ... he is not ready for the impact
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The NFL in 2005 was a completely different world.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
And teams have already moved on from 1 (Rosen) of them and I see a possibility of 3 (Haskins/Trubinsky/Darnold) teams re-drafting another QB already as early as next year.
The reality of the new NFL is that you just don't get three years to develop a QB anymore.
Those days are gone.
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Baker Mayfield
Would rather use those dollars to shore up the OL, WR etc. to see what any QB can have in this offense instead of throwing them out into a crappy situation.
The Giants operated in fear of their backup QBs being on par with their starter for too long with older Manning.
The worst mistake the Giants made in this era was catering to Manning’s feelings when he was benched, and not recognizing there was no functional difference between Manning and Geno Smith.
Many of his decision making issues from college seemed to have been coached out of him. But, year 2, he is regressing and we are seeing many of the college issues come back.
We are seeing him stare down receivers, take extra hops and/or patting the ball (telegraphing the throw), and having major troubles with zone and bracket coverages.
He still has 11 games to turn it around, but as of now, his efforts shouldn't prevent a competent FO from picking Lawrence or possibly Fields.
Here is what I said of him in college after the draft:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=583148&show_all=1#14433532
When I evaluatd Jones, I saw two weaknesses not mentioned by the OP. But the weaknesses are somewhat related.
1. Seeing the field, maybe call this spacial judgement. He has difficulty judging when a defender has angle on his throw. He doesn't seem to be able to figure out where a defender will be by the time his throw arrives. He fails to realize that a defender in position to drive on a ball can accelerate wuickly and be there to break it up or intercept it. He has a lot of bad throws like this. Sometimes this leads to poor ball placement. I remember a short throw to his TE being covered by a LB in a zone coverage. The corner saw the throw and started driving on the ball from the outside. If Jones had judged it correctly he would have thrown away from the corner who would arrive first since the LB had to change direction. The ball should have been shaded inside instead of outside. The TE dropped it because he heard the footsteps, and he did get clobbered.
2. Decision making, I say this is somewhat related to the first, because I think his bad decisions come from not seeing the field well. But he has a tendency to only view the coverage in terms of the primary defender. He fails to take into account a 2nd defender who might be providing help. Espcially in bracketed coverage, over under, or right left brackets. He will still throw into the double coverage.
Your examples:
1. He hesitates on the throw, he stutter hops 4 times before releasing, and he doesn't calculate that during his hesitation the CB is now driving on the ball and he is lucky it wasn't a pick 6. He didn't realize the CB would get there in time. 1 stutter hop to reset his fett would have been ok and probably meant a completion. I have no idea why he hesitated. A bad mental process all around.
2. Again, totally miscalculates that the safety is already driving on that ball before he even winds up. A better throw would have been to go over the top leading downfield and to the outside. Bad decision on the type and placement of the throw.
3. This is the 2nd weakness, misreading the zone and not taking into consideration the bracketing (over under in this case). He also hesitates and stutter hops a few times. Just abysmal decision making the throw to that guy. He needs to go to the next guy in his progression.
I see his issues being more mental than physical.
I am not concerned with his arm strength, or arm talent.
Its his mental processes and decisions that concern me.
I think that evaluation is pretty consistent with DJ we are seeing in 2020, with the added problem of ball security compounding things.
It would be good if he can turn it around and show he is a franchise guy by the end of the year. If not, normally I would still be in favor of trading down and building the roster, just not with prospects the likes of these guys.
However, if you want competition, lets bring in a stronger candidate than those 3...
Many of his decision making issues from college seemed to have been coached out of him. But, year 2, he is regressing and we are seeing many of the college issues come back.
We are seeing him stare down receivers, take extra hops and/or patting the ball (telegraphing the throw), and having major troubles with zone and bracket coverages.
He still has 11 games to turn it around, but as of now, his efforts shouldn't prevent a competent FO from picking Lawrence or possibly Fields.
Here is what I said of him in college after the draft:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=583148&show_all=1#14433532
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Strahan, I have a different opionion on all 3 of those plays.
When I evaluatd Jones, I saw two weaknesses not mentioned by the OP. But the weaknesses are somewhat related.
1. Seeing the field, maybe call this spacial judgement. He has difficulty judging when a defender has angle on his throw. He doesn't seem to be able to figure out where a defender will be by the time his throw arrives. He fails to realize that a defender in position to drive on a ball can accelerate wuickly and be there to break it up or intercept it. He has a lot of bad throws like this. Sometimes this leads to poor ball placement. I remember a short throw to his TE being covered by a LB in a zone coverage. The corner saw the throw and started driving on the ball from the outside. If Jones had judged it correctly he would have thrown away from the corner who would arrive first since the LB had to change direction. The ball should have been shaded inside instead of outside. The TE dropped it because he heard the footsteps, and he did get clobbered.
2. Decision making, I say this is somewhat related to the first, because I think his bad decisions come from not seeing the field well. But he has a tendency to only view the coverage in terms of the primary defender. He fails to take into account a 2nd defender who might be providing help. Espcially in bracketed coverage, over under, or right left brackets. He will still throw into the double coverage.
Your examples:
1. He hesitates on the throw, he stutter hops 4 times before releasing, and he doesn't calculate that during his hesitation the CB is now driving on the ball and he is lucky it wasn't a pick 6. He didn't realize the CB would get there in time. 1 stutter hop to reset his fett would have been ok and probably meant a completion. I have no idea why he hesitated. A bad mental process all around.
2. Again, totally miscalculates that the safety is already driving on that ball before he even winds up. A better throw would have been to go over the top leading downfield and to the outside. Bad decision on the type and placement of the throw.
3. This is the 2nd weakness, misreading the zone and not taking into consideration the bracketing (over under in this case). He also hesitates and stutter hops a few times. Just abysmal decision making the throw to that guy. He needs to go to the next guy in his progression.
I see his issues being more mental than physical.
I am not concerned with his arm strength, or arm talent.
Its his mental processes and decisions that concern me.
I think that evaluation is pretty consistent with DJ we are seeing in 2020, with the added problem of ball security compounding things.
It would be good if he can turn it around and show he is a franchise guy by the end of the year. If not, normally I would still be in favor of trading down and building the roster, just not with prospects the likes of these guys.
agree completely.. you can add to that inaccuracy and poor decision making.
Coaching/Scheme
Pass Protection
Quarterback
Wide Receivers
Injuries
Those are just some simple affects of ypa that I could think of quickly without going into detail how they affect ypa, but I'm sure if we're honest we can understand how they affect ypa.
Also, a serious question. Has YPA jumped that much of significance as an average per season since, say 1994?
5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
Jones should be looked at in a vacuum. Why wouldn't he be? He's the QB with the responsibility to be a difference maker and lift the play of others.
I expect the #6 pick in the draft to be more great than ordinary/bad. At this point, I'd settle for the #6 pick to be more good than ordinary/bad.
It seems you side of the aisle continues to treat any QB as just 1/11th of any offense. And that they shouldn't be held more accountable for the offense's productivity any more or less than the other ten players on offense.
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5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
Jones should be looked at in a vacuum. Why wouldn't he be? He's the QB with the responsibility to be a difference maker and lift the play of others.
I expect the #6 pick in the draft to be more great than ordinary/bad. At this point, I'd settle for the #6 pick to be more good than ordinary/bad.
It seems you side of the aisle continues to treat any QB as just 1/11th of any offense. And that they shouldn't be held more accountable for the offense's productivity any more or less than the other ten players on offense.
The quarterback should count for more than 1\11th of the offense, but how much isn't necessarily clear and ranges from team to team, qb to qb.
Simply, they should count for more than 1\11th, but perhaps not as much as you think.
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5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
Jones should be looked at in a vacuum. Why wouldn't he be? He's the QB with the responsibility to be a difference maker and lift the play of others.
I expect the #6 pick in the draft to be more great than ordinary/bad. At this point, I'd settle for the #6 pick to be more good than ordinary/bad.
It seems you side of the aisle continues to treat any QB as just 1/11th of any offense. And that they shouldn't be held more accountable for the offense's productivity any more or less than the other ten players on offense.
So, yore saying that if they sent him (or any qb)out to play, completely alone, then he should still be able to move the ball downfield on both air and ground?
You’re more the expert than I but just feel that is asking a lot.
It’s seemingly kryptonite to the NY Giants.
Can Mara petition the Competition Committee to abolish it?
Just making it sound like we can beat the Cover 2 through sheer will is folly, Throwing deep against a Cover 2 is the worst strategy against it.
Just making it sound like we can beat the Cover 2 through sheer will is folly, Throwing deep against a Cover 2 is the worst strategy against it.
Yep. It's also why we never see people running wide open like other teams. Just sit in zone all day, maybe send an extra guy in the zone on the blitz and make sure you don't lose sight of Slayton or Engram. I'm honestly pretty confident I could call a game defensively against the Giants right now and it stems from what's going on upfront combined with a skill bench that is neither deep or super talented.
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5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
Jones should be looked at in a vacuum. Why wouldn't he be? He's the QB with the responsibility to be a difference maker and lift the play of others.
I expect the #6 pick in the draft to be more great than ordinary/bad. At this point, I'd settle for the #6 pick to be more good than ordinary/bad.
It seems you side of the aisle continues to treat any QB as just 1/11th of any offense. And that they shouldn't be held more accountable for the offense's productivity any more or less than the other ten players on offense.
1/11th of the offense?? It isn't a very nuanced point here - it is pretty simple. Not many QB's, Jones being one of them, are going to thrive with a poor running game, a receiving corps that doesn't get separation, and being pressured one of the most in the league. Jones was pressured more than half of his dropbacks against the woeful Cowboys.
It isn't about being 1/1th of the offense, it is lacking the wherewithall to see that there are a lot of contributing factors. Why do most QB's with terrible OL's look bad?
It’s seemingly kryptonite to the NY Giants.
Can Mara petition the Competition Committee to abolish it?
i disagree with the running game being stalled. 2018 Barkley ran crazy. OBJ had a good year before getting heart. Engram and Shep had decent years..
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Giants couldn’t crack it with OBJ and he would get shut down. Then they added speedy Engram to help attack it but that didn’t help. Eli couldn’t handle it and would just check down. Then they added Saquon to take advantage of running against it but the running game was still stalled. They put in a mobile athletic QB in Daniel Jones to pressure the defenses, but he has had trouble reading and throwing accurately against zone coverages.
It’s seemingly kryptonite to the NY Giants.
Can Mara petition the Competition Committee to abolish it?
i disagree with the running game being stalled. 2018 Barkley ran crazy. OBJ had a good year before getting heart. Engram and Shep had decent years..
Yep
Too many excuses of what the team can’t achieve.
Just making it sound like we can beat the Cover 2 through sheer will is folly, Throwing deep against a Cover 2 is the worst strategy against it.
see 2018..
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Giants couldn’t crack it with OBJ and he would get shut down. Then they added speedy Engram to help attack it but that didn’t help. Eli couldn’t handle it and would just check down. Then they added Saquon to take advantage of running against it but the running game was still stalled. They put in a mobile athletic QB in Daniel Jones to pressure the defenses, but he has had trouble reading and throwing accurately against zone coverages.
It’s seemingly kryptonite to the NY Giants.
Can Mara petition the Competition Committee to abolish it?
i disagree with the running game being stalled. 2018 Barkley ran crazy. OBJ had a good year before getting heart. Engram and Shep had decent years..
Actually nope. Giants rushing yards per game in 2018 was in bottom third of the league. Crazy huh?
And not sure what decent years they had when the team was a train wreck.
No, I am saying the Giants had a less than average running game. And it’s ineffectiveness was very apparent for a good part of the year despite SB.
No sense prolonging the agony - ( New Window )
You guys don't see how the contributing factors hamstring the offense?
You guys don't see how the contributing factors hamstring the offense?
I’m tired of the excuses. I get it that the roster is crap, but Jones still had opportunities to elevate the offense and win any of the Chicago, LA or Dallas games. He didn’t do it. He turns the ball over a ton.
FMiC - if I recall, you didn’t even want Jones at #6. Listen, I hope he plays well the rest of the way. Nothing would make me happier than beating Wsh & Philly in the next ten days. But, Jones has been poor.
Let’s not make the mistake of waiting too long on Jones. He’s gonna have this season, but I expect the #6 pick to carry the depleted offense to some wins. Isn’t that why he was drafted #6?
That damn Reese really left us with a crappy set of offensive players.
1/11th of the offense?? It isn't a very nuanced point here - it is pretty simple. Not many QB's, Jones being one of them, are going to thrive with a poor running game, a receiving corps that doesn't get separation, and being pressured one of the most in the league. Jones was pressured more than half of his dropbacks against the woeful Cowboys.
It isn't about being 1/1th of the offense, it is lacking the wherewithall to see that there are a lot of contributing factors. Why do most QB's with terrible OL's look bad?
For crissakes, it's always something. Do you put any of the offense's doldrums on Jones? You don't think he has a responsibility to elevate others? Do you recall he was the 6th pick in the draft?
This is the same mantra echoed during Eli's final years. But at least Eli had the excuses that he was immobile and old.
But Jones is younger, more mobile and more athletic. So by those virtues alone shouldn't we be seeing more high level plays? Even despite the inefficiencies? Do you ever consider that?
I didn't like the Barkley pick. And I'm an avid PSU fan for 30+ years. But I can certainly see the abilities he has to make a difference. QB is a much more important position. Yet, after 17-18 games I haven't seen much at all to give convince me that Jones is really a 3rd/4th pick disguising as a #6 pick.
Miami has a pretty poor running game too so surely the Niners implemented a similar defense against them that they did against the Giants. Did they play Cover 2 against us because I didn’t see much of the game that day?
Anybody?
Miami has a pretty poor running game too so surely the Niners implemented a similar defense against them that they did against the Giants. Did they play Cover 2 against us because I didn’t see much of the game that day?
Anybody?
Football is unpredictable to an extent. There are many factors or reasons that go into why a team plays one way one week and different the next.
I get it. It isn't unreasonable.
I just apply a different amount of weight than you and others on Jones, especially since he's such a high investment. You and others seem to spread the weight of responsibility more evenly across the offense. I put significantly more on Jones.
And I can only say, in my defense, that my view is upheld by market value of the position since the QB position is highest compensated position in the sport.
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The point being made is that some of us feel circumstances are playing a role in a part of Jones' struggles. The key is, it can be difficult to know just how much it is related to the struggles. I don't think that is an unreasonable stance.
I get it. It isn't unreasonable.
I just apply a different amount of weight than you and others on Jones, especially since he's such a high investment. You and others seem to spread the weight of responsibility more evenly across the offense. I put significantly more on Jones.
And I can only say, in my defense, that my view is upheld by market value of the position since the QB position is highest compensated position in the sport.
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The point being made is that some of us feel circumstances are playing a role in a part of Jones' struggles. The key is, it can be difficult to know just how much it is related to the struggles. I don't think that is an unreasonable stance.
I get it. It isn't unreasonable.
I just apply a different amount of weight than you and others on Jones, especially since he's such a high investment. You and others seem to spread the weight of responsibility more evenly across the offense. I put significantly more on Jones.
And I can only say, in my defense, that my view is upheld by market value of the position since the QB position is highest compensated position in the sport.
The problem is, people are putting a lot of weight on Jones because of his predecessor and how much the QB position been a mess Eli's last 2 years. I understand the sentiment but IMO, it's a little too much to ask a young QB to elevate a team devoid of talent.
I think too many people are placing more of the position of the pick and not the actual pick itself. I expected this regression. Most QB's have that 2nd year hitch. Why are we so surprised that this QB is having one?. And with mitigating circumstances.