Assuming nothing drastic happens and Jones is still on the team in 2021, the Giants should at least sign a veteran not to be a caddy like Colt McCoy, but to actually compete for the job.
What do we know about Judge as a coach so far? Strong game management, strong special teams. It seems to me that that lends itself to wanting a QB that above all else will take care of the football. We know Jones doesn't do that.
If we assume that the Giants don't draft a QB high in the 2021 draft, what veterans can they target to compete for the job and do something that aligns with what Judge is trying to achieve? Looking at Spotrac, three vets jump out that are scheduled to be free agents in 2021:
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Jacoby Brissett
Age on opening day 2021: 28
Starts to date: 32
NY/A: 5.58
TD%/INT%: 3.2/1.3
Fumbles/Start: .56
Tyrod Taylor
Age on opening day 2021: 32
Starts to date: 47
NY/A: 5.86
TD%/INT%: 3.9/1.4
Fumbles/Start: .43
Nick Mullens
Age on opening day 2021: 26
Starts to date: 10
NY/A: 7.27
TD%/INT%: 4.3/3.7
Fumbles/Start: .5
For comparison, here are Jones's numbers:
Daniel Jones
Age on opening day 2021: 24
Starts to date: 17
NY/A: 5.39
TD%/INT%: 4.1/2.7
Fumbles/start: 1.29
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The biggest number that should jump out is the fumbles/start. Jones's number is more than double Brissett and Mullens, and triple Taylor's.
Brissett and Taylor clearly aren't big playmakers, but they don't turn the ball over...you aren't going to win any titles with them but they can do a job for you. They can not lose the game and let the special teams, defense, and Judge's game management provide the edge over the opponent. Over the course of a season that can be worth some wins...not a Super Bowl-winning strategy but let's learn to walk before we run.
I included Mullens because while he isn't as safe with the ball as Brissett or Taylor, he does provide increased playmaking ability as evidenced by the TD% and the NY/A.
Daniel Jones has two big problems:
#1 He isn't careful with the ball.
#2 He doesn't make enough plays to overlook #1.
These three free agents don't necessarily give you the best of both worlds, but they all provide a better ratio of #1 and #2 than Jones does. Keep these guys in mind if Jones fails to make a significant improvement in these last 11 games. Barring some major changes, veteran competition should be brought in as a minimum measure.
Remember two things as these weeks pass:
1. Judge looks like a good enough game coach to win some games he shouldn't if his quarterback doesn't lose them for him. With even decent game manager quarterback play the Giants could have won against Chicago, LA, and Dallas.
2. Judge didn't draft Jones. He's not tied to him the way Gettleman/Mara are. If you don't think that matters take a look at what's happening in DC - Rivera has already essentially rid himself of Haskins, who Dan Snyder himself hand picked. How patient will Judge be if Jones continues to ruin games with turnovers and an inability to make plays?
I would add Fitzpatrick to that list. He would be a decent bridge QB option as they figure it out.
I would add Fitzpatrick to that list. He would be a decent bridge QB option as they figure it out.
Further, I'm hoping the new GM will evaluate Fields and Lance seriously, as a consolation prize. Leave no stone unturned.
Jones is not a write off yet in my mind but there are more questions then there were 5 games ago. For now though I'm rooting for him and will wait to see what happens with draft position etc. Much will depend on where we end up and how we rate the draft class.
The others might be worth a look as a bridge, but a bridge to what? If the Giants don’t draft Jones’s replacement, the least-bad option is to give him 2021 to play himself into or out of the job. Give him his first normal off-season as the starter (COVID permitting) and see what he can do in year three. Then make the decision about his fifth-year option before the 2022 draft.
Of course, if they end up with Lawrence (or Fields/Lance, for that matter), a bridge vet makes more sense.
I do believe the OL, if it stays healthy, will incrementally improve until the bye- week. The Giants will show their true selves after the bye. This was the worst year ever for a new coach to start but it is what it is.
Any comparisons to Jones with the idea that one of these guys would be the starter is just ridiculous. This franchise is NOT going to promote one of those other QBs as the starter... not happening. That is admitting that the Jones pick was a poor one and they are not going to do that until there is someone else who is the clear future of the franchise.
We are not winning championships with the other guys (not saying we are with Jones either), so making that kind of change will never happen.
Judge spoke about how he doesn’t care about where any player was drafted in his intro presser. While he’s been supportive of Jones to date, I’m sure he’s very frustrated behind closed doors. Jones is killing this team with turnovers right now, and the argument can be made this team is 3-2 with adequate QB play.
Right now Jones is Jameis Winston without the explosive plays.
As for above, Brissett is a guy that makes sense. He was in the building with Judge in Foxboro (not that they worked together), but he’s familiar with the program.
"It is time for him to state his case, time for him to remind Giants fans suddenly fearing that he is not The Guy of the rookie quarterback (24 TDs, 12 INTs) who took the torch from Eli Manning and ran with it. He has looked more like a rookie quarterback this season than he did as a rookie, and you can’t fault Giants fans for dreaming the same Trevor Lawrence dream that Jets fans are dreaming given the third-year wall that Sam Darnold has run into." -Steve Serby
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You didn’t read the thread I guess. The point is a better backup should be brought in for competition.
You’d think there’d be more frustration with Jones who is turning the ball over at a ridiculous pace. People just assume Jones will be Simms or Eli I guess.
Eli was widely viewed as the #1 pick in the draft in 2004. Jones is nowhere near the QB prospect Eli was. There’s a reason there was so much shock Jones was picked #6.
I would agree with those who preach caution, because picking a QB is not simple. Look at the struggles of recent heralded prospects Winston, Darnold, Haskins and Rosen. Mayfield has been up and down. Only Allen and Jackson (and Murray) have met or exceeded expectations. Lawrence, Field and Lance are this year's flavors of the month, but no one really knows. Give Jones more time but don't allow the team to become shackled by another DG mistake if he cannot get it done by the end of this season.
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That’s it. That’s the only plan.
To judge Jones on 5 games with a limited off-season and a new system combined with poor personnel is ludicrous.
I do believe the OL, if it stays healthy, will incrementally improve until the bye- week. The Giants will show their true selves after the bye. This was the worst year ever for a new coach to start but it is what it is.
Logical posts aren’t wanted here. Horrible line play worst in the nfl. No skill guys to speak of. No threat of a running game. Yea! It’s jones fault! Look at the pressure stats from the Dallas game. 23 pressures on 41 attempts. Let’s not look at QB like he’s a pitcher. He needs to have complimentary talent around him.
Skins offense is terrible but their front 7 should get at least 6 sacks
Also, who knows if another QB would be in the cards, but Trevor Lawrence isn't the only draftable QB, from the looks of it, Justin Fields, Kyle Trask and Mac Jones look pretty darn intriguing as well.
He needs time. Peyton threw a ton of ints through 16 games and we were yelling about benching Eli for his first 3 years. QBs don't develop over night.
What draft pick do they have? If they have 1 or 2, hard to see Jones played better, i was one who said trade for a haul BUT i am starting to lean toward takong Lawrence or Fields..
Does anyone in the NFC east have their QB?
Either you believe Jones can be the guy or you draft the guy. None of those 3 players listed is worth wasting time on as "competition". If you want to bring in Tyrod to be the backup in case you decide to give Jones one more year and he fails, fine. But not as competition. Tyrod isn't the long term answer.
What draft pick do they have? If they have 1 or 2, hard to see Jones played better, i was one who said trade for a haul BUT i am starting to lean toward takong Lawrence or Fields..
Does anyone in the NFC east have their QB?
Good post. Still 11 games to be played. Jones has A LOT to prove though.
What draft pick do they have? If they have 1 or 2, hard to see Jones played better, i was one who said trade for a haul BUT i am starting to lean toward takong Lawrence or Fields..
Does anyone in the NFC east have their QB?
Despite the injury I still think the Cowboys roll long term with Dak and the Eagles move forward with Wentz.
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How do the giants end the season? Does Jones get comfortable in the offense and they start to score more points and win a few games?
What draft pick do they have? If they have 1 or 2, hard to see Jones played better, i was one who said trade for a haul BUT i am starting to lean toward takong Lawrence or Fields..
Does anyone in the NFC east have their QB?
Despite the injury I still think the Cowboys roll long term with Dak and the Eagles move forward with Wentz.
You still giving dak 35 million? will be a real interesting negotiation, plus dallas is going to have to create salary space..
Wentz i wouldnt be to sure, if he doesnt start playing better they are ready to see what Hurts has..
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How do the giants end the season? Does Jones get comfortable in the offense and they start to score more points and win a few games?
What draft pick do they have? If they have 1 or 2, hard to see Jones played better, i was one who said trade for a haul BUT i am starting to lean toward takong Lawrence or Fields..
Does anyone in the NFC east have their QB?
Despite the injury I still think the Cowboys roll long term with Dak and the Eagles move forward with Wentz.
You still giving dak 35 million? will be a real interesting negotiation, plus dallas is going to have to create salary space..
Wentz i wouldnt be to sure, if he doesnt start playing better they are ready to see what Hurts has..
Dak might need to suck it up and take less. Dallas might be the only place he can thrive. Him somewhere else without the array of talent he currently has there probably exposes him as a middle of the pack QB.
As for Philly: Hurts isn’t an NFL starting QB. I’d love for them to learn that one the hard way.
If you truly want somebody to compete to start, you should either draft that guy or sign a current starter that is a FA or by a trade. A trade would be a waste of resources.
Brissett, Taylor or Mullens are nothing but backup fodder - basically younger versions of McCoy.
Indecision leads to mistakes and a lack of confidence l, that s where Jones is now. I expect him to work through it, like many quarterbacks have done.
If Giants are in position to draft Lawerence, they probably should, but that s more than likely not going to happen. This team has played competitively, When they get that first win, I think you will see a momentum swing that will lead to some unexpected wins.
I m tired of hoping for draft position during the season; did that the last two years before Giants drafted Jones.
Giants have young quarterback in place, that might be the answer, I m rooting and hoping he is.
That s a lot more fun than what it s been around here. Even at 0-5, I ve been engaged in the games, caring, getting nervous and excited, feels good.
That train has left. Jones is here, and if you think Jawn is going to give up on that pick, spend another top 10 pick on a qb and go hire some vet, you are crazy. No one gives a shit what Judge thinks. He's lucky to have a job and if the team doesn't win a few games, he'll be lucky to keep it. Jones is the qb and Judge and Garrett better think of an offense to minimize his gaffes and utilize what there is of his talents. They aren't getting anyone else.
I think it's out of the question we draft Lawrence because we'll never be in a position to whether they'd want to or not. Think even Fields will be out of the question. I believe right now it's still Jones or bust. Hopefully this team can turn this thing around. Not just Jones but the whole team. Show some improvement and hopefully Jones can look more like last year's Jones.
I agree, they are not going to be in a position to draft him. However, if they have the first pick, I think you'll be unpleasantly surprised when they do draft him simply because Jones will be no one's qb in that organization (DG will be gone).
I tend to agree but at least it will make the few months after the season interesting.
Until the Giants actually win a game it's as silly to say they'll never have a chance at TL as to say they will.
Jones should still have a chance to compete even if we draft #1 in 2021, but making excuses for poor play doesn't help and will only delay the inevitable.
Earn your spot PERIOD.
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This year, the Giants need to bring in legit competition for Jones in year 3. Jones will get the 3rd year to show he is a legit top 10 qb. If not, the 2022 qb class will be stacked. There are already 3 potential top 15 candidates, and potentially another - depending on how the 2021 CFB season plays out. The Giants will likely not need the first pick to get a legitimate first round guy.
Not happening. I would be shocked if he didn't get an extension next year.
Of course, he can't get an extension until after next season. But don't let that stop you.
Yes, I will indeed be disappointed if the Giants deliberately choose to continue with the inferior QB.
What I've said is that the NYG aren't going to do it. and all of these threads about it are just going to lead to nowhere..
If the Niners want to panic and move on from Jimmy G, I'd bring him in here. The rumblings in SF have begun. He's far from perfect but he's a legit VET QB that can win games. And he's got upside. He's also got ties to the Pats.
This is beyond dumb. It's downright negligent.