Assuming nothing drastic happens and Jones is still on the team in 2021, the Giants should at least sign a veteran not to be a caddy like Colt McCoy, but to actually compete for the job.
What do we know about Judge as a coach so far? Strong game management, strong special teams. It seems to me that that lends itself to wanting a QB that above all else will take care of the football. We know Jones doesn't do that.
If we assume that the Giants don't draft a QB high in the 2021 draft, what veterans can they target to compete for the job and do something that aligns with what Judge is trying to achieve? Looking at Spotrac, three vets jump out that are scheduled to be free agents in 2021:
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Jacoby Brissett
Age on opening day 2021: 28
Starts to date: 32
NY/A: 5.58
TD%/INT%: 3.2/1.3
Fumbles/Start: .56
Tyrod Taylor
Age on opening day 2021: 32
Starts to date: 47
NY/A: 5.86
TD%/INT%: 3.9/1.4
Fumbles/Start: .43
Nick Mullens
Age on opening day 2021: 26
Starts to date: 10
NY/A: 7.27
TD%/INT%: 4.3/3.7
Fumbles/Start: .5
For comparison, here are Jones's numbers:
Daniel Jones
Age on opening day 2021: 24
Starts to date: 17
NY/A: 5.39
TD%/INT%: 4.1/2.7
Fumbles/start: 1.29
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The biggest number that should jump out is the fumbles/start. Jones's number is more than double Brissett and Mullens, and triple Taylor's.
Brissett and Taylor clearly aren't big playmakers, but they don't turn the ball over...you aren't going to win any titles with them but they can do a job for you. They can not lose the game and let the special teams, defense, and Judge's game management provide the edge over the opponent. Over the course of a season that can be worth some wins...not a Super Bowl-winning strategy but let's learn to walk before we run.
I included Mullens because while he isn't as safe with the ball as Brissett or Taylor, he does provide increased playmaking ability as evidenced by the TD% and the NY/A.
Daniel Jones has two big problems:
#1 He isn't careful with the ball.
#2 He doesn't make enough plays to overlook #1.
These three free agents don't necessarily give you the best of both worlds, but they all provide a better ratio of #1 and #2 than Jones does. Keep these guys in mind if Jones fails to make a significant improvement in these last 11 games. Barring some major changes, veteran competition should be brought in as a minimum measure.
Remember two things as these weeks pass:
1. Judge looks like a good enough game coach to win some games he shouldn't if his quarterback doesn't lose them for him. With even decent game manager quarterback play the Giants could have won against Chicago, LA, and Dallas.
2. Judge didn't draft Jones. He's not tied to him the way Gettleman/Mara are. If you don't think that matters take a look at what's happening in DC - Rivera has already essentially rid himself of Haskins, who Dan Snyder himself hand picked. How patient will Judge be if Jones continues to ruin games with turnovers and an inability to make plays?
Yeah... plenty of time for Taylor to establish himself as a game manager that takes care of the ball and doesn't make plays - and yet his YPA is still higher than Jones's.
This is the track Jones is on: career backup.
Amani Toomer
Plaxico
Shaun O’Hara
Diehl
Snee
Kareem McKenzie
All of them started on the Super Bowl team 2 years later. That list doesn’t even include the only guys who were 1st team All-Pros at some point in Tiki and Shockey. And he had a great coach. Nobody is doing it by themselves, especially 16 starts into their careers. It makes a difference.
Jesus.
Jesus.
That, and treating the ball like a loaf of bread in the pocket, yeah.
You are now shifting your argument. Wilson (and now Allen) clearly showed very early on that they lift their respective Offenses up with their play. That is the job assignment for a QB.
We are looking for signs of this from DJ, but really aside from the comeback in his very first game against Tampa, it has not been seen much, if at all.
So give me the example of a player lifting up a roster as barren as the Giants 16 starts into their career? The person is a figment of a lot of people’s imaginations.
Major difference between “too much infrastructure” and the bare minimum for a professional team expecting to compete. The Chargers almost ran for as many yards in the first half as the Giants average per game this season. Would you rather have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry or whatever the Giants have? Read Sy’s review... both OTs sucked. How about “league average infrastructure”? Aside from Russell Wilson, which QB has elevated scrubs over the past few year? Carson Wentz lifted scrubs for a few weeks last year, keeping in mind they only beat NFC East teams with the scrubs. I don’t understand this thought that there’s this group of QBs elevating bums.
BTW, true busts like Josh Rosen don’t play well against anyone.
Since your brought up the Chargers, their starting C Mike Pouncey has been on IR. Bulaga didn't play last night as he's been battling injury. The starting RG Trai Turner has been hurt. Meanwhile, their starting LT is a 6th round draft choice - Sam Levi. Did you see how many times he got hit last night?
Check out who Aaron Rodgers threw to last week.
Wentz scored 29 points last week in Pittsburgh against one of the best defenses in the league with such luminaries at WR like Greg Ward, Travis Fulgham, and Richard Rodgers.
Look, I agree Gettleman has done a poor job stocking the shelves. But a top flight, franchise QB finds a way to lift his teammates and score points. A lot more more than Jones has accounted for...
Happily.
The mob mentality around this place has gotten worse. This reminds me of the 2018 year and I wasn't even posting. All it took was a few posters with a idea to tear down the team and then it snowballed. Reese had to go. Worse GM in the league.
It got worse when a troll like jtgiants came on here and spread so much BS (and the many people on BBI that co-signed that BS), that was all it took for the mob to demand the tear down. Fuck talent. These guys are malcontents! Let's gets rid of them all..
Now you're stuck with a non-skilled team, worse than the 2018 team and want to bitch and complain about the GM and the roster. What's even funnier, the 2016 team which everyone hates, won 11 games that season. The Giants haven't won more than 9 games in 3 years!!!
You are absolutely 100% correct. Judge said it in the Post Game Presser on Sunday. He was actually upset about the question and said Lets stop this before it starts. DANIEL JONE IS OUR QB, now and in the future sa thats that. Next Question
You are absolutely 100% correct. Judge said it in the Post Game Presser on Sunday. He was actually upset about the question and said Lets stop this before it starts. DANIEL JONE IS OUR QB, now and in the future sa thats that. Next Question
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now constitutes what separates starters and backups??
Jesus.
That, and treating the ball like a loaf of bread in the pocket, yeah.
You’ve always been addicted to it for some reason, but YPA is quite literally the most useless stat in all of sports.
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now constitutes what separates starters and backups??
Jesus.
That, and treating the ball like a loaf of bread in the pocket, yeah.
You’ve always been addicted to it for some reason, but YPA is quite literally the most useless stat in all of sports.
If you feel that way then you quite literally don't know what you're talking about.
But we already knew that.
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The mob mentality around this place has gotten worse. This reminds me of the 2018 year and I wasn't even posting. All it took was a few posters with a idea to tear down the team and then it snowballed. Reese had to go. Worse GM in the league.
It got worse when a troll like jtgiants came on here and spread so much BS (and the many people on BBI that co-signed that BS), that was all it took for the mob to demand the tear down. Fuck talent. These guys are malcontents! Let's gets rid of them all..
Now you're stuck with a non-skilled team, worse than the 2018 team and want to bitch and complain about the GM and the roster. What's even funnier, the 2016 team which everyone hates, won 11 games that season. The Giants haven't won more than 9 games in 3 years!!!
The great irony here is that prior to the season, people acknowledged:
- That the lack of preseason would hurt the offense early on
- That the OL was a huge question mark
- That the WR's were pedestrian
5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
It is because it is more of a reflection of the team and offense than the player. Look at the changes in YPA when a QB changes teams.
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Major difference between “too much infrastructure” and the bare minimum for a professional team expecting to compete. The Chargers almost ran for as many yards in the first half as the Giants average per game this season. Would you rather have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry or whatever the Giants have? Read Sy’s review... both OTs sucked. How about “league average infrastructure”? Aside from Russell Wilson, which QB has elevated scrubs over the past few year? Carson Wentz lifted scrubs for a few weeks last year, keeping in mind they only beat NFC East teams with the scrubs. I don’t understand this thought that there’s this group of QBs elevating bums.
BTW, true busts like Josh Rosen don’t play well against anyone.
Since your brought up the Chargers, their starting C Mike Pouncey has been on IR. Bulaga didn't play last night as he's been battling injury. The starting RG Trai Turner has been hurt. Meanwhile, their starting LT is a 6th round draft choice - Sam Levi. Did you see how many times he got hit last night?
Check out who Aaron Rodgers threw to last week.
Wentz scored 29 points last week in Pittsburgh against one of the best defenses in the league with such luminaries at WR like Greg Ward, Travis Fulgham, and Richard Rodgers.
Look, I agree Gettleman has done a poor job stocking the shelves. But a top flight, franchise QB finds a way to lift his teammates and score points. A lot more more than Jones has accounted for...
Read one of my previous posts. Even with those offensive line injuries, the Chargers almost had as many yards rushing through 2 quarters as the Giants average per game. Is anyone on the Giants making the play Mike Williams made? Wentz has been in the NFL for how many years?
These guys aren’t playing poker with the same hand. Why do people act like they are?
DJ is now on an 11 game tryout for JJ and whoever the new GM is. If he can show improvement and get some good tape in so that he can convince the new GM and coaching staff that he is worth building around - something I don't know how any objective person can be convinced of at this point.
Picking up a guy like Tayler or Mullens or Brissett is just dumb - this what desperate teams that end up in QB hell do.
I think it's more likely that the Giants pick a QB at #1 and DJ gets traded to a team like Indy, Chicago, the 49ers, or NE.
Montana's YPA in SF was 7.6. It was 6.9 in KC
Kurt Warner's YPA was 8.5 in STL, 7.5 in Arizona and 7.4 here
jones wasn't drafted to be cut loose a year later. we take BPA and if a good QB drops we sit him behind Jones until theres a total melt down lol
Even still, feel free to post a study that shows YPA is more an indicator of a team/offense than the QB of that team/offense.
Amani Toomer
Plaxico
Shaun O’Hara
Diehl
Snee
Kareem McKenzie
All of them started on the Super Bowl team 2 years later. That list doesn’t even include the only guys who were 1st team All-Pros at some point in Tiki and Shockey. And he had a great coach. Nobody is doing it by themselves, especially 16 starts into their careers. It makes a difference.
Have you considered the possibility that the man who built Jones's "supporting cast" may also have misjudged and overrated Jones himself? Because it doesn't have to be either/or.
The Giants roster can stink (it does) and Jones may also be just mediocre.
Which brings up some other questions:
-How long are you willing to wait to make the determination on Jones?
-What (specifically) does Jones need to show during that timeframe to demonstrate that he can/should be the long term answer at QB for the Giants?
-How do you mitigate the potential damage done to the franchise if you bet on Jones and he just isn't the guy? Meaning, who's the backup QB in 2021? What do you do if we're sitting here in October 2021 staring down the barrel of another miserable season?
Gettleman also picked Jones. "Full bloom love" was the expression, if I remember correctly. So if we acknowledge that Gettleman's job performance in building the roster around Jones was pathetic, why do we have faith that he made the right pick in Jones? Why does Jones get the benefit of the doubt that the rest of Gettleman's roster does not?
Because fans are wishers. And that's fine. It's just not fine for the front office to be wishers, too.
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You are now shifting your argument. Wilson (and now Allen) clearly showed very early on that they lift their respective Offenses up with their play. That is the job assignment for a QB.
We are looking for signs of this from DJ, but really aside from the comeback in his very first game against Tampa, it has not been seen much, if at all.
So give me the example of a player lifting up a roster as barren as the Giants 16 starts into their career? The person is a figment of a lot of people’s imaginations.
Stop with your extremisms. Nobody is asking for DJ to lift them up to the Super Bowl, but clearly looking for more than this so far. He has 11 more games to show it, so that is what I am looking for.
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5 games and now we are going to be talking about the QB and the draft for the next 11 games.
The mob mentality around this place has gotten worse. This reminds me of the 2018 year and I wasn't even posting. All it took was a few posters with a idea to tear down the team and then it snowballed. Reese had to go. Worse GM in the league.
It got worse when a troll like jtgiants came on here and spread so much BS (and the many people on BBI that co-signed that BS), that was all it took for the mob to demand the tear down. Fuck talent. These guys are malcontents! Let's gets rid of them all..
Now you're stuck with a non-skilled team, worse than the 2018 team and want to bitch and complain about the GM and the roster. What's even funnier, the 2016 team which everyone hates, won 11 games that season. The Giants haven't won more than 9 games in 3 years!!!
The great irony here is that prior to the season, people acknowledged:
- That the lack of preseason would hurt the offense early on
- That the OL was a huge question mark
- That the WR's were pedestrian
5 games in, people have conveniently forgot those takes and want to look at Jones in a vacuum. He's been pressured 2nd most in the league. His WR's have the least amount of separation in the league. Teams are sitting back in a 2 Deep zone because the running game has been terrible. What expectations do people have of Jones overcoming that? Would a YPA of 8 make people happy, even if that meant a couple more INT's a game throwing deep for the fuck of it?
People conveniently forget their positions when it it turns out their position is not going to come true.
IMO, some people understand the dynamics of the season, rebuild, new coach, pandemic, etc and kinda figured this team was going to be at a major disadvantage.
But then you had some who were real bullish and thought that having a good interior line and be good against the run, the D was going to be better. Wrong.
Or those who, and I go back to that 2018 team, who thought when OBJ went out and the Giants scored some points in the those games that OBJ was the problem. Didn't need a #1 WR. Tate has more YAC than OBJ, yada yada, yada..
If the kid has no one to throw the ball to, no one to take the pressure of tim, but that's all just excuses. I recall a guy named Eli having the same problems. The 2016 team barely scored 20 points at anytime during that season. With Eli, OBJ, Shep and Engram. How the hell do people think Jones is gonna do with much less talent??
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It is because it is more of a reflection of the team and offense than the player. Look at the changes in YPA when a QB changes teams.
Exactly. Put Daniel Jones in Andy Reid’s offense, that OL and throwing the ball to Hill, Kelce, Hardman and the rest of that loaded offense. Is there anyone on the planet that thinks his YPA is the same as it is in his current situation?
His YPA sucks so he sucks!!! Try to use some damn context here people.
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get the scrutiny on YPA as it pertains to Jones. It is more of a function of the offense and what's available. Unless we are advocating that we should make a number of throws into the teeth of the Cover 2, he's taking the underneath stuff because the deep patterns are covered and his receivers have gotten little separation.
The idea that he's throwing short due to a skillset limitation isn't really valid.
Completing more passes, even short ones, would also boost his Y/A. There's nothing wrong with taking underneath stuff if that's what's there, but you need to complete more than 61% of your passes. If you're 27th in completion percentage and 30th in yards per attempt, you're not going to move the ball.
Understood. But he's taking dumpoffs or getting incompletions on medium routes, not because of his skill, but because of the lack of skill with the receivers and the defensive formation. He's not making terrible throws, he's been under pressure way too often.
Jones was the most pressured QB last season and he's second this season. Couple that with teams taking away the deep routes and the WR's not able to get separation - and you have what you have. Our WR's are last in the NFL in yards of separation.
YPA should not be used as a reflection on his skills.
If he cannot hold on to the ball he is useless to the Giants. Even though he got whacked hard on Sunday by D Lawrence, he should not have fumbled. His arms weren't even hit.
I had mentioned on another thread that JJ needs to be in his face on this. Make him carry a ball at the facility at all times and make him open to "assault" on the ball from anyone at anytime. Not sure how TC did it with Tiki Barber, but whatever he did it worked.
YPA is important...but his turnover rate is incredibly alarming - it's been exposed - and it's not getting better.
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here are some of his fellow starters...
Amani Toomer
Plaxico
Shaun O’Hara
Diehl
Snee
Kareem McKenzie
All of them started on the Super Bowl team 2 years later. That list doesn’t even include the only guys who were 1st team All-Pros at some point in Tiki and Shockey. And he had a great coach. Nobody is doing it by themselves, especially 16 starts into their careers. It makes a difference.
Have you considered the possibility that the man who built Jones's "supporting cast" may also have misjudged and overrated Jones himself? Because it doesn't have to be either/or.
The Giants roster can stink (it does) and Jones may also be just mediocre.
If the Giants could run the football worth a damn, I would. If Jones never had those good games (regardless of the level of competition) I would. Josh Allen won 3 games his first two seasons in which the Bills scored 14 points or less. Russell Wilson won four games in which his team scored 16 points or less his first two seasons in the league. I’m not a Jones fanboy saying he’s going to be Montana if we give him more time. I just think there’s almost no one who would be successful with the present circumstances. I HATED the pick, but the little bit Jones showed last year impressed me because the surrounding cast was also dogshit. I would draft Trevor Lawrence, but there better be a new GM and significant improvements to the offensive line immediately. Or else we’ll be saying Lawrence is no Andrew Luck.
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Perhaps those guys are free agents in 2021, and Mariota isn't.
Gettleman also picked Jones. "Full bloom love" was the expression, if I remember correctly. So if we acknowledge that Gettleman's job performance in building the roster around Jones was pathetic, why do we have faith that he made the right pick in Jones? Why does Jones get the benefit of the doubt that the rest of Gettleman's roster does not?
Because fans are wishers. And that's fine. It's just not fine for the front office to be wishers, too.
Who is excusing Gettleman??. The approach you want to make ois what people are objecting to. It ain't the QB. or maybe it is. I don't watch college ball so I don't know who he is comped to or what DJ was "supposed" to be.
The roster is terrible. But you know what, when you ask for a tear down, this is what you get. Or let me re-phrase your question back to you..
When you ask if people have faith that Gettleman made the right pick in Jones. Did you have faith the Gettleman was going to build the roster correctly since you were advocating for it to be torn down?
It comes down to where we finish. If its a top 2/3 pick then we should draft QB. If we win some games and are picking 6-10 then it gets interesting. Really depends on how Jones finishes, and what pick we have as a result.
Do you think he can be fairly evaluated this early in season considering the circumstances. If we saw the limitations, and I absolutely did, once you lost Barkley, the limitations became a disability..
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I think many of us saw the limitations of the offense going in, thought we'd suck, and are still disappointed in Jones' performance.
Do you think he can be fairly evaluated this early in season considering the circumstances. If we saw the limitations, and I absolutely did, once you lost Barkley, the limitations became a disability..
Yes, I do, because many of those limitations were there last season and Jones was much better. Additionally, other QBs have dealt with comparable issues and look better (Burrow, Herbert).
Some of the habits he needed to grow out of have worsened. Staring down receivers, for example, and his turnovers haven't improved. Given the conservative play calling (in my view), his inability to maintain control the ball is concerning. This isn't Eli in Gilbride's offense.
I'm not writing Jones off (or saying Burrow/Herbert are the next greatest QBs). But I think Jones himself has been worse than expected. He missed a handful of plays because he was staring his guy down this past Sunday.
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I think many of us saw the limitations of the offense going in, thought we'd suck, and are still disappointed in Jones' performance.
Do you think he can be fairly evaluated this early in season considering the circumstances. If we saw the limitations, and I absolutely did, once you lost Barkley, the limitations became a disability..
Yes, I do, because many of those limitations were there last season and Jones was much better. Additionally, other QBs have dealt with comparable issues and look better (Burrow, Herbert).
Some of the habits he needed to grow out of have worsened. Staring down receivers, for example, and his turnovers haven't improved. Given the conservative play calling (in my view), his inability to maintain control the ball is concerning. This isn't Eli in Gilbride's offense.
I'm not writing Jones off (or saying Burrow/Herbert are the next greatest QBs). But I think Jones himself has been worse than expected. He missed a handful of plays because he was staring his guy down this past Sunday.
Fair enough. I admit I only watched one complete game all season. And very little of the others. But what I have seen is a mix bag. I did traits of good games last year. But I see the stare down. And someone posted about the same issues he had in College and that Cutliffe couldn't even fix them. It is concerning. But brining in competition is not a smart move at this point.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
They're not similar in strengths, weaknesses, playstyle, experience at this stage, pedigree as a prospect (not talking about lineage), etc.
It's as lazy a comparison as invoking Dave Brown.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
And teams have already moved on from 1 (Rosen) of them and I see a possibility of 3 (Haskins/Trubinsky/Darnold) teams re-drafting another QB already as early as next year.
The reality of the new NFL is that you just don't get three years to develop a QB anymore.
Those days are gone.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
From that list, he's likely middle of the pack. Surely more than the hot garbage he's being portrayed as.
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The NFL in 2005 was a completely different world.
Compare Jones to his contemporaries:
Mahomes
Watson
Trubisky
Jackson
Allen
Darnold
Rosen
Haskins
Herbert
Burrow
I'm probably missing someone in there. But those are the first rounders the last three years. How is Jones looking compared to them?
And teams have already moved on from 1 (Rosen) of them and I see a possibility of 3 (Haskins/Trubinsky/Darnold) teams re-drafting another QB already as early as next year.
The reality of the new NFL is that you just don't get three years to develop a QB anymore.
Those days are gone.
Kyler Murray
Drew Lock
Watson - great player, has had ups and downs but mainly a top 10 QB in the league
Trubisky - benched multiple times, has shown to generally not be the answer and he's in his 4th year, it's probably times up for him
Jackson - MVP, immense talent, 0-2 in playoffs and couldn't make a throw in either of those games. But, great player yes
Allen - excelling in 3rd season, looked borderline awful as a rookie and average in his 2nd season
Darnold - up and down, injury plagued, has shown at times he has the ability to be great but way too inconsistent, plus the Jets are absolutely pathetic
Rosen - probably will never be a NFL starter again
Haskins - already benched, hasn't shown anything
Herbert - good stats so far, looks good, hasn't won a game
Burrow - looks like he has it, but hasn't won a game, and hasn't really lit it up on the stat sheet either. He's a rookie taking his bumps
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Lawrence on a daily basis are going to be very disappointed when we don't a) draft him and b) have a chance to draft him. It's getting sad at this point. Get it out of your head.
I think it's out of the question we draft Lawrence because we'll never be in a position to whether they'd want to or not. Think even Fields will be out of the question. I believe right now it's still Jones or bust. Hopefully this team can turn this thing around. Not just Jones but the whole team. Show some improvement and hopefully Jones can look more like last year's Jones.
I don't understand why anyone would dismiss the possibility that the Giants finish with the worst record, or tied for the worst record. They really are that bad.
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I think many of us saw the limitations of the offense going in, thought we'd suck, and are still disappointed in Jones' performance.
Do you think he can be fairly evaluated this early in season considering the circumstances. If we saw the limitations, and I absolutely did, once you lost Barkley, the limitations became a disability..
Yes, I do, because many of those limitations were there last season and Jones was much better. Additionally, other QBs have dealt with comparable issues and look better (Burrow, Herbert).
Some of the habits he needed to grow out of have worsened. Staring down receivers, for example, and his turnovers haven't improved. Given the conservative play calling (in my view), his inability to maintain control the ball is concerning. This isn't Eli in Gilbride's offense.
I'm not writing Jones off (or saying Burrow/Herbert are the next greatest QBs). But I think Jones himself has been worse than expected. He missed a handful of plays because he was staring his guy down this past Sunday.
Fair enough. I admit I only watched one complete game all season. And very little of the others. But what I have seen is a mix bag. I did traits of good games last year. But I see the stare down. And someone posted about the same issues he had in College and that Cutliffe couldn't even fix them. It is concerning. But brining in competition is not a smart move at this point.
Yeah, I'm not writing Jones off, there's still eleven games left. We should have a better idea at the end of the year, but I'm definitely concerned.