Obviously, if we get the #1 pick, you have to take Lawerence.
But what if we get the #2/3 pick and Fields is available. Do you take him? Does he have the upside where it is worth it to move on from Jones for Fields?
This dumb team will not take Lawrence with the #1 pick Gettl will still probably be there. Even if he weren't they still would not do it. We are stuck with Jones.
if he's viewed as an upgrade. We should be looking to upgrade every single position on the field, because they're all below average. Jones should not be exempt.
if he's viewed as an upgrade. We should be looking to upgrade every single position on the field, because they're all below average. Jones should not be exempt.
This.
It's THE most important position in the game. Fill it properly, and everything else falls into place. Get it wrong and you're in a world of hurt for the next few years. I hope the new GM realizes this.
RE: I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Transfer from Georgia none of those guys considered the prospect fields i
I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
I hate to judge by schools, but Ohio State hasn't had the best track record. Fields, I believe is very talented and should be considered. But can understand those who would want to pass. Ultimately I believe Jones gets a 3rd year to show he has it (i.e., top 10 qb), at which point the decision will be made by the new front office/Judge.
i've watched quite a few of Field's games and would consider him an upgrade.
regarding Lawrence, if he's there we'll take him. If TL were in the draft in 2019 when we picked Jones we surely would have taken TL if he were available. But TL would have been taken #1 overall, instead of Murray.
He will have played one game in the year and a half before he makes his NFL debut next September. Taking him in the top 10, let alone top 3, is an extraordinary risk given this thin resume.
Watched him a ton since he played At the same HS that my kids went to. What hurt him obviously was essentially sitting his freshman year while UGA and half the world were enthralled with Fromm. I think he’ll be the second QB taken and be a top five pick. I also think three QBs will be taken in the top 10 picks.
RE: I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick
& I doubt Mara wants to lose face so soon if Jones isn't the guy.
He can’t lose any more face than continuing to lose. Nothing would rally the fan base quicker than winning and if that’s an upgrade at QB then it is what it is.
Just curious. Fromm turned out to be pretty low ceiling, game manager type and that's the type of QB that gets replaced when a hot prospect comes to town.
Just curious. Fromm turned out to be pretty low ceiling, game manager type and that's the type of QB that gets replaced when a hot prospect comes to town.
Because he just led them to the national chmpionship game, The coach was never going to go to a freshmen over his establoshed QB, probably a decision he regrets
I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.
I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.
I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.
I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.
Wow, I somehow missed that, horrifying if true
RE: I think Fields is every bit as talented as Lawrence is
Except he doesn't have Lawrence's physical profile.
Yes, I would take Fields at 2 or 3
I'm getting there with you. I like his body type a lot. He's a much better prospect than Haskins...comfortably.
The Day factor is still an issue for me because he's so good at developing a potent offense with that talent. The guy is an NFL coach waiting to happen...
Anyway, still need more Intel on Fields. So looking forward to the B1G starting soon.
many alumni move on to become excellent NFL players . The two positions that they’ve never produced a future star is QB & TE. With Haskins being phased out by the Football Team, perhaps unfairly and prematurely , it looks like Mike Tomczak retains his #1 title .
As for Fields , I don’t think he is much better than Jones . The winning program difference between playing for Ohio State rather than Duke didn’t help Haskins that much . Justin stays on his first read too long . He also gets frustrated at times if you take away the deep routes on him . Another problem is he leaves himself open to unnecessarily big hits on weird aborted runs . But he is a major talent .
Know what’s being lost these days ? So is Daniel Jones .
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.
How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.
How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me
Troy Smith was a 5th round pick. Braxton Miller was drafted as a WR, JT Barrett was never considered a real NFL prospect. Only Haskins is remotely comparable from that list as they're both first round talents. You have to do your due diligence to decide whether a player is made to look better by the talent surrounding him, as we've seen with Haskins who was propped up by coach and WR. But your premise is flawed.
Because he just led them to the national chmpionship game, The coach was never going to go to a freshmen over his establoshed QB, probably a decision he regrets
Meanwhile Dabo had no problems switching from Kelly Bryant, who also got them pretty close. The rest is history.
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
None of these guys were looked at like Fields is. Haskins people were very split on and he’s the only one that went round 1. Some of these guys were just back ups like Troy Smith or were converted to WR like Prior and I think Braxton Miller as well. Cardale Jones played a handful of games there (albeit it was an amazing run through the CC, the CFP, and the NCC) was a mid round pick no one expected anything from. JT Barrett I legitimately don’t even remember in the NFL at all.
You can’t compare any of them to the prospect Justin Fields is just because they came out of Columbus. And if it counts for anything, he transferred from Georgia and was one of the top recruits in the nation coming out of HS.
Yes, I would take Fields at 2 or 3
I’ve never heard that, hopefully not true especially considering the full bloom love crap
This.
It's THE most important position in the game. Fill it properly, and everything else falls into place. Get it wrong and you're in a world of hurt for the next few years. I hope the new GM realizes this.
Not true. Gettleman was in love with Jones and there is video of Gettleman gushing over him to our scouts at the senior bowl.
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Transfer from Georgia none of those guys considered the prospect fields i
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
I hate to judge by schools, but Ohio State hasn't had the best track record. Fields, I believe is very talented and should be considered. But can understand those who would want to pass. Ultimately I believe Jones gets a 3rd year to show he has it (i.e., top 10 qb), at which point the decision will be made by the new front office/Judge.
regarding Lawrence, if he's there we'll take him. If TL were in the draft in 2019 when we picked Jones we surely would have taken TL if he were available. But TL would have been taken #1 overall, instead of Murray.
Do you think he ends up behind Trey Lance?
He can’t lose any more face than continuing to lose. Nothing would rally the fan base quicker than winning and if that’s an upgrade at QB then it is what it is.
And if he does?
Because he just led them to the national chmpionship game, The coach was never going to go to a freshmen over his establoshed QB, probably a decision he regrets
I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.
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I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.
I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.
Wow, I somehow missed that, horrifying if true
Yes, I would take Fields at 2 or 3
I'm getting there with you. I like his body type a lot. He's a much better prospect than Haskins...comfortably.
The Day factor is still an issue for me because he's so good at developing a potent offense with that talent. The guy is an NFL coach waiting to happen...
Anyway, still need more Intel on Fields. So looking forward to the B1G starting soon.
As for Fields , I don’t think he is much better than Jones . The winning program difference between playing for Ohio State rather than Duke didn’t help Haskins that much . Justin stays on his first read too long . He also gets frustrated at times if you take away the deep routes on him . Another problem is he leaves himself open to unnecessarily big hits on weird aborted runs . But he is a major talent .
Know what’s being lost these days ? So is Daniel Jones .
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.
How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?
none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.
How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me
Troy Smith was a 5th round pick. Braxton Miller was drafted as a WR, JT Barrett was never considered a real NFL prospect. Only Haskins is remotely comparable from that list as they're both first round talents. You have to do your due diligence to decide whether a player is made to look better by the talent surrounding him, as we've seen with Haskins who was propped up by coach and WR. But your premise is flawed.
Meanwhile Dabo had no problems switching from Kelly Bryant, who also got them pretty close. The rest is history.
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:
Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett
I'll pass.
None of these guys were looked at like Fields is. Haskins people were very split on and he’s the only one that went round 1. Some of these guys were just back ups like Troy Smith or were converted to WR like Prior and I think Braxton Miller as well. Cardale Jones played a handful of games there (albeit it was an amazing run through the CC, the CFP, and the NCC) was a mid round pick no one expected anything from. JT Barrett I legitimately don’t even remember in the NFL at all.
You can’t compare any of them to the prospect Justin Fields is just because they came out of Columbus. And if it counts for anything, he transferred from Georgia and was one of the top recruits in the nation coming out of HS.