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Justin Fields at #2/3?

Walnut : 10/13/2020 12:15 pm
Obviously, if we get the #1 pick, you have to take Lawerence.

But what if we get the #2/3 pick and Fields is available. Do you take him? Does he have the upside where it is worth it to move on from Jones for Fields?

Keep dreaming  
Black_Flag : 10/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
This dumb team will not take Lawrence with the #1 pick Gettl will still probably be there. Even if he weren't they still would not do it. We are stuck with Jones.
Same for the other QBs mentioned  
Black_Flag : 10/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
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I wouldn’t  
cokeduplt : 10/13/2020 12:19 pm : link
Rule it out and will be watching Ohio state games closely.
I think Fields is every bit as talented as Lawrence is  
Anakim : 10/13/2020 12:20 pm : link
Except he doesn't have Lawrence's physical profile.

Yes, I would take Fields at 2 or 3
I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2020 12:21 pm : link
& I doubt Mara wants to lose face so soon if Jones isn't the guy.
It absolutely must be considered  
bceagle05 : 10/13/2020 12:21 pm : link
if he's viewed as an upgrade. We should be looking to upgrade every single position on the field, because they're all below average. Jones should not be exempt.
Fields is the guy i want  
nygiants16 : 10/13/2020 12:25 pm : link
i have watched him since high school, kid is a stud
RE: I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick  
cokeduplt : 10/13/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15007707 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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& I doubt Mara wants to lose face so soon if Jones isn't the guy.


I’ve never heard that, hopefully not true especially considering the full bloom love crap
RE: It absolutely must be considered  
Spider43 : 10/13/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15007708 bceagle05 said:
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if he's viewed as an upgrade. We should be looking to upgrade every single position on the field, because they're all below average. Jones should not be exempt.


This.

It's THE most important position in the game. Fill it properly, and everything else falls into place. Get it wrong and you're in a world of hurt for the next few years. I hope the new GM realizes this.
RE: I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick  
BillT : 10/13/2020 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15007707 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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& I doubt Mara wants to lose face so soon if Jones isn't the guy.

Not true. Gettleman was in love with Jones and there is video of Gettleman gushing over him to our scouts at the senior bowl.
Ohio State QB's scare me  
PatersonPlank : 10/13/2020 12:46 pm : link
When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.
If John Mara picked Daniel Jones  
Oscar : 10/13/2020 12:47 pm : link
And is making the decision on whether or not to move on from him, I really need to consider doing something else with my time on Sundays.
RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
nygiants16 : 10/13/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.


Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?

none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class
RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
cokeduplt : 10/13/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.


Transfer from Georgia none of those guys considered the prospect fields i
He's not going to be a top 5 pick imv  
JonC : 10/13/2020 12:53 pm : link
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Good. I hope that Mara talk is untrue.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2020 12:53 pm : link
I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.
RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
lax counsel : 10/13/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.


I hate to judge by schools, but Ohio State hasn't had the best track record. Fields, I believe is very talented and should be considered. But can understand those who would want to pass. Ultimately I believe Jones gets a 3rd year to show he has it (i.e., top 10 qb), at which point the decision will be made by the new front office/Judge.
good question.  
markky : 10/13/2020 12:55 pm : link
i've watched quite a few of Field's games and would consider him an upgrade.

regarding Lawrence, if he's there we'll take him. If TL were in the draft in 2019 when we picked Jones we surely would have taken TL if he were available. But TL would have been taken #1 overall, instead of Murray.





RE: He's not going to be a top 5 pick imv  
Oscar : 10/13/2020 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15007761 JonC said:
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Do you think he ends up behind Trey Lance?
If we are judging QBs by school track records...  
penkap75 : 10/13/2020 12:59 pm : link
Then we are screwed with our Dave Brown redux.
Trey Lance has started a grand total of 17 games in his college career  
cosmicj : 10/13/2020 1:02 pm : link
He will have played one game in the year and a half before he makes his NFL debut next September. Taking him in the top 10, let alone top 3, is an extraordinary risk given this thin resume.
I haven't seen Lance play yet  
JonC : 10/13/2020 1:02 pm : link
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Fields is very talented  
Mark in ATL : 10/13/2020 1:09 pm : link
Watched him a ton since he played At the same HS that my kids went to. What hurt him obviously was essentially sitting his freshman year while UGA and half the world were enthralled with Fromm. I think he’ll be the second QB taken and be a top five pick. I also think three QBs will be taken in the top 10 picks.
RE: I'm worried when I hear this talk that Jones was a Mara pick  
UConn4523 : 10/13/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15007707 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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& I doubt Mara wants to lose face so soon if Jones isn't the guy.


He can’t lose any more face than continuing to lose. Nothing would rally the fan base quicker than winning and if that’s an upgrade at QB then it is what it is.
i'm going to laugh when Fields doesn't go top 10  
Platos : 10/13/2020 1:24 pm : link
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OSU talent does tend to get overrated  
JonC : 10/13/2020 1:26 pm : link
especially their QBs.
RE: i'm going to laugh when Fields doesn't go top 10  
barens : 10/13/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15007823 Platos said:
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And if he does?
Why couldn't he beat out Fromm?  
widmerseyebrow : 10/13/2020 1:46 pm : link
Just curious. Fromm turned out to be pretty low ceiling, game manager type and that's the type of QB that gets replaced when a hot prospect comes to town.
RE: Why couldn't he beat out Fromm?  
nygiants16 : 10/13/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15007856 widmerseyebrow said:
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Just curious. Fromm turned out to be pretty low ceiling, game manager type and that's the type of QB that gets replaced when a hot prospect comes to town.


Because he just led them to the national chmpionship game, The coach was never going to go to a freshmen over his establoshed QB, probably a decision he regrets
RE: Good. I hope that Mara talk is untrue.  
FStubbs : 10/13/2020 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15007762 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.


I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.
RE: RE: Good. I hope that Mara talk is untrue.  
cokeduplt : 10/13/2020 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15007911 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15007762 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I've just seen multiple posters here speak like it's a fact so I was concerned it might be. As they say, don't always believe everything you read on the internet, Haha.



I think Lombardi was the one who confirmed Mara made the pick and Gettleman liked him afterward.



Wow, I somehow missed that, horrifying if true
RE: I think Fields is every bit as talented as Lawrence is  
bw in dc : 10/13/2020 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15007705 Anakim said:
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Except he doesn't have Lawrence's physical profile.

Yes, I would take Fields at 2 or 3


I'm getting there with you. I like his body type a lot. He's a much better prospect than Haskins...comfortably.

The Day factor is still an issue for me because he's so good at developing a potent offense with that talent. The guy is an NFL coach waiting to happen...

Anyway, still need more Intel on Fields. So looking forward to the B1G starting soon.
Ohio State has had  
RetroJint : 10/13/2020 4:30 pm : link
many alumni move on to become excellent NFL players . The two positions that they’ve never produced a future star is QB & TE. With Haskins being phased out by the Football Team, perhaps unfairly and prematurely , it looks like Mike Tomczak retains his #1 title .

As for Fields , I don’t think he is much better than Jones . The winning program difference between playing for Ohio State rather than Duke didn’t help Haskins that much . Justin stays on his first read too long . He also gets frustrated at times if you take away the deep routes on him . Another problem is he leaves himself open to unnecessarily big hits on weird aborted runs . But he is a major talent .

Know what’s being lost these days ? So is Daniel Jones .
RE: RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
PatersonPlank : 10/13/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15007752 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:


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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.



Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?

none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class


I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.

How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me
RE: RE: RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
Kyle in NY : 10/13/2020 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15008055 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15007752 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:


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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.



Have you ever watched Fields play or you just judging him because he goes to Ohio State?

none of those players possessed the abilities Fields has, also they were all 1 year wonders, Fields was the top QB in his class



I've heard people say that every single time, oh Haskins is the real thing. Troy Smith is the real deal, etc.

How do you know? Why couldn't he play at Georgia, its not like Fromm is any good? Lets wait and see until the combine and private workouts, but he is a huge ? for me


Troy Smith was a 5th round pick. Braxton Miller was drafted as a WR, JT Barrett was never considered a real NFL prospect. Only Haskins is remotely comparable from that list as they're both first round talents. You have to do your due diligence to decide whether a player is made to look better by the talent surrounding him, as we've seen with Haskins who was propped up by coach and WR. But your premise is flawed.
RE: RE: Why couldn't he beat out Fromm?  
widmerseyebrow : 10/13/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15007865 nygiants16 said:
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Because he just led them to the national chmpionship game, The coach was never going to go to a freshmen over his establoshed QB, probably a decision he regrets


Meanwhile Dabo had no problems switching from Kelly Bryant, who also got them pretty close. The rest is history.
RE: Ohio State QB's scare me  
BrianLeonard23 : 10/13/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15007744 PatersonPlank said:
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When was the last time one of these guys was good in the NFL?
Hell Hoying and Schlister may be the best ones. The problem with these guys is they are surrounding by NFL talent, playing against college kids, so they always look good. Look at the recent list:

Haskins,
Cordale Jones
Troy Smith
Braxton Miller
Terrel Pryor
JT Barrett

I'll pass.


None of these guys were looked at like Fields is. Haskins people were very split on and he’s the only one that went round 1. Some of these guys were just back ups like Troy Smith or were converted to WR like Prior and I think Braxton Miller as well. Cardale Jones played a handful of games there (albeit it was an amazing run through the CC, the CFP, and the NCC) was a mid round pick no one expected anything from. JT Barrett I legitimately don’t even remember in the NFL at all.

You can’t compare any of them to the prospect Justin Fields is just because they came out of Columbus. And if it counts for anything, he transferred from Georgia and was one of the top recruits in the nation coming out of HS.
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Gruber : 10/14/2020 9:08 am : link
Justin Fields has already played more college games than Dwayne Haskins and he still has his final year to go.
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