For all the talk about getting rid of Gettleman, moving on from Jones to take Lawrence/Fields (if the Giants pick high enough) or signing someone else, what if Judge does indeed see in Jones someone he can with with? Would it not be more prudent to get a haul of picks and trade down if the Giants indeed have that high of a pick to take on of the aforementioned QB's?
I get the turnovers are alarming and they need to be corrected and addressed, but even Eli had his high turnover years. On the fumble side of things, I think he's cleaned that up a bit from last year to this year. Last year I seem to remember him having multiple fumbles even when getting attached from the front or his vision side. This year I believe most, if not all of the fumbles have occured from blindside hits, no? On the interception side, the pass near the endzone against Pitt was ill advised as as the one against the Rams at the end, correctible, but nothing we never saw Eli not do, especially in his first few years.
I'm not saying Jones will be another Eli or even have the same level of career success, the jury is still out in my opinion.
As I mentioned above, if Jones is indeed a guy that Judge wants and believes he can win with, I think we need to at least see what Jones can do next year with a full offseason, hopefully more weapons at WR, a more reliable TE and a more solidified OL in front of him. I believe most, if not all, are all in on Judge here and I don't believe he's one to throw words or glowing praises around (see him not naming any names in his first few pressers) and I don't think he would have uttered the "we wake up thanking God he's our QB" (or something to that affect) without having conviction on what Jones can do. Some can chalk that up to coach speak, but I think Judge would have chose a different phrasing on that if he didn't believe what he was saying.
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Jones is Shurmur's guy...
WUT???
After all DG's raving about Jones, you THINK JONES IS SHURMUR'S GUY?
Put down the crack pipe, please.
You think you're going a little overboard. Am I hallucinating or wasn't SHurmur the one who was ranting and raving about Jones toughness and how much he liked Jones. New coach / new QB is stock / trade in the NFL. Who said toEli if you don't tart scoring it's over? Who benched Eli for 3rd round pick masquerading as #6 pick despite Eli playing good? Who thought if they could just get old man Eli out of the way they could win like 10 games at the show? It wasn't all just Gettleman.
If the Giants finish the season with the first or second draft pick, then that is because they have a terrrible won-loss record. And the quarterback will have contributed to that. Even if he's injured in our next game and sits out the rest of the season, his record is questiionable.
You have the chance to draft an at least as good as DJ rookie who you control for four or five years. You, that is Joe Judge, get to choose. It's a no brainer. If the chance to grab Trevor Lawrence is there, he will be taken.
The only way this doesn't happen is if Gettleman is still GM, which give our record doesn't make sense.
Especially if Judge is right about Jones.
Or is that not the answer you are fishing for?
Wasn't really fishing for anything. Maybe I could have phrased things better, I just think the constant threads about needing to move on from Jones already are getting tiresome. Maybe we do, maybe we don't. But my overall point was that most everyone seems to be bought in on Judge. Given that, if Judge believes, based on what he's seen in practice, on gameday, film from last year, etc. that Jones is a guy that can lead the team he ultimately wants to create then we should probably let things play out and give it time rather than having these daily discussions about moving on from Jones. Lawrence isn't going to suddenly bring this team into the playoffs, we still need WR, ER, DB and OL help.
If Judge believes Jones CAN be that guy, I just think it would then be more prudent to trade the high pick, if we get it, for more picks to try and fill the holes mentioned above.
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Jones is Shurmur's guy...
WUT???
After all DG's raving about Jones, you THINK JONES IS SHURMUR'S GUY?
Put down the crack pipe, please.
Shurmur definitely pushed hard for Jones. Without him maybe we go in another direction.
But either way, Jones was DG's pick
Vastly superior prospect I think should be the more apt term, no? And that's no disrespect to Lawrence or what he's been able to do. I admittedly have not watched a whole lot of him, but as I've seen a couple respected posters here point out the much superior talent he's been able to work with at Clemson. Darnold and Rosen were much more well liked and thought of coming out than Jones was, I'd again point to the talent disparity between USC/UCLA and Duke. Rosen is on a practice squad and Darnold seems to be working his way out of the Jets. Could Jones be the guy? Again, maybe, maybe not. But we're not going to be able to win with any QB without plugging the other holes we have.
I agree with your premise that its become tiresome talking about moving on from Jones, in respect to none of us have any clue what Judge thinks about DJ.
But I disagree with your assertion that "just changing out the QB wouldn't change the W/L column."
Paraphrasing you, obviously. The team was in a position to win 2 or 3 of the 5 games played this season thus far, and considerably better play at the qb position might very well have changed those Ls to Ws.
Just MHO.
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Could Jones be the guy? Again, maybe, maybe not. But we're not going to be able to win with any QB without plugging the other holes we have.
I agree with your premise that its become tiresome talking about moving on from Jones, in respect to none of us have any clue what Judge thinks about DJ.
But I disagree with your assertion that "just changing out the QB wouldn't change the W/L column."
Paraphrasing you, obviously. The team was in a position to win 2 or 3 of the 5 games played this season thus far, and considerably better play at the qb position might very well have changed those Ls to Ws.
Just MHO.
That's fair and a good argument. He had a couple game winning drives last year when he had more playmakers around him (TB and WFT, yes I know, it was only the WFT lol) so I guess I'm in the position of wanting to see what he can do when he has a better cast around him before wanting to move on. If Judge sees someone that he thinks would give them a better chance and wants to pull the trigger in the offseason then I'm OK with that too. I know it's early, but I'm very high on Judge and think he's the right guy to turn it around.
I'm not tearing my hair out because of Giants' loses, alrhough I am drinking considerably more ale. 😉