Amazing how the Steelers knew about both him and brown
Not necessarily amazing as much as it is a quality organization understanding the value of certain players and believing in their ability to draft and develop new talent. Chase Claypool is a perfect example of the Steeler's player development.
Jets would need to send picks to a suitor the way Houston did with Osweiler to offload that kind of contract. He'll be out of the league until 2021 and then maybe latch on somewhere on a 1 year deal.
Amazing how the Steelers knew about both him and brown
Brown is one thing, but my gut tells me Bell's issues were more about the Jets just being the Jets (aka total ass and the only team worse than the Giants), than about Bell himself
Amazing how the Steelers knew about both him and brown
Not necessarily amazing as much as it is a quality organization understanding the value of certain players and believing in their ability to draft and develop new talent. Chase Claypool is a perfect example of the Steeler's player development.
We're giving credit to the Steelers for developing a guy that has basically had 1 month of practice without contact?
Teams missed the boat big time on Claypool. I would give Claypool the credit more so than the Steelers in this situation. I would give them credit for identifying him, but developing him is a bit much.
RE: RE: Jets have outperformed us since Gettleman took over.
Now they’re gonna fall ass backwards into Lawrence. We can’t even lose properly.
Out preformed the Giants???ok then
I'm not sure there's a measure out there that exists that says the Giants have outperformed the Jets since 2018.
Some people somehow forget just how bad the Giants have been since Gettleman took over. No matter which way you slice it, they've been the worst team in football, and they've somehow actually been even worse than their already horrendous record shows. A lot of the wins in that time frame have come against 2nd and 3rd string QB's
RE: Jets have outperformed us since Gettleman took over.
What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
I have never agreed with every single word of a singular post before, but you nailed it. 100%, like every sentence.
Bell doesn't seem to be the player he once was with Pittsburgh but he is still better than what we have?? I mean, I think we have the first pick in the draft if the season were to end today. We lack top end talent.
Perhaps Bell can rebound as he isn't that old?
Bell doesn't seem to be the player he once was with Pittsburgh but he is still better than what we have?? I mean, I think we have the first pick in the draft if the season were to end today. We lack top end talent.
Perhaps Bell can rebound as he isn't that old?
I agree. If we can sign him, he can replace Lewis. Bell and Freeman would make a good running back pair.
I think Judge gets 3 years after this one. This year is a wash due to COVID, all new staff and the roster he inherited.
His approach to putting in young guys for development appears new to the Giants, from what I recall
What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
I have never agreed with every single word of a singular post before, but you nailed it. 100%, like every sentence.
This is all pretty spot on.
I'd add that the 2018 draft, and for that matter maybe even 2019, would have been prime for trading down, since this team had/has virtually no talent. I realize this is a bit of 20/20 hindsight, but... yea, the Saquon pick was kind of coupled with the last grasp 'Win with Eli'...
More picks always help. (Although, with DG picking, who knows... :-(
unfortunately we are rolling into next year with the same group including the GM.
Your comment about the organization being "classy", plus Mara's very slow decision making process will drag this thing out beyond next season.
A prime example of slow decision making is what you mentioned about hanging onto Eli and lying to themselves and the fans that this team still had a chance. Maybe he was trying to move on from Eli when that benching occurred but the RIDICULOUS backlash from the fans potentially forced Eli upon us for yet another year.
What we need is NOT a GM who has been cut from the Giants' cloth. Instead, we need to go outside and find someone who can bring a winning mentality to this organization.
I am quite honestly tired of John Mara's annual end of season speech where he tries to sell "hope" to the fans. There is no plan at all right now.
When DG came here his first press conference talked about bringing in hog mollies. We all like to make fun of that but I actually liked that idea. The problem is that never happened and I really do not know what plan has been executed at all. Whatever it is... it is not working.
that he cant take criticism? pressure? or is seeing ghosts like Darnold? doesn't own up to his play? NO! He may or may not be the answer, but lets at least give him a chance to develop along with the rest of the offense. Right now he's running for his life with only one real threat in Slayton and a leaky OL.
the mistake in my mind was well before 2018, but in 2013 with the infamous SB clock. I understood giving the 2012 team a chance to repeat. By the end of that season it was clear that that core was on fumes. The rebuild should have begun then.
I am more pro-Jones than many but Mook explained what he meant in his post.
Jones' rookie contract will essentially be wasted by the Giants sucking during that stretch... and Mook doesn't believe we should sign a big QB contract to anyone, let alone a slightly above average game manager... never mind, that in all likelihood the fans will have fully turned on him by then.
If that is how the next few years turns out, then Mook may well be right that Jones will end up elsewhere.
making proclamations about Daniel Jones early on in his second season either have not been paying attention to the last 30 years of the NFL, or you simply just don't like Daniel Jones.
Making statements like "he can't put the team on his back" and "clearly he's not going to work out in NY" or "he's slightly better than Tannehill/Cousins" or "he just isn't going to be the guy" is absolutely, positively bullshit that has no basis in evaluation or reality.
If he hasn't elevated the team and his play towards the end of this year and into next, I'll hand it to you.
But the lack of understanding of how young QBs develop into the NFL is incredible to me on this board. Well actually - i think deep down you guys do understand it, you just can't help yourselves when it comes to the Giants.
How did you guys feel about Josh Allen early on last year? Because he was playing worse than Daniel Jones. After they lost to New England early on, there were calls for him to be benched.
Better than Derek Bell and “operation shutdown”
His cap hit was the problem
yep. Sad isn't it?
Out preformed the Giants???ok then
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Not necessarily amazing as much as it is a quality organization understanding the value of certain players and believing in their ability to draft and develop new talent. Chase Claypool is a perfect example of the Steeler's player development.
what did he do?
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Bell acted yesterday, it is like he tried to engineer his way off that team and get away from Gase.
what did he do?
He was liking posts on social media that involved scenarios where he was being traded
Jets have won more games than the Giants since Gettleman took over - it is a fact, though they’ve obviously both sucked.
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Amazing how the Steelers knew about both him and brown
Not necessarily amazing as much as it is a quality organization understanding the value of certain players and believing in their ability to draft and develop new talent. Chase Claypool is a perfect example of the Steeler's player development.
We're giving credit to the Steelers for developing a guy that has basically had 1 month of practice without contact?
Teams missed the boat big time on Claypool. I would give Claypool the credit more so than the Steelers in this situation. I would give them credit for identifying him, but developing him is a bit much.
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Now they’re gonna fall ass backwards into Lawrence. We can’t even lose properly.
Out preformed the Giants???ok then
I'm not sure there's a measure out there that exists that says the Giants have outperformed the Jets since 2018.
Some people somehow forget just how bad the Giants have been since Gettleman took over. No matter which way you slice it, they've been the worst team in football, and they've somehow actually been even worse than their already horrendous record shows. A lot of the wins in that time frame have come against 2nd and 3rd string QB's
Well, that just about sums it up, doesn't it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
He wouldn't have to move.
He could get playing time pretty quickly if motivated.
What better way to stick it to the Jets.
Again only if he's willing to play for the pro-rated vet minimum for the rest of the season - what's the downside?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
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What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
Lol. “Yes.” Let’s have a backfield of Davonta Freeman and Levon Bell!
Perhaps Bell can rebound as he isn't that old?
Perhaps Bell can rebound as he isn't that old?
I agree. If we can sign him, he can replace Lewis. Bell and Freeman would make a good running back pair.
His approach to putting in young guys for development appears new to the Giants, from what I recall
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What would you do to fix it? You often come parachuting in and talking about how awful this franchise is (which is correct), but I never see you post any potential solutions or ideas to fix it?
Any potential GM’s you like? Move off Jones? Judge?
First idea would be to get rid of Gettleman, who never should have been hired.
Judge I actually like, but I fear he will get fired because of the shit hand he was dealt after next season. It's going to be a long road back, and fans are not going to be patient. This team has been a total train wreck since hurricane sandy.
I would bring in a a player personnel guy as GM. Zero interest in a cap guy being GM like Abrams. Cap guy's are valuable, but can't be picking players too. I don't think Judge has earned the right to pick his GM, and I still dont buy into that being the way to go in the NFL these days despite the 49ers doing it. I actually think Shannahan and Lynch will be fired in a couple years and could easily see them on the path of the Atlanta Falcons. Teams do not recover from losses like they had in the Super Bowl.
I don't dislike Daniel Jones, but it's clear that he's not going to work out in New York. In todays NFL a huge asset to a team is having a good franchise QB on a rookie deal, his rookie deal is going to be pissed away on a terrible football team and then what do you do, pay him big money? No thanks. He doesn't have franchise QB talent. He's on the level of a slightly better Kirk Cousins, Tannehill level. Those guys are solid, but will never elevate their team in the big spot to get them over the hump. Daniel Jones is not going to go steal you games on a regular basis. He needs to be surrounded with the right group to be successful and he's clearly not here and doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back, in my opinion. And I do like him, had no issue with Gettleman taking him and still dont, if you believe in the player which I think they genuinely did then you draft him at 6 as a QB.
The mess started when they made one of the all time blunders by thinking the 2018 team was a playoff contender and Eli had something left in the tank. Anyone who believed Eli had something left in the tank should have been fired a long time ago. Mara hired a guy who believed that because thats what Mara wanted to believe. Mara botched the benching and threw McAdoo under the bus. McAdoo gets a ton of shit around here, but he was a lot better coach than most on here give him credit for. He runs circles around Shurmur, who was the worst Giants coach without even a close second since i started watching around 1995 consistently.
Saquon was just a remarkably poor pick at #2. It just made no sense on any level. If you don't like the QB's enough (I did like Darnold) then you take Chubb or Nelson. Taking a running back in that spot was just absurd, and outside of his rookie year, Saquon Barkley has not even come remotely close to justifying that pick. Barkley is a great kid and incredibly talented, but if you simply stuck by the never draft a running back top 5 overall no matter who it is in todays NFL you would be much better off. The team does not play that much worse offensively when he isn't on the field. Everyone wants to make him out to be the next coming of God but even when he's been on the field he has warts particularly in pass protection. It will never make sense to me taking a running back there.
The offensive line is still a train wreck. Zetiler who people on BBI somehow thought was a pro bowl caliber player has been a big dud. Hernandez has regressed. Thomas I think will be a good player but it hasn't been pretty so far this year. Center and RT who the hell knows what is going on there.
3 years into Gettlemans rebuild and I could easily argue this team is in worse shape now than they were 3 years ago at this time. He's bar none the worst GM the Giants have ever had and Gettleman should be fired like yesterday, Giants wont do that and they'll let him retire but they better muzzle him and take away any ability to make any kinds of trades or extensions of players contracts the rest of his tenure. Everything he has touched has turned into dogshit.
I would be looking to move on from players like Jabrill Peppers. I don't care if he's a good special teams player, he sucks as a safety and should not have had his 5th year option picked up, instead we'll be paying a guy 6 million next year to return punts. He's a worthless defensive player.
Linebacker Martinez is solid. Rest of the group doesn't inspire me. The defensive line is just thoroughly average. I like Lawrence but the rest of them I would move on from the first chance I had.
I have high hopes for McKinney, Bradberry is solid. There's 4 players on defense I would try to build the defense around going forward. Lawrence, Martinez, McKinney, Bradberry. The rest of the defense I wouldn't even consider giving an extension to any of them. Hopefully some of the young guys develop but I see a stunning lack of talent on that side of the ball each week.
Offensive skill positions are in desperate need of a talent influx. Slayton will never be a #1, but he can wind up being a solid complimentary player. But this team desperately needs a #1 receiver. And a reliable TE.
If QB is a need for the Giants, and it very well may be, then this roster going forward is the worst in the sport. A lot can change quickly though if they get the right QB and hire a decent GM. It's not something that needs to take 5 years, but when you hire clowns like Gettleman the only thing you're doing is doubling the amount of time it takes to rebuild the team.
This Giants team, in my opinion, is the worst of the last 3. They are incredibly boring, lack any type of playmakers on defense and very few on offense.
The Giants need to stop acting like they are such a classy organization and worrying about finding good people. They need to find better football players first and foremost. The talent on this team makes their ceiling 3-4 wins. And that will take a miracle at this point.
I would go into the GM search trying to find a pro personnel guy to run the team. I would absolutely positively not let Joe Judge pick the GM. I would give the new GM the ability to fire or retain Judge. If the new GM wants a different coach, then adios Joe Judge.
I have never agreed with every single word of a singular post before, but you nailed it. 100%, like every sentence.
This is all pretty spot on.
I'd add that the 2018 draft, and for that matter maybe even 2019, would have been prime for trading down, since this team had/has virtually no talent. I realize this is a bit of 20/20 hindsight, but... yea, the Saquon pick was kind of coupled with the last grasp 'Win with Eli'...
More picks always help. (Although, with DG picking, who knows... :-(
Your comment about the organization being "classy", plus Mara's very slow decision making process will drag this thing out beyond next season.
A prime example of slow decision making is what you mentioned about hanging onto Eli and lying to themselves and the fans that this team still had a chance. Maybe he was trying to move on from Eli when that benching occurred but the RIDICULOUS backlash from the fans potentially forced Eli upon us for yet another year.
What we need is NOT a GM who has been cut from the Giants' cloth. Instead, we need to go outside and find someone who can bring a winning mentality to this organization.
I am quite honestly tired of John Mara's annual end of season speech where he tries to sell "hope" to the fans. There is no plan at all right now.
When DG came here his first press conference talked about bringing in hog mollies. We all like to make fun of that but I actually liked that idea. The problem is that never happened and I really do not know what plan has been executed at all. Whatever it is... it is not working.
the mistake in my mind was well before 2018, but in 2013 with the infamous SB clock. I understood giving the 2012 team a chance to repeat. By the end of that season it was clear that that core was on fumes. The rebuild should have begun then.
I agree with nearly everything stated.
Jones' rookie contract will essentially be wasted by the Giants sucking during that stretch... and Mook doesn't believe we should sign a big QB contract to anyone, let alone a slightly above average game manager... never mind, that in all likelihood the fans will have fully turned on him by then.
If that is how the next few years turns out, then Mook may well be right that Jones will end up elsewhere.
Making statements like "he can't put the team on his back" and "clearly he's not going to work out in NY" or "he's slightly better than Tannehill/Cousins" or "he just isn't going to be the guy" is absolutely, positively bullshit that has no basis in evaluation or reality.
If he hasn't elevated the team and his play towards the end of this year and into next, I'll hand it to you.
But the lack of understanding of how young QBs develop into the NFL is incredible to me on this board. Well actually - i think deep down you guys do understand it, you just can't help yourselves when it comes to the Giants.
How did you guys feel about Josh Allen early on last year? Because he was playing worse than Daniel Jones. After they lost to New England early on, there were calls for him to be benched.