Sounds like the Saints are getting tired of his act. He's still young and would do well here with Shep and Slayton. I would call up the saints right now and offer a 2nd and a 4th.
We need a WR that can dominate to help our young qb. Just like when we did when we signed plax.
Let's totally screw this season up!
You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
Ronnie, hold up, can't we just trade back to the Saints that extra second rounder from the Shockey trade? Win Win for both teams.
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since it's essentially a low 1st rounder the way we're playing. But maybe a 3rd and 6th?
Ronnie, hold up, can't we just trade back to the Saints that extra second rounder from the Shockey trade? Win Win for both teams.
You sonofa...that's even a better plan!
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?
2021: $12.6M
2022: $15.35M
2023: $15.5M
2024: $18.5M
+$200K workout bonuses each year
That's about $10M per year less than what Hopkins just signed for.
That said, the price is likely much more than a 2nd round pick (even #33 ain't getting it done).
the Patriots while you have pearl clutchers on here bemoaning that the Giants don't have their 5th and 7th round draft picks for 2021 and feel like they need more 5th and 7th round picks. Versus a player who could be part of the nucleus the next 5 years and contribute more quality more immediately toward a rebuild than any draft picks probably would.
I would be interested in Thomas depending on the price. I'd much rather pay him $16M per year than Leonard Williams. I think that $21M cap hit does down in a trade.
Late round draft picks are criminally overrated on here.
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?
LW was a FA at years end. Thomas has 4 more years under contract.
the Patriots while you have pearl clutchers on here bemoaning that the Giants don't have their 5th and 7th round draft picks for 2021 and feel like they need more 5th and 7th round picks. Versus a player who could be part of the nucleus the next 5 years and contribute more quality more immediately toward a rebuild than any draft picks probably would.
I would be interested in Thomas depending on the price. I'd much rather pay him $16M per year than Leonard Williams. I think that $21M cap hit does down in a trade.
Late round draft picks are criminally overrated on here.
Exactly. How many more LBs do we need?!?
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?
LW was a FA at years end. Thomas has 4 more years under contract.
Right and he is making $15M+/year and is already 28. So for a team that will most likely have a new GM, you want to hamstring them a WR by giving up premium pick(s) when this team is no where ready to compete?
And we have a shit ton moving forward with almost no one to spend it on. We also have a QB who needs weapons desperately.
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Thomas is due a shit ton of money through the age of 31.
And we have a shit ton moving forward with almost no one to spend it on. We also have a QB who needs weapons desperately.
And if he was a FA that would be a different story. A team trading for Thomas will have to give up a premium pick and or picks. If there is a new GM coming in at years end, you want him to have those picks for next year.
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No way I'm giving up a top 10 pick. So another option would be multiple 2nd round picks plus some extras.
Swapping 2's and adding in mid rounders and I'm interested.
We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?
There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.
Speaking of trade...we having seen any trades in our FF league, Jim! WTH?
My ideal offseason is:
-another 2-3 nice value signings
-focus on where the draft takes you, 2021 class is strong at CB, WR, and C
but some of you miss the whole point, draft picks don't win football games, players do.
But you would rather use a draft pick, a premium pick on a college player and hope he someday becomes close to as good as Michael Thomas, instead of you know, actually acquiring Michael Thomas.
It's weird.
Yes, money is not irrelevant, but right now (and it's admittedly early for some rookies/young guys) but I don't see any player on the Giants worthy of a big $$$ second contract. No one. Not Barkley, not Jones, not Hernandez, not Peppers, closest is probably Slayton and as it stands right now in year 2 for him that's not even big $$, it's just he's worth a 2nd contract.
So, money really isn't much of an object right now.
Some of you are so incapable of thinking any way of rebuilding besides we have to get more draft picks, more draft picks, more draft picks.
Reality is only the first three rounds have a decent (and that's even relative) chance of panning out. for any GM. which doesn't mean don't make the picks, do it - Slayton is a good example of where they can work out, but don't fret not having draft picks if you give them up for long-term nucleus talent.
Michael Thomas IMO = good use of picks
Leonard Williams IMO <> good use of picks
but this is beyond unlikely and ignores the fact the Saints are still clinging to being in "win now" mode. I doubt they trade their best WR.
If the Saints AREN'T hanging up the phone - buyer beware.
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Can we please stop trading away draft picks? We are already missing our fifth and seventh from next year because of the idiotic trades for Williams and Yiadom. We should instead be trying to trade some players to recoup those picks so we have a better chance of rebuilding through the draft. You only make that trade if you are "one player away" from being a serious Super Bowl contender. That obviously isn't the Giants.
You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
The known values cost a lot of money on top of the picks.
You're probably going to dig your heels in and this whole conversation is going to go poorly for you, so I'll just say that this is a dumb idea and you might want to delete this thread before it deletes you.
but some of you miss the whole point, draft picks don't win football games, players do.
But you would rather use a draft pick, a premium pick on a college player and hope he someday becomes close to as good as Michael Thomas, instead of you know, actually acquiring Michael Thomas.
It's weird.
Yes, money is not irrelevant, but right now (and it's admittedly early for some rookies/young guys) but I don't see any player on the Giants worthy of a big $$$ second contract. No one. Not Barkley, not Jones, not Hernandez, not Peppers, closest is probably Slayton and as it stands right now in year 2 for him that's not even big $$, it's just he's worth a 2nd contract.
So, money really isn't much of an object right now.
Some of you are so incapable of thinking any way of rebuilding besides we have to get more draft picks, more draft picks, more draft picks.
Reality is only the first three rounds have a decent (and that's even relative) chance of panning out. for any GM. which doesn't mean don't make the picks, do it - Slayton is a good example of where they can work out, but don't fret not having draft picks if you give them up for long-term nucleus talent.
Michael Thomas IMO = good use of picks
Leonard Williams IMO <> good use of picks
but this is beyond unlikely and ignores the fact the Saints are still clinging to being in "win now" mode. I doubt they trade their best WR.
No, we'd rather have the next Michael Thomas on a rookie deal rather than trade for the expensive Michael Thomas because our GM lacks talent evaluation skills.
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The Saints would hang up the phone with these offers. If they put Thomas on the market, they are getting a 1st rounder plus. The fact that the Giants will have a top 3 pick most likely means that they wouldn't be a good trade partner. If they were to take a 2nd, there'd have to be another 2nd to go with it plus.
Speaking of trade...we having seen any trades in our FF league, Jim! WTH?
We've had 2 trades already, bruv
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.
We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?
There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.
UConn if they called looking to dump him for a 3rd OR a 4th, thats one thing... To consider. But to offer what will be a very high 2nd and 4th (in a very deep WR draft) for a WR who punched out a teammate and for the right to pay him the majority of a 100m contract when we are woefully inadequate in so many areas. Look at the Steelers, they draft their WRs in rounds 2 thru 5 and consistently have weapons on the outside.
We dont spend 15m a year on a WR when we still have 3/4 below average performers on the O-line, no pass rush, below average corners and below average LBs. Draft a WR this year, dont pay one what Thomas is getting paid.
We've had 2 trades already, bruv
We did? Why is it that I'm not getting any email updates...I may need to look at my settings. Thanks.
By the way...in the spirit of this thread, I just sent you a trade request...;)
Save the CAP money. Cannot commit to $18 mill for a guy having temper tantrums in NO. People were screaming about Beckham...
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.
We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?
There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.
No, we should not simply be trying to upgrade wherever we can. We should upgrade according to a thoughtful plan that includes a roster construction sequence, even if it's loosely built, that considers the mean timing for players at each position to reach their peak so that we stop acquiring players that are being wasted by attaching a brand new roof to a crumbling foundation.
They need to draft receivers...young, lower cost receivers would allow them to spend FA $$ on defense and continuing the OL rebuild.
They need to draft receivers...young, lower cost receivers would allow them to spend FA $$ on defense and continuing the OL rebuild.