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Trade for Michael Thomas?

Gordo : 10/14/2020 2:39 pm
Sounds like the Saints are getting tired of his act. He's still young and would do well here with Shep and Slayton. I would call up the saints right now and offer a 2nd and a 4th.
We need a WR that can dominate to help our young qb. Just like when we did when we signed plax.
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Obviously,  
Gordo : 10/14/2020 2:42 pm : link
this would be a building block type trade.
I was going to say hell no...  
RC in MD : 10/14/2020 2:43 pm : link
but if I was Gettleman, I would go all out and get someone like Thomas, especially when the price is relatively low (injury and his latest incident) to save his job.

Let's totally screw this season up!
No.  
AcidTest : 10/14/2020 2:46 pm : link
Can we please stop trading away draft picks? We are already missing our fifth and seventh from next year because of the idiotic trades for Williams and Yiadom. We should instead be trying to trade some players to recoup those picks so we have a better chance of rebuilding through the draft. You only make that trade if you are "one player away" from being a serious Super Bowl contender. That obviously isn't the Giants.
I wouldn't do the  
Gordo : 10/14/2020 2:46 pm : link
trade to save the season, more like we need talent to build on. Obviously this team has holes, but getting a receiver that defenses have to respect on top of hopefully getting a healthy saquon back next year would cover up a lot of warts.
So...maybe a 2nd would be too much  
RC in MD : 10/14/2020 2:48 pm : link
since it's essentially a low 1st rounder the way we're playing. But maybe a 3rd and 6th?
You are about to get slammed  
Thegratefulhead : 10/14/2020 2:49 pm : link
and insulted. I wont. I cannot believe that there is a player available in the NFL that a team this devoid of talent should pay draft picks to acquire. The Knicks are a joke. We are not there but the trend is scary. We need more picks not less.
Ummm  
figgy2989 : 10/14/2020 2:49 pm : link
Thomas is due a shit ton of money through the age of 31.
RE: No.  
Gordo : 10/14/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15008903 AcidTest said:
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Can we please stop trading away draft picks? We are already missing our fifth and seventh from next year because of the idiotic trades for Williams and Yiadom. We should instead be trying to trade some players to recoup those picks so we have a better chance of rebuilding through the draft. You only make that trade if you are "one player away" from being a serious Super Bowl contender. That obviously isn't the Giants.



You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.
RE: So...maybe a 2nd would be too much  
figgy2989 : 10/14/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15008907 RC in MD said:
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since it's essentially a low 1st rounder the way we're playing. But maybe a 3rd and 6th?


Ronnie, hold up, can't we just trade back to the Saints that extra second rounder from the Shockey trade? Win Win for both teams.
RE: RE: So...maybe a 2nd would be too much  
RC in MD : 10/14/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15008912 figgy2989 said:
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since it's essentially a low 1st rounder the way we're playing. But maybe a 3rd and 6th?



Ronnie, hold up, can't we just trade back to the Saints that extra second rounder from the Shockey trade? Win Win for both teams.


You sonofa...that's even a better plan!
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figgy2989 : 10/14/2020 2:51 pm : link
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.


You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?

i'd do a 6th rounder  
Platos : 10/14/2020 2:51 pm : link
and let them keep the conditional 2nd rounder we've been waiting on from the shockey trade....
is this indicative of him turning into  
giants#1 : 10/14/2020 2:53 pm : link
the next AB? Or the next TO? If he's just an unhappy diva WR, its worth considering. He's a top 5 WR and only 28. Plus you'd only be on the hook for:

2021: $12.6M
2022: $15.35M
2023: $15.5M
2024: $18.5M

+$200K workout bonuses each year

That's about $10M per year less than what Hopkins just signed for.

That said, the price is likely much more than a 2nd round pick (even #33 ain't getting it done).
You know who will trade  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2020 2:53 pm : link
for him?

the Patriots while you have pearl clutchers on here bemoaning that the Giants don't have their 5th and 7th round draft picks for 2021 and feel like they need more 5th and 7th round picks. Versus a player who could be part of the nucleus the next 5 years and contribute more quality more immediately toward a rebuild than any draft picks probably would.

I would be interested in Thomas depending on the price. I'd much rather pay him $16M per year than Leonard Williams. I think that $21M cap hit does down in a trade.

Late round draft picks are criminally overrated on here.
I don't think so..  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2020 2:54 pm : link
how much are you willing to bet he's not turning into Antonio Brown Jr.
RE: RE: RE: No.  
giants#1 : 10/14/2020 2:54 pm : link
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.



You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?


LW was a FA at years end. Thomas has 4 more years under contract.
RE: You know who will trade  
giants#1 : 10/14/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15008925 pjcas18 said:
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for him?

the Patriots while you have pearl clutchers on here bemoaning that the Giants don't have their 5th and 7th round draft picks for 2021 and feel like they need more 5th and 7th round picks. Versus a player who could be part of the nucleus the next 5 years and contribute more quality more immediately toward a rebuild than any draft picks probably would.

I would be interested in Thomas depending on the price. I'd much rather pay him $16M per year than Leonard Williams. I think that $21M cap hit does down in a trade.

Late round draft picks are criminally overrated on here.


Exactly. How many more LBs do we need?!?
a 1 game team suspension means he's on the way out?  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2020 2:56 pm : link
weird.
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figgy2989 : 10/14/2020 2:57 pm : link
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You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.



You mean like trading away picks to get someone like Leonard Williams?




LW was a FA at years end. Thomas has 4 more years under contract.


Right and he is making $15M+/year and is already 28. So for a team that will most likely have a new GM, you want to hamstring them a WR by giving up premium pick(s) when this team is no where ready to compete?

RE: Ummm  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15008909 figgy2989 said:
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Thomas is due a shit ton of money through the age of 31.


And we have a shit ton moving forward with almost no one to spend it on. We also have a QB who needs weapons desperately.
cap  
Simms : 10/14/2020 3:02 pm : link
Considering there is a several plays, if bold enjoy the Giants decide to cut could be interesting.
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figgy2989 : 10/14/2020 3:03 pm : link
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Thomas is due a shit ton of money through the age of 31.



And we have a shit ton moving forward with almost no one to spend it on. We also have a QB who needs weapons desperately.


And if he was a FA that would be a different story. A team trading for Thomas will have to give up a premium pick and or picks. If there is a new GM coming in at years end, you want him to have those picks for next year.
Sorry, Gettleman is in time-out  
LBH15 : 10/14/2020 3:21 pm : link
on any more roster building moves right now.

Check back in later.

Thanks
And why would he not cost  
rasbutant : 10/14/2020 3:21 pm : link
more than Beckham? or even Stefon Diggs???

No way I'm giving up a top 10 pick. So another option would be multiple 2nd round picks plus some extras.
I don't disagree  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2020 3:22 pm : link
but that isn't an absolute. I wouldn't give our #1 pick of course, but I'm atleast interested after that.

Swapping 2's and adding in mid rounders and I'm interested.
This is so fucking nuts....  
chopperhatch : 10/14/2020 3:26 pm : link
To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.

We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
RE: This is so fucking nuts....  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2020 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15008966 chopperhatch said:
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.

We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.


Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?

There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.
You guys are hilarious  
allstarjim : 10/14/2020 3:30 pm : link
The Saints would hang up the phone with these offers. If they put Thomas on the market, they are getting a 1st rounder plus. The fact that the Giants will have a top 3 pick most likely means that they wouldn't be a good trade partner. If they were to take a 2nd, there'd have to be another 2nd to go with it plus.
Just looking to see if they're interested in dealing him...  
RC in MD : 10/14/2020 3:34 pm : link
shouldn't be out of the picture, especially as we get closer to the trade deadline. With Thomas coming off an injury and him having this incident, it wouldn't hurt to at least see what they're interested in. Maybe give up Leonard Williams in a trade along with picks (I kid!..sort of). But seriously, it's worth an exploration.
RE: You guys are hilarious  
RC in MD : 10/14/2020 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15008972 allstarjim said:
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The Saints would hang up the phone with these offers. If they put Thomas on the market, they are getting a 1st rounder plus. The fact that the Giants will have a top 3 pick most likely means that they wouldn't be a good trade partner. If they were to take a 2nd, there'd have to be another 2nd to go with it plus.


Speaking of trade...we having seen any trades in our FF league, Jim! WTH?
absolutely not  
ryanmkeane : 10/14/2020 3:38 pm : link
this year's WR draft class is even better than 2019. Invest in a WR in rounds 2-4 and get a very solid talent there under a rookie deal.

My ideal offseason is:
-another 2-3 nice value signings
-focus on where the draft takes you, 2021 class is strong at CB, WR, and C
Of course it's not likely and the proposals on here  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2020 3:38 pm : link
mostly laughable.

but some of you miss the whole point, draft picks don't win football games, players do.

But you would rather use a draft pick, a premium pick on a college player and hope he someday becomes close to as good as Michael Thomas, instead of you know, actually acquiring Michael Thomas.

It's weird.

Yes, money is not irrelevant, but right now (and it's admittedly early for some rookies/young guys) but I don't see any player on the Giants worthy of a big $$$ second contract. No one. Not Barkley, not Jones, not Hernandez, not Peppers, closest is probably Slayton and as it stands right now in year 2 for him that's not even big $$, it's just he's worth a 2nd contract.

So, money really isn't much of an object right now.

Some of you are so incapable of thinking any way of rebuilding besides we have to get more draft picks, more draft picks, more draft picks.

Reality is only the first three rounds have a decent (and that's even relative) chance of panning out. for any GM. which doesn't mean don't make the picks, do it - Slayton is a good example of where they can work out, but don't fret not having draft picks if you give them up for long-term nucleus talent.

Michael Thomas IMO = good use of picks
Leonard Williams IMO <> good use of picks

but this is beyond unlikely and ignores the fact the Saints are still clinging to being in "win now" mode. I doubt they trade their best WR.
RE: You guys are hilarious  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15008972 allstarjim said:
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The Saints would hang up the phone with these offers. If they put Thomas on the market, they are getting a 1st rounder plus. The fact that the Giants will have a top 3 pick most likely means that they wouldn't be a good trade partner. If they were to take a 2nd, there'd have to be another 2nd to go with it plus.


If the Saints AREN'T hanging up the phone - buyer beware.
2nd and 4th  
Sonic Youth : 10/14/2020 3:43 pm : link
Is not nearly enough for Thomas. He's been one of the best WRs in the league - he'd require a 1st at least. Considering we'll be a top 5 pick, it'd probably require a 2nd, 3rd, and like a 5th/6th next year
RE: RE: No.  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2020 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15008911 Gordo said:
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Can we please stop trading away draft picks? We are already missing our fifth and seventh from next year because of the idiotic trades for Williams and Yiadom. We should instead be trying to trade some players to recoup those picks so we have a better chance of rebuilding through the draft. You only make that trade if you are "one player away" from being a serious Super Bowl contender. That obviously isn't the Giants.




You make it sound like our draft picks are worth value? with the way our drafts have been. I would rather trade the picks for a known value than get another Eli Apple or Evan Engram.

The known values cost a lot of money on top of the picks.

You're probably going to dig your heels in and this whole conversation is going to go poorly for you, so I'll just say that this is a dumb idea and you might want to delete this thread before it deletes you.
RE: Of course it's not likely and the proposals on here  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15008982 pjcas18 said:
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mostly laughable.

but some of you miss the whole point, draft picks don't win football games, players do.

But you would rather use a draft pick, a premium pick on a college player and hope he someday becomes close to as good as Michael Thomas, instead of you know, actually acquiring Michael Thomas.

It's weird.

Yes, money is not irrelevant, but right now (and it's admittedly early for some rookies/young guys) but I don't see any player on the Giants worthy of a big $$$ second contract. No one. Not Barkley, not Jones, not Hernandez, not Peppers, closest is probably Slayton and as it stands right now in year 2 for him that's not even big $$, it's just he's worth a 2nd contract.

So, money really isn't much of an object right now.

Some of you are so incapable of thinking any way of rebuilding besides we have to get more draft picks, more draft picks, more draft picks.

Reality is only the first three rounds have a decent (and that's even relative) chance of panning out. for any GM. which doesn't mean don't make the picks, do it - Slayton is a good example of where they can work out, but don't fret not having draft picks if you give them up for long-term nucleus talent.

Michael Thomas IMO = good use of picks
Leonard Williams IMO <> good use of picks

but this is beyond unlikely and ignores the fact the Saints are still clinging to being in "win now" mode. I doubt they trade their best WR.

No, we'd rather have the next Michael Thomas on a rookie deal rather than trade for the expensive Michael Thomas because our GM lacks talent evaluation skills.
RE: RE: You guys are hilarious  
allstarjim : 10/14/2020 3:47 pm : link
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The Saints would hang up the phone with these offers. If they put Thomas on the market, they are getting a 1st rounder plus. The fact that the Giants will have a top 3 pick most likely means that they wouldn't be a good trade partner. If they were to take a 2nd, there'd have to be another 2nd to go with it plus.



Speaking of trade...we having seen any trades in our FF league, Jim! WTH?


We've had 2 trades already, bruv
I don't think it's possible...  
BamaBlue : 10/14/2020 3:50 pm : link
to have enough toxic, disgruntled, over paid, prima-donna wide receivers. Do it.
RE: RE: This is so fucking nuts....  
chopperhatch : 10/14/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15008968 UConn4523 said:
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.

We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.



Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?

There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.


UConn if they called looking to dump him for a 3rd OR a 4th, thats one thing... To consider. But to offer what will be a very high 2nd and 4th (in a very deep WR draft) for a WR who punched out a teammate and for the right to pay him the majority of a 100m contract when we are woefully inadequate in so many areas. Look at the Steelers, they draft their WRs in rounds 2 thru 5 and consistently have weapons on the outside.

We dont spend 15m a year on a WR when we still have 3/4 below average performers on the O-line, no pass rush, below average corners and below average LBs. Draft a WR this year, dont pay one what Thomas is getting paid.
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/14/2020 3:51 pm : link
if they stick with DG (unclear) he's made it known that wants to build from inside out. A move like this would be counter to that, even though Thomas is a great player. We need to find our 1A or 1B type receiver in the 2021 draft.
Even if the Saints offered a 4th  
ryanmkeane : 10/14/2020 3:52 pm : link
I'm not sure I do it. He's making huge money through 2024. That's a massive commitment to make to WR when we are still building from within
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RC in MD : 10/14/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15008993 allstarjim said:
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We've had 2 trades already, bruv


We did? Why is it that I'm not getting any email updates...I may need to look at my settings. Thanks.

By the way...in the spirit of this thread, I just sent you a trade request...;)
Not just no...  
section125 : 10/14/2020 3:57 pm : link
but HELL no.

Save the CAP money. Cannot commit to $18 mill for a guy having temper tantrums in NO. People were screaming about Beckham...
Truthfully, if you read some of the "allegations" about his  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2020 4:05 pm : link
behavior, I would be more concerned there are other things going on. Saying things like - someone went through my stuff and is spying on me, arguing about tape jobs, being described as erratic could all be something bigger than a Diva issue...
Money wise he’d cost $15m per year  
BillT : 10/14/2020 4:09 pm : link
He could be cut any time without any dead money.
RE: RE: This is so fucking nuts....  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15008968 UConn4523 said:
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.

We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.



Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?

There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.

No, we should not simply be trying to upgrade wherever we can. We should upgrade according to a thoughtful plan that includes a roster construction sequence, even if it's loosely built, that considers the mean timing for players at each position to reach their peak so that we stop acquiring players that are being wasted by attaching a brand new roof to a crumbling foundation.
I respect the thought process, but no.  
Tom in NY : 10/14/2020 4:30 pm : link
The Giants are young team without many draft resources for 2021. They need to acquire more picks, not trade them away AND add an expensive contract (BTW, I wanted Thomas over Shepard in 2016 draft).

They need to draft receivers...young, lower cost receivers would allow them to spend FA $$ on defense and continuing the OL rebuild.
I respect the thought process, but no.  
Tom in NY : 10/14/2020 4:30 pm : link
The Giants are young team without many draft resources for 2021. They need to acquire more picks, not trade them away AND add an expensive contract (BTW, I wanted Thomas over Shepard in 2016 draft).

They need to draft receivers...young, lower cost receivers would allow them to spend FA $$ on defense and continuing the OL rebuild.
What about we trade Peppers and Lawrence  
adamg : 10/14/2020 4:37 pm : link
It's like two first round picks
The 2021 draft is LOADED with WR talent  
JohnB : 10/14/2020 4:43 pm : link
No
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