Sounds like the Saints are getting tired of his act. He's still young and would do well here with Shep and Slayton. I would call up the saints right now and offer a 2nd and a 4th.
We need a WR that can dominate to help our young qb. Just like when we did when we signed plax.
Rookie deals are 4 years. For players drafted in the past decade how many 2nd contracts have the Giants given out? 3? Beckham, Shepard and JPP? Were there more? and two of them were traded before making it through the second contract.
Obviously that isn't ideal, but even the consistently good teams give out second contracts sparingly.
When you have a player you can acquire like Michael Thomas, under contract for 4 more years after this one you get him if the price is fair. He'll be on the team as long as the 2021 draft picks probably will be.
What is a fair price is obviously subjective and therein lies the rub, but so many people seem unwilling to think outside the draft picks are the only way to rebuild box.
And if some of you think "the Giants aren't contenders they shouldn't be acquiring good players in FA or via trade" if you don't think it's possible the Giants can contend in the next couple years with smart moves and good coaching you are not putting the right expectations on the team.
Who is the last Giants OL, drafted that was given a 2nd contract? Snee in 2004? If so, 16 years without a drafted OL given a 2nd contract, but you people want more draft picks.
I would expect better from you.
Second, the Saints would want nothing less than our 1st rounder, which would be a top 3 pick (which they'd use on Lawrence or Fields). Definitely not worth it.
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To try and acquire a WR when we still cant give our QB requisite ti.e to throw nor rush the passer nor cover underneath routes.
We should be looking to acquire picks, not give them up.
Why is this an absolute? We should be looking to upgrade where we can. Just never pick up a phone call involve a trade?
There's almost a 0% chance this happens. I don't think we should give up what it would take to get him, but to flat out not be interested would be insane.
No, we should not simply be trying to upgrade wherever we can. We should upgrade according to a thoughtful plan that includes a roster construction sequence, even if it's loosely built, that considers the mean timing for players at each position to reach their peak so that we stop acquiring players that are being wasted by attaching a brand new roof to a crumbling foundation.
This is what I mean. At this rate, acquiring an asset like Thomas would cost us picks and salary at a time when we cant fully utilize his abilities.
If, as the plan was told, our O line was giving Jones tons of time, nobody got open and we were on the precipice of having a great offense minus a game breaking wide out, I would want to trade a 2 or 3 or both for Thomas because that means we have a humming offense for 3/4 years. But we arent there yet. We need to build thru the draft and keep salaries down
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It's like two first round picks
I would expect better from you.
Just joshing section.
And no one seems to even suggest on the outside that the play of Williams this year, in Graham's schemes is among the main reasons our D has improved from last to a top 10 unit.
No doubt the additions of Martinez, Bradberry and Fackrell helped immensely too, as well as a sizeable step up grom Lo Carter and situational effectiveness of Johnson...
But just acknowledging ANY OF THAT flies in the face of all the bitches' bemoaning the Williams deal, the real premise of which is to lambast Gettleman, because "this team hasn't gotten any better, they are 0 and FIVE!"
THERE have been plenty of missteps along the way, and a huge strategical miscalculation in the belief the team should try to ride Eli Manning one more year (or two). But there has been radical improvement on the defensive side of the ball, and the O Line is poised gor success in 2021 or 2022.
A total rebuild from the ground up takes time, and even more time because it wasn't acknowledged properly in DG's year one.
But to my eyes, it has indeed started, 0-5 or not.
What "so much trouble" he had a fight with teammate and he's recovering from a high ankle sprain. It was an easy suspension for the Saints buying Thomas another two weeks rest since they have a bye this week.
What other "so much trouble" is Thomas causing? Are there more examples? Football is a violent game, and players are so close throughout the season it brings out hasty, emotional reactions at times.
Second, the "diva" who here expects a team of choir boys, but also who have the confidence, swagger and yes arrogance it sometimes requires to excel in sports?
Everyone is not Jerry Rice or Eli Manning or Larry Fitzgerald - players who thrive and appear humble - some players their hubris is what helps them become great. Why stifle it? Don't let it be a distraction - but don't ask people to change who they are. Thomas has survived 4+ years before any incidents, but all of a sudden he's a cancer who can't fit on a team? GTFO.
It's the only reason I feel like culture and chemistry are important. You need players to be "unchained" and able to be themselves if that's what it takes to get the best out of them, but not be a distraction to the team.
but make no mistake, if Thomas is a diva WR, I'll take a diva WR all day. If the price is fair.
Lastly, it comes down to price. Without a fair price this pipe dream doesn't make good sense for the team, but I absolutely feel like the best WR in the game locked up for 4 more years should be attractive to any team, even a rebuilding team. People clamoring for "more draft picks, more draft picks" the odds of getting a Michael Thomas in the draft are small, even with more picks - especially the ones people are fretting over not having.
It's not happening, but it's a fun discussion I just wish people weren't so close minded about the options and path forward from rock bottom (if this is in fact rock bottom which it may not be).
And no one seems to even suggest on the outside that the play of Williams this year, in Graham's schemes is among the main reasons our D has improved from last to a top 10 unit.
No doubt the additions of Martinez, Bradberry and Fackrell helped immensely too, as well as a sizeable step up grom Lo Carter and situational effectiveness of Johnson...
But just acknowledging ANY OF THAT flies in the face of all the bitches' bemoaning the Williams deal, the real premise of which is to lambast Gettleman, because "this team hasn't gotten any better, they are 0 and FIVE!"
THERE have been plenty of missteps along the way, and a huge strategical miscalculation in the belief the team should try to ride Eli Manning one more year (or two). But there has been radical improvement on the defensive side of the ball, and the O Line is poised gor success in 2021 or 2022.
A total rebuild from the ground up takes time, and even more time because it wasn't acknowledged properly in DG's year one.
But to my eyes, it has indeed started, 0-5 or not.
Odd post. Nobody questions that LW wasn't an above average player. It was always about whether he is difference maker having to trade two picks for him and pay him over $16M this year which is by far the highest on the team. Particularly when you are investing in an area where we have two players much like him at DT already. The flow of dollars really needed to go skills that LW doesn't bring to the table like an ER or a better cover guy.
And before you "lambast" anybody else that questioned the LW deal, this Top 10 defense is actually 31st in third down defense in the entire NFL. That happens to be the down where you can use a plus ER or better cover guy.
What "so much trouble" he had a fight with teammate and he's recovering from a high ankle sprain. It was an easy suspension for the Saints buying Thomas another two weeks rest since they have a bye this week.
What other "so much trouble" is Thomas causing? Are there more examples? Football is a violent game, and players are so close throughout the season it brings out hasty, emotional reactions at times.
Second, the "diva" who here expects a team of choir boys, but also who have the confidence, swagger and yes arrogance it sometimes requires to excel in sports?
Everyone is not Jerry Rice or Eli Manning or Larry Fitzgerald - players who thrive and appear humble - some players their hubris is what helps them become great. Why stifle it? Don't let it be a distraction - but don't ask people to change who they are. Thomas has survived 4+ years before any incidents, but all of a sudden he's a cancer who can't fit on a team? GTFO.
It's the only reason I feel like culture and chemistry are important. You need players to be "unchained" and able to be themselves if that's what it takes to get the best out of them, but not be a distraction to the team.
but make no mistake, if Thomas is a diva WR, I'll take a diva WR all day. If the price is fair.
Lastly, it comes down to price. Without a fair price this pipe dream doesn't make good sense for the team, but I absolutely feel like the best WR in the game locked up for 4 more years should be attractive to any team, even a rebuilding team. People clamoring for "more draft picks, more draft picks" the odds of getting a Michael Thomas in the draft are small, even with more picks - especially the ones people are fretting over not having.
It's not happening, but it's a fun discussion I just wish people weren't so close minded about the options and path forward from rock bottom (if this is in fact rock bottom which it may not be).
Why would a team in contention be willing to trade the best receiver in football mid season for draft picks?
I will wait for the critical thinking.
My ideal offseason is:
-another 2-3 nice value signings
-focus on where the draft takes you, 2021 class is strong at CB, WR, and C
this works. Sign a FART or FA OL (maybe peart makes a move here) and draft into the strength.
But it also doesn't have to be for just picks. Why can't it be for players and picks?
The reasons they could are numerous and can include the fact the Saints will be in cap hell soon, are in win now mode, and proved this week they could win without him but their D is very mediocre to poor (maybe include Leonard Williams in the trade). but like I've said all along, it's not likely they trade him.