Like Romo and Boomer and Herbstreit and others say that in their opinion the Giants appear well coached, well schemed, and well planned. And if all that is true, then it means there's not enough talent. Which I think is obvious to most. And that's not Judge's fault.
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
team had to be stripped down and rebuilt not only from a player talent perspective, but coaching talent perspective, and a culture perspective.
I think he is a plus communicator to both media and it seems to players. He is extremely accountable - and you can hear his mindset when his coaches speak as well. Personally I think he needs some time and talent to move this forward.
An untalented team sucks. That's not necessarily due to bad coaching, but it's certainly not necessarily in spite of good coaching. I find him better in front of a mic than Shurmur or McAdoo, but I also think that's mostly window dressing anyway. It does concern me that Jones looks materially worse than he did last year, but I think it's silly to make much of 4 games.
I have very good vibes about him... and I want him to make the calls. I want him to select his GM and his entire staff and players. The only trhing I can't wait to know is his love and support for Daniel Jones... because I'm not sure he is really to best we can have at the position but I would love to be wrong about it.
Great teacher, great with media, mentally tough and sound.
We need to keep him and he needs to know we love him so we can thrive together!
his in-game situational awareness alone makes it a good hire. Add in that we are actually tackling again with plus special teams and his impact is easy to see. Wish he had more to work with but that's another conversation.
I see so far, his hands have been as tied as they could have been. New coach, no preseason no nothing to see what he is dealing with and for his players to see what the new systems will be. This has to be as hard as it gets.
A lot to like so far - team plays hard, trick plays!, defense improved
good clock management and in-game adjustments too. I wish the offense was showing improvement under his OC the same way the defense is under Graham, but hopefully that's the next step as Jones gets more comfortable.
He has had to deal with no off season workouts, new couching staff, no preseason, and a QB in 2nd year with second system to learn. Add in the need to find his players for his system. I see more player turnover next season as this year will be another evaluation period.
The fact that nearly everyone in this thread, and on this forum in general already loves him is kinda ridiculous. I don't have anything against him and hope he is the guy, but we are 5 games into his career, and he has lost all 5. The supposed franchise quarterback under his wing has regressed. The offense generally looks constipated.
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily his fault, but with all of this, how can anyone conclude that he is good? It's just wishful thinking that we didn't make the same mistake 3 times in a row based off of how he acts in press conferences.
Once again, I am not saying he's bad. I have no idea, but I think it's ludacris to start proclaiming that the 0-5 coach has the goods before he won a game
Positives
- In game adjustments: outside of SF, I think they've done a much better job than the past few seasons
- Accountability: seems to expect this from players and coaches. Case in point: Ratley
- In-game management: good aggressiveness on 4th downs, solid use of TOs, aggressiveness with trick plays
Negatives
- Kept Downs over Connelly
Might speak more to the coordinators than Judge, but I think it's been a mixed bag in terms of designing things to maximize a players strengths. I think Graham's done a decent job there, but Garrett and the offense seem lost. But some of that may be limited by the OL and inability of any of the TEs to block.
I like him. When he was first hired he was asked about certain
players like Barkley and Jones. He said he couldn't/wouldn't comment until he could assess everyone watch some tape etc, etc. I know many thought this was odd. Who wouldn't say Barkley is outstanding? But, he's consistent. When he gives an opinion on Jones, Barkley, Martinez, or whoever I believe him because even though we may call it coach speak I tend to have more confidence in what he says because I know he won't throw a player under the bus but get the feeling he won't say anything he doesn't believe. I Like Daniel Jones for instance. But Judge is very careful about what he says. I truly believes he thinks highly of him but he's not going to come out and say "I'm full bloom in love with the guy". He's reserved and consistent with his comments. I think the players respect that and him. I think the Giants hired the right guy. He's not talking about being 0-5. He's talking about getting better and seeing improvement. I think that's why he was hired. He's not guaranteeing a quick turnaround just confident he can teach and make his players better.
He’s a top tier next gen coach - little doubt in my mind
If this team had a modicum of talent, we would be running away with the division. We’re 0-5 and have had opportunity to win almost every game against developed programs.
I don’t know if I get the TC/Eli vibe just yet where DJ is his guy. As for Garrett’s offense, he’s got nothing to work with and it severely limits options. But we were humming this week when we had a semblance of a running game and broke 20 (and 30) for first time this season.
This is a developing season, but all arrows seem up on the coaching staff.
is his accountability. He does not shy away from the responsibility that it is his job to win games. He doesn't single out players in the media, but he does state in the media that the they will look at what worked and look at what didn't, and discuss with the players how they are going to fix it. I like to believe he never has to worry what he has said to a player because he is always honest and direct. It is for these reasons why we see an 0-5 team still fighting late in the fourth quarter of every game. They don't quit on their coach because he doesn't quit on them.
The positive take away for me is that I can see where this franchise is heading with Judge, and that looks like a bright future. I also like Jones, but even if you don't I think Judge is the right guy to turn this franchise around and one way or another at some point we will have the right players in place and this team will be winners. You can feel the life being breathed back into this team each weak, even if the losing is painful.
To be a quality head coach for the Giants if paired with the right GM. I think he's maximizing a roster bereft of talent at key positions. Outside of one game, they haven't looked like the Jets. I realize that's not a ringing endorsement, but he clearly gets the team to play hard and to the wire.
At this point, if he were to take control of the organization, what could be worse than the past several years?
RE: How could anyone have much opinion at this point?
An untalented team sucks. That's not necessarily due to bad coaching, but it's certainly not necessarily in spite of good coaching. I find him better in front of a mic than Shurmur or McAdoo, but I also think that's mostly window dressing anyway. It does concern me that Jones looks materially worse than he did last year, but I think it's silly to make much of 4 games.
Yup... I'm more glass half-empty than half-full right now. He's got the team's attention, that much we can see. But for how long? If the losing continues? They'll check out towards the end of the season if we still can't pull out games. Winning is the only tonic.
The positive take away for me is that I can see where this franchise is heading with Judge, and that looks like a bright future. I also like Jones, but even if you don't I think Judge is the right guy to turn this franchise around and one way or another at some point we will have the right players in place and this team will be winners. You can feel the life being breathed back into this team each weak, even if the losing is painful.
This so much. Can already see Judge is the best coach this team has had since TC roamed the sidelines before the game passed him by. Well prepared, good in game management, and keeping everyone accountable (the latter two TC could have done a much better job at in the latter half of his career). Refreshing to see a well coached team out there at least. Sucks we are losing, but it's really highlighted where our issues lie (personnel and those responsible for bringing them in).
The fact that nearly everyone in this thread, and on this forum in general already loves him is kinda ridiculous. I don't have anything against him and hope he is the guy, but we are 5 games into his career, and he has lost all 5. The supposed franchise quarterback under his wing has regressed. The offense generally looks constipated.
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily his fault, but with all of this, how can anyone conclude that he is good? It's just wishful thinking that we didn't make the same mistake 3 times in a row based off of how he acts in press conferences.
Once again, I am not saying he's bad. I have no idea, but I think it's ludacris to start proclaiming that the 0-5 coach has the goods before he won a game
That he has a plan for this organization going forward. I think that plan revolves around being a contender year in and year out.
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
That he has a plan for this organization going forward. I think that plan revolves around being a contender year in and year out.
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
No offense Joe, but you are HOPING that he is the real deal. You have hope because you like the way he has handled himself in the public eye.
The fact is that none of us know what he is doing with the team right now. None of us are in the locker room, none of us are on the practice fields, none of us are in the meeting rooms. We simply don't know, and we have not seen results yet, nor should we have expected much in the way of results yet. We really don't have enough information good or bad yet to make any kind of determination.
Bottom line, we are all HOPING he is the real deal. And that is all we can do.
But so far I’m optimistic. Didn’t like the no show vs SF but I thought last week he did everything he could do to get a win. Manages the game well. Manages the clock and TO’s well. Aggressive on 4th down.
That he has a plan for this organization going forward. I think that plan revolves around being a contender year in and year out.
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
No offense Joe, but you are HOPING that he is the real deal. You have hope because you like the way he has handled himself in the public eye.
The fact is that none of us know what he is doing with the team right now. None of us are in the locker room, none of us are on the practice fields, none of us are in the meeting rooms. We simply don't know, and we have not seen results yet, nor should we have expected much in the way of results yet. We really don't have enough information good or bad yet to make any kind of determination.
Bottom line, we are all HOPING he is the real deal. And that is all we can do.
Of course I don’t know. The OP, asked where do we stand. I believe he is the right guy, I hope I m right. 😄
Now that I've got your attention, I was referring to the Food Network show where they give good chefs a basket of weird, crappy food and expect them to make an edible meal. I feel for the guy, and I hope he stays here long enough to make us competitive and more. But, to paraphrase Parcells, GIVE THE GUY SOME GROCERIES!
RE: I continue to hear people that know more about football than me
Like Romo and Boomer and Herbstreit and others say that in their opinion the Giants appear well coached, well schemed, and well planned. And if all that is true, then it means there's not enough talent. Which I think is obvious to most. And that's not Judge's fault.
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
I'll agree with all of this. I'll take the opinions of people who played the game over fans who are impressed with press conferences.
Personally, I don't see much to get excited over...but he has nothing to work with. I don't think Garrett was a good hire.
in terms of optimizing the offense, but from the perspective of having a calming, experienced "mentor" for Judge (in the broader context of media and management) it would be hard to do much better.
And clearly he can communicate. Those are two great traits to have and his feel for the game seems fine to me. Player evaluation remains to be seen but there is a lot to like.
Hey think of it this way the only two very successful HCs we’ve seen here over the last 40 years each started off with a bad losing season. Guys like reeves and mcadoo won early then sucked.
RE: RE: I continue to hear people that know more about football than me
Like Romo and Boomer and Herbstreit and others say that in their opinion the Giants appear well coached, well schemed, and well planned. And if all that is true, then it means there's not enough talent. Which I think is obvious to most. And that's not Judge's fault.
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
I'll agree with all of this. I'll take the opinions of people who played the game over fans who are impressed with press conferences.
Personally, I don't see much to get excited over...but he has nothing to work with. I don't think Garrett was a good hire.
If I recall the inability to handle the press was a significant shortcoming of the previous two coaches
Are 0-5 and although they are still playing hard and saying the right things, if this continues I can see the players revolting given some of his old school tactics.
Are 0-5 and although they are still playing hard and saying the right things, if this continues I can see the players revolting given some of his old school tactics.
Any proof of “old school tactics”? This is often said, but I doubt it. Judge seems to be much closer to a players coach from what I’ve seen.
Are 0-5 and although they are still playing hard and saying the right things, if this continues I can see the players revolting given some of his old school tactics.
Any proof of “old school tactics”? This is often said, but I doubt it. Judge seems to be much closer to a players coach from what I’ve seen.
Agreed, the whole Judge is too old school storyline was a lazy invention by a few in the media. By all accounts, the players have bought in.
I think he’s doing a fine job with a tough hand he was dealt. The teams been ready to compete in every game, even though we’ve been largely overmatched. He had them ready to pull off that fake FG against Dallas, that was blown by one mistake.
Our defense has competed in most of our games, despite being woefully short on talent still.
Everything about the Giants is a work in progress, so Judge’s report card is incomplete. But I like what he’s doing so far.
He’s easier to like than the last two giants coaches for sure. It doesn’t mean there is any reason to say he’s doing a good job yet. Doesn’t mean there is any reason to say he’s doing a bad job either.
Any given Sunday and the like. There aren’t competitive 0-5 teams.
off to the worst start of a Giant head coach's tenure in 41 years. If they win Sunday, he would have garnered as many wins as the immortal Shurmur his first year at this point. If they don't, he is still chasing the 43 year old record. It is nothing but blind faith at this point to think Judge is anything but the next ham and egger HC here and latest fallen limb off the Belichick tree.
He has done one thing, however: encouraged misguided posters to try and rehabilitate the reputation of that moron McAdoo. We are seeing more and more posts concerning the glorious reign of Aaron Rodgers' barista lately.
And Garrett is still the same underachiever he was at Dallas, you know, when he was mocked by virtually everyone on BBI.
I think they finally got it right with Judge. I like his teaching approach. I like that the assistant coaches he chose are supposedly teaching coaches. I like his in game demeanor and decisions. I like that at half time there appear to be adjustments that work. I think he manages the game better than even TC.
I think Patrick Graham starts off too slow on defense - they look like they aren't ready early. But he corrects. Unlike many here, I like Garrett. I think he is trying to tailor the offense to what he has and as the oline starts to learn it, and specifically Gates learning center, he will be more dynamic.
off to the worst start of a Giant head coach's tenure in 41 years. If they win Sunday, he would have garnered as many wins as the immortal Shurmur his first year at this point. If they don't, he is still chasing the 43 year old record. It is nothing but blind faith at this point to think Judge is anything but the next ham and egger HC here and latest fallen limb off the Belichick tree.
He has done one thing, however: encouraged misguided posters to try and rehabilitate the reputation of that moron McAdoo. We are seeing more and more posts concerning the glorious reign of Aaron Rodgers' barista lately.
And Garrett is still the same underachiever he was at Dallas, you know, when he was mocked by virtually everyone on BBI.
Great take...SMFH
OP - not sure there is a reason yet to show faith in him
I think he's doing his best with this chicken shit team
He sure as hell ain't Vince Lombardi and no one is asking him to win. Shurmur, McAdoo, Coughlin, Fassel, Reeves, Handley, Parcells all took over teams with losing records and all had at least 1 win 5 games into the season. Parcells is the only one of those who didn't take over because the previous coach was fired.
This is a big game for Judge. We lose to Washington and the immortal Kyle Allen, and the questions are going to start getting asked.
I really hope he works out and is with us for a long time.
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
Other than the San Francisco debacle, those areas have been okay.
What he does about Jason Garrett's offense will be interesting.
Eventually the win loss record will be all that matters. I will give him at least three years to start winning if the team does.
I think he is a plus communicator to both media and it seems to players. He is extremely accountable - and you can hear his mindset when his coaches speak as well. Personally I think he needs some time and talent to move this forward.
Net-net, I'm on board with Coach Judge . ..
Great teacher, great with media, mentally tough and sound.
We need to keep him and he needs to know we love him so we can thrive together!
He’s going through some growing pains and I’m hopeful this season will be a good learning/growing experience for him.
He was brought in here for the long haul. The task was to build a winning program, it doesn’t happen overnight. I’m hopeful for Judge.
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily his fault, but with all of this, how can anyone conclude that he is good? It's just wishful thinking that we didn't make the same mistake 3 times in a row based off of how he acts in press conferences.
Once again, I am not saying he's bad. I have no idea, but I think it's ludacris to start proclaiming that the 0-5 coach has the goods before he won a game
- In game adjustments: outside of SF, I think they've done a much better job than the past few seasons
- Accountability: seems to expect this from players and coaches. Case in point: Ratley
- In-game management: good aggressiveness on 4th downs, solid use of TOs, aggressiveness with trick plays
Negatives
- Kept Downs over Connelly
Might speak more to the coordinators than Judge, but I think it's been a mixed bag in terms of designing things to maximize a players strengths. I think Graham's done a decent job there, but Garrett and the offense seem lost. But some of that may be limited by the OL and inability of any of the TEs to block.
I don’t know if I get the TC/Eli vibe just yet where DJ is his guy. As for Garrett’s offense, he’s got nothing to work with and it severely limits options. But we were humming this week when we had a semblance of a running game and broke 20 (and 30) for first time this season.
This is a developing season, but all arrows seem up on the coaching staff.
Jury is out. I hope he survives the re-build.
Jury is out. I hope he survives the re-build.
do you mean 7 years? Giants started 0-6 in 2013
At this point, if he were to take control of the organization, what could be worse than the past several years?
Yup... I'm more glass half-empty than half-full right now. He's got the team's attention, that much we can see. But for how long? If the losing continues? They'll check out towards the end of the season if we still can't pull out games. Winning is the only tonic.
This so much. Can already see Judge is the best coach this team has had since TC roamed the sidelines before the game passed him by. Well prepared, good in game management, and keeping everyone accountable (the latter two TC could have done a much better job at in the latter half of his career). Refreshing to see a well coached team out there at least. Sucks we are losing, but it's really highlighted where our issues lie (personnel and those responsible for bringing them in).
I'm not saying any of this is necessarily his fault, but with all of this, how can anyone conclude that he is good? It's just wishful thinking that we didn't make the same mistake 3 times in a row based off of how he acts in press conferences.
Once again, I am not saying he's bad. I have no idea, but I think it's ludacris to start proclaiming that the 0-5 coach has the goods before he won a game
+1
My thoughts exactly.
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
No offense Joe, but you are HOPING that he is the real deal. You have hope because you like the way he has handled himself in the public eye.
The fact is that none of us know what he is doing with the team right now. None of us are in the locker room, none of us are on the practice fields, none of us are in the meeting rooms. We simply don't know, and we have not seen results yet, nor should we have expected much in the way of results yet. We really don't have enough information good or bad yet to make any kind of determination.
Bottom line, we are all HOPING he is the real deal. And that is all we can do.
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That he has a plan for this organization going forward. I think that plan revolves around being a contender year in and year out.
I also believe he understands exactly where the Giants are in terms of his final goal.
He does not appear rattled or defensive even after the 0-5 start.
People here prior to the season had very low expectations. They were correct. Yet against a difficult schedule they have been in all but one game, with a chance to win.
They don’t know how to win.....yet. I just believe they are more competitive against upper echelon teams than they been for many a year.
I still believe that first win might lead to other wins, even some unexpected wins.
I see progress, I have been engaged in their games, invested, even feeling some of the nervousness I used to feel.
I believe Judge is the real deal and will turn this franchise around
No offense Joe, but you are HOPING that he is the real deal. You have hope because you like the way he has handled himself in the public eye.
The fact is that none of us know what he is doing with the team right now. None of us are in the locker room, none of us are on the practice fields, none of us are in the meeting rooms. We simply don't know, and we have not seen results yet, nor should we have expected much in the way of results yet. We really don't have enough information good or bad yet to make any kind of determination.
Bottom line, we are all HOPING he is the real deal. And that is all we can do.
Of course I don’t know. The OP, asked where do we stand. I believe he is the right guy, I hope I m right. 😄
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
I'll agree with all of this. I'll take the opinions of people who played the game over fans who are impressed with press conferences.
Personally, I don't see much to get excited over...but he has nothing to work with. I don't think Garrett was a good hire.
Hey think of it this way the only two very successful HCs we’ve seen here over the last 40 years each started off with a bad losing season. Guys like reeves and mcadoo won early then sucked.
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Like Romo and Boomer and Herbstreit and others say that in their opinion the Giants appear well coached, well schemed, and well planned. And if all that is true, then it means there's not enough talent. Which I think is obvious to most. And that's not Judge's fault.
I do not get the impression at all that he's in over his head and I hope he can turn it around because I think he has high potential as a coach.
I'll agree with all of this. I'll take the opinions of people who played the game over fans who are impressed with press conferences.
Personally, I don't see much to get excited over...but he has nothing to work with. I don't think Garrett was a good hire.
If I recall the inability to handle the press was a significant shortcoming of the previous two coaches
Any proof of “old school tactics”? This is often said, but I doubt it. Judge seems to be much closer to a players coach from what I’ve seen.
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Are 0-5 and although they are still playing hard and saying the right things, if this continues I can see the players revolting given some of his old school tactics.
Any proof of “old school tactics”? This is often said, but I doubt it. Judge seems to be much closer to a players coach from what I’ve seen.
Agreed, the whole Judge is too old school storyline was a lazy invention by a few in the media. By all accounts, the players have bought in.
I think he’s doing a fine job with a tough hand he was dealt. The teams been ready to compete in every game, even though we’ve been largely overmatched. He had them ready to pull off that fake FG against Dallas, that was blown by one mistake.
Our defense has competed in most of our games, despite being woefully short on talent still.
Everything about the Giants is a work in progress, so Judge’s report card is incomplete. But I like what he’s doing so far.
Any given Sunday and the like. There aren’t competitive 0-5 teams.
He has done one thing, however: encouraged misguided posters to try and rehabilitate the reputation of that moron McAdoo. We are seeing more and more posts concerning the glorious reign of Aaron Rodgers' barista lately.
And Garrett is still the same underachiever he was at Dallas, you know, when he was mocked by virtually everyone on BBI.
I think he's doing his best with this chicken shit team
I think Patrick Graham starts off too slow on defense - they look like they aren't ready early. But he corrects. Unlike many here, I like Garrett. I think he is trying to tailor the offense to what he has and as the oline starts to learn it, and specifically Gates learning center, he will be more dynamic.
He has done one thing, however: encouraged misguided posters to try and rehabilitate the reputation of that moron McAdoo. We are seeing more and more posts concerning the glorious reign of Aaron Rodgers' barista lately.
And Garrett is still the same underachiever he was at Dallas, you know, when he was mocked by virtually everyone on BBI.
Great take...SMFH
With that said, based upon the clueless front office that no one should have faith in, Judge is someone to at least put our hope towards.
I think he's doing his best with this chicken shit team
This is a big game for Judge. We lose to Washington and the immortal Kyle Allen, and the questions are going to start getting asked.