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Giants get #1 Pick, pass on Trevor Lawrence

Stan in LA : 10/14/2020 7:30 pm
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2021 NFL Mock Draft 5.0: Trevor Lawrence passed up at No. 1 by New York team

Today, sports seem to reflect society's disconnect from "normalcy," as athletes struggle to endure an immensely volatile year. College football is barely recognizable with disjointed schedules, and missing players who've opted out of the 2020 season. The pros are assailed with devastating injuries (Dak Prescott's gruesome ankle break) and Covid-19 related cancellations. As a result, scouting reports will overlook and overvalue players, and most likely lead organizations into making unconventional decisions. So, now that I've led with one of my more extensive scouting disclaimers, let's get into this week's "unconventional" 2021 mock draft.

01 Giants: Penei Sewell, OL, Oregon



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If that happened...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2020 7:38 pm : link
Oh boy. BBI server might be down for years.
That isn't happening  
BillT : 10/14/2020 7:41 pm : link
If the Giants don't want Lawrence someone will offer them a load of draft picks for that spot. With this year's draft investment in the OL they aren't going there again. You want to tell me there's a absolute stud edge guy that's worth the #1 then maybe. But not another OL.
There  
AcidTest : 10/14/2020 7:46 pm : link
are still too many variables to even begin to speculate what would happen. Some of those variables include:

(1) Who is making the pick?
(2) How do Jones and Lawrence perform the rest of the season?
(3) Do Jones or Lawrence, or both, suffer a season ending injury that will affects their ability to be ready to play next season, and possibly ever again?
(4) What are we offered in return for the pick?

As I've said, I think the discussion is likely moot because I don't think we'll end up with the #1 pick. The NFC East is historically bad. Prescott is out for the season. Allen is the starting QB for the WFT. Wentz has a long injury history, and hasn't played well. I think as a consequence we'll win anywhere from two to four games.
RE: If that happened...  
The_Boss : 10/14/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15009175 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Oh boy. BBI server might be down for years.


This. My 2021 golfing season would be in jeopardy too if this happened because I’d likely try to punch a hole through a brick wall.
If we do have the #1  
Mark from Jersey : 10/14/2020 8:03 pm : link
And we dont trade the pick we are taking Sunshine. No way to we use that pick for anyone but him if we cannot trade.
I they have the number and don't pick Lawrence  
montanagiant : 10/14/2020 8:05 pm : link
It's because they got a king's ransom in return for that #1 pick, not one player
I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2020 8:06 pm : link
We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.
Almost certainly a moot point  
BlackLight : 10/14/2020 8:08 pm : link
as we're not bad enough to get the #1 pick.
If that happens  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/14/2020 8:16 pm : link
The Mara family needs to sell their share of the team.
If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2020 8:18 pm : link
I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.
RE: I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
Scooter185 : 10/14/2020 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15009191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.


As i posted on reddit, those meaningless feel good games would haunt this team....hope we don't do it again
The Giants get the #1 pick  
mdthedream : 10/14/2020 8:21 pm : link
They will either trade Jones or trade down a couple spots and get a boat load of picks.
RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2020 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15009196 bw in dc said:
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I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.


If we end up with the #1 pick, no chance DG survives. Then again, he should have been fired last winter so... (shrug emoji).
RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
GMen72 : 10/14/2020 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15009196 bw in dc said:
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I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.


This! DG wouldn't take a QB and he's too stupid to negotiate a decent trade. Think of the dumbest move a GM can make...DG will make it.
I have a strange feeling  
eric2425ny : 10/14/2020 8:27 pm : link
Belichick is going to do something uncharacteristic and trade a boat load of picks to get Lawrence. No basis, just a feeling.
RE: I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
beatrixkiddo : 10/14/2020 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15009191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.


Haha exactly. Giants will luck themselves into a win or two and scree themselves out of the best player in the draft yet again, why? because we’re the Giants and I expect nothing less. Looking across the league I think it may come down to a race b/w us and the Jets for the #1 pick, and I’m sure the Jets will end up the benefactors if that for the extra punch to the gut.
RE: I have a strange feeling  
Dankbeerman : 10/14/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15009204 eric2425ny said:
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Belichick is going to do something uncharacteristic and trade a boat load of picks to get Lawrence. No basis, just a feeling.


more likely he will trade a 4th rounder for Dainel Jones or Sam Darnold and turn them into a HOF QB.
RE: I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
Saquads26 : 10/14/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15009191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.


Yep that’s exactly what’s going to happen. And it will probably be against Washington again. But at least we beat a division rival! 🙄
And if we lose that game to Washington  
Bill L : 10/14/2020 8:52 pm : link
Then the same people complaining about winning will grouse about that too.
RE: Almost certainly a moot point  
Carson53 : 10/14/2020 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15009192 BlackLight said:
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as we're not bad enough to get the #1 pick.
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I am not too sure about that, but if DG is still the GM,
does he give up on his Jones pick after two years?
As someone mentioned above, we have to see how this plays out, later in the year. I wonder if the Falcons will tank
for Trevor, he is from Georgia I heard. They just fired
the Mighty Quinn as well, so who knows?
RE: RE: I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
FStubbs : 10/14/2020 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15009208 beatrixkiddo said:
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In comment 15009191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.



Haha exactly. Giants will luck themselves into a win or two and scree themselves out of the best player in the draft yet again, why? because we’re the Giants and I expect nothing less. Looking across the league I think it may come down to a race b/w us and the Jets for the #1 pick, and I’m sure the Jets will end up the benefactors if that for the extra punch to the gut.


At this point I think the Jets are almost locks for the #1 pick, and we'll finish with a better record than Atlanta and Washington Team Football (depending on Sunday's game). And by better record, I mean 3-13.
RE: And if we lose that game to Washington  
Scooter185 : 10/14/2020 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15009224 Bill L said:
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Then the same people complaining about winning will grouse about that too.


Losing last year was going to hopefully accomplish two things: 1) Draft position and 2) Clean house.

Those meaningless wins cost the Giants in the draft and perhaps getting rid of DG last year. At least they punted PS
RE: RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15009201 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15009196 bw in dc said:


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I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.



If we end up with the #1 pick, no chance DG survives. Then again, he should have been fired last winter so... (shrug emoji).


Unfortunately, we are sitting on two likely outcomes by the end of this football season:

Like a cat with nine lives, Gettleman survives another year as Mara is sympathetic to the challenges of Covid.

Or...Gettleman "retires" and Abrams is handed the office keys to Gettleman's office. And Mara once again, in his mind, preserves the "Giants Way"...

While there is always a chance Abrams is actually good and competent, I suspect we will be back in this vicious circular error in three years.
Passing on Lawrence could be the correct strategy  
LBH15 : 10/14/2020 11:00 pm : link
but it would be from trading the pick.

Need a lot of upgraded players, folks.
I dunno  
santacruzom : 10/14/2020 11:13 pm : link
I actually wouldn't mind getting Sewell if he lives up to his expectations. A dominant LT for 10 years would certainly be a good get.
RE: RE: RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
chopperhatch : 10/14/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15009254 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15009201 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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In comment 15009196 bw in dc said:


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I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.



If we end up with the #1 pick, no chance DG survives. Then again, he should have been fired last winter so... (shrug emoji).



Unfortunately, we are sitting on two likely outcomes by the end of this football season:

Like a cat with nine lives, Gettleman survives another year as Mara is sympathetic to the challenges of Covid.

Or...Gettleman "retires" and Abrams is handed the office keys to Gettleman's office. And Mara once again, in his mind, preserves the "Giants Way"...

While there is always a chance Abrams is actually good and competent, I suspect we will be back in this vicious circular error in three years.


Dont you ever get tired of posting the same thing? There are really two posters who literally post the same stuff over and over and over as if their opinions werent clear enough. Its not that the thoughts are negative, but the board has heard you, associated you with the thoughts, yet no matter the discussion, it always come back to your singular, similar message.

Post some new material dude. Seriously, you were and are impossibly boring. Team stinks, we get it. But constantly yearning for the next man up to fail is kinda silly on a Giants fan board no?
I would prefer to trade the pick for a boatload of picks  
larryflower37 : 10/14/2020 11:17 pm : link
A team like Atlanta, Washington, Jacksonville, or Denver might be willing to trade up a couple of picks to get Lawrence.
I left the Jets out because they might be willing to roll the dice with Darnold also

I still believe you can win with Jones.
This, sadly, is how I see the future  
GeofromNJ : 10/15/2020 12:53 am : link
The Jets will get the first overall pick, will draft Lawrence, and for the next 15 years the Jets will rule the NY metro area and the Giants will be mediocre during all that time. This is the future that I see and I don't like it one bit.
Laurance  
mjl1658 : 10/15/2020 3:23 am : link
Why are you wasting your time and everybody's time?
The state of NY sports is  
Sec 103 : 10/15/2020 6:45 am : link
ABYSMAL !!!!
And it won't get better (football wise) for quite some time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
KingBlue : 10/15/2020 7:47 am : link
In comment 15009271 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 15009254 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15009201 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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In comment 15009196 bw in dc said:


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I fully expect him to do exactly what this article predicts.



If we end up with the #1 pick, no chance DG survives. Then again, he should have been fired last winter so... (shrug emoji).



Unfortunately, we are sitting on two likely outcomes by the end of this football season:

Like a cat with nine lives, Gettleman survives another year as Mara is sympathetic to the challenges of Covid.

Or...Gettleman "retires" and Abrams is handed the office keys to Gettleman's office. And Mara once again, in his mind, preserves the "Giants Way"...

While there is always a chance Abrams is actually good and competent, I suspect we will be back in this vicious circular error in three years.



Dont you ever get tired of posting the same thing? There are really two posters who literally post the same stuff over and over and over as if their opinions werent clear enough. Its not that the thoughts are negative, but the board has heard you, associated you with the thoughts, yet no matter the discussion, it always come back to your singular, similar message.

Post some new material dude. Seriously, you were and are impossibly boring. Team stinks, we get it. But constantly yearning for the next man up to fail is kinda silly on a Giants fan board no?



+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Gettleman is still in the GM chair...  
rsjem1979 : 10/15/2020 8:04 am : link
In comment 15009271 chopperhatch said:
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But constantly yearning for the next man up to fail is kinda silly on a Giants fan board no?


Counterpoint: "next man up" is a ridiculous way to run an organization that has been this bad for this long.

What would make anyone believe that Kevin Abrams would be an upgrade over Dave Gettleman, when he's been in the organization for more than two decades? He's been part of the problem, now we should expect him to be part of the solution?
RE: I agree with Acid that we don't end up with the #1 pick.  
section125 : 10/15/2020 8:07 am : link
In comment 15009191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We'll probably win a meaningless game in December that costs us, but people will be like 'We need to develop a winning culture', whatever the F that means with this 2020 roster. It'll be Chase Young redux.


You do understand that Judge and this staff are using this year to evaluate players for the future and developing those that they intend to keep for the following season. There is no such thing as a meaningless win. They have a bunch of extremely young players who will not tank. Young guys with unbroken spirit trying to win; maybe desperate to win. There is no way that Judge tanks games for a draft choice. Deal with reality.

If they go 0-16, Lawrence will be the pick. It will more than likely mean that Jones is not the QB of the future. If they win two or three they will pick top 5 and will likely have options for ER, CB, WR.
IMHO ....  
Beer Man : 10/15/2020 8:16 am : link
The only way you pass on Trevor is if you can trade the pick for a boat load of premium draft picks and players
RE: That isn't happening  
Giant4Life : 10/15/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 15009178 BillT said:
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If the Giants don't want Lawrence someone will offer them a load of draft picks for that spot. With this year's draft investment in the OL they aren't going there again. You want to tell me there's a absolute stud edge guy that's worth the #1 then maybe. But not another OL.

The Giants need to draft o-lineman high until they fix the line.
TL delcares and we have #1  
MotownGIANTS : 10/15/2020 9:18 am : link
we trade down and retool ... get a Edge rusher, 2 WRs, IOL and improve RB and CB depth.

Too many holes to fill to not trade down .... getting a new QB will not translate to more wins and a better team in the near future ....
I fully expect it  
Harvest Blend : 10/15/2020 9:25 am : link
we don't trade down it's not the "Giants way". That would be too smart.
unless you find out that none of his teammates  
PaulBlakeTSU : 10/15/2020 9:26 am : link
went to his 21st birthday party, Trevor Lawrence will be the #1 pick no matter who has it.
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Gruber : 10/15/2020 9:29 am : link
So dumb. If the Giants really top the Jets for #1, then it goes without saying Gettleman is out of the building. Joe Judge is smart and shows the characteristics of true leadership, so he isn't going to undermine Daniel Jones during the season, but I guarantee you in such a scenario he will jettison Jones for Lawrence, or just possible Fields. But Jones will be a goner.
I don't know how  
Dnew15 : 10/15/2020 10:17 am : link
DG can still be the GM of the Giants if DJ isn't the starting QB?

How else could you possibly evaluate DG and validate a reason for why he's still the GM.

To be honest - the same can be said if Thomas isn't the starting LT next year.
RE: TL delcares and we have #1  
Scooter185 : 10/15/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 15009368 MotownGIANTS said:
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we trade down and retool ... get a Edge rusher, 2 WRs, IOL and improve RB and CB depth.

Too many holes to fill to not trade down .... getting a new QB will not translate to more wins and a better team in the near future ....


If that happens everyone will be wishing the took TL instead when Jones is still giving the opposition a free 6 points every game.
There are so many silly takes here.  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/15/2020 10:33 am : link
"The Giants [or DG] NEVER trade down."

Well this coming year, the first overall pick will be Trevor Lawrence and some team will offer a crazy boatload of draft assets for him.

So, even DG would indeed trade down in that scenario, so long as Judge tells him DJ IS the Giants' future QB and he loves him.

If Judges wants Lawrence at 1 and wants to move on from Jones, that will in all liklihood happen as well. It would at the very least open the doors to a very serious conversation at Giants' Central, and that conversation, as much as anything else, could lead to DG stepping away... But I digress.

I find it interesting how often DG haters build Straw Men to hang Dave Gettleman in effigy.

There arent enough facts on the table to hang DG?
If we get the #1 pick and take Lawrence  
Bill L : 10/15/2020 11:47 am : link
then we will not have fixed the reason why we are picking #1. And, with Lawrence, we will be picking #1 again next season (and probably the next several after that).
DG has literally never..  
Dnew15 : 10/15/2020 11:49 am : link
never traded down as a GM.

The best predictor of what will happen in the future is to study the past.
Honestly  
GoDeep13 : 10/15/2020 1:54 pm : link
Fixing this Offensive Line has become my Moby Dick. I don’t want another season of poor O-line play. I may go insane.
RE: If we get the #1 pick and take Lawrence  
Gruber : 10/15/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15009559 Bill L said:
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then we will not have fixed the reason why we are picking #1. And, with Lawrence, we will be picking #1 again next season (and probably the next several after that).


What you have said applies right now to the Bengals. Andy Dalton was not the reason they were bad last season. They jettisoned Dalton for Burrow, but by your logic they should be picking #1 again in 2021.
They will not be picking #1 in 2021. You do know you get a draft pick in each of six rounds? #1 is not the only pick you get.
I seriously doubt Giants will pick number one  
5BowlsSoon : 10/15/2020 7:19 pm : link
They could end up with 2-4 wins.

I doubt the Jets even win one game. Not sure about the Falcons, but they may have a much better second half like they did last year.
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