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RC in MD : 10/15/2020 7:08 am
I am scraping at the bottom of the barrel in one of my league for a TE. H.Henry is on Bye this week, and I have D.Fells on my bench. However, I'm thinking I need to hit the waiver for a one game stop gap.

Available:
Z.Ertz vs Bal (waiver)
L.Thomas @ NYG (waiver)
C.Herdon @ Mia (waiver)
D.Knox vs KC
C.Brates vs GB
G.Everett @ SF
I.Smith vs Atl

I've put in a waiver claim for Ertz (his owner dropped him last night) but mainly in hopes that he will return to form, but it's not given that my bid will win.

I'm thinking either Brates or Everett, but both scare me since neither are starting TEs similar to Smith.
It's Brate not Brates  
robbieballs2003 : 10/15/2020 7:43 am : link
I'd take a chance on Everett.
RE: It's Brate not Brates  
RC in MD : 10/15/2020 7:49 am : link
In comment 15009312 robbieballs2003 said:
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I'd take a chance on Everett.


Yeah...too early in the morning...fingers, eyes, brain...not functioning in concert.

Everett? I mean Higbee has been sort of a let down thus far, so maybe Everett is the guy to use.

Thanks
Why is Ertz so bad?  
superspynyg : 10/15/2020 8:02 am : link
He has been a stud in years past and he is not old.


QUESTION
Is Juiio Jone past his fantasy Prime? I a, in need of upgrade Ing my wrs. The guy who had Julio needs a top Rb.
My team (non ppr)

Rbs McCaffrey, Jacobs, Gordon, Davis, Akers, Lindsey, Fournette, Edmonds and Michel (on ir)
Wrs Juju Lockett and Boyd.

Was thinking of offering Gordon and Lindsy for Julio?

Thoughts?
Ertz has to break out one day right?  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2020 8:09 am : link
him or Brate would be my guess.

I don’t like Julio Jones I’m fantasy. Hurt, no TDs, and Ridley is basically the 1a there now. Granted that package for him is cheap so you are upgrading your team. What other WRs does he have?
RE: Ertz has to break out one day right?  
RC in MD : 10/15/2020 8:15 am : link
In comment 15009329 UConn4523 said:
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him or Brate would be my guess.

I don’t like Julio Jones I’m fantasy. Hurt, no TDs, and Ridley is basically the 1a there now. Granted that package for him is cheap so you are upgrading your team. What other WRs does he have?


I've been trying to unload Julio for the past few weeks...no takers at all. Ugh.

Based on last game, I was thinking Brate or Everett, but then I saw Ertz on waiver. I put in $5 (out of $100 for the season), but I may up it to $10 since I still have $85.
RE: Why is Ertz so bad?  
EricJ : 10/15/2020 8:27 am : link
In comment 15009323 superspynyg said:
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He has been a stud in years past and he is not old.


he can no longer get open... period
RC  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 8:34 am : link
I'd try and get Ertz, he, like the others, is a roll of the dice, none of those guys (I don't think) are getting enough targets to be rostered permanently, but any of them can have a good game.

Does anyone believe Fulgham is legit? TD's back to back weeks and racked up the targets last week. Good size. Did you get him on waivers?

I got him in one league $11 (out of $200) so I figured what's the worst thing that could happen. I'm leery of these guys who come out of nowhere, but also sometimes they do come out of nowhere.
Here is a lineup  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 8:44 am : link
question for you all.

Which three players (WR1, WR2, and Flex) (PPR)

Fuller @ TEN
Moore vs CHI
Boyd @ IND
McLaurin @ NYG
Slayton vs WAS

Right now I have Fuller, Moore, and Slayton, but not sure if that's homerism and McLaurin is actually a better play than Slayton or if both are better players than Moore or Fuller. And Boyd is the #10 WR in the league in targets (tied with Slayton).


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pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 8:49 am : link
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McLaurin's worst game this year  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2020 8:50 am : link
was this past week and that was likely because Allen got hurt. If Allen plays then I start him, if not then I go Slayton.

Its a tossup though as he will draw Bradberry most likely.
RE: Here is a lineup  
GiantsLaw : 10/15/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 15009345 pjcas18 said:
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Fuller @ TEN
Moore vs CHI
Boyd @ IND
McLaurin @ NYG
Slayton vs WAS
Boyd for sure. IND is tough vs the run so CIN will be forced to throw.
RE: Here is a lineup  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15009345 pjcas18 said:
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question for you all.

Which three players (WR1, WR2, and Flex) (PPR)

Fuller @ TEN
Moore vs CHI
Boyd @ IND
McLaurin @ NYG
Slayton vs WAS

Right now I have Fuller, Moore, and Slayton, but not sure if that's homerism and McLaurin is actually a better play than Slayton or if both are better players than Moore or Fuller. And Boyd is the #10 WR in the league in targets (tied with Slayton).



Fuller always has that top 10 weekly upside, so I'd be playing him, even against a tough matchup.

The Bears and Redskins allow the 2nd and 3rd fewest fantasy points to opposing receivers. So I'd go McLaurin vs the Giants, even with the presence of Bradberry.

I hate Tyler Boyd this week and would not play him in most matchups. Looking at his remaining schedule, I might only consider playing him against Cleveland, Dallas, and Houston, (weeks 7, 14, and 16, respectively). He needs those pass-heavy game scripts to put up numbers, IMO, or he's just a meh possession guy, or low-end flex.

So for the third receiver, I probably go Slayton because he can get chunk plays, he has the speed to take it the distance, and he's Jones' #1, despite the terrible matchup. I don't love it but I think he has the safest floor and highest upside out of the remaining options. Really just don't like Boyd, and Moore, a little the same kind of thing as Boyd except it's more about the matchup this week with him.
thank you all for the replies  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 1:02 pm : link

Any thoughts on Fulgham? Fluke or roster value?

I'm trying to get Ertz he seems like a good buy low  
Eric on Li : 10/15/2020 1:12 pm : link
Higbee has sucked just as badly so hopefully 1 of them breaks out.

Anyone have any thoughts on Mark Andrews? 1 guy in my league has both him and Kelce, I'm trying hard to get Kelce (and willing to pay more) but he seems very willing to deal Andrews.
RE: thank you all for the replies  
RC in MD : 10/15/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15009673 pjcas18 said:
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Any thoughts on Fulgham? Fluke or roster value?


Ugh...I picked him up in two leagues just for shits and giggles at this point, especially after Claypool got picked up for $50 (out of $100) in one league (the owner is in last place and just has given up) and $20 (out of $100) in another league. Not even going to start him this week, but thought I would see how he does.
RE: I'm trying to get Ertz he seems like a good buy low  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15009685 Eric on Li said:
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Higbee has sucked just as badly so hopefully 1 of them breaks out.

Anyone have any thoughts on Mark Andrews? 1 guy in my league has both him and Kelce, I'm trying hard to get Kelce (and willing to pay more) but he seems very willing to deal Andrews.


I've had both. Higbee at least has a big game in his ledger this season. I would definitely acquire Andrews if I could. There will be down weeks, but he's a TD magnet, the anti-Ertz.

When Lamar is running around looking to throw, it's Andrews he looks to first.
RE: RE: I'm trying to get Ertz he seems like a good buy low  
Eric on Li : 10/15/2020 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15009703 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15009685 Eric on Li said:


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Higbee has sucked just as badly so hopefully 1 of them breaks out.

Anyone have any thoughts on Mark Andrews? 1 guy in my league has both him and Kelce, I'm trying hard to get Kelce (and willing to pay more) but he seems very willing to deal Andrews.



I've had both. Higbee at least has a big game in his ledger this season. I would definitely acquire Andrews if I could. There will be down weeks, but he's a TD magnet, the anti-Ertz.

When Lamar is running around looking to throw, it's Andrews he looks to first.


Yeah I tend to not love TD dependent players but I'm starting to come around. He offered me Ronald Jones straight up for Andrews and I was trying to push to add more for Kelce. I offered Devante Parker and I'd still prefer to get Kelce, but in terms of value I'm thinking the 1 for 1 is probably better.
RE: RE: thank you all for the replies  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15009700 RC in MD said:
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In comment 15009673 pjcas18 said:


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Any thoughts on Fulgham? Fluke or roster value?




Ugh...I picked him up in two leagues just for shits and giggles at this point, especially after Claypool got picked up for $50 (out of $100) in one league (the owner is in last place and just has given up) and $20 (out of $100) in another league. Not even going to start him this week, but thought I would see how he does.


I drafted and held Claypool (16th round keeper - I was hoping he had a strong 2nd half of the season to make him keeper worthy, didn't expect him to be relevant so soon).

I read about Fulgham, Wentz thinks he's legit, but obviously team QB speak, will be interesting to see, I think he could fill the Alshon Jeffery role on that team.

TD's back to back weeks and had 10 targets last week.
Would you make  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 1:56 pm : link
this trade (PPR)?

I send:
Keenan Allen
Terry McLaurin
Evan Engram

I get:
Christian McCaffrey
Le'Veon Bell
Jimmy Graham

I don't NEED Allen and McLaurin in my lineup and rarely include them.

RE: Would you make  
YAJ2112 : 10/15/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15009746 pjcas18 said:
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this trade (PPR)?

I send:
Keenan Allen
Terry McLaurin
Evan Engram

I get:
Christian McCaffrey
Le'Veon Bell
Jimmy Graham

I don't NEED Allen and McLaurin in my lineup and rarely include them.


Yes.
What about this trade?  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 4:28 pm : link
ppr

I send:
Jonathan Taylor
Tyler Boyd

I get:
Travis Kelce
Mark Ingram

My team today:
QB: Mahomes, Burrow
RB: Jacobs, Sanders, Taylor, Moss
WR: Allen, Moore, McLaurin, Fuller, Slayton, Claypool, Fulgham
TE: Andrews, Engram

I could start Kelce and Andrews (or trade Andrews).



RE: Would you make  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15009746 pjcas18 said:
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this trade (PPR)?

I send:
Keenan Allen
Terry McLaurin
Evan Engram

I get:
Christian McCaffrey
Le'Veon Bell
Jimmy Graham

I don't NEED Allen and McLaurin in my lineup and rarely include them.


If you are 3-2 or better, a 1000% yes. You will be much better off with McCaffrey + your replacements for your wide receivers than without them. Trust your ability to adequately replace those WRs. Much easier to do.

RE: RE: Would you make  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15009910 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15009746 pjcas18 said:


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this trade (PPR)?

I send:
Keenan Allen
Terry McLaurin
Evan Engram

I get:
Christian McCaffrey
Le'Veon Bell
Jimmy Graham

I don't NEED Allen and McLaurin in my lineup and rarely include them.




If you are 3-2 or better, a 1000% yes. You will be much better off with McCaffrey + your replacements for your wide receivers than without them. Trust your ability to adequately replace those WRs. Much easier to do.


McCaffrey owner rejected this and wants a 2nd round pick and Jonathan Taylor too - so I'm going to revisit it around the trade deadline. I need RB's who can play while Jacobs and Sanders have their byes.
RE: What about this trade?  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15009891 pjcas18 said:
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ppr

I send:
Jonathan Taylor
Tyler Boyd

I get:
Travis Kelce
Mark Ingram

My team today:
QB: Mahomes, Burrow
RB: Jacobs, Sanders, Taylor, Moss
WR: Allen, Moore, McLaurin, Fuller, Slayton, Claypool, Fulgham
TE: Andrews, Engram

I could start Kelce and Andrews (or trade Andrews).




I'm a hard pass here. RB position is volatile, and Mark Ingram is pretty much a fantasy non-factor this year. You'd be going into bye weeks with no RB depth whatsoever. And Taylor is a guy you want to have in your lineup weekly. There will be weeks where Andrews outperforms Kelce. You'd be giving up far too much for too little of an upgrade at TE.

Right now, Andrews is 2nd in points at TE, and 5th in FF points per game. Kelce is 1st in 3rd in those areas.

Last year, Andrews was 2nd to Kelce in FF points scored for the season. This trend looks to continue.

2019 Standard Scoring by TEs- Kelce 159.3 fantasy points, Andrews 145.2 fantasy points. And Andrews played one fewer game.

2019 Fantasy Points per game by TEs Standard Scoring Top 5:

Kelce 10.0 ppg
Kittle 9.8 ppg
Andrews 9.7 ppg
Cook 8.9 ppg
Hooper 8.8 ppg

I think the thinking that Andrews is a top 3 TE that is just a tick below the elite guys of Kelce and Kittle...I think that's correct. I was able to trade for him in a league I had Ertz and I'm glad I did.

Yeah  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 5:31 pm : link
Andrews is the 3rd TE in my league, but it's TD heavy, so not sure how sustainable it is.

Andrews is 3rd on 27 targets, Kelce is 1st on 46 targets, and Waller 2nd with 47 targets.

Andrews is closer to the pack (Jimmy Graham, Mike Giseki, Jonnu Smith, etc.) than he is to Kelce.

Still not thrilled with the trade until my bye weeks are over, but I view Kelce is a clearly better fantasy TE than Andrews.
RE: Yeah  
Eric on Li : 10/15/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15009945 pjcas18 said:
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Andrews is the 3rd TE in my league, but it's TD heavy, so not sure how sustainable it is.

Andrews is 3rd on 27 targets, Kelce is 1st on 46 targets, and Waller 2nd with 47 targets.

Andrews is closer to the pack (Jimmy Graham, Mike Giseki, Jonnu Smith, etc.) than he is to Kelce.

Still not thrilled with the trade until my bye weeks are over, but I view Kelce is a clearly better fantasy TE than Andrews.


I tend to agree. Kelce is an elite producer regardless of position, and he just so happens to have eligibility at the hardest position to fill. Andrews is a solid producer who gets valued up due to his position. But you can easily find a WR on waivers most weeks who can come close to what you get with him if we were talking about a flex.

Boyd seems pretty irrelevant for your team, and IMO I'd much rather have 46 targets on the Chiefs offense at TE than Taylor at flex or for the occasional bye. So I would do that trade and expect that at some point if necessary Andrews will be tradeable for a RB, hopefully grabbing someone on the upswing for the home stretch and shipping Andrews to a team that you may not even need to face.

Btw I'm negotiating with an owner who has both TEs in my league. He offered me Ronald Jones straight up for Andrews. I countered trying to do Jones (or Singletary) + Devante Parker for Kelce and he shot that down though admitted it was fair. We will probably do a 1 for 1 Andrews deal, and I suspect you'd be able to find something similar down the road if you needed to.
RE: Yeah  
allstarjim : 10/16/2020 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15009945 pjcas18 said:
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Andrews is the 3rd TE in my league, but it's TD heavy, so not sure how sustainable it is.

Andrews is 3rd on 27 targets, Kelce is 1st on 46 targets, and Waller 2nd with 47 targets.

Andrews is closer to the pack (Jimmy Graham, Mike Giseki, Jonnu Smith, etc.) than he is to Kelce.

Still not thrilled with the trade until my bye weeks are over, but I view Kelce is a clearly better fantasy TE than Andrews.


I think Andrews is unique because of the offense he's in. I believe he's going to continue to score TDs at a similar rate as he has been for the last 20 games. Of course I'd still want Kelce and Kittle before him. I think Jonnu Smith is going to be a top 5 TE this year as well.
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