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Whenever DG gets replaced, who do you guys want?

LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/15/2020 10:05 am
Whether DG "steps down" or gets fired, who are some candidates you guys would like to see? I know Abrams is probably on the short list of early candidates much to my dismay.

Who are outside the box hires IF Gettleman is released or resigns?
It doesn't matter  
David B. : 10/15/2020 10:06 am : link
who we want.
It’s Abrams  
Tuckrule : 10/15/2020 10:07 am : link
I would like the nfl to step in and give us a GM. Seemed to have worked in the past
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2020 10:08 am : link
I don't think DG is going anywhere, but if they do let him go I've got three names:

Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel
Ive been around BBI long enough to know  
NoPeanutz : 10/15/2020 10:08 am : link
they'll want the guy who comes after the guy who replaces DG. And won't settle for anything less!
don't know  
terz22 : 10/15/2020 10:10 am : link
but I just hope its someone outside of the organization. But that seems like a pipe dream.
Monti Ossenfort  
NYG22 : 10/15/2020 10:11 am : link
He's the Director of Player Personnel with the Titans and he and Judge have a good relationship from their Pats days
A monkey throwing darts at a board  
Spider43 : 10/15/2020 10:14 am : link
Would be an improvement. So it really doesn't matter to me. Anyone but Getts.
RE: Monti Ossenfort  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15009432 NYG22 said:
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He's the Director of Player Personnel with the Titans and he and Judge have a good relationship from their Pats days

Ossenfort is a good call. Pats connection when he was the director of college scouting for them when Judge was on the staff
No idea  
Johnny5 : 10/15/2020 10:15 am : link
I'd have to imagine all or most of our scouting department sucks as well.

Depressing.
RE: ...  
Saquads26 : 10/15/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 15009427 ryanmkeane said:
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I don't think DG is going anywhere, but if they do let him go I've got three names:

Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel


DG is gone, it’s just a matter of when
RE: Monti Ossenfort  
Sean : 10/15/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 15009432 NYG22 said:
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He's the Director of Player Personnel with the Titans and he and Judge have a good relationship from their Pats days


This. Ossenfort has been suggested by Breer a few times. I could see Dimitroff being a candidate as well.

BBI does not care who it is...  
EricJ : 10/15/2020 10:23 am : link
until the guy does not work out... then they care who it is.
Its likely Abrams but  
GIANTS128 : 10/15/2020 10:24 am : link
I dont know how a reasonable person can see the solution will come from within the organization. I think what doesnt get discussed here enough is how bad our scouting department is. When was the last time we found a diamond in the rough? You have to find guys in the 3rd round an lower who can contribute. They dont need to be stars. However it seems this is something we have not been able to do.
This article from last December throws out a few names  
LBH15 : 10/15/2020 10:24 am : link
with good ol' Kevin Abrams at the top of the list.

https://sny.tv/articles/10-potential-candidates-for-giants-gm-job-if-team-parts-with-dave-gettleman
Saquadz  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2020 10:24 am : link
lots of posters making proclamations and predictions as if they are entrenched in fact, both on players on this roster and DG, need to chill out a bit.
Anyone who actually helped construct  
lax counsel : 10/15/2020 10:25 am : link
A roster like the Bills, Chiefs, Titans, Ravens...
Someone outside the 'Giants family'  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2020 10:29 am : link
Who can come in with clear eyes & a vision on how to improve the organization as a whole. No more hiring Accorsi as a consultant to pick his buddy. Enough of that.
Hiring Abrams...  
EricJ : 10/15/2020 10:31 am : link
would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.
Ossenfort makes a ton of sense  
Optimus-NY : 10/15/2020 10:33 am : link
Team him with Judge. Rebuild this organization from top to bottom.
RE: Hiring Abrams...  
Harvest Blend : 10/15/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 15009462 EricJ said:
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would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.


Well that's one way to put it. :)
RE: Hiring Abrams...  
Johnny5 : 10/15/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 15009462 EricJ said:
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would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.

This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.
RE: Hiring Abrams...  
LBH15 : 10/15/2020 10:45 am : link
In comment 15009462 EricJ said:
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would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.


Not a great analogy
I think it's gonna be Chris Mara  
GManinDC : 10/15/2020 10:54 am : link
...
RE: Its likely Abrams but  
giants#1 : 10/15/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 15009450 GIANTS128 said:
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I dont know how a reasonable person can see the solution will come from within the organization. I think what doesnt get discussed here enough is how bad our scouting department is. When was the last time we found a diamond in the rough? You have to find guys in the 3rd round an lower who can contribute. They dont need to be stars. However it seems this is something we have not been able to do.


Like a 5th rd WR putting up 740 yds and 8 TDs in his rookie season and following that up with 365 yds and 2 TDs through 5 games?
Anyone but Abrams  
cjac : 10/15/2020 11:00 am : link
its gonna be the same shit

clean house
and while 'diamonds in the rough' help  
giants#1 : 10/15/2020 11:09 am : link
They're meaningless if you don't get strong contributions from your 1st/2nd round picks. Since 2014:

Beckham - gone
Richburg - gone
Flowers - bust/gone
Collins - gone
Apple - bust/gone
Shepard - would be a B/B+ if he could stay healthy
Engram - well below expectations
Tomlinson - B+/A-
Barkley - hurt, no where close to expectations (to date)
Hernandez - B-/B as of now
Jones - TBD
Lawrence - good pick
Baker - bust
Thomas - too early
McKinney - too early; injured

15 players selected over 7 drafts. Hard to argue any of those players have exceeded expectations for their draft slot, except maybe Tomlinson (Beckham too but he's no longer on the team). And even worse, there's basically only 4 guys (SS, DT, WH, DL) that look like quality picks. Even putting Jones and the rookies aside, that's 4 starters (no pro bowlers) out of 12 picks.
and making that list worse  
giants#1 : 10/15/2020 11:18 am : link
outside of 2017 (Engram's year) they were picking in the top 12 each draft.
Want...I'll play.  
Thegratefulhead : 10/15/2020 11:18 am : link
Bill Belichick.
You know what  
superspynyg : 10/15/2020 11:19 am : link
If they fo interview Abrahms i bet he says that he did not agree with DJ at 6 and would have picked The DE Allen and he did not want Thonas (if he continues to struggle). Amongst other questionable picks

He will do this so he does not look like a DG clone.

There is no way on earth  
Oscar : 10/15/2020 11:24 am : link
The answer can be Abrams. They couldn’t sell that shit to the fans. The implication of that would be that the Giants in house personnel department is so talented that the best option is always in house. The best option when Reese failed was Accorsi’s other assistant, Gettleman. He fails, the best replacement option is the guy who worked under both Reese and Gettleman. Searched far and wide but couldn’t find anyone better.

Who better than a cap expert who’s been on a staff that built losers eight of the last nine seasons? Can’t think of anyone.

In all honesty this is the most difficult hire for fans to make the call on, but Mara should be working the phones every damn day to figure it out. I have very little faith though.
Nice list of starters  
GManinDC : 10/15/2020 11:42 am : link
All of picks prior to 2018 are starting either here or on another team. Go figure..
I wish j knew  
cokeduplt : 10/15/2020 11:48 am : link
It’s hard for fans to know what executives are good. I was ok with the DG hire eventhough many here explained I shouldn’t be. They were right obviously. Not abrams is all I can say at this point
Abrams is an accountant.  
FStubbs : 10/15/2020 11:49 am : link
If he's the next GM it's pointless because the same rotten front office would be making the picks.
Yeh our problem lately hasn’t been finding diamonds in rough  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2020 12:02 pm : link
Problem is our 1st 2nd rd picks have been hit or miss. Lawrence is really the only one that exceeded expectations of draft slot.
RE: There is no way on earth  
EricJ : 10/15/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15009526 Oscar said:
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Mara should be working the phones every damn day to figure it out.


Phone calls are not fixing this unless he has a direct line into God
Ed Dodds  
Les in TO : 10/15/2020 12:05 pm : link
Or Elliot Wolf. Mara needs to do the heavy lifting this time around. The process in 2018 was a joke. hiring an obnoxious , unemployed Alte Kaker buddy , based on recommendations from a consultant buddy, after interviewing just one external candidate is no way to recruit for a key organizational position and is managerial incompetence or laziness.
Reese is still out there  
PatersonPlank : 10/15/2020 12:19 pm : link
.
I'd let Judge pick  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 12:56 pm : link
Seriously. That might mean Ossenfort, maybe someone else. But I'd let him hand-pick his guy.
The guy who pumps my gas  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/15/2020 1:22 pm : link
Anyone is better than the crap running this franchise. Cut off the head and get a new one
Whoever you like as the outstanding pick, you can be sure that he  
Ivan15 : 10/15/2020 1:25 pm : link
Won’t be available when the time comes.
Knowing Mara  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/15/2020 1:30 pm : link
I don’t think he brings in a first time GM. I’d expect an experience GM.
I thought the player personnel guy for the NIners.....  
GiantBlue : 10/15/2020 2:10 pm : link
Their depth when they played us earlier this season was damned impressive. It felt and feels like their roster is strong up and down the full 53.
Louis Riddick?  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/15/2020 4:21 pm : link
any thoughts on him
Riddick  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2020 5:52 pm : link
seems like a smart dude but he was banging the table for Haskins and ultimately criticized teams for passing on him. That might be the reason he never gets hired anywhere
Would not be upset about Ossenfort  
NoGainDayne : 10/15/2020 7:31 pm : link
but ideally i'd want someone in the Ravens organization. Judge already has a sense of what the Pats do and it seems like what the Ravens are doing is more modern than the Pats as well according to the league.

I would honestly look at everyone in upper management for the Ravens. The guy that really intrigues me is Vince Newsome, as a former player he could be the kind of guy that the Giants get comfortable with but someone that has seen the rise of tech in an organization.

I'd also look at

Pat Moriarty who is their cap expert but also looks at broader asset allocation questions like draft day trades.

Their two personnel directors Joe Hortiz and George Kokinis

Then David McDonald, Director of Research & Development
RE: It’s Abrams  
BlackLight : 10/15/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15009425 Tuckrule said:
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I would like the nfl to step in and give us a GM. Seemed to have worked in the past


It worked out in the long run, but in this era, no GM is going to get the leash that George Young got. The team went 6-10, 4-12, 9-7 (playoffs), 4-5, and 3-12-1 in his first five years.
I think Brett Veach is a...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2020 8:40 pm : link
tremendous GM for the Chiefs. And I think they are in very good hands with Ryne Nutt their Director of College Scouting. So toss him in the mix.

I have always been very fond of Will McClay the Head of Player Personnel for Dallas. He is the brains behind many years of tremendous drafting. Guy has a great, great eye...Our draft hit success rate would go way up with McClay.
Scott Pioli  
djm : 10/15/2020 8:41 pm : link
Used to be linked to NYG years back. He was with the pats for years when they started their dynasty during the 2000s. Then as GM of the chiefs but didn’t fare very well. Had more bad than good there. Then went to ATL and helped build that good team that lost a close super bowl to the pats. He stepped down in May 2019 amidst some speculation he was looking at the jets GM or some other GM job. He might be a name to keep an eye on although I’m not sure he’s the answer. Not sure who is honestly.
Link - ( New Window )
Whoever it is  
jeff57 : 10/16/2020 6:04 am : link
Should have not worked a day in his life for the Giants. The only way to turn this thing around is to bring in someone with no ties to the organization.
RE: Louis Riddick?  
Sean : 10/16/2020 7:42 am : link
In comment 15009886 MartyNJ1969 said:
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any thoughts on him


Big pass on Riddick. He’s been on record saying he would have taken Saquon & Haskins in the 18/19 drafts.
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/16/2020 8:50 am : link
I think we definitely need to consult with Accorsi first.
The Ravens’ Hortiz and Kokonis  
cosmicj : 10/16/2020 9:22 am : link
Are the guys I have my eyes on.
This is a very young team that  
SleepyOwl : 10/16/2020 10:11 am : link
with the exception of the 49ers game has been very competitive. Wondering if this is still a topic for discussion if Cam Fleming could get his fat ass in a squat or if Damien Ratley could run a route without drawing a PI flag.
I'm probably the only one  
kelsto811 : 10/16/2020 10:20 am : link
who wants to hand the whole car to Judge
RE: I'm probably the only one  
bw in dc : 10/16/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 15010346 kelsto811 said:
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who wants to hand the whole car to Judge


I've tossed that around, too. Hell he might be great at both roles. He can't be any worse than Gettleman at this point.
You need to do what was done when GY was hired:  
Optimus-NY : 10/17/2020 11:37 am : link
Get a young executive from a solid program, a la Judge. Get someone in his 40s who comes highly recommended. This is a multi-year rebuild.
RE: RE: Hiring Abrams...  
chopperhatch : 10/17/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15009471 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 15009462 EricJ said:


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would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.


This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.


I dont care about the GM anymore. I just want to try this.
RE: I'd let Judge pick  
chopperhatch : 10/17/2020 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15009661 allstarjim said:
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Seriously. That might mean Ossenfort, maybe someone else. But I'd let him hand-pick his guy.


Im not necessarily on board with letting Judge pick his GM, but this would be a nice compromise. That and I LOVE the Titans model for building a team. Would be ecstatic with a team that is tough up front first and can scheme around the QB.
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