Whether DG "steps down" or gets fired, who are some candidates you guys would like to see? I know Abrams is probably on the short list of early candidates much to my dismay.
Who are outside the box hires IF Gettleman is released or resigns?
I don't think DG is going anywhere, but if they do let him go I've got three names:
Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel
I don't think DG is going anywhere, but if they do let him go I've got three names:
Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel
I dont know how a reasonable person can see the solution will come from within the organization. I think what doesnt get discussed here enough is how bad our scouting department is. When was the last time we found a diamond in the rough? You have to find guys in the 3rd round an lower who can contribute. They dont need to be stars. However it seems this is something we have not been able to do.
This article from last December throws out a few names
lots of posters making proclamations and predictions as if they are entrenched in fact, both on players on this roster and DG, need to chill out a bit.
Who can come in with clear eyes & a vision on how to improve the organization as a whole. No more hiring Accorsi as a consultant to pick his buddy. Enough of that.
would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.
This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.
I dont know how a reasonable person can see the solution will come from within the organization. I think what doesnt get discussed here enough is how bad our scouting department is. When was the last time we found a diamond in the rough? You have to find guys in the 3rd round an lower who can contribute. They dont need to be stars. However it seems this is something we have not been able to do.
Like a 5th rd WR putting up 740 yds and 8 TDs in his rookie season and following that up with 365 yds and 2 TDs through 5 games?
They're meaningless if you don't get strong contributions from your 1st/2nd round picks. Since 2014:
Beckham - gone
Richburg - gone
Flowers - bust/gone
Collins - gone
Apple - bust/gone
Shepard - would be a B/B+ if he could stay healthy
Engram - well below expectations
Tomlinson - B+/A-
Barkley - hurt, no where close to expectations (to date)
Hernandez - B-/B as of now
Jones - TBD
Lawrence - good pick
Baker - bust
Thomas - too early
McKinney - too early; injured
15 players selected over 7 drafts. Hard to argue any of those players have exceeded expectations for their draft slot, except maybe Tomlinson (Beckham too but he's no longer on the team). And even worse, there's basically only 4 guys (SS, DT, WH, DL) that look like quality picks. Even putting Jones and the rookies aside, that's 4 starters (no pro bowlers) out of 12 picks.
If they fo interview Abrahms i bet he says that he did not agree with DJ at 6 and would have picked The DE Allen and he did not want Thonas (if he continues to struggle). Amongst other questionable picks
He will do this so he does not look like a DG clone.
The answer can be Abrams. They couldn’t sell that shit to the fans. The implication of that would be that the Giants in house personnel department is so talented that the best option is always in house. The best option when Reese failed was Accorsi’s other assistant, Gettleman. He fails, the best replacement option is the guy who worked under both Reese and Gettleman. Searched far and wide but couldn’t find anyone better.
Who better than a cap expert who’s been on a staff that built losers eight of the last nine seasons? Can’t think of anyone.
In all honesty this is the most difficult hire for fans to make the call on, but Mara should be working the phones every damn day to figure it out. I have very little faith though.
It’s hard for fans to know what executives are good. I was ok with the DG hire eventhough many here explained I shouldn’t be. They were right obviously. Not abrams is all I can say at this point
Or Elliot Wolf. Mara needs to do the heavy lifting this time around. The process in 2018 was a joke. hiring an obnoxious , unemployed Alte Kaker buddy , based on recommendations from a consultant buddy, after interviewing just one external candidate is no way to recruit for a key organizational position and is managerial incompetence or laziness.
seems like a smart dude but he was banging the table for Haskins and ultimately criticized teams for passing on him. That might be the reason he never gets hired anywhere
but ideally i'd want someone in the Ravens organization. Judge already has a sense of what the Pats do and it seems like what the Ravens are doing is more modern than the Pats as well according to the league.
I would honestly look at everyone in upper management for the Ravens. The guy that really intrigues me is Vince Newsome, as a former player he could be the kind of guy that the Giants get comfortable with but someone that has seen the rise of tech in an organization.
I'd also look at
Pat Moriarty who is their cap expert but also looks at broader asset allocation questions like draft day trades.
Their two personnel directors Joe Hortiz and George Kokinis
Then David McDonald, Director of Research & Development
I would like the nfl to step in and give us a GM. Seemed to have worked in the past
It worked out in the long run, but in this era, no GM is going to get the leash that George Young got. The team went 6-10, 4-12, 9-7 (playoffs), 4-5, and 3-12-1 in his first five years.
tremendous GM for the Chiefs. And I think they are in very good hands with Ryne Nutt their Director of College Scouting. So toss him in the mix.
I have always been very fond of Will McClay the Head of Player Personnel for Dallas. He is the brains behind many years of tremendous drafting. Guy has a great, great eye...Our draft hit success rate would go way up with McClay.
Used to be linked to NYG years back. He was with the pats for years when they started their dynasty during the 2000s. Then as GM of the chiefs but didn’t fare very well. Had more bad than good there. Then went to ATL and helped build that good team that lost a close super bowl to the pats. He stepped down in May 2019 amidst some speculation he was looking at the jets GM or some other GM job. He might be a name to keep an eye on although I’m not sure he’s the answer. Not sure who is honestly. Link - ( New Window )
Should have not worked a day in his life for the Giants. The only way to turn this thing around is to bring in someone with no ties to the organization.
with the exception of the 49ers game has been very competitive. Wondering if this is still a topic for discussion if Cam Fleming could get his fat ass in a squat or if Damien Ratley could run a route without drawing a PI flag.
would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.
This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.
I dont care about the GM anymore. I just want to try this.
Seriously. That might mean Ossenfort, maybe someone else. But I'd let him hand-pick his guy.
Im not necessarily on board with letting Judge pick his GM, but this would be a nice compromise. That and I LOVE the Titans model for building a team. Would be ecstatic with a team that is tough up front first and can scheme around the QB.
Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel
Ossenfort is a good call. Pats connection when he was the director of college scouting for them when Judge was on the staff
Depressing.
Dan Morgan - Bills Director of Player Personnel
Ryan Cowden - Titans VP Player Personnel
Dave Ziegler - Patriots Assistant Director of Player Personnel
DG is gone, it’s just a matter of when
This. Ossenfort has been suggested by Breer a few times. I could see Dimitroff being a candidate as well.
https://sny.tv/articles/10-potential-candidates-for-giants-gm-job-if-team-parts-with-dave-gettleman
Well that's one way to put it. :)
This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.
Not a great analogy
Like a 5th rd WR putting up 740 yds and 8 TDs in his rookie season and following that up with 365 yds and 2 TDs through 5 games?
clean house
Beckham - gone
Richburg - gone
Flowers - bust/gone
Collins - gone
Apple - bust/gone
Shepard - would be a B/B+ if he could stay healthy
Engram - well below expectations
Tomlinson - B+/A-
Barkley - hurt, no where close to expectations (to date)
Hernandez - B-/B as of now
Jones - TBD
Lawrence - good pick
Baker - bust
Thomas - too early
McKinney - too early; injured
15 players selected over 7 drafts. Hard to argue any of those players have exceeded expectations for their draft slot, except maybe Tomlinson (Beckham too but he's no longer on the team). And even worse, there's basically only 4 guys (SS, DT, WH, DL) that look like quality picks. Even putting Jones and the rookies aside, that's 4 starters (no pro bowlers) out of 12 picks.
He will do this so he does not look like a DG clone.
Who better than a cap expert who’s been on a staff that built losers eight of the last nine seasons? Can’t think of anyone.
In all honesty this is the most difficult hire for fans to make the call on, but Mara should be working the phones every damn day to figure it out. I have very little faith though.
Phone calls are not fixing this unless he has a direct line into God
I would honestly look at everyone in upper management for the Ravens. The guy that really intrigues me is Vince Newsome, as a former player he could be the kind of guy that the Giants get comfortable with but someone that has seen the rise of tech in an organization.
I'd also look at
Pat Moriarty who is their cap expert but also looks at broader asset allocation questions like draft day trades.
Their two personnel directors Joe Hortiz and George Kokinis
Then David McDonald, Director of Research & Development
It worked out in the long run, but in this era, no GM is going to get the leash that George Young got. The team went 6-10, 4-12, 9-7 (playoffs), 4-5, and 3-12-1 in his first five years.
I have always been very fond of Will McClay the Head of Player Personnel for Dallas. He is the brains behind many years of tremendous drafting. Guy has a great, great eye...Our draft hit success rate would go way up with McClay.
Link - ( New Window )
Big pass on Riddick. He’s been on record saying he would have taken Saquon & Haskins in the 18/19 drafts.
I've tossed that around, too. Hell he might be great at both roles. He can't be any worse than Gettleman at this point.
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would be like eating from the bottom of the ice cream sundae thinking it will taste different than from the top.
This is a bad example. The mish mash that settles at the bottom of a good Sundae tastes the same but better because most of the good stuff settles to the bottom in a more condensed fashion. You just swayed me towards liking Abrams. Good job.
I dont care about the GM anymore. I just want to try this.
Im not necessarily on board with letting Judge pick his GM, but this would be a nice compromise. That and I LOVE the Titans model for building a team. Would be ecstatic with a team that is tough up front first and can scheme around the QB.