The one team the Giants have continued to play well during this putrid stretch of football is WSH. The Giants are 4-2 against WSH dating back to the 2017 season.
This is the first game of the year in which the Giants are favored. It feels like the SF game a bit in terms of expectations, but the SF game was the worst game of the year for the team.
The Giants have had legit chances to win against Chicago, LAR and Dallas. They’ve played well against a Pittsburgh team which is undefeated. They got smoked by a poor SF team.
This is another big test for the OL and Jones as well. This is a game Daniel Jones needs to win. This is a game the 6th pick in the draft should be able to win regardless of supporting cast.
I’m a big fan of Judge, but he needs wins as well. There is some stuff to like and I think he’s got a long leash here, but wins need to come at some point.
If the Giants lose this game, they have a trip to Philly on a short week followed by Tampa. This team will most likely be staring at 0-8 with a loss on Sunday. A loss Sunday and things get really ugly.
We are going nowhere this year. What i'm looking for as the weeks go by is improvement from the young guys who are going to be a part of this rebuild.
I want to see this coaching staff develop talent SOMEWHERE.
I'm tired of feeling like we draft guys and they have already hit their ceiling because they don't develop.
Maybe i'm wrong, but it sure feels that way.
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Not rooting for it outright, but I think a loss is best. This team has no hope this season and I think a new GM is the priority.
If Jones is the guy he’ll put the team on his back and prove it the remainder of the season. If he’s not the guy then 0-16 is as good an outcome as any, Trevor Lawrence could be a real difference making talent. Best way to stop circling the toilet bowl might be to just get flushed down once and for all and start over.
I feel the same way.
Ditto. The outcome of this season MUST result in us landing Trevor Lawrence. Anything else is a disaster.
Aren't there other places we need to shore up?
So. Friggin. What.
You'd shore up those positions for what...a 3 win improvement? Do you want long-term mediocrity or do you want a perennial playoff contender?
You know what? Seattle has positions to shore up. They're 5-0. The undefeated Packers have positions to shore up. But those teams have Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. The Chiefs will be a threat and dominate that division as long as Mahomes is there and he has his movement ability. There's a reason the Colts under Peyton Manning won the division almost every single season (the reason was Peyton Manning).
Daniel Jones is unlikely to ever be at that level. You can continue plugging holes (that will never stop), or you can draft a true difference maker that will put your team among the elite of the NFL for a decade plus. Your call.
You can win with a competent if not top-tier QB; guys like Terry Bradshaw weren't the greatest QBs of their time. It took six years for him to really gel in their system.
The Giants need a pass rush. Plain and simple, they've never gone anywhere without a strong pass rush/edge defenders. Guys like Lawrence Taylor, Leonard Marshall, Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, even JPP. We practically dismantled our pass rush in 2018 and we've been bottom of the barrel since.
I'm going to just pause and let you reflect on that Terry Bradshaw example and tell me at least 4 reasons why it's a terrible one.
And of COURSE you can win with EVERYTHING else in place. But the point is, that doesn't happen often. You are always plugging new holes, and that's not even counting the injury effect. There is no substitute for an elite QB in this era. You do not pass on Michael Jordan because you have Danny Ainge.
The Giants passed on Reggie White for Gary Zimmerman. It backfired because Zimmerman didn't want to play in New York, while White become one of the greatest DEs in NFL history.
You're making my point for me. Trevor Lawrence IS they guy you don't pass on in this draft.
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Aaron Rodgers is an outlier QB. And games where he doesn’t have Adams, AAron Jones is giving them 100+ yards and 2-3 TDs. When has Mahomes been down both Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill he may not have had one or the other but he still had one w/ Kelce or both with no Kelce. And he still has Andy Reid drawing up plays.
Yeah that makes sense, Mahomes and Rodgers are just functions of the talent around them.
You do realize Rodgers has won without all of those guys, right? Those are all interchangeable parts, Rodgers will still win. It's that way for all the elite QBs.
And yes, they are outliers. That's what the goal is here, to get the outlier QB. That's what you want to do when you're picking #1.
Not taking Lawrence in this draft if we have the chance to is criminal. Some of you guys would've drafted Sam Bowie, too. JFC.
How fitting would it be if the game ends with the NYG down 4 late in the 4th...Jones driving...Chase Young obliterates Andrew Thomas en route to destroying Daniel Jones, forcing yet another fumble which Washington recovers to secure the win?
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Aaron Rodgers is an outlier QB. And games where he doesn’t have Adams, AAron Jones is giving them 100+ yards and 2-3 TDs. When has Mahomes been down both Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill he may not have had one or the other but he still had one w/ Kelce or both with no Kelce. And he still has Andy Reid drawing up plays.
Yeah that makes sense, Mahomes and Rodgers are just functions of the talent around them.
You do realize Rodgers has won without all of those guys, right? Those are all interchangeable parts, Rodgers will still win. It's that way for all the elite QBs.
And yes, they are outliers. That's what the goal is here, to get the outlier QB. That's what you want to do when you're picking #1.
Not taking Lawrence in this draft if we have the chance to is criminal. Some of you guys would've drafted Sam Bowie, too. JFC.
A thousand fucking percent. The goal of every team in the NFL is to obtain one of the top QBs if one is available to them. Lawrence appears to be on that trajectory. To pass on him because we might have a decent game manager (and maybe not even that) is criminal indeed.
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the Cheifs Have Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and Sammy Watkins. The Seahawks have Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf, and Greg Olson. Aaron Rodgers has Devante Adams, Aaron Jones, a good offensive line and defense. The idea these teams are only getting by because of the QB position is ridiculous.
That's true, but the Packers can lose Adams for a game or two and still get 3 TDs from some random tight end because Aaron Rodgers is a stud. Mahomes can lose Watkins and Hill and still throw TDs to Demarcus Robinson because he is also a stud. Etc.
An elite quarterback might be the scariest entity to face off against in all of sports. I don't know nearly enough about college football to know if Trevor Lawrence is likely to become one in the NFL, but if the general consensus is that he is, and we've got the first overall pick, it's very probable that he'd be an upgrade over the QB that in part contributed to our league-worst record.
Aaron Rodgers is an outlier QB. And games where he doesn’t have Adams, AAron Jones is giving them 100+ yards and 2-3 TDs. When has Mahomes been down both Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill he may not have had one or the other but he still had one w/ Kelce or both with no Kelce. And he still has Andy Reid drawing up plays.
If you look at Daniel Jones and say to yourself the only difference between him and Aaron Rodgers is Devonte Adams, you need to watch more tape.
Drop this one or get rolled and it will get ugly
All other starters for the Pack during that time are *6-12-1.
*Full disclosure, two of those actual starts for Rodgers I included in the backups ledger because they were games that Rodgers was injured very early in the first quarter and did not return.
Point is the same however you evaluate the numbers...same personnel on those Packers teams...they lose without Rodgers, they win with him.
If Mahomes was injured tomorrow and had to miss games, while Hill and Kelce, et al would help, they would likely be a losing team.
This team has been such shit, and has made so many terrible decisions that I have such apathy for a franchise that I've spent so much energy and passion on over the nearly last 4 decades.
No reason to just assume Giants will win any game until the above changes.
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Will win and continue to suck the rest of the season
Which is probably a worse case scenario.
If the Giants keep losing to everyone but the Redskins and two other BS teams that actually suck worse than the Giants - do they ever hit rock bottom?
I agree 100%. It feels like last year when we won the all important Chase young game
Now to the biggest story within the game for Giants fans going forward Lawrence has a knee, Slayton has a foot these are two core players for our future will they protect them or play them for an 0-5, team?
It’s a stepping stone game lose 0-6, been there done that I don’t see any real talent difference in the players for the last several years we still have like eight to ten decent players. Giants as a team are professional teasers but always on the short end miraculously game after game. We lack game changing players how do we keep staying devoid of these guys year after year? Yet we keep sending out players that have no future with this team and are not exactly even special players.
Now to the biggest story within the game for Giants fans going forward Lawrence has a knee, Slayton has a foot these are two core players for our future will they protect them or play them for an 0-5, team?
It’s a stepping stone game lose 0-6, been there done that I don’t see any real talent difference in the players for the last several years we still have like eight to ten decent players. Giants as a team are professional teasers but always on the short end miraculously game after game. We lack game changing players how do we keep staying devoid of these guys year after year? Yet we keep sending out players that have no future with this team and are not exactly even special players.
If the Giants can’t beat Washington, no one from QB, to head coach, to GM is really showing they are ready for the gig they hold.
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Not rooting for it outright, but I think a loss is best. This team has no hope this season and I think a new GM is the priority.
If Jones is the guy he’ll put the team on his back and prove it the remainder of the season. If he’s not the guy then 0-16 is as good an outcome as any, Trevor Lawrence could be a real difference making talent. Best way to stop circling the toilet bowl might be to just get flushed down once and for all and start over.
I feel the same way.
Ditto. The outcome of this season MUST result in us landing Trevor Lawrence. Anything else is a disaster.
Aren't there other places we need to shore up?
So. Friggin. What.
You'd shore up those positions for what...a 3 win improvement? Do you want long-term mediocrity or do you want a perennial playoff contender?
You know what? Seattle has positions to shore up. They're 5-0. The undefeated Packers have positions to shore up. But those teams have Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. The Chiefs will be a threat and dominate that division as long as Mahomes is there and he has his movement ability. There's a reason the Colts under Peyton Manning won the division almost every single season (the reason was Peyton Manning).
Daniel Jones is unlikely to ever be at that level. You can continue plugging holes (that will never stop), or you can draft a true difference maker that will put your team among the elite of the NFL for a decade plus. Your call.
You can win with a competent if not top-tier QB; guys like Terry Bradshaw weren't the greatest QBs of their time. It took six years for him to really gel in their system.
The Giants need a pass rush. Plain and simple, they've never gone anywhere without a strong pass rush/edge defenders. Guys like Lawrence Taylor, Leonard Marshall, Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, even JPP. We practically dismantled our pass rush in 2018 and we've been bottom of the barrel since.
Your post in 1 simple sentence identifies why the Giants don’t win.
End of game scenerio: Giants have ball, must pass situation, do you feel confident, I don’t. Why, I know they can’t protect the quarterback.
Reverse roles, i. e. , Cowboys, think Giants are going to get a stop?..... Me either.... Why, no pass rush.