for a shit load of cargo. I don't want to trade him but I also don't want to trade Gio and replace him with a defensive ? in torres.
Torres definitely has the IT factor. HE's a guy that can and will explode in the postseason. He can hit anyone. But maybe consider it if you could get back an ace and then some? Maybe that's nuts.
There’s more than enough PAs to go around considering how often this group gets injured. Sign either Andrelton Simmons or bring back Didi and move Gleyber to second. Trade Sanchez for a bullpen arm or two. Start Frazier everyday in left. And as crazy as it sounds, Gardy is likely the best available backup LH OF. But they gotta let him know he’s the backup.
Bring back Austin Ronnie as a backup or sign James McCann to start.
SS defensively. It means one of Urshela, Torres, DJLM, Voit are sitting every day and it’s an even bigger logjam on the days Stanton DHs.
Yes you can technically do it but I think it’s a poor allocation of resources once you give the money to DJLM. They are better off selling high on Voit to either upgrade the rotation or SS.
trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
Well its been 2 years (well 1.5 in the shortened season) and that hasn't happened. Could it? Sure. But he seems to fit here like a glove. Voit seems like the more likely of the 2 to fall back down to earth.
My guess is that DJ has played his last game in the Bronx. They have 1 starting pitcher. Multiple holes in the bullpen, too many DH's, no starting catcher, no SS. There are a lot of very good pieces but as some of us have been saying for years they fit together poorly.
but it's clear that there really is a logjam. (Both NY teams have logjams, actually.) Any solution is going to involve trading somebody you really like. For the Yankees, it might be Urshela or Torres. But there's no point in having a surplus at some positions and weakness at others. You move the surplus to shore up the weaknesses.
Joe Morgan's obituaries mentioned how unpopular the trade was that brought him to Cincy. The fans loved the players who were traded for him. But then they saw Joe Morgan.
If the Yankees get the right return, fans will be happy.
the rotation. I think it’s a given that someone is gone. And there’s no way you can justify resigning Paxton over DJLM, so I don’t see that as a roadblock for this deal either.
Problem is Stanton Yes,I know he finally was outstanding in the
playoffs, but he needs to play LF. If he does & they resign DJL, then the DH becomes flexible & Voit can sometimes be the DH. Trading Gio hurts the D & the reason you're moving Gleyber is to improve the left side. Gleyber was an above average fielding 2B & that's where he belongs. Crawford (Cole's B-I-L & LH hitter) or Simmons would shore up SS & make the left side strong, while Gleyber/DJL would do the same on the right side.
SS defensively. It means one of Urshela, Torres, DJLM, Voit are sitting every day and it’s an even bigger logjam on the days Stanton DHs.
Yes you can technically do it but I think it’s a poor allocation of resources once you give the money to DJLM. They are better off selling high on Voit to either upgrade the rotation or SS.
I don’t foresee Simmons getting a multi-year deal. Didi might from the Phils. And there really aren’t any starting pitchers to hand major contracts to outside of Bauer. I think there’s going to be quite a few guys taking 1 year deals in this environment. I hope the Yankees won’t keep the budget tight if the only player they’re signing beyond one year is DJ.
There's only a logjam if you accept the premise that Torres
at SS, like Lindor. Otherwise, he's the guy and you let him settle in defensively. If you can't get a guy like Lindor (as has been rumored because he wants to get paid), you just bring the same infield back.
trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
So, you believe a guy who over three seasons in 4 years with two teams hit 8 HR's total and about .225 is going to sustain a .300 average and 20 HR power at age 29? And you think that was a simple adjustment to his swing that was missed at all his other ML stops and the 8 years he spent in the minors. Ok. You must believe in the tooth fairy too.
Torres is a much better hitter, the Yankees need to move him out of the SS hole and get a better defender there. If that means they need to off Urshela to move Torres and get that defender, I think they got what they are going to get out of Urshela and they should sell high rather than wait for the inevitable crash back to earth.
Are killing the Yankees for the past two years and sure we would like everyday players but that’s not what we’re getting. Torres needs to find a home and plant himself there he’s a talent but defense is part of the game.
trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
So, you believe a guy who over three seasons in 4 years with two teams hit 8 HR's total and about .225 is going to sustain a .300 average and 20 HR power at age 29? And you think that was a simple adjustment to his swing that was missed at all his other ML stops and the 8 years he spent in the minors. Ok. You must believe in the tooth fairy too.
Torres is a much better hitter, the Yankees need to move him out of the SS hole and get a better defender there. If that means they need to off Urshela to move Torres and get that defender, I think they got what they are going to get out of Urshela and they should sell high rather than wait for the inevitable crash back to earth.
No you just don't pay attention. They have talked about it on YES for two seasons. Known fact that the Yankees spotted a flaw in his swing and had him adjust. Yes it is that simple. Now even they were surprised he jumped that much. In the past two season, if other teams saw a hole in his swing, they would have picked on it. But they haven't. Doesn't mean he is a permanent .300 hitter. The power isn't likely to go away - between 27 and 32 are the best power years. Could he drop to .260/.270? - of course. Will he be a .225 again, not likely.
But no matter, Urshela is not a SS so he isn't moving. Torres is a marginal SS. The Yankees are right, he makes too many errors on routine plays - many nonchalant stuff or lackadaisical throws.
Remember that the Astros revived Verlander, Morton and changed Cole with whatever it was to increase spin rate.
I'm a believer that the lineup is far too RH-heavy. Batting order and lineup construction may be overrated over a 162-game sample, but I think it matters in the playoffs.
Moving one or both of Voit and Frazier could make good sense if the returns are good. If they do trade one or both of these guys, see if you can attach the last year of Ottavino to the deal.
DJ has to stay. My opening offer would be 3 years $75M, team option for a 4th at the same AAV, $6M buyout on the option.
I'm not adamant that Gleyber needs to move off of SS, but in a perfect world I prefer him back at 2B. In the next 12 months, the number of SS who could hit the open market is insane. Lindor, Story, Seager, Correa, Baez.
As much as they need LH bats, I really hope they let Gardy go (they won't). He still does some good things, but he's got zero pop, the arm is terrible, and it's just money spent better elsewhere.
Some free agent LH/switch bats that I'd have some interest in depending on some other/bigger decisions -- Profar, LaStella, Joc Pederson, Michael Brantley.
Reminder that Britton has that odd option in his contract. Yankees need to decide now whether they want to pick up his 2022 option. If they do not, Britton can opt out of 2021 and become a free agent. (My thoughts - big Britton fan. I'd pick up the 2022 and try to trade the last 2 years of Chapman.)
I continue to wrack by brain about what to do as far as pitching. It's clearly the #1 problem. The FA market is crap, and while I really want them to let all of Tanaka/Paxton/Happ walk, those first two guys immediately slot into the top 5 available FA pitchers. woof. (this furthers my thinking that a trade of Frazier or Voit could be an option).
I see and hear a lot from NYY fans about moving Sanchez. Sure, that's fine. But I don't know who's going to give up anything of value for him right now, and the $7-8M he's likely to get as an ARB 2 feels like a good call option on a bounceback. I think he stays, and if he doesn't hit, we will and should see more of a 50/50 platoon with Higgy Smalls.
RE: RE: There's only a logjam if you accept the premise that Torres
needs to go to 2nd. Why can't he and Urshela swap?
You want Urshela moved to SS? Pretty sure he wouldn't be a 3B if he was a capable shortstop.
If we want to keep all these guys (and I think keeping Torres is optimal) then all that matters is that he's better than Torres. I'd have to check his defensive stats, but he played well in the field the games I saw.
Of the two, I guess losing Urshela would be preferable, and bringing in a glove-first SS should be pretty easy.
I really like Voit and have from day. But, I think he is at his absolute top of his game right now. He has injuries, is not great defensively, and will be 30 at the start of the season. If I trade one of him and Urshela, it's him and keep the plus defender. DJLM would move to 1B in this scenario and Torres to 2B. If you don't like Torres defensively at SS, what makes you think he is a better option at 3B?
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
I am not the biggest Urshela fan, but Andujar's defense is really
atrocious, like Sanchez-esque bad, so I'd rather trade Voit, who's going to be 30 and redundant in this line-up.
To bring the same exact line-up back after 3 consecutive years of feeble performances in the post-season and hope for different result would be incomprehensible. Unfortunately, there are no obvious moves, but something needs to be done.
I really don't think Hal will open up the checkbook and I'm okay with that. If Cashman is as good as everyone says he is, he'll come up with something. I'd look from within for pitching and shake up the line-up with a couple of high contact left-handed hitters to balance it a little.
I wonder if the Giants might be willing to do a Sanchez for Posey deal? Sanchez appears to be in desperate need of a change in scenery, and Posey is on a non-competitive team- and while Bart demonstrated he isn’t ready yet, he is their future at C. However, they still need a C to get them through 2021. Sanchez might be a worthwhile gamble for them.
Posey’ s power is gone, but he remains a solid defensive C and maintains a good OBP. He might be an excellent 7 or 8 hole hitter. The pitching staff might need a guy with his credibility back there. Sanchez’s issues with blocking and framing may have affected pitchers willingness to throw their best off-speed stuff with confidence. Having a guy who will get those pitches and has enough offense left to not hurt the lineup (something that Higashioka has not shown to date) might help the pitching more than any other move.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
Interesting post. I had to go look up Jeter's stats to compare with DJLM...holy crap Jeter was a much better and more consistent batter. Amazing how you can watch someone for 20 years and forget how very good they were. But even he was quite effective through his 35 y/o season and actually not bad through 38...
I wouldn't mind DJLM for 3 years. But IDK if Hal approves of another $22 to $25 mill contract.
Do you go back after Didi, who is 2 years younger?
seems like it has no pulse. And he has far more power than Jeter did, and his approach to make contact won’t disappear as he ages. And his performance in Colorado at this point is irrelevant, just like Urshela in Cleveland. These aren’t flukes. If he signs a 4 year deal I feel really good about those first 3 at least.
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
seems like it has no pulse. And he has far more power than Jeter did, and his approach to make contact won’t disappear as he ages. And his performance in Colorado at this point is irrelevant, just like Urshela in Cleveland. These aren’t flukes. If he signs a 4 year deal I feel really good about those first 3 at least.
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
Judge isn’t a FA- and won’t be for a couple years. DJ is.
DJ’s past is quite relevant- the Yanks made no adjustments to DJ’s approach- and he was an established MLBer. Urshela was a AAAA guy until the Yanks fixed his swing.
The bigger point is that giving DJ $20M+ Annually isn’t the best use of resources when you need at least one front of the rotation type SP, and maybe 2. Just as a hypothetical example, the Yanks could go get someone like Kolten Wong to play 2B and leadoff for $12.5M next year. Wong would not have the gaudy BA, but he carries a high OBP and plays Gold Glove defense. That saves money to spend on SP.
Even the Yanks can’t maintain a $250M payroll without fans in the seats. This about the best use of resources- and giving an aging DJ big FA $$$ isn’t it.
seems like it has no pulse. And he has far more power than Jeter did, and his approach to make contact won’t disappear as he ages. And his performance in Colorado at this point is irrelevant, just like Urshela in Cleveland. These aren’t flukes. If he signs a 4 year deal I feel really good about those first 3 at least.
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
Powerwise DJ and DJLM are close. DJLM has 86 lifetime HRs I think Jeter has 245 or so in triple the at bats...
Sadly I am beginning to have some doubt about Judge too. You cannot dismiss the swings and misses at low outside pitches. Yes he gets screwed all the time on low called strikes and I think it forces him to attempt to make contact at the bottom of the zone. But he never seems to adjust his swing to go the other way on those low and away pitches. Right now if I am a team, I tell my pitching staff to stay low and away FB and then Sliders. He seemed in the past, to be able to adjust to what pitchers were doing to him. But now he seems locked in on pulling the ball, like Luke Voit is doing now. Of course almost every batter has cold zones and the object is to make sure you get to pitches not in those zones.
Anyway, just a fan observation. rich has good views on things, I don't agree with him on LeMahieu, but I am not sure if Hal will go for another big contract. Yes, they lose Happ's 17 mill, maybe Tanaka also. I would like to keep Tanaka for two more years as a bottom of the rotation guy but maybe between Garcia, Schmidt and Nelson they can replace him on the cheap. I'd let Paxton go too, he had such promise. But he seems to be a constantly injured type player.
Thing is, I've read two articles that suggest Hal will push to get below the luxury tax at $210 mill. That number did not just come out of thin air. I wonder if Hal whispered it to Sherman and Davidoff(?)...
I really like Voit and have from day. But, I think he is at his absolute top of his game right now. He has injuries, is not great defensively, and will be 30 at the start of the season. If I trade one of him and Urshela, it's him and keep the plus defender. DJLM would move to 1B in this scenario and Torres to 2B. If you don't like Torres defensively at SS, what makes you think he is a better option at 3B?
The flaw in this thought process is that Voit is still not arbitration eligible. Even the Yanks will face payroll limits in 2021. Resources need to be saved where possible to afford SP upgrades- which are never cheap.
If you trade Voit to keep DJ, that is effectively an increase of between $8-12M in payroll for the status quo. That limits the resources that can be devoted to the SP.
There are other options for middle INF. Didi on a one-year deal would probably be cheap. Kolten Wong from STL would be a push salary wise.
I think we need to watch Taijuan Walker closely in FA. The Yanks have long been interested in him- and he really seemed to put it together in 2020- albeit over a very short time period. However, he would not come cheaply.
I really like Voit and have from day. But, I think he is at his absolute top of his game right now. He has injuries, is not great defensively, and will be 30 at the start of the season. If I trade one of him and Urshela, it's him and keep the plus defender. DJLM would move to 1B in this scenario and Torres to 2B. If you don't like Torres defensively at SS, what makes you think he is a better option at 3B?
The flaw in this thought process is that Voit is still not arbitration eligible. Even the Yanks will face payroll limits in 2021. Resources need to be saved where possible to afford SP upgrades- which are never cheap.
If you trade Voit to keep DJ, that is effectively an increase of between $8-12M in payroll for the status quo. That limits the resources that can be devoted to the SP.
There are other options for middle INF. Didi on a one-year deal would probably be cheap. Kolten Wong from STL would be a push salary wise.
I think we need to watch Taijuan Walker closely in FA. The Yanks have long been interested in him- and he really seemed to put it together in 2020- albeit over a very short time period. However, he would not come cheaply.
Walker was fools gold this year. His FIP and xFIP were both over 4.50 and he walked more than 3 per 9. This is not to say he won't improve or that NYY shouldn't touch him, but if he doesn't come cheap they should stay away.
I can wrap my head around the idea of letting DJLM walk to spend the $ on pitching, but there isn't a single pitcher on the FA market that represents a significant upgrade of the rotation from what we saw this season. It will need to come from the trade market if they truly want it to be better.
I disagree with some people on what specifically is the issue
with Judge. He simply cannot stay healthy and that affects him more than any weakness in his game. His OPS prior to the injury would’ve led the AL if he kept it up all season. I love the guy and he’s unquestionably the best player on the team when he’s on, plus he appears to be the team leader. But he can’t possibly get a long-term deal with that body/those injuries.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
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Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
RE: I disagree with some people on what specifically is the issue
with Judge. He simply cannot stay healthy and that affects him more than any weakness in his game. His OPS prior to the injury would’ve led the AL if he kept it up all season. I love the guy and he’s unquestionably the best player on the team when he’s on, plus he appears to be the team leader. But he can’t possibly get a long-term deal with that body/those injuries.
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He has two years to prove he can stay healthy,
no reason for the Yanks to do anything now...
People need to accept the fact he is going to strike out,
just the way it is, same for Stanton, accept it or not.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
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Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in the modern information world still cling to a ludite stat like Batting Average as something meaningful.
After age 35, Jeter had two seasons with an OPS+ of 100 or more- including one where he was exactly at 100. His annual WAR exceeded 2.0 one time after his age 35 season- his dead cat bounce season of 2012.
Keep in mind that Jeter was the most gifted offensive middle INF of his generation in durability and length of production. Even his greatness failed him after 2015- except for that dead cat bounce season.
Is DJLM equal to DJ- absolutely not. To expect DJLM to somehow outperform late career Jeter is folly. Let another team make that mistake.
Remember as well that there are going to be an inordinate number of of non-tenders and DFAs this winter from teams that are really taking a financial hit. No need to pay top dollar when you can get a poor man’s version of DJLM for a mere fraction of the cost- which allows money to be allocated to SP- which is the real weakness.
based on the contracts already on the books and the arbitration eligible players that will be on the team that leaves about 30 million to spend. It does not include DJ, Gardner, Tanaka, Paxton and Happ. Where is the starting pitching coming from?
RE: I am not the biggest Urshela fan, but Andujar's defense is really
atrocious, like Sanchez-esque bad, so I'd rather trade Voit, who's going to be 30 and redundant in this line-up.
To bring the same exact line-up back after 3 consecutive years of feeble performances in the post-season and hope for different result would be incomprehensible. Unfortunately, there are no obvious moves, but something needs to be done.
I really don't think Hal will open up the checkbook and I'm okay with that. If Cashman is as good as everyone says he is, he'll come up with something. I'd look from within for pitching and shake up the line-up with a couple of high contact left-handed hitters to balance it a little.
I agree that some kind of shake-up is in order.
I think the real culprit is actually the alleged strength- the bullpen. Bullpens by nature are fickle and can be up and down. Having a deep stable of guys doesn’t change that, especially since you cannot use them every day.
I think having some strong SP that can go 6-7 deep is the better play. Too often the Yanks want to pull their guy in the 4th or 5th- wears down the pen over the long run.
Instead, let Cole be Cole next season, and add 2 guys who can rack up effective innings. I think you let Montgomery roll with the rotation until Sevy returns. Cashman said June/July, but the reporters covering the comments failed to pick up on the caveat- that this was to take the pressure off him to return early- but when ready, he will go.
I think for all the outcry, if German is healthy and effective, he will return. It is indisputable that what Chapman did was worse, yet the Yanks went so far as to trade FOR him. It will probably help the situation that the season will almost certain re-open without fans, or few fans.
The offense is fine. However, Sanchez appears to be broken. A trade is best for all involved so he can get a fresh start somewhere else. The Yanks can find another C- they have the prospect depth. They will find another middle INF in the no-tenders or FA (or even trade).
The bullpen should be re-imagined. More long type relievers, less one inning guys. Forget about multiple closer types. I actually would let Britton go. Chapman is likely untradeable- teams aren’t willing to pay big $$ to anyone right now- maybe the Mets will- but not too many others. If the Dodgers don’t make the WS or lose theWS, they may look to add? But that’s about it.
I think the pitching as a whole has gotten into a mental rut by looking over their shoulder for the quick hook instead of mentally grinding through 6-7 innings, or thinking about the next guy coming after them. They need to think about getting multiple innings of guys out and not worrying about getting taken out (unless they get rocked).
A top end defensive C who can get on base just enough might help the whole staff out. I really think that Sanchez didn’t have their confidence- and Cole clarified it for everyone by demanding Higgy to be his C.
To recap- shake up the bullpen, add some front end SP (trade, FA, whatever) and add a new C (subtract Sanchez).
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
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Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in the modern information world still cling to a ludite stat like Batting Average as something meaningful.
After age 35, Jeter had two seasons with an OPS+ of 100 or more- including one where he was exactly at 100. His annual WAR exceeded 2.0 one time after his age 35 season- his dead cat bounce season of 2012.
Keep in mind that Jeter was the most gifted offensive middle INF of his generation in durability and length of production. Even his greatness failed him after 2015- except for that dead cat bounce season.
Is DJLM equal to DJ- absolutely not. To expect DJLM to somehow outperform late career Jeter is folly. Let another team make that mistake.
Remember as well that there are going to be an inordinate number of of non-tenders and DFAs this winter from teams that are really taking a financial hit. No need to pay top dollar when you can get a poor man’s version of DJLM for a mere fraction of the cost- which allows money to be allocated to SP- which is the real weakness.
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I don't cling to BA my friend, you said he didn't hit.
I think I showed he did. BTW, when you don't have a high slugging percentage, that affects your OPS, does it not?
VERY difficult to have a high OPS when you slug in the
.450 range, he wasn't a HR hitter.
With someone like a Jeter, you look at OBA, since he hit at the top of the order. His OBA was still pretty good, during his 35-38 years.
I have no doubt DJ would hit for another few years
at least. As I said above, I would not give him a
100 mill. contract, he is only 32, not 35-36.
I would go a four year deal on him. in the 70 mill. range. That's just me. Maybe a team option on a 5th year.
I said 3/50 about a month ago, that won't get it done
it seems.
very likely will be offered a QO by the Phillies so any team that signs him is going to have to be okay giving up a high pick. He may well be worth it but not for 1 year. That's the dilemma.
I think his glove and clutch add something we need for the postseason.
I wish they could do Didi and DJ, but that's just too many resources unless they trade Voit. But I'd rather put that money in SP.
Stanton when healthy is perhaps the best hitter in baseball. I know people knock his injuries, but he hasn't missed the postseason yet for us. And he's produced then.
Adding Frazier's bat into the everyday lineup will be a boost too.
I'd consider bringing back Gardner on a 1 year deal for cheap if he's willing. Outside of the bullpen, Tauchman was a disappointment, in coming back to earth this year. Figures some of that 2019 team was a mirage. That said, Tauchman is getting peanuts, so the marginal value Gardner brings means his cost has to be cheap. Idk if the value matches up for both sides.
very likely will be offered a QO by the Phillies so any team that signs him is going to have to be okay giving up a high pick. He may well be worth it but not for 1 year. That's the dilemma.
Thanks. Didn't know that. I think it comes down to whether Cash is giving up on Torres at SS. I think he should. Torres doesn't have the killer instinct in the field to say: this is mine, that you need from a shortstop. I'd give Didi multiyears.
I have a feeling they're going to give it another year though.
Didi would come back to the Yanks, they didn't offer him
a qualifying offer last year. Players don't forget that,
doesn't mean he is mad, but they also don't forget.
I also heard he has a good relationship with Girardi.
You know what you are getting with him, that also includes
a low OBP. The team has to accept that about him.
The QO this year is suppose to be about 18.9 mill. wow.
Didi would come back to the Yanks, they didn't offer him
a qualifying offer last year. Players don't forget that,
doesn't mean he is mad, but they also don't forget.
I also heard he has a good relationship with Girardi.
You know what you are getting with him, that also includes
a low OBP. The team has to accept that about him.
The QO this year is suppose to be about 18.9 mill. wow.
18.9 simply represents the average salary of the top 125 players in baseball. It's far from outrageous when you look at it in that context.
Torres definitely has the IT factor. HE's a guy that can and will explode in the postseason. He can hit anyone. But maybe consider it if you could get back an ace and then some? Maybe that's nuts.
Urshela is too valuable at 3rd to trade to make room for Torres to switch. Torres can also get better at SS.
Move Gleyber back to 2B, sign a defensive shortstop ideally left handed bat.
Bring back Austin Ronnie as a backup or sign James McCann to start.
Yes you can technically do it but I think it’s a poor allocation of resources once you give the money to DJLM. They are better off selling high on Voit to either upgrade the rotation or SS.
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
Well its been 2 years (well 1.5 in the shortened season) and that hasn't happened. Could it? Sure. But he seems to fit here like a glove. Voit seems like the more likely of the 2 to fall back down to earth.
With Stanton missing so much time - I think there's room to keep them all.
There are teams that have won WS with worse defense.
I think I would just live with Torres' defensive struggles and hope he makes up for them with a better season offensively.
The Machine has friends? I figured he unplugged after a game and sat dormant until first pitch the following night.
Joe Morgan's obituaries mentioned how unpopular the trade was that brought him to Cincy. The fans loved the players who were traded for him. But then they saw Joe Morgan.
If the Yankees get the right return, fans will be happy.
Yes you can technically do it but I think it’s a poor allocation of resources once you give the money to DJLM. They are better off selling high on Voit to either upgrade the rotation or SS.
I don’t foresee Simmons getting a multi-year deal. Didi might from the Phils. And there really aren’t any starting pitchers to hand major contracts to outside of Bauer. I think there’s going to be quite a few guys taking 1 year deals in this environment. I hope the Yankees won’t keep the budget tight if the only player they’re signing beyond one year is DJ.
Torres is not good at SS. He's got the arm and glove for third and his range won't be as much an issue.
LeMachine is the best veteran acquisition by the Yankees, since maybe O'Neill. He better not go anywhere.
You want Urshela moved to SS? Pretty sure he wouldn't be a 3B if he was a capable shortstop.
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trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
Torres is a much better hitter, the Yankees need to move him out of the SS hole and get a better defender there. If that means they need to off Urshela to move Torres and get that defender, I think they got what they are going to get out of Urshela and they should sell high rather than wait for the inevitable crash back to earth.
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trade him now while he has value. Otherwise, you are going to wait until he turns back into the hitter that caused Cleveland to get rid of him and then what do you have?
So for two seasons he's been a competent hitter with a simple adjustment to his swing and all of a sudden he's going to revert to a .200 hitter with no power? And I thought you were bad on Giants threads.
So, you believe a guy who over three seasons in 4 years with two teams hit 8 HR's total and about .225 is going to sustain a .300 average and 20 HR power at age 29? And you think that was a simple adjustment to his swing that was missed at all his other ML stops and the 8 years he spent in the minors. Ok. You must believe in the tooth fairy too.
Torres is a much better hitter, the Yankees need to move him out of the SS hole and get a better defender there. If that means they need to off Urshela to move Torres and get that defender, I think they got what they are going to get out of Urshela and they should sell high rather than wait for the inevitable crash back to earth.
No you just don't pay attention. They have talked about it on YES for two seasons. Known fact that the Yankees spotted a flaw in his swing and had him adjust. Yes it is that simple. Now even they were surprised he jumped that much. In the past two season, if other teams saw a hole in his swing, they would have picked on it. But they haven't. Doesn't mean he is a permanent .300 hitter. The power isn't likely to go away - between 27 and 32 are the best power years. Could he drop to .260/.270? - of course. Will he be a .225 again, not likely.
But no matter, Urshela is not a SS so he isn't moving. Torres is a marginal SS. The Yankees are right, he makes too many errors on routine plays - many nonchalant stuff or lackadaisical throws.
Remember that the Astros revived Verlander, Morton and changed Cole with whatever it was to increase spin rate.
Moving one or both of Voit and Frazier could make good sense if the returns are good. If they do trade one or both of these guys, see if you can attach the last year of Ottavino to the deal.
DJ has to stay. My opening offer would be 3 years $75M, team option for a 4th at the same AAV, $6M buyout on the option.
I'm not adamant that Gleyber needs to move off of SS, but in a perfect world I prefer him back at 2B. In the next 12 months, the number of SS who could hit the open market is insane. Lindor, Story, Seager, Correa, Baez.
As much as they need LH bats, I really hope they let Gardy go (they won't). He still does some good things, but he's got zero pop, the arm is terrible, and it's just money spent better elsewhere.
Some free agent LH/switch bats that I'd have some interest in depending on some other/bigger decisions -- Profar, LaStella, Joc Pederson, Michael Brantley.
Reminder that Britton has that odd option in his contract. Yankees need to decide now whether they want to pick up his 2022 option. If they do not, Britton can opt out of 2021 and become a free agent. (My thoughts - big Britton fan. I'd pick up the 2022 and try to trade the last 2 years of Chapman.)
I continue to wrack by brain about what to do as far as pitching. It's clearly the #1 problem. The FA market is crap, and while I really want them to let all of Tanaka/Paxton/Happ walk, those first two guys immediately slot into the top 5 available FA pitchers. woof. (this furthers my thinking that a trade of Frazier or Voit could be an option).
I see and hear a lot from NYY fans about moving Sanchez. Sure, that's fine. But I don't know who's going to give up anything of value for him right now, and the $7-8M he's likely to get as an ARB 2 feels like a good call option on a bounceback. I think he stays, and if he doesn't hit, we will and should see more of a 50/50 platoon with Higgy Smalls.
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needs to go to 2nd. Why can't he and Urshela swap?
You want Urshela moved to SS? Pretty sure he wouldn't be a 3B if he was a capable shortstop.
If we want to keep all these guys (and I think keeping Torres is optimal) then all that matters is that he's better than Torres. I'd have to check his defensive stats, but he played well in the field the games I saw.
Of the two, I guess losing Urshela would be preferable, and bringing in a glove-first SS should be pretty easy.
Move Gleyber back to 2B, sign a defensive shortstop ideally left handed bat.
Makes more sense. Plus Voit is a mess at first base. What a year he had though. The dude can definitely hit.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
To bring the same exact line-up back after 3 consecutive years of feeble performances in the post-season and hope for different result would be incomprehensible. Unfortunately, there are no obvious moves, but something needs to be done.
I really don't think Hal will open up the checkbook and I'm okay with that. If Cashman is as good as everyone says he is, he'll come up with something. I'd look from within for pitching and shake up the line-up with a couple of high contact left-handed hitters to balance it a little.
Posey’ s power is gone, but he remains a solid defensive C and maintains a good OBP. He might be an excellent 7 or 8 hole hitter. The pitching staff might need a guy with his credibility back there. Sanchez’s issues with blocking and framing may have affected pitchers willingness to throw their best off-speed stuff with confidence. Having a guy who will get those pitches and has enough offense left to not hurt the lineup (something that Higashioka has not shown to date) might help the pitching more than any other move.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
Interesting post. I had to go look up Jeter's stats to compare with DJLM...holy crap Jeter was a much better and more consistent batter. Amazing how you can watch someone for 20 years and forget how very good they were. But even he was quite effective through his 35 y/o season and actually not bad through 38...
I wouldn't mind DJLM for 3 years. But IDK if Hal approves of another $22 to $25 mill contract.
Do you go back after Didi, who is 2 years younger?
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
Judge isn’t a FA- and won’t be for a couple years. DJ is.
DJ’s past is quite relevant- the Yanks made no adjustments to DJ’s approach- and he was an established MLBer. Urshela was a AAAA guy until the Yanks fixed his swing.
The bigger point is that giving DJ $20M+ Annually isn’t the best use of resources when you need at least one front of the rotation type SP, and maybe 2. Just as a hypothetical example, the Yanks could go get someone like Kolten Wong to play 2B and leadoff for $12.5M next year. Wong would not have the gaudy BA, but he carries a high OBP and plays Gold Glove defense. That saves money to spend on SP.
Even the Yanks can’t maintain a $250M payroll without fans in the seats. This about the best use of resources- and giving an aging DJ big FA $$$ isn’t it.
The albatross you need to be careful of is Judge, not DJLM.
Powerwise DJ and DJLM are close. DJLM has 86 lifetime HRs I think Jeter has 245 or so in triple the at bats...
Sadly I am beginning to have some doubt about Judge too. You cannot dismiss the swings and misses at low outside pitches. Yes he gets screwed all the time on low called strikes and I think it forces him to attempt to make contact at the bottom of the zone. But he never seems to adjust his swing to go the other way on those low and away pitches. Right now if I am a team, I tell my pitching staff to stay low and away FB and then Sliders. He seemed in the past, to be able to adjust to what pitchers were doing to him. But now he seems locked in on pulling the ball, like Luke Voit is doing now. Of course almost every batter has cold zones and the object is to make sure you get to pitches not in those zones.
Anyway, just a fan observation. rich has good views on things, I don't agree with him on LeMahieu, but I am not sure if Hal will go for another big contract. Yes, they lose Happ's 17 mill, maybe Tanaka also. I would like to keep Tanaka for two more years as a bottom of the rotation guy but maybe between Garcia, Schmidt and Nelson they can replace him on the cheap. I'd let Paxton go too, he had such promise. But he seems to be a constantly injured type player.
Thing is, I've read two articles that suggest Hal will push to get below the luxury tax at $210 mill. That number did not just come out of thin air. I wonder if Hal whispered it to Sherman and Davidoff(?)...
The flaw in this thought process is that Voit is still not arbitration eligible. Even the Yanks will face payroll limits in 2021. Resources need to be saved where possible to afford SP upgrades- which are never cheap.
If you trade Voit to keep DJ, that is effectively an increase of between $8-12M in payroll for the status quo. That limits the resources that can be devoted to the SP.
There are other options for middle INF. Didi on a one-year deal would probably be cheap. Kolten Wong from STL would be a push salary wise.
I think we need to watch Taijuan Walker closely in FA. The Yanks have long been interested in him- and he really seemed to put it together in 2020- albeit over a very short time period. However, he would not come cheaply.
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I really like Voit and have from day. But, I think he is at his absolute top of his game right now. He has injuries, is not great defensively, and will be 30 at the start of the season. If I trade one of him and Urshela, it's him and keep the plus defender. DJLM would move to 1B in this scenario and Torres to 2B. If you don't like Torres defensively at SS, what makes you think he is a better option at 3B?
The flaw in this thought process is that Voit is still not arbitration eligible. Even the Yanks will face payroll limits in 2021. Resources need to be saved where possible to afford SP upgrades- which are never cheap.
If you trade Voit to keep DJ, that is effectively an increase of between $8-12M in payroll for the status quo. That limits the resources that can be devoted to the SP.
There are other options for middle INF. Didi on a one-year deal would probably be cheap. Kolten Wong from STL would be a push salary wise.
I think we need to watch Taijuan Walker closely in FA. The Yanks have long been interested in him- and he really seemed to put it together in 2020- albeit over a very short time period. However, he would not come cheaply.
Walker was fools gold this year. His FIP and xFIP were both over 4.50 and he walked more than 3 per 9. This is not to say he won't improve or that NYY shouldn't touch him, but if he doesn't come cheap they should stay away.
I can wrap my head around the idea of letting DJLM walk to spend the $ on pitching, but there isn't a single pitcher on the FA market that represents a significant upgrade of the rotation from what we saw this season. It will need to come from the trade market if they truly want it to be better.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
He has two years to prove he can stay healthy,
no reason for the Yanks to do anything now...
People need to accept the fact he is going to strike out,
just the way it is, same for Stanton, accept it or not.
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But, the best option is to let DJ walk in FA.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
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Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in the modern information world still cling to a ludite stat like Batting Average as something meaningful.
After age 35, Jeter had two seasons with an OPS+ of 100 or more- including one where he was exactly at 100. His annual WAR exceeded 2.0 one time after his age 35 season- his dead cat bounce season of 2012.
Keep in mind that Jeter was the most gifted offensive middle INF of his generation in durability and length of production. Even his greatness failed him after 2015- except for that dead cat bounce season.
Is DJLM equal to DJ- absolutely not. To expect DJLM to somehow outperform late career Jeter is folly. Let another team make that mistake.
Remember as well that there are going to be an inordinate number of of non-tenders and DFAs this winter from teams that are really taking a financial hit. No need to pay top dollar when you can get a poor man’s version of DJLM for a mere fraction of the cost- which allows money to be allocated to SP- which is the real weakness.
If that rules out DJ. So be it.
I still like rich's idea of Gary for Posey.
What about going after Gausman on a one year deal?
If that rules out DJ. So be it.
I still like rich's idea of Gary for Posey.
What about going after Gausman on a one year deal?
Gausman wouldn’t be a bad idea. He has good K numbers, but somehow gets hit harder than a guy with his stuff should.
To bring the same exact line-up back after 3 consecutive years of feeble performances in the post-season and hope for different result would be incomprehensible. Unfortunately, there are no obvious moves, but something needs to be done.
I really don't think Hal will open up the checkbook and I'm okay with that. If Cashman is as good as everyone says he is, he'll come up with something. I'd look from within for pitching and shake up the line-up with a couple of high contact left-handed hitters to balance it a little.
I agree that some kind of shake-up is in order.
I think the real culprit is actually the alleged strength- the bullpen. Bullpens by nature are fickle and can be up and down. Having a deep stable of guys doesn’t change that, especially since you cannot use them every day.
I think having some strong SP that can go 6-7 deep is the better play. Too often the Yanks want to pull their guy in the 4th or 5th- wears down the pen over the long run.
Instead, let Cole be Cole next season, and add 2 guys who can rack up effective innings. I think you let Montgomery roll with the rotation until Sevy returns. Cashman said June/July, but the reporters covering the comments failed to pick up on the caveat- that this was to take the pressure off him to return early- but when ready, he will go.
I think for all the outcry, if German is healthy and effective, he will return. It is indisputable that what Chapman did was worse, yet the Yanks went so far as to trade FOR him. It will probably help the situation that the season will almost certain re-open without fans, or few fans.
The offense is fine. However, Sanchez appears to be broken. A trade is best for all involved so he can get a fresh start somewhere else. The Yanks can find another C- they have the prospect depth. They will find another middle INF in the no-tenders or FA (or even trade).
The bullpen should be re-imagined. More long type relievers, less one inning guys. Forget about multiple closer types. I actually would let Britton go. Chapman is likely untradeable- teams aren’t willing to pay big $$ to anyone right now- maybe the Mets will- but not too many others. If the Dodgers don’t make the WS or lose theWS, they may look to add? But that’s about it.
I think the pitching as a whole has gotten into a mental rut by looking over their shoulder for the quick hook instead of mentally grinding through 6-7 innings, or thinking about the next guy coming after them. They need to think about getting multiple innings of guys out and not worrying about getting taken out (unless they get rocked).
A top end defensive C who can get on base just enough might help the whole staff out. I really think that Sanchez didn’t have their confidence- and Cole clarified it for everyone by demanding Higgy to be his C.
To recap- shake up the bullpen, add some front end SP (trade, FA, whatever) and add a new C (subtract Sanchez).
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But, the best option is to let DJ walk in FA.
FA contracts cannot be based on prior production, but what can be anticipated going forward. What is overlooked is that DJ is not some young player like Torres. Middle INF age quickly- and people may not realize that DJ is already 32, turning 33 in July.
Even Jeter, who was one of the better offensive middle INF of this generation, had stopped hitting at age 35 (with the exception of a single rebound season). Expecting DJ to somehow be the exception is unwise.
Furthermore, while DJ has outperformed his contract over the past two seasons, keep in mind that his prior 7 seasons were in Colorado- where he had exactly ONE season with an OPS+ over 100. Has DJ somehow magically transformed into a superior hitter- possibly, but unlikely.
Right now, DJ is in line for a major raise on his prior $12M. That might not be feasible in the current market- where you may be able to get a vet on the cheap. Any extra money likely gets assigned to improving the rotation. Signing offensive pieces only marginally improves the offense- they already have one of the better offenses- which improves the team more- adding quality SP or adding an 8th high end bat to the lineup? I would argue the rotation helps more.
The Yanks need to be careful that they don’t add an albatross contract that comes back to burn them down the road. They may be better off seeking a high OBP middle INF on a short term deal and figuring out who plays SS and 2B later- and focus on SP this winter.
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Jeter hit .334, .270, .297 and .316 in his
age 35-38 seasons. The following season he had that ankle surgery after hurting his ankle in the playoffs (2013).
Then 2014, his last season he didn't hit.
You are creating a false narrative, they should sign DJ,
but I wouldn't give him a 100 mill. contract either.
People say move Voit, he made about 675K, very little money in baseball, he will get a raise in arbitration.
He's not hurting the payroll, that's the point I am making. If they can't sign DJ. then go sign a SS,
move Torres back to second base. A few available in FA.
There is zero reason to move Gio, zero. You don't move a gold glove caliber third baseman.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in the modern information world still cling to a ludite stat like Batting Average as something meaningful.
After age 35, Jeter had two seasons with an OPS+ of 100 or more- including one where he was exactly at 100. His annual WAR exceeded 2.0 one time after his age 35 season- his dead cat bounce season of 2012.
Keep in mind that Jeter was the most gifted offensive middle INF of his generation in durability and length of production. Even his greatness failed him after 2015- except for that dead cat bounce season.
Is DJLM equal to DJ- absolutely not. To expect DJLM to somehow outperform late career Jeter is folly. Let another team make that mistake.
Remember as well that there are going to be an inordinate number of of non-tenders and DFAs this winter from teams that are really taking a financial hit. No need to pay top dollar when you can get a poor man’s version of DJLM for a mere fraction of the cost- which allows money to be allocated to SP- which is the real weakness.
I don't cling to BA my friend, you said he didn't hit.
I think I showed he did. BTW, when you don't have a high slugging percentage, that affects your OPS, does it not?
VERY difficult to have a high OPS when you slug in the
.450 range, he wasn't a HR hitter.
With someone like a Jeter, you look at OBA, since he hit at the top of the order. His OBA was still pretty good, during his 35-38 years.
I have no doubt DJ would hit for another few years
at least. As I said above, I would not give him a
100 mill. contract, he is only 32, not 35-36.
I would go a four year deal on him. in the 70 mill. range. That's just me. Maybe a team option on a 5th year.
I said 3/50 about a month ago, that won't get it done
it seems.
Yeah. You're probably right.
I guess those are all among the top guys, but we have a ton of money in SP coming off the books and a huge need. That should be the priority.
I wish they could do Didi and DJ, but that's just too many resources unless they trade Voit. But I'd rather put that money in SP.
Stanton when healthy is perhaps the best hitter in baseball. I know people knock his injuries, but he hasn't missed the postseason yet for us. And he's produced then.
Adding Frazier's bat into the everyday lineup will be a boost too.
I'd consider bringing back Gardner on a 1 year deal for cheap if he's willing. Outside of the bullpen, Tauchman was a disappointment, in coming back to earth this year. Figures some of that 2019 team was a mirage. That said, Tauchman is getting peanuts, so the marginal value Gardner brings means his cost has to be cheap. Idk if the value matches up for both sides.
I wonder if Gardner plays somewhere else.
Thanks. Didn't know that. I think it comes down to whether Cash is giving up on Torres at SS. I think he should. Torres doesn't have the killer instinct in the field to say: this is mine, that you need from a shortstop. I'd give Didi multiyears.
I have a feeling they're going to give it another year though.
a qualifying offer last year. Players don't forget that,
doesn't mean he is mad, but they also don't forget.
I also heard he has a good relationship with Girardi.
You know what you are getting with him, that also includes
a low OBP. The team has to accept that about him.
The QO this year is suppose to be about 18.9 mill. wow.
a qualifying offer last year. Players don't forget that,
doesn't mean he is mad, but they also don't forget.
I also heard he has a good relationship with Girardi.
You know what you are getting with him, that also includes
a low OBP. The team has to accept that about him.
The QO this year is suppose to be about 18.9 mill. wow.
18.9 simply represents the average salary of the top 125 players in baseball. It's far from outrageous when you look at it in that context.