That was the word on the street. Gettleman seemed to be enamored with Herbert. I think he went out to Oregon once or twice to watch him play...which is more than he can say about DJ (he only saw DJ at the Senior Bowl)
Cool so he settled with the sixth pick of the draft
the Giants were very high on Herbert, and belief was he would be the pick if the opportunity presented itself.
When it did not, they pivoted to what was effectively their second QB choice. A strategy I did not love, because I believed they'd be drafting high again in 2020, with a good shot at Herbert being there for them.
Pauline's source is prolly the same guy that said McAdoo wanted Mahomes.
Bottom line is the NYG took someone else and you've got to play with the guys you actually drafted - not the guys you kinda, maybe, should have drafted.
but remains to be seen who will be the better NFL QB of the two players. Herbert is doing things now that Jones did as a rookie, let's not forget that. Herbert also hasn't won a game yet, for everyone here that loves to count wins and losses as a measure for young QB growth.
don't wind up getting. How convenient this all being discussed now, despite some prior asshat leaks of the interest, when Hebert is doing well and Jones isn't. DG is on the hotseat and a story breaks how he wanted a currently high-performing QB but missed out...uh huh.
If DG had conviction in Herbert than why not just go with the ER Josh Allen instead of Jones in the 2019 draft, and pursue Herbert the following year? Its not like they weren't paying Eli $20M+ to be on the roster. Or maybe make a deal in 2019 with one of the #1 picks and get yourself set up for 2020 when Hebert does enter the draft?
if Herbert had come out in 2019, he might well have been taken before #6, so we still would have ended up with Jones. The same thing could have easily happened in 2020.
Herbert also could have had a terrible year at Oregon in 2019, or suffered a serious injury.
The decision to draft Jones or any other player should be independent of whether another player who plays their position will be available in a future draft.
but then again - New York Giants GM Dave Gettleman said he and the team fell in "full bloom love" with QB Daniel Jones at the Senior Bowl. Link - ( New Window )
don't wind up getting. How convenient this all being discussed now, despite some prior asshat leaks of the interest, when Hebert is doing well and Jones isn't. DG is on the hotseat and a story breaks how he wanted a currently high-performing QB but missed out...uh huh.
If DG had conviction in Herbert than why not just go with the ER Josh Allen instead of Jones in the 2019 draft, and pursue Herbert the following year? Its not like they weren't paying Eli $20M+ to be on the roster. Or maybe make a deal in 2019 with one of the #1 picks and get yourself set up for 2020 when Hebert does enter the draft?
A big whatever.
Alot can happen in a year. Who saw Joe Burrow rocket like that?
As my friend Dwight says: "if ifs and buts were candies and nuts then every day would be Erntedankfest"
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
By 2019, it must have been completely clear to DG and the FO that Eli was done. He was completely immobile, and basically needed a clean pocket on every passing play to have any chance of success. They had already cut Webb, and also knew that Lauletta was not going to succeed Eli.
Their choices were Jones, Lock, or Haskins in 2019, or wait until 2020, when no one knew if they would be able or willing to draft Herbert. Burrow was not considered anywhere near a first round pick going into 2019, and because he went #1, we wouldn't have been able to take him anyway. I doubt the Giants had much interest in Tua, Love, Rosen, or Haskins.
The options were therefore either to take Jones or Lock in 2019, or wait until 2020 and hope that they were able and willing to draft Herbert.
The end result is that once Herbert decided to stay in school, either Jones or Lock was going to be a Giant, in that order. Remember that Denver immediately traded its pick as soon as we drafted Jones, and didn't even take Lock until pick #42, despite also having pick #41.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Or instead of letting Manning play out the string and enter the qb bonanza in the 2020 draft. That's what the Chargers did.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants wanted Herbert but he
wasn't available to them so they probably figure to wait until 2020 was too much of a gamble. Didn't know obviously their draft slot for 2020 or how high he might go. Also injury possibility factor to consider. I remember many on here liked him but some did not. Giants fell in love with DJ (sarcasm not intended) so they took him.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
When I finally heard they were probably going QB at #6, it was prefaced with a "how many fans do you think would revolt" if they didn't go QB at #6. It suggested they were well (overly) aware of the optics for picking a QB at #6.
By 2019, it must have been completely clear to DG and the FO that Eli was done. He was completely immobile, and basically needed a clean pocket on every passing play to have any chance of success. They had already cut Webb, and also knew that Lauletta was not going to succeed Eli.
Their choices were Jones, Lock, or Haskins in 2019, or wait until 2020, when no one knew if they would be able or willing to draft Herbert. Burrow was not considered anywhere near a first round pick going into 2019, and because he went #1, we wouldn't have been able to take him anyway. I doubt the Giants had much interest in Tua, Love, Rosen, or Haskins.
The options were therefore either to take Jones or Lock in 2019, or wait until 2020 and hope that they were able and willing to draft Herbert.
The end result is that once Herbert decided to stay in school, either Jones or Lock was going to be a Giant, in that order. Remember that Denver immediately traded its pick as soon as we drafted Jones, and didn't even take Lock until pick #42, despite also having pick #41.
There were several ways to play it other than to reach for a slightly better version of Drew Lock with the 6th pick. Let Manning play out the string and see where you end up in the draft order. (the Chargers plan with Rivers) As it turned out, Herbert was there at pick #6. Or you end up with Burrow or Tua. If one of those wasn't there, you still have your #1 pick, gamble on a guy with huge upside like a Hurts or Love, your qb becomes one of the vets who are always hanging around (like Fitzpatrick or as we did with Kurt Warner and Kerry Collins) and you spend your draft capital on building up the rest of the team.
The way we did it was formulaic (we have to have the qb of the future right now! Quick, draft Eli's successor from the same coach; they'll be the same player!) and a waste of a #6 pick.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Yes, they filled key holes at QB and LT in the past two drafts, but did they actually draft the right players. Did they maximize the value positionally or did they shortchange themselves literally when they could least afford it. Time will tell, but I sure liked the prospect of picking Josh Allen (ER), Dexter Lawrence, and Justin Herbert much better as pillars.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
When I finally heard they were probably going QB at #6, it was prefaced with a "how many fans do you think would revolt" if they didn't go QB at #6. It suggested they were well (overly) aware of the optics for picking a QB at #6.
This is really scary. It seems they are basing their choices on fans feedback.
I'm beginning to think benching Eli was a test balloon..
Sometimes I wish I followed a team like the Steelers or Cowboys, they almost always use their first round picks on the player the fan base is clamoring for. Before Saquon Barkley, the last time the Giants picked the guy I wanted was Kenny Phillips.
So...you were sure that we'd be in range to pick Herbert before we even played a game of the 2019 season?
When it did not, they pivoted to what was effectively their second QB choice. A strategy I did not love, because I believed they'd be drafting high again in 2020, with a good shot at Herbert being there for them.
Bottom line is the NYG took someone else and you've got to play with the guys you actually drafted - not the guys you kinda, maybe, should have drafted.
He settles for Jones at #6 which looks to be a massive reach?
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before the 2019 draft. Josh Allen (the edge) and go with Eli for one more year. But, after the pick I became a DJ supporter.
So...you were sure that we'd be in range to pick Herbert before we even played a game of the 2019 season?
Yes
What did he say?
hitdog42 : 10/12/2020 10:08 pm : link : reply
Unfortunately we don’t get points for that
He settles for Jones at #6 which looks to be a massive reach?
Could have been worse like taking Haskins, for instance.
At the end of the day, he probably ended up where he was supposed to.
He settles for Jones at #6 which looks to be a massive reach?
Once you realize who the decision belongs to, it makes it very easy to understand.
they scouted him last year again even post jones.
If DG had conviction in Herbert than why not just go with the ER Josh Allen instead of Jones in the 2019 draft, and pursue Herbert the following year? Its not like they weren't paying Eli $20M+ to be on the roster. Or maybe make a deal in 2019 with one of the #1 picks and get yourself set up for 2020 when Hebert does enter the draft?
A big whatever.
Herbert also could have had a terrible year at Oregon in 2019, or suffered a serious injury.
The decision to draft Jones or any other player should be independent of whether another player who plays their position will be available in a future draft.
Link - ( New Window )
If DG had conviction in Herbert than why not just go with the ER Josh Allen instead of Jones in the 2019 draft, and pursue Herbert the following year? Its not like they weren't paying Eli $20M+ to be on the roster. Or maybe make a deal in 2019 with one of the #1 picks and get yourself set up for 2020 when Hebert does enter the draft?
A big whatever.
Alot can happen in a year. Who saw Joe Burrow rocket like that?
As my friend Dwight says: "if ifs and buts were candies and nuts then every day would be Erntedankfest"
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
By 2019, it must have been completely clear to DG and the FO that Eli was done. He was completely immobile, and basically needed a clean pocket on every passing play to have any chance of success. They had already cut Webb, and also knew that Lauletta was not going to succeed Eli.
Their choices were Jones, Lock, or Haskins in 2019, or wait until 2020, when no one knew if they would be able or willing to draft Herbert. Burrow was not considered anywhere near a first round pick going into 2019, and because he went #1, we wouldn't have been able to take him anyway. I doubt the Giants had much interest in Tua, Love, Rosen, or Haskins.
The options were therefore either to take Jones or Lock in 2019, or wait until 2020 and hope that they were able and willing to draft Herbert.
The end result is that once Herbert decided to stay in school, either Jones or Lock was going to be a Giant, in that order. Remember that Denver immediately traded its pick as soon as we drafted Jones, and didn't even take Lock until pick #42, despite also having pick #41.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
When I finally heard they were probably going QB at #6, it was prefaced with a "how many fans do you think would revolt" if they didn't go QB at #6. It suggested they were well (overly) aware of the optics for picking a QB at #6.
By 2019, it must have been completely clear to DG and the FO that Eli was done. He was completely immobile, and basically needed a clean pocket on every passing play to have any chance of success. They had already cut Webb, and also knew that Lauletta was not going to succeed Eli.
Their choices were Jones, Lock, or Haskins in 2019, or wait until 2020, when no one knew if they would be able or willing to draft Herbert. Burrow was not considered anywhere near a first round pick going into 2019, and because he went #1, we wouldn't have been able to take him anyway. I doubt the Giants had much interest in Tua, Love, Rosen, or Haskins.
The options were therefore either to take Jones or Lock in 2019, or wait until 2020 and hope that they were able and willing to draft Herbert.
The end result is that once Herbert decided to stay in school, either Jones or Lock was going to be a Giant, in that order. Remember that Denver immediately traded its pick as soon as we drafted Jones, and didn't even take Lock until pick #42, despite also having pick #41.
The way we did it was formulaic (we have to have the qb of the future right now! Quick, draft Eli's successor from the same coach; they'll be the same player!) and a waste of a #6 pick.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
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In comment 15009618 JonC said:
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
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In comment 15009618 JonC said:
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
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In comment 15009618 JonC said:
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
When I finally heard they were probably going QB at #6, it was prefaced with a "how many fans do you think would revolt" if they didn't go QB at #6. It suggested they were well (overly) aware of the optics for picking a QB at #6.
This is really scary. It seems they are basing their choices on fans feedback.
I'm beginning to think benching Eli was a test balloon..
A lot of broken remotes.