That was the word on the street. Gettleman seemed to be enamored with Herbert. I think he went out to Oregon once or twice to watch him play...which is more than he can say about DJ (he only saw DJ at the Senior Bowl)
I know the Giants - like every other team - have their share of misses over the years, but drafting an RB at #2 overall, reaching for Jones and missing out on Chase Young because of a coin flip OT win in Washington in consecutive years has gotten into my head. Becoming more likely that we're gonna land at #2 this year and watch Trevor Lawrence in a Jets uniform for 10+ years, which will be another punch in the gut. Dark times indeed.
drafting Jones should have been off the table. The Giants spent $23M on Eli for four starts and the right to deprive Jones of an off-season of starter's practice reps. Remember then that the narrative was how much Eli could teach Jones. How did that turn out?
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
is better revisited in 2022. We won't know the careers of these guys for another 2 years, let alone now. Herbert looks good right now. I remember this board after the Tampa game last year.
and that they thought Jones was worth the # 6 pick. He hasn't proven that he is not the future of this team. I was watching Bobby Skinner's video ripping the O-Line for mistakes in the Dallas game and in many of those plays, Jones still managed to make a play.
I'd be okay with Shurmur picking a QB. Not a good head coach but he seems very skilled at developing QBs.
Herbert looks really good but when they shut down the run and applied pressure he struggled a bit, just like Jones and he has a better supporting cast.
Jury just getting seated for both QBs, IMO.
A lot of the initial Jones euphoria was based on low expectations.
The supposed draft gurus described Jones as a guy who couldn't throw at the NFL level and would be a mediocre starter, if not a back-up. I was pleasantly surprised to see him slinging it pretty well, even in preseason, but a longer look at him has brought me back down to earth.
you just described how most young QBs develop over the course of their first 2 seasons. It is a ton of up and down. Great games, great flashes, poor throws, poor decisions.
Everyone loves Herbert right now because he looked good in a few games. I also saw him throw one of the worst passes of the season against New Orleans, but somehow all of BBI missed that one.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
I remember the conversations and I think that there is a lot of revisionism going on here.
you just described how most young QBs develop over the course of their first 2 seasons. It is a ton of up and down. Great games, great flashes, poor throws, poor decisions.
Everyone loves Herbert right now because he looked good in a few games. I also saw him throw one of the worst passes of the season against New Orleans, but somehow all of BBI missed that one.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
So Giants are picking QBs based on BBI posts? Well, I guess he couldn’t do any worse than we have seen.
By the way not suggesting the panic or reaching for DJ is true but I have read a whole lot of people on here that convinced themselves Gettleman was in full bloom love with DJ, he had conviction in the pick and that other teams were going to scoop him up if NYG didn’t jump on him at #6.
I reluctantly agree. Here’s what bothers me though. Gettleman wasn’t this pathetic in Carolina, so what’s different? The answer I come up with is the organization structure for decision making. Too much input from the Mara’s especially our VP of player personnel. Sadly, this isn’t changing anytime soon.
no question it was, and it suggests then Mara scapegoated McAdoo to curb the outrage.
You know, I gave it thought for awhile and dismissed it after awhile. Didn't think the FO was that shrewd to do something like that. But then it got me to thinking:
Remember the Barry Cofield saga where they kept tagging him for 2 years straight and then let him go. This was after paying him peanuts for about 6 years. I said back then, I know I posted it, that that was a very shrewd move by the FO and it made all the sense in the world.
I am strongly leaking toward that idea now. Mara claimed ignorance of the "whole" part of the bench, IIRC. Use McAdoo and Reese as the scapegoats. Bring in Accorsi to appease ??. Bring in Gettleman to finish the caretaking job of Eli and replace him. He did it in Carolina. Makes sense to me.
Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
I reluctantly agree. Here’s what bothers me though. Gettleman wasn’t this pathetic in Carolina, so what’s different? The answer I come up with is the organization structure for decision making. Too much input from the Mara’s especially our VP of player personnel. Sadly, this isn’t changing anytime soon.
The Maras were around for Reese too, and while Reese wasn't perfect his tenure want marked by the same string of fireable offenses. I think Gettleman's stupidity and arrogance were a major factor.
Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
I'm as big an Eli fan as anyone, but this is 100% true.
and that they thought Jones was worth the # 6 pick. He hasn't proven that he is not the future of this team. I was watching Bobby Skinner's video ripping the O-Line for mistakes in the Dallas game and in many of those plays, Jones still managed to make a play.
I'd be okay with Shurmur picking a QB. Not a good head coach but he seems very skilled at developing QBs.
Herbert looks really good but when they shut down the run and applied pressure he struggled a bit, just like Jones and he has a better supporting cast.
I know the Giants - like every other team - have their share of misses over the years, but drafting an RB at #2 overall, reaching for Jones and missing out on Chase Young because of a coin flip OT win in Washington in consecutive years has gotten into my head. Becoming more likely that we're gonna land at #2 this year and watch Trevor Lawrence in a Jets uniform for 10+ years, which will be another punch in the gut. Dark times indeed.
Yup. It's bad either way. Either we reached/settled for DJ, or the FO/ownership is now prepping us for the excuses this offseason.
Don't blame Getts, this was Shurmur's pick; hence, we'll keep Dave around for a while longer because of that... and COVID.
The only good thing out of this is, he's not as stupid as we think, even he sees Herbert is better than DJ... and there's a very super minuscule chance management/ownership moves off DJ, since, as the leaks go, DJ wasn't really Getts' pick.
in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
They couldn’t have been blasted worse then when they took Jones at 6.
I think Gettleman was absolutely in "full bloom love" with the guy. He saw Eli 2.0 with the new mobility feature. Let's not be naive here, everyone at Jints Central wanted another Eli.
My speculation is Gettleman needed some cover after the pick because there was such a visceral reaction (at least in some corners). So threw that bullsh-t story out there that he was concerned other teams moving up for DJ. To this day, I don't but that for one second...
This Herbert thing has been out there. Let's give Herbert more time to develop before we call that a potential miss.
The bigger miss was McAdoo's recommendation to draft Mahomes. That was a chance to significantly change the franchise in the most positive way...
is turning out to be somewhat of a nothing burger in retrospect imo. Darnold and Rosen have shown squat and Josh Allen is just too much 20/20 hindsight.
The far bigger problem has been drafting NFL starters, and that's been an issue since 2012.
I think picking Nelson or Chubb would have been the correct answer in 2018, but that would have been a good TEAM move, not just an Eli move. If picking Herbert in 2020 was the best possible scenario, then drafting another position of need at #6 and trotting Eli out for all of 2019 might have ensured that.
drafting Jones should have been off the table. The Giants spent $23M on Eli for four starts and the right to deprive Jones of an off-season of starter's practice reps. Remember then that the narrative was how much Eli could teach Jones. How did that turn out?
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
^^^^^^** this x 1000
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
And Herbert the next year. Instead we settled at QB and our OT has been uninspiring thus far.
If DG is making the picks next year, God help us.
The QB Josh Allen is most interesting debate for me. That is looking like the real miss - choosing SB over him. Allen is THE TYPE of player, with his size and mobility, who looks to have the ability to overcome more offensive deficiencies than most. He is a real play maker...
All I want to know is will any of this bullshit preclude the NYG from
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I reluctantly agree. Here’s what bothers me though. Gettleman wasn’t this pathetic in Carolina, so what’s different? The answer I come up with is the organization structure for decision making. Too much input from the Mara’s especially our VP of player personnel. Sadly, this isn’t changing anytime soon.
The Maras were around for Reese too, and while Reese wasn't perfect his tenure want marked by the same string of fireable offenses. I think Gettleman's stupidity and arrogance were a major factor.
I wrote that a lot going into the draft because everyone wanted Haskins on this board or at least a majority. Thankfully Haskins never happened as well as Rosen and Darnold from the previous year. Hopefully we keep Judge and at least get some continuity going forward.
During the 2018 season, DG personally attended at least 2 of Herbert's games, and rumors in the press were Herbert was the guy he wanted; which ended when Herbert chose to stay in school for his Senior year.
During the 2018 season, DG personally attended at least 2 of Herbert's games, and rumors in the press were Herbert was the guy he wanted; which ended when Herbert chose to stay in school for his Senior year.
Attending two games does not mean he intended to draft the guy. Maybe he was scouting other players as well. Rumors again?
That was the word on the street. Gettleman seemed to be enamored with Herbert. I think he went out to Oregon once or twice to watch him play...which is more than he can say about DJ (he only saw DJ at the Senior Bowl)
i think giants scouts were at more then 5 games.
The scouts were, sure. I'm talking about Gettleman specifically.
And Herbert the next year. Instead we settled at QB and our OT has been uninspiring thus far.
If DG is making the picks next year, God help us.
The QB Josh Allen is most interesting debate for me. That is looking like the real miss - choosing SB over him. Allen is THE TYPE of player, with his size and mobility, who looks to have the ability to overcome more offensive deficiencies than most. He is a real play maker...
Allen was a risk. I liked him because his arm and legs reminded me of Terry Bradshaw who had some small success in the NFL. Barkley though was a much safer play in terms of boom or bust.
is turning out to be somewhat of a nothing burger in retrospect imo. Darnold and Rosen have shown squat and Josh Allen is just too much 20/20 hindsight.
Josh Allen, who a team traded up to #7 to draft, who was drafted before Rosen, is too much hindsight?
I'd argue the Bills just have a good GM and a good head coach.
RE: The moment they paid Eli's bonus in March 2019,
drafting Jones should have been off the table. The Giants spent $23M on Eli for four starts and the right to deprive Jones of an off-season of starter's practice reps. Remember then that the narrative was how much Eli could teach Jones. How did that turn out?
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
Damn, i cant disagree with one part of this. This sh#t show is mind numbing....
Allen had accuracy issues going back to high school. If he's fixed those in the NFL that is certainly to his credit, but it's also extremely unusual. He also had a bad collarbone injury in college that had to be fixed with plates and screws.
Completely agree that just because no one on BBI was sold
on Josh Allen isn't an excuse for not getting him. If a QB is obvious he doesn't last until pick #7 and you could certainly say they reached and a lot more with Jones at 6 than Allen would have been at 2. There is an argument to be made that you bring in someone like Shurmur primarily to harness the talent of a player like Allen IMO.
Also it can't be said enough about the sound bites the team gives. A lot is made to downplay them. But some of these statements age so poorly so quickly I'm not sure I've seen anything like it in sports. Even just this past offseason, doubling down on Barkley as an "outlier" and Andrew Thomas as the most NFL ready tackle. After making statements that have already reflected so poorly on you in the past you'd think the Giants would be MORE careful with their words.
You hear people saying things like "it's just being cagey or DG plays it up for the media to mess with them" well that isn't really consistent with the way they do things like justify Jones as the pick where they picked him. That isn't very strategic or confident, they are inconsistent and appear more insecure projecting false confidence than anything.
The way they interact with the public makes their decision making process seem incredibly flawed and it just makes them seem really quite dumb. The fact that they can't even see this part and adjust is astounding.
Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
I'm fine with moving on after 2017 with Eli or whatever but the big difference in the Geno game was all of sudden it seemed as if Engram decided to demonstrate some sort of effort in showing decent hands. A ton of the plays that got the Giants down field were plays made by Shepard or Engram that they weren't making (or dropping) when Eli was playing.
I made mention about the Engram thing even back then and it may be nothing but his rise in effort during that Raider game definitely had me curious.
That game was boring as fuck so I just may be making it up in my head. Geno also coughed up two fumbles in that game.
RE: A lot of the initial Jones euphoria was based on low expectations.
The supposed draft gurus described Jones as a guy who couldn't throw at the NFL level and would be a mediocre starter, if not a back-up. I was pleasantly surprised to see him slinging it pretty well, even in preseason, but a longer look at him has brought me back down to earth.
+1
But I was never worried about his arm, I was worried about his head... I.E. decision making. Shurmur is a QB wisperer and had an offense that minimized these issues. They are back in full force.
RE: Completely agree that just because no one on BBI was sold
on Josh Allen isn't an excuse for not getting him. If a QB is obvious he doesn't last until pick #7 and you could certainly say they reached and a lot more with Jones at 6 than Allen would have been at 2. There is an argument to be made that you bring in someone like Shurmur primarily to harness the talent of a player like Allen IMO.
Also it can't be said enough about the sound bites the team gives. A lot is made to downplay them. But some of these statements age so poorly so quickly I'm not sure I've seen anything like it in sports. Even just this past offseason, doubling down on Barkley as an "outlier" and Andrew Thomas as the most NFL ready tackle. After making statements that have already reflected so poorly on you in the past you'd think the Giants would be MORE careful with their words.
You hear people saying things like "it's just being cagey or DG plays it up for the media to mess with them" well that isn't really consistent with the way they do things like justify Jones as the pick where they picked him. That isn't very strategic or confident, they are inconsistent and appear more insecure projecting false confidence than anything.
The way they interact with the public makes their decision making process seem incredibly flawed and it just makes them seem really quite dumb. The fact that they can't even see this part and adjust is astounding.
Did the Chargers reach for Herbert at 6? That's what the thread is all about and people bitching we didn't wait for him.
I do think the Giants panicked in that draft. Gaming it out they definitely didn't expect Josh Allen to be there, and then they were furiously working the phones to trade up from 17. There's a poster here, not going to out them because they said they shouldn't have divulged the information, that said DJ was definitely the Broncos target. Considering how they acted in that draft I think it's likely that's not bullshit.
and is dedication to football or am I mis-remembering?. I thought there was talk about his family having money and maybe his heart wasn't into football..
and is dedication to football or am I mis-remembering?. I thought there was talk about his family having money and maybe his heart wasn't into football..
Are you talking about Josh Allen the QB? If so I think you are conflating him with the other Josh... Josh Rosen.
and that no one on BBI that I can recall was sold on him but that doesn't mean the Giants couldn't have seen it. Also, per my other point on this, if someone was going to get the most out of Allen's talent it was Shurmur.
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
I'd be okay with Shurmur picking a QB. Not a good head coach but he seems very skilled at developing QBs.
Herbert looks really good but when they shut down the run and applied pressure he struggled a bit, just like Jones and he has a better supporting cast.
Jury just getting seated for both QBs, IMO.
Everyone loves Herbert right now because he looked good in a few games. I also saw him throw one of the worst passes of the season against New Orleans, but somehow all of BBI missed that one.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
I think a majority of us wanted and expected the pick to be Josh Allen. DJ at 6 came way out of left field.
Not only that, but many posters were of the opinion that it was not the draft to get your franchise qb. Most fell in line with the pick once it was made, but I doubt anyone would have screamed over passing on the 2019 class.
I remember the conversations and I think that there is a lot of revisionism going on here.
Everyone loves Herbert right now because he looked good in a few games. I also saw him throw one of the worst passes of the season against New Orleans, but somehow all of BBI missed that one.
This is exactly right.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
So Giants are picking QBs based on BBI posts? Well, I guess he couldn’t do any worse than we have seen.
By the way not suggesting the panic or reaching for DJ is true but I have read a whole lot of people on here that convinced themselves Gettleman was in full bloom love with DJ, he had conviction in the pick and that other teams were going to scoop him up if NYG didn’t jump on him at #6.
Just sayin’
You know, I gave it thought for awhile and dismissed it after awhile. Didn't think the FO was that shrewd to do something like that. But then it got me to thinking:
Remember the Barry Cofield saga where they kept tagging him for 2 years straight and then let him go. This was after paying him peanuts for about 6 years. I said back then, I know I posted it, that that was a very shrewd move by the FO and it made all the sense in the world.
I am strongly leaking toward that idea now. Mara claimed ignorance of the "whole" part of the bench, IIRC. Use McAdoo and Reese as the scapegoats. Bring in Accorsi to appease ??. Bring in Gettleman to finish the caretaking job of Eli and replace him. He did it in Carolina. Makes sense to me.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
The Maras were around for Reese too, and while Reese wasn't perfect his tenure want marked by the same string of fireable offenses. I think Gettleman's stupidity and arrogance were a major factor.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
I'm as big an Eli fan as anyone, but this is 100% true.
I think you had it right. The Eli plan A was close to finished and they wanted a guy to learn with Eli for a year.
I'd be okay with Shurmur picking a QB. Not a good head coach but he seems very skilled at developing QBs.
Herbert looks really good but when they shut down the run and applied pressure he struggled a bit, just like Jones and he has a better supporting cast.
Jury just getting seated for both QBs, IMO.
+1. Excellent analysis.
Yup. It's bad either way. Either we reached/settled for DJ, or the FO/ownership is now prepping us for the excuses this offseason.
Don't blame Getts, this was Shurmur's pick; hence, we'll keep Dave around for a while longer because of that... and COVID.
The only good thing out of this is, he's not as stupid as we think, even he sees Herbert is better than DJ... and there's a very super minuscule chance management/ownership moves off DJ, since, as the leaks go, DJ wasn't really Getts' pick.
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in picking Jones, to my eye. You won't get anyone to admit to it, of course.
Unfortunately I agree with this. Sounds like they talked themselves into a QB. DG knew he wasn’t going anywhere with Eli behind this line. So instead of just sucking and taking our medicine (which as you can tell by BBI would have gone splendidly with the fans) he took the QB at 6 instead of waiting and trying to trade up from 17.
Do you remember the tenor here 2019 pre-draft? If they did not pick a QB, he would have been blasted (not in the butt) like crazy.
They couldn’t have been blasted worse then when they took Jones at 6.
My speculation is Gettleman needed some cover after the pick because there was such a visceral reaction (at least in some corners). So threw that bullsh-t story out there that he was concerned other teams moving up for DJ. To this day, I don't but that for one second...
This Herbert thing has been out there. Let's give Herbert more time to develop before we call that a potential miss.
The bigger miss was McAdoo's recommendation to draft Mahomes. That was a chance to significantly change the franchise in the most positive way...
The far bigger problem has been drafting NFL starters, and that's been an issue since 2012.
I think picking Nelson or Chubb would have been the correct answer in 2018, but that would have been a good TEAM move, not just an Eli move. If picking Herbert in 2020 was the best possible scenario, then drafting another position of need at #6 and trotting Eli out for all of 2019 might have ensured that.
If DG is making the picks next year, God help us.
Wonderful.
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
^^^^^^** this x 1000
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
If DG is making the picks next year, God help us.
The QB Josh Allen is most interesting debate for me. That is looking like the real miss - choosing SB over him. Allen is THE TYPE of player, with his size and mobility, who looks to have the ability to overcome more offensive deficiencies than most. He is a real play maker...
Fucking Dave....worst GM in all of North American professional sports...
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I reluctantly agree. Here’s what bothers me though. Gettleman wasn’t this pathetic in Carolina, so what’s different? The answer I come up with is the organization structure for decision making. Too much input from the Mara’s especially our VP of player personnel. Sadly, this isn’t changing anytime soon.
The Maras were around for Reese too, and while Reese wasn't perfect his tenure want marked by the same string of fireable offenses. I think Gettleman's stupidity and arrogance were a major factor.
Attending two games does not mean he intended to draft the guy. Maybe he was scouting other players as well. Rumors again?
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That was the word on the street. Gettleman seemed to be enamored with Herbert. I think he went out to Oregon once or twice to watch him play...which is more than he can say about DJ (he only saw DJ at the Senior Bowl)
i think giants scouts were at more then 5 games.
The scouts were, sure. I'm talking about Gettleman specifically.
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And Herbert the next year. Instead we settled at QB and our OT has been uninspiring thus far.
If DG is making the picks next year, God help us.
The QB Josh Allen is most interesting debate for me. That is looking like the real miss - choosing SB over him. Allen is THE TYPE of player, with his size and mobility, who looks to have the ability to overcome more offensive deficiencies than most. He is a real play maker...
Josh Allen, who a team traded up to #7 to draft, who was drafted before Rosen, is too much hindsight?
I'd argue the Bills just have a good GM and a good head coach.
The biggest failing of this front office, even worse than talent assessment, has been asset allocation. The decisions have been mystifying:
- Bringing Eli back in 2018
- Signing Beckham and then trading him for less than he could have netted had he been treated a year earlier
- drafting a running back #2 overall
- Bringing Eli back in '19 AND drafting Jones #6 overall
- trading a third rounder for FA-to-be Leonard Williams at 2-6
And each of these moves was accompanied by a dumb-shit soundbyte that became a meme. Dave Gettleman has to be one of the stupidest motherfuckers ever to be an NFL GM.
Damn, i cant disagree with one part of this. This sh#t show is mind numbing....
Lol. Good post.
Also it can't be said enough about the sound bites the team gives. A lot is made to downplay them. But some of these statements age so poorly so quickly I'm not sure I've seen anything like it in sports. Even just this past offseason, doubling down on Barkley as an "outlier" and Andrew Thomas as the most NFL ready tackle. After making statements that have already reflected so poorly on you in the past you'd think the Giants would be MORE careful with their words.
You hear people saying things like "it's just being cagey or DG plays it up for the media to mess with them" well that isn't really consistent with the way they do things like justify Jones as the pick where they picked him. That isn't very strategic or confident, they are inconsistent and appear more insecure projecting false confidence than anything.
The way they interact with the public makes their decision making process seem incredibly flawed and it just makes them seem really quite dumb. The fact that they can't even see this part and adjust is astounding.
I'm fine with moving on after 2017 with Eli or whatever but the big difference in the Geno game was all of sudden it seemed as if Engram decided to demonstrate some sort of effort in showing decent hands. A ton of the plays that got the Giants down field were plays made by Shepard or Engram that they weren't making (or dropping) when Eli was playing.
I made mention about the Engram thing even back then and it may be nothing but his rise in effort during that Raider game definitely had me curious.
That game was boring as fuck so I just may be making it up in my head. Geno also coughed up two fumbles in that game.
+1
But I was never worried about his arm, I was worried about his head... I.E. decision making. Shurmur is a QB wisperer and had an offense that minimized these issues. They are back in full force.
Also it can't be said enough about the sound bites the team gives. A lot is made to downplay them. But some of these statements age so poorly so quickly I'm not sure I've seen anything like it in sports. Even just this past offseason, doubling down on Barkley as an "outlier" and Andrew Thomas as the most NFL ready tackle. After making statements that have already reflected so poorly on you in the past you'd think the Giants would be MORE careful with their words.
You hear people saying things like "it's just being cagey or DG plays it up for the media to mess with them" well that isn't really consistent with the way they do things like justify Jones as the pick where they picked him. That isn't very strategic or confident, they are inconsistent and appear more insecure projecting false confidence than anything.
The way they interact with the public makes their decision making process seem incredibly flawed and it just makes them seem really quite dumb. The fact that they can't even see this part and adjust is astounding.
Did the Chargers reach for Herbert at 6? That's what the thread is all about and people bitching we didn't wait for him.
I do think the Giants panicked in that draft. Gaming it out they definitely didn't expect Josh Allen to be there, and then they were furiously working the phones to trade up from 17. There's a poster here, not going to out them because they said they shouldn't have divulged the information, that said DJ was definitely the Broncos target. Considering how they acted in that draft I think it's likely that's not bullshit.
Are you talking about Josh Allen the QB? If so I think you are conflating him with the other Josh... Josh Rosen.