There is an argument to be made that you bring in someone like Shurmur primarily to harness the talent of a player like Allen IMO.
I thought once Shurmur was hired it was a clear indication that the Giants would draft a QB at #2. I guess they figured he could revitalize Eli, but QB at #2 would have made more sense.
There is an argument to be made that you bring in someone like Shurmur primarily to harness the talent of a player like Allen IMO.
I thought once Shurmur was hired it was a clear indication that the Giants would draft a QB at #2. I guess they figured he could revitalize Eli, but QB at #2 would have made more sense.
Yeah and I'm by no means saying we should have picked Darnold or Rosen but given the difference in play between Jones with and without Shurmur, I'm wondering if either of those guys would have different career paths under his tutelage.
Rosen is a guy that seemed like the bright lights might have done well for.
The Jets have been a total disaster but Darnold has flashed some talent and his weapons have been absolutely awful.
I have to say an oddity on BBI is the way so many are willing to trash Darnold while preaching patience for Jones. Darnold's main problem is sloppy play and Jones has had bigger problems with this.
DG completely mismanaged the drafts during his tenure. It’s not about picking players in a vacuum, it’s about having a vision for the roster and utilizing the draft to fulfill that vision. Especially so when you’re rebuilding the roster from the ground up.
The priority from day 1 should’ve been making the OL and DL elite units. The OL could’ve been fixed or close in year 1, and the DL Colbert been fixed or close in year 2. By this year, they would’ve had their QB. They would’ve been set up for long term success, only needed complimentary pieces to be a true contender.
There was no cohesive plan to rebuild this roster. Too many blown resources on corners and safeties. The Barkley pick was idiotic given the state of the OL in real time (Solder, Omameh, Flowers) and the trade value of the pick.
3 years in and the OL is still a disaster and not a single pass rusher worth a shit. So much for “run the ball, stop the run, and rush the passer.”
Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
OK what? I guess in your inverse reality universe Geno Smith losses a game to a very underachieving Raiders team and yet this is evidence that it was Eli's fault the team was 2-10 and that he needed to be retired? Like what?? No, Geno Smith should have won the game to make your point. Jones should be winning games to make your point that it is Eli that is holding team back. If they suck just the same that means it issomething else
Furthermore the fact this is same shit team as last year -- if not worse -- with even shiitier QB play is evidence yet again of the need to replace Manning and even should have done it sooner in your view?
I guess when people have some stupid idea in their head they can twist the logic around in their own universe to confirm their emotions/ beliefs. It is really just familiarity breeding contempt. I am sick of the Eli Manning channel so how about something shiny and new. Never mind that big suit, pat riley hair, totally sucked as a coach. Never mind that Jones hasn't really shown he can be a starting NFL qb not in his rookie year any more, and never mind that this team better hope none of the teams get covid and Sunday's game cancelled; otherwise jones might not throw a TD again for a awhile and the Giants are Washington's only chance at actually winning a game all year. But yeah throw that bum Eli out with no system in place ; shitty over drafted QBs to replace him, and pay him a ton of money to stand on a sideline and watch them lose just the same.
Very disapointed that he stayed in college to play with brother but understandable.
Also wanted Josh Allen.....wanted no part of Haskins. There was too much talent at Ohio St....and at his pro day, being out of shape was a major red flag.
My concern for QB lawrence stems from Clemson being too good. Its men against boys...he seems to have all the tools, but not tested.....
Still holding out hope for Daniel and Thomas....love Barkley and Dexter Lawrence....
Denver and Washington liked Jones a lot. Have to think that either of them take him if we didn't at 6.
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
Gettleman speaks in April 2019 interview about picking Daniel Jones
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Denver and Washington liked Jones a lot. Have to think that either of them take him if we didn't at 6.
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
How is Jones “a lot further along” than Lock? Because he’s played more games?
Lock has actually played no worse than Jones. And with his arm talent, to me, has much more upside.
To this day still one of his more arrogant comments.
Being a scout for the bills while they had Jim Kelly, and inheriting Cam Newton in no way indicates that you get the magic touch with evaluating the hardest position to fill in pro sports. Ernie Accorsi gets to talk like this. Probably not Gettleman.
Denver and Washington liked Jones a lot. Have to think that either of them take him if we didn't at 6.
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
Yeah, not so fast.
It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
RE: To this day still one of his more arrogant comments.
Being a scout for the bills while they had Jim Kelly, and inheriting Cam Newton in no way indicates that you get the magic touch with evaluating the hardest position to fill in pro sports. Ernie Accorsi gets to talk like this. Probably not Gettleman.
I always loved how he went from check out my resume to civil discourse in our society in a few seconds.
It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft room and reported that Lock was Elway's guy. In fact, King had a mock draft prior to the 2018 draft where he predicted the Broncos would trade up to get Lock if he fell in the draft. Do you think King didn't know something? But because so many Gettleman supporters wanted Resume to be right about Jones they drank the Kool Aid when Resume said he knew "for a fact more than one team" wanted Jones.
And Haskins was definitely the WFT pick. Snyder's son played football with Haskins in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. So there was a deep local tie...
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Hence, Resume Dave.
I'll never forget reading that. Another gem among many...
It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft room and reported that Lock was Elway's guy. In fact, King had a mock draft prior to the 2018 draft where he predicted the Broncos would trade up to get Lock if he fell in the draft. Do you think King didn't know something? But because so many Gettleman supporters wanted Resume to be right about Jones they drank the Kool Aid when Resume said he knew "for a fact more than one team" wanted Jones.
And Haskins was definitely the WFT pick. Snyder's son played football with Haskins in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. So there was a deep local tie...
Too many posters here point to fact that Denver traded down right after Jones was picked as confirmation he was there guy.
But reality is Pitt had accumulated a bunch of picks before the draft and wanted to use some of them to move up in Rd 1. And as mentioned, Denver had leaked they could be in favor of a trade down strategy to grab an extra player(s) while expecting a desirable QB to be available later in the draft. The two teams just really accomplished their goals.
Denver and Washington liked Jones a lot. Have to think that either of them take him if we didn't at 6.
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
Check out the thread on Giants favored for first time. Pete44 made a nice post about Bram Weinstein, who was WFT beat reporter. he said the WFT was never going to draft Jones even though the coaches wanted him..
RE: Gettleman speaks in April 2019 interview about picking Daniel Jones
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
This is such a typical boomer comment lol
RE: Gettleman speaks in April 2019 interview about picking Daniel Jones
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Damn I had never seen this full quote, only gotten the gist from seeing it referenced, SMH.
It's crazy the extent the Giants are willing to go through the cycle of (picking a player higher than they know the rest of the league is on them, build up these stories trying to justify the reach, not change their scouting department significantly). When the rest of the league proves to do things better than you and you continue to think you have some angle, that's a level of stupidity and arrogance that is baffling.
Check out the thread on Giants favored for first time. Pete44 made a nice post about Bram Weinstein, who was WFT beat reporter. he said the WFT was never going to draft Jones even though the coaches wanted him..
GMan...Snyder was making the pick if Haskins was still on the board. From what I heard, he was elated when the Giants passed on Haskins for Jones.
Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
I'm as big an Eli fan as anyone, but this is 100% true.
Is it really true ? Reese's jags who are now playing arena league after Gettl cleaned house deserved better ?
We now have Gettl's jags who are similarly bound for arena league but I guess they deserve better too?
But yea I guess since Eli can't take what was a pretty much average to above average roster and put him on his back and win a SB any more that means he is pretty much as useful as Geno Smith ???? um k.
I thought once Shurmur was hired it was a clear indication that the Giants would draft a QB at #2. I guess they figured he could revitalize Eli, but QB at #2 would have made more sense.
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There is an argument to be made that you bring in someone like Shurmur primarily to harness the talent of a player like Allen IMO.
I thought once Shurmur was hired it was a clear indication that the Giants would draft a QB at #2. I guess they figured he could revitalize Eli, but QB at #2 would have made more sense.
Yeah and I'm by no means saying we should have picked Darnold or Rosen but given the difference in play between Jones with and without Shurmur, I'm wondering if either of those guys would have different career paths under his tutelage.
Rosen is a guy that seemed like the bright lights might have done well for.
The Jets have been a total disaster but Darnold has flashed some talent and his weapons have been absolutely awful.
I have to say an oddity on BBI is the way so many are willing to trash Darnold while preaching patience for Jones. Darnold's main problem is sloppy play and Jones has had bigger problems with this.
The priority from day 1 should’ve been making the OL and DL elite units. The OL could’ve been fixed or close in year 1, and the DL Colbert been fixed or close in year 2. By this year, they would’ve had their QB. They would’ve been set up for long term success, only needed complimentary pieces to be a true contender.
There was no cohesive plan to rebuild this roster. Too many blown resources on corners and safeties. The Barkley pick was idiotic given the state of the OL in real time (Solder, Omameh, Flowers) and the trade value of the pick.
3 years in and the OL is still a disaster and not a single pass rusher worth a shit. So much for “run the ball, stop the run, and rush the passer.”
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
OK what? I guess in your inverse reality universe Geno Smith losses a game to a very underachieving Raiders team and yet this is evidence that it was Eli's fault the team was 2-10 and that he needed to be retired? Like what?? No, Geno Smith should have won the game to make your point. Jones should be winning games to make your point that it is Eli that is holding team back. If they suck just the same that means it issomething else
Furthermore the fact this is same shit team as last year -- if not worse -- with even shiitier QB play is evidence yet again of the need to replace Manning and even should have done it sooner in your view?
I guess when people have some stupid idea in their head they can twist the logic around in their own universe to confirm their emotions/ beliefs. It is really just familiarity breeding contempt. I am sick of the Eli Manning channel so how about something shiny and new. Never mind that big suit, pat riley hair, totally sucked as a coach. Never mind that Jones hasn't really shown he can be a starting NFL qb not in his rookie year any more, and never mind that this team better hope none of the teams get covid and Sunday's game cancelled; otherwise jones might not throw a TD again for a awhile and the Giants are Washington's only chance at actually winning a game all year. But yeah throw that bum Eli out with no system in place ; shitty over drafted QBs to replace him, and pay him a ton of money to stand on a sideline and watch them lose just the same.
Also wanted Josh Allen.....wanted no part of Haskins. There was too much talent at Ohio St....and at his pro day, being out of shape was a major red flag.
My concern for QB lawrence stems from Clemson being too good. Its men against boys...he seems to have all the tools, but not tested.....
Still holding out hope for Daniel and Thomas....love Barkley and Dexter Lawrence....
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
How is Jones “a lot further along” than Lock? Because he’s played more games?
Lock has actually played no worse than Jones. And with his arm talent, to me, has much more upside.
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
Yeah, not so fast.
It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
I always loved how he went from check out my resume to civil discourse in our society in a few seconds.
Classic.
It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft room and reported that Lock was Elway's guy. In fact, King had a mock draft prior to the 2018 draft where he predicted the Broncos would trade up to get Lock if he fell in the draft. Do you think King didn't know something? But because so many Gettleman supporters wanted Resume to be right about Jones they drank the Kool Aid when Resume said he knew "for a fact more than one team" wanted Jones.
And Haskins was definitely the WFT pick. Snyder's son played football with Haskins in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. So there was a deep local tie...
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Hence, Resume Dave.
I'll never forget reading that. Another gem among many...
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It's also been very widely reported that Haskins was the Washington pick if he was available all along because that is what the Owner demanded.
Also, rumors about Denver and Daniel Jones are very mixed. He had a private workout with Broncos pre-draft but they were also linked a good bit to favoring Drew Lock for their system. Further, other reports indicated they were always very interested in trading down in the draft to get more picks but also because they thought either QB above would still be available later in Rd 1 or possibly Rd 2 if they pulled the trigger on a QB.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft room and reported that Lock was Elway's guy. In fact, King had a mock draft prior to the 2018 draft where he predicted the Broncos would trade up to get Lock if he fell in the draft. Do you think King didn't know something? But because so many Gettleman supporters wanted Resume to be right about Jones they drank the Kool Aid when Resume said he knew "for a fact more than one team" wanted Jones.
And Haskins was definitely the WFT pick. Snyder's son played football with Haskins in high school at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. So there was a deep local tie...
Too many posters here point to fact that Denver traded down right after Jones was picked as confirmation he was there guy.
But reality is Pitt had accumulated a bunch of picks before the draft and wanted to use some of them to move up in Rd 1. And as mentioned, Denver had leaked they could be in favor of a trade down strategy to grab an extra player(s) while expecting a desirable QB to be available later in the draft. The two teams just really accomplished their goals.
I still think they should have drafted him and forced Miami or the Chargers to make an offer
Now, remains to be seen if DG made the right choice. But...if we all recall, majority of BBI wanted a quarterback. Lock was high up there on a ton of posters here. It turns out, Jones is a lot farther along right now than Lock is.
Check out the thread on Giants favored for first time. Pete44 made a nice post about Bram Weinstein, who was WFT beat reporter. he said the WFT was never going to draft Jones even though the coaches wanted him..
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
This is such a typical boomer comment lol
"In three years, we'll find out how crazy I am," Gettleman told NBC Sports' Peter King. ... "The bottom line is, I have confidence in what I do and who I am. I've been a part of organizations that had pretty good quarterbacks -- Jim Kelly, John Elway, Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, Cam Newton.
"I've led a charmed life with the quarterbacks on the teams I've worked for. I know what good ones look like. The other thing is, résumés matter. Every once in a while, I wish the people taking the shots would take a minute to look at my résumé. I've been a part of teams that went to seven Super Bowls. I had a hand in some of them. But today, there's no patience. And there's no room for civil discourse in our society, which I find sad."
Damn I had never seen this full quote, only gotten the gist from seeing it referenced, SMH.
It's crazy the extent the Giants are willing to go through the cycle of (picking a player higher than they know the rest of the league is on them, build up these stories trying to justify the reach, not change their scouting department significantly). When the rest of the league proves to do things better than you and you continue to think you have some angle, that's a level of stupidity and arrogance that is baffling.
Check out the thread on Giants favored for first time. Pete44 made a nice post about Bram Weinstein, who was WFT beat reporter. he said the WFT was never going to draft Jones even though the coaches wanted him..
GMan...Snyder was making the pick if Haskins was still on the board. From what I heard, he was elated when the Giants passed on Haskins for Jones.
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Terps— Mcadoo did Mara an incredible solid — he provided evidence Geno Smith and Manning were roughly interchangeable. Instead of accepting that hard truth — he fired everyone else and bent himself in a pretzel to get more miles for his favorite player.
Mara put Manning in front of the team. It was selfish.
And when fans wax on about the virtue of it all, it makes me sick. All those other guys on the team deserved an owner and general management that was dead set on winning another championship. Not deifying a guy who had has turn, made his money, and hung his pelts.
I'm as big an Eli fan as anyone, but this is 100% true.
Is it really true ? Reese's jags who are now playing arena league after Gettl cleaned house deserved better ?
We now have Gettl's jags who are similarly bound for arena league but I guess they deserve better too?
But yea I guess since Eli can't take what was a pretty much average to above average roster and put him on his back and win a SB any more that means he is pretty much as useful as Geno Smith ???? um k.