"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
If the ball is kicked into the Goal Area by an opponent, a rouge is scored:
when the ball becomes dead in possession of a team in its own Goal Area or,
when the ball touches or crosses the Dead Line or a Sideline in Goal, and touches the ground, a player or some object beyond these lines.
AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 attempting to catch the ball on Team B's 3-yard line, fumbles it and is tackled with the ball in possession in the Team B Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (ball deemed to have been kicked into Goal Area by Team A).
AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 catches the ball in the Field of Play while moving towards own Goal Line and, in the judgment of the official, the momentum carries B1 into own Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (possession deemed to have been gained in the Goal Area).
After a rouge, the team scored against shall next put the ball into play by a scrimmage as first down at any point between the hash marks on its 35-yard line.
If the single point was scored as the result of an unsuccessful field goal attempt, the team scored against may elect to scrimmage the ball at any point between the hash marks on its own 35-yard line or at the previous line of scrimmage.
NOTE: For the purposes of this Article, a drop kick or place kick shall, without exception, be deemed to be a field goal attempt.
NOTE: If during a kickoff, the kicked ball proceeds through the Goal Area and across the Dead Line or Sideline in Goal without being touched, there shall be no score and the ball shall be awarded to the receiving team at any point between the hash marks on its own 25-yard line.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
I'm confused, this says offense gets the one point, not the defense.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
If it's a conversion attempt, wouldn't it predicate the offensive team scoring a TD on the prior play, though? How would they end up with 1?
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
How is this 6 - 1?
The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.
Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.
the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
Oops. I should have read it more carefully. That is not the correct scenario. I will post correct one below.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
How is this 6 - 1?
The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.
Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.
the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.
Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
It does exist in the NFL, the Saints scored on one in 2015.
Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
True but that is not the scenario described above.
watch the play. So i am guessing it works the same on a fg so in essence a 6-1 score is possible. team down 6-0 fg blocked defending team tries to run it out of end zone 1 point. 1 pt safety - ( New Window )
Somehow the football must get way to the other end of the field, and a player from the kicking team must then somehow put the ball in their own end zone creating a one point safety. Pretty far fetched but possible.
Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
I think this is the answer since the NFL instituted the lame rule that the defense can score on a failed conversion.
Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
I think this is the answer since the NFL instituted the lame rule that the defense can score on a failed conversion.
Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
In certain game ending situations, teams should kneel on the conversion.
weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
Incorrect. The defensive team can (and has) returned a turnover on a failed conversion for their own 2 point score. There can also be a 1 point safety for either side. It almost happened in 2018 to the Pats (who were the D).
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
[quote] This is from profootball talk
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
Claire Bee's Chip Hilton was a stable of my youth ... and in one of the books ... they actually set a scenario where they lost on that 1 point safety ... never in the NFL but
at State with Chip Hilton ...
BTW ... These thoughts brought up how good those books were for youth to understand teamwork, sportsmanship and humility in victory ... and a lot more ...
I am assuming here that the 1 point safety goes to the team that is trying the extra point(s).
So does it make sense if you are trying the extra point(s) and you know you are going to fail, to purposely fumble forward into the endzone.
If the opposing team recovers and you tackle them there, then you get a 1 point safety. Something seems wrong. Perhaps, its only if the opposing team tries to advance the ball out, otherwise its like a touchback. IDK.
weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
Rules have changed years ago to allow defending team to score on PAT..
The try attempt is a pass. It is intercepted. The intercepting player attempts to get 2 points for his team by returning the ball all the way down the field (This was not possible when the NFL starting doing 2-pt conversions, but it was changed to make it possible).
Before the intercepting player reaches the goal line, the ball is knocked loose. The person who knocked the ball loose recovers the ball in his own endzone. He attempts to get out of the end zone but before doing so he is tackled by the interceptor.
That provides 1 point to the intercepting team according to 11-3-1 and 11-3-2. Therefore a score of 6-1 is possible.
regarding the forward fumble possibility, i can say that the "madden rule" (a forward fumble cannot be recovered by an offensive team mate) applies to all try attempts, not just those within the last 2 minutes of each half. (This is explicitly stated in 8-6-3.)
Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.
Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.
regarding the forward fumble possibility, i can say that the "madden rule" (a forward fumble cannot be recovered by an offensive team mate) applies to all try attempts, not just those within the last 2 minutes of each half. (This is explicitly stated in 8-6-3.)
Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.
Agreed, on both points, I was positing the same dead ball concept if the defender doesn't try to advance....
Assuming that is correct, it is something that special team coaches need to teach players... I can envision a failed attempt to scoop and run.
Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.
See the rules I posted which talk about the 1 point safety that only occurs during a Try
11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
Possible in theory but...
That’s what I tried to describe in my 7:10 post.
Up until recently the defensive team could not score
on a conversion attempt. The failed conversion attempt ended when the offensive team missed the kick, was tackled, or the defensive team gained possession. It is only since the PAT was moved to the 15 yd line that the rules were changed that allows the defense to score on a failed conversion.
Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.
RE: Up until recently the defensive team could not score
on a conversion attempt. The failed conversion attempt ended when the offensive team missed the kick, was tackled, or the defensive team gained possession. It is only since the PAT was moved to the 15 yd line that the rules were changed that allows the defense to score on a failed conversion.
Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.
11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Article 4 — Single Point Or Rouge
If the ball is kicked into the Goal Area by an opponent, a rouge is scored:
when the ball becomes dead in possession of a team in its own Goal Area or,
when the ball touches or crosses the Dead Line or a Sideline in Goal, and touches the ground, a player or some object beyond these lines.
AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 attempting to catch the ball on Team B's 3-yard line, fumbles it and is tackled with the ball in possession in the Team B Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (ball deemed to have been kicked into Goal Area by Team A).
AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 catches the ball in the Field of Play while moving towards own Goal Line and, in the judgment of the official, the momentum carries B1 into own Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (possession deemed to have been gained in the Goal Area).
After a rouge, the team scored against shall next put the ball into play by a scrimmage as first down at any point between the hash marks on its 35-yard line.
If the single point was scored as the result of an unsuccessful field goal attempt, the team scored against may elect to scrimmage the ball at any point between the hash marks on its own 35-yard line or at the previous line of scrimmage.
NOTE: For the purposes of this Article, a drop kick or place kick shall, without exception, be deemed to be a field goal attempt.
NOTE: If during a kickoff, the kicked ball proceeds through the Goal Area and across the Dead Line or Sideline in Goal without being touched, there shall be no score and the ball shall be awarded to the receiving team at any point between the hash marks on its own 25-yard line.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
I'm confused, this says offense gets the one point, not the defense.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
If it's a conversion attempt, wouldn't it predicate the offensive team scoring a TD on the prior play, though? How would they end up with 1?
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Quote:
This is from profootball talk
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
How is this 6 - 1?
The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.
Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.
the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.
Am I reading it wrong?
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This is from profootball talk
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
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In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
Quote:
This is from profootball talk
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
How is this 6 - 1?
The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.
Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.
the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.
Am I reading it wrong?
thats how I read it
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
It does exist in the NFL, the Saints scored on one in 2015.
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Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.
The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.
It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.
“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.
Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
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Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
I think this is the answer since the NFL instituted the lame rule that the defense can score on a failed conversion.
Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
Correct, just on a PAT. A fg attempt that somehow results in a safety is a regular 2 point safety.
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
Incorrect. The defensive team can (and has) returned a turnover on a failed conversion for their own 2 point score. There can also be a 1 point safety for either side. It almost happened in 2018 to the Pats (who were the D).
[quote] This is from profootball talk
"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"
Claire Bee's Chip Hilton was a stable of my youth ... and in one of the books ... they actually set a scenario where they lost on that 1 point safety ... never in the NFL but
at State with Chip Hilton ...
BTW ... These thoughts brought up how good those books were for youth to understand teamwork, sportsmanship and humility in victory ... and a lot more ...
Sorry, meant to say yes.
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
By the way the 36-9 box was filled in for the first time by the NYG-SF game this year.
So does it make sense if you are trying the extra point(s) and you know you are going to fail, to purposely fumble forward into the endzone.
If the opposing team recovers and you tackle them there, then you get a 1 point safety. Something seems wrong. Perhaps, its only if the opposing team tries to advance the ball out, otherwise its like a touchback. IDK.
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
Rules have changed years ago to allow defending team to score on PAT..
The try attempt is a pass. It is intercepted. The intercepting player attempts to get 2 points for his team by returning the ball all the way down the field (This was not possible when the NFL starting doing 2-pt conversions, but it was changed to make it possible).
Before the intercepting player reaches the goal line, the ball is knocked loose. The person who knocked the ball loose recovers the ball in his own endzone. He attempts to get out of the end zone but before doing so he is tackled by the interceptor.
That provides 1 point to the intercepting team according to 11-3-1 and 11-3-2. Therefore a score of 6-1 is possible.
Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.
The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.
Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.
Agreed, on both points, I was positing the same dead ball concept if the defender doesn't try to advance....
Assuming that is correct, it is something that special team coaches need to teach players... I can envision a failed attempt to scoop and run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXP578HMun4
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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.
See the rules I posted which talk about the 1 point safety that only occurs during a Try
#74 for Carolina was Remmers.
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
Possible in theory but...
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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
Possible in theory but...
That’s what I tried to describe in my 7:10 post.
Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.
Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.
Ray did quote the rule book above...
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during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
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In comment 15009980 ray in arlington said:
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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down
11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...
Possible in theory but...
That’s what I tried to describe in my 7:10 post.
Ah... yes you did, I missed it.