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Is a final NFL score of 6-1 possible?

Big Al : 10/15/2020 1:15 pm
Scenario?
I suppose  
bigblue5611_2 : 10/15/2020 1:20 pm : link
Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
Yes oddly enough  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/15/2020 1:20 pm : link
This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up
Singles are common in  
Scott in Montreal : 10/15/2020 1:22 pm : link
Canadian Football.

Article 4 — Single Point Or Rouge

If the ball is kicked into the Goal Area by an opponent, a rouge is scored:

when the ball becomes dead in possession of a team in its own Goal Area or,
when the ball touches or crosses the Dead Line or a Sideline in Goal, and touches the ground, a player or some object beyond these lines.

AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 attempting to catch the ball on Team B's 3-yard line, fumbles it and is tackled with the ball in possession in the Team B Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (ball deemed to have been kicked into Goal Area by Team A).

AR: Team A kicks to Team B. B1 catches the ball in the Field of Play while moving towards own Goal Line and, in the judgment of the official, the momentum carries B1 into own Goal Area. RULING — Rouge (possession deemed to have been gained in the Goal Area).

After a rouge, the team scored against shall next put the ball into play by a scrimmage as first down at any point between the hash marks on its 35-yard line.

If the single point was scored as the result of an unsuccessful field goal attempt, the team scored against may elect to scrimmage the ball at any point between the hash marks on its own 35-yard line or at the previous line of scrimmage.

NOTE: For the purposes of this Article, a drop kick or place kick shall, without exception, be deemed to be a field goal attempt.

NOTE: If during a kickoff, the kicked ball proceeds through the Goal Area and across the Dead Line or Sideline in Goal without being touched, there shall be no score and the ball shall be awarded to the receiving team at any point between the hash marks on its own 25-yard line.
RE: Yes oddly enough  
uther99 : 10/15/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up


I'm confused, this says offense gets the one point, not the defense.
RE: Yes oddly enough  
allstarjim : 10/15/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up


If it's a conversion attempt, wouldn't it predicate the offensive team scoring a TD on the prior play, though? How would they end up with 1?
RE: Yes oddly enough  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up


this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
RE: Yes oddly enough  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
Quote:
This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up
Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.
RE: RE: Yes oddly enough  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15009718 Big Al said:
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In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:


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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up

Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.


How is this 6 - 1?

The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.

Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.

the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.

Am I reading it wrong?
RE: RE: Yes oddly enough  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15009713 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:


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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up



this wouldn't be 6 - 1 though, would it? If I read it right. The offense (the team attempting the xp) gets the 1 point safety, so it would be 7 - 0.
Oops. I should have read it more carefully. That is not the correct scenario. I will post correct one below.
RE: RE: RE: Yes oddly enough  
uther99 : 10/15/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15009724 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15009718 Big Al said:


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In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:


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This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

I would have said no before i looked it up

Correct. That was quick. Probably never will happen. Somehow that question and answer just showed up on my FB feed about an hour ago. If asked, I would also have said no.



How is this 6 - 1?

The offense scores a TD, 6 pts. so it's 6 - 0.

Then, if I read this right, the offense is lining up for an XP (or a 2pt conversion even), the attempt somehow gets blocked or intercepted, fumble recovered - something and winds up in the hands of the defense, sounds like in this scenario, the defender on his own from the field of play takes the ball into their own end zone and is tackled for a 1-pt safety.

the 1pt though, goes to the offense, right? Making the score 7 - 0, not 6 - 1.

Am I reading it wrong?


thats how I read it
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Big Al : 10/15/2020 1:45 pm : link
Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.

The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.

It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.

“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.

Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”
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uther99 : 10/15/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15009730 Big Al said:
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Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.

The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.

It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.

“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.

Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”


I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
Ha, I'm an idiot  
bigblue5611_2 : 10/15/2020 1:49 pm : link
I just realized in my scenario that if there was PAT it means a TD was scored
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YAJ2112 : 10/15/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15009730 Big Al said:
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It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.



It does exist in the NFL, the Saints scored on one in 2015.
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Big Al : 10/15/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15009734 uther99 said:
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In comment 15009730 Big Al said:


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Actually, yes, although it has never happened, and would take a very odd set of circumstances to actually occur.

The winning team would have to score a touchdown, and then on the extra-point attempt, somehow botch the play so badly that they ended up getting tackled in their own end zone, at the other side of the field. Such a play is a “one-point safety,” a play that has never happened in the NFL, and which has only happened twice in college football history, both times against the team that had given up the touchdown.

It’s much more likely for a one-point safety to occur in college football because of the existence of the “defensive extra point” rule, where the team playing defense against a PAT or two-point conversion can score two points if they take possession of the ball on the play and get it into the other team’s end zone. If the team were to, for example, block a PAT kick, have it go into their end zone, and try to run it out but get tackled in their end zone, then the kicking team would get a one-point safety. This is why it’s happened in college. But the defensive extra point rule doesn’t exist in the pros. And besides that, you’re talking about the kicking team giving up a one-point safety in your hypothetical “6–1” game.

“This would require the winning team scoring just one touchdown and the other team never scoring at all, except that on the winning team’s PAT or two-point conversion attempt, they ended up in their own end zone. It’s theoretically possible, but I don’t know how it could happen in the real world, since it would require sending the ball 98 yards in the other direction. I can’t see how a bad snap on a kick, a blocked kick, or two-point play with the quarterback in the shotgun could travel that far.

Here is a video of a one-point safety in college football in 2004, but one scored by the team which had kicked a failed PAT: The 1-point safety is a football play so rare it’s never happened in the NFL.”



I think now if a PAT or 2-pt conversion is returned all the other end zone, its two points, not 1.
True but that is not the scenario described above.
Here is a college clip of one  
jtdukedfw : 10/15/2020 2:11 pm : link
watch the play. So i am guessing it works the same on a fg so in essence a 6-1 score is possible. team down 6-0 fg blocked defending team tries to run it out of end zone 1 point.
1 pt safety - ( New Window )
Saying it more simply.  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 2:16 pm : link
Somehow the football must get way to the other end of the field, and a player from the kicking team must then somehow put the ball in their own end zone creating a one point safety. Pretty far fetched but possible.
i might be wrong  
jtdukedfw : 10/15/2020 2:17 pm : link
on the field goal i think it only comes into play in the NFL on a PAT
one point safety explained - ( New Window )
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Route 9 : 10/15/2020 2:19 pm : link
Did you get this question from Quora?
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Route 9 : 10/15/2020 2:21 pm : link
I can see Danny Dimes being the one who gives up the 1 point on the 2 point conversion attempt.
RE: I suppose  
81_Great_Dane : 10/15/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15009690 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?
I think this is the answer since the NFL instituted the lame rule that the defense can score on a failed conversion.

Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
RE: ......  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15009779 Route 9 said:
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Did you get this question from Quora?
Yes. For some unknown reason, a year old post showed up on my FB feed.
RE: RE: I suppose  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15009786 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15009690 bigblue5611_2 said:


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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?

I think this is the answer since the NFL instituted the lame rule that the defense can score on a failed conversion.

Lame because the conversion is a reward for scoring a touchdown, it should have zero risk for the offense. To take an extreme example, if you score a touchdown with time expiring to tie the game, you should not have to risk losing the game on a blocked PAT or turnover. But it's true in general.
In certain game ending situations, teams should kneel on the conversion.
RE: ......  
Big Al : 10/15/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15009782 Route 9 said:
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I can see Danny Dimes being the one who gives up the 1 point on the 2 point conversion attempt.
He would have to channel the spirit of Jim Marshall. Wait. He is 82 and still with us.
RE: i might be wrong  
Mad Mike : 10/15/2020 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15009772 jtdukedfw said:
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on the field goal i think it only comes into play in the NFL on a PAT one point safety explained - ( New Window )

Correct, just on a PAT. A fg attempt that somehow results in a safety is a regular 2 point safety.
extra point conversion  
nochance : 10/15/2020 4:05 pm : link
weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0
RE: extra point conversion  
YAJ2112 : 10/15/2020 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15009853 nochance said:
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weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0


Incorrect. The defensive team can (and has) returned a turnover on a failed conversion for their own 2 point score. There can also be a 1 point safety for either side. It almost happened in 2018 to the Pats (who were the D).
RE: Yes oddly enough  
snumber6 : 10/15/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15009691 Larry in Pencilvania said:
[quote] This is from profootball talk

"If the defense gets the ball in the field of play on a conversion attemp, and then a defensive player takes the ball into his own end zone and is tackled, the result will be a one-point safety: The offensive team will get one point. That has never happened before in NFL history"

Claire Bee's Chip Hilton was a stable of my youth ... and in one of the books ... they actually set a scenario where they lost on that 1 point safety ... never in the NFL but
at State with Chip Hilton ...
BTW ... These thoughts brought up how good those books were for youth to understand teamwork, sportsmanship and humility in victory ... and a lot more ...
Scorigami says no  
BigBlue89 : 10/15/2020 5:43 pm : link
https://nflscorigami.com/
RE: Scorigami says no  
BigBlue89 : 10/15/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15009955 BigBlue89 said:
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https://nflscorigami.com/


Sorry, meant to say yes.
Yes  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 6:13 pm : link
11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down

11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
Impossible scores are  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 6:17 pm : link
1-0, 1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 5-1 and 7-1.

By the way the 36-9 box was filled in for the first time by the NYG-SF game this year.
hmmm  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 6:52 pm : link
I am assuming here that the 1 point safety goes to the team that is trying the extra point(s).

So does it make sense if you are trying the extra point(s) and you know you are going to fail, to purposely fumble forward into the endzone.
If the opposing team recovers and you tackle them there, then you get a 1 point safety. Something seems wrong. Perhaps, its only if the opposing team tries to advance the ball out, otherwise its like a touchback. IDK.
RE: extra point conversion  
bLiTz 2k : 10/15/2020 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15009853 nochance said:
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weather its a 1 or 2 point conversion its either convert or fail. If the defensive player has the ball in the end zone
its a failed 1 or 2 point conversion. Score is 6-0


Rules have changed years ago to allow defending team to score on PAT..
Consider the following  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 7:10 pm : link

The try attempt is a pass. It is intercepted. The intercepting player attempts to get 2 points for his team by returning the ball all the way down the field (This was not possible when the NFL starting doing 2-pt conversions, but it was changed to make it possible).

Before the intercepting player reaches the goal line, the ball is knocked loose. The person who knocked the ball loose recovers the ball in his own endzone. He attempts to get out of the end zone but before doing so he is tackled by the interceptor.

That provides 1 point to the intercepting team according to 11-3-1 and 11-3-2. Therefore a score of 6-1 is possible.



McL  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 7:23 pm : link
regarding the forward fumble possibility, i can say that the "madden rule" (a forward fumble cannot be recovered by an offensive team mate) applies to all try attempts, not just those within the last 2 minutes of each half. (This is explicitly stated in 8-6-3.)

Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.
RE: I suppose  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/15/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15009690 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?

The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.
RE: McL  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15010038 ray in arlington said:
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regarding the forward fumble possibility, i can say that the "madden rule" (a forward fumble cannot be recovered by an offensive team mate) applies to all try attempts, not just those within the last 2 minutes of each half. (This is explicitly stated in 8-6-3.)

Whether you could try to induce the 1 pt safety by forward fumbling - I do not see this addressed explicitly in the rule book. I assume it would be handled like any fumble by the offensive team into the end zone - if the defender cannot/does not advance the ball it is a dead ball and no points are scored.

Agreed, on both points, I was positing the same dead ball concept if the defender doesn't try to advance....
Assuming that is correct, it is something that special team coaches need to teach players... I can envision a failed attempt to scoop and run.
As a side note  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:16 pm : link
Our kicker was involved in the first failed PAT attempt returned for a 2 point score by the defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXP578HMun4
RE: RE: I suppose  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15010064 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15009690 bigblue5611_2 said:


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Two field goals, or 3 safeties and a return of a blocked PAT, no?


The only way to have a blocked PAT is to have a TD, so that would be the only way to get 6 points. FGs and/or safeties preclude a 6-1 score, by definition.


See the rules I posted which talk about the 1 point safety that only occurs during a Try
Gatorade  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 8:21 pm : link
I see now you’re responding to someone else’s scenario
There was another Giant (former)  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:23 pm : link
involved on that play also.

#74 for Carolina was Remmers.
RE: Yes  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15009980 ray in arlington said:
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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down

11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.

To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...

Possible in theory but...
RE: RE: Yes  
ray in arlington : 10/15/2020 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15010093 .McL. said:
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In comment 15009980 ray in arlington said:


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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down

11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.


To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...

Possible in theory but...


That’s what I tried to describe in my 7:10 post.
Up until recently the defensive team could not score  
Ron from Ninerland : 10/15/2020 8:38 pm : link
on a conversion attempt. The failed conversion attempt ended when the offensive team missed the kick, was tackled, or the defensive team gained possession. It is only since the PAT was moved to the 15 yd line that the rules were changed that allows the defense to score on a failed conversion.

Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.
RE: Up until recently the defensive team could not score  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15010097 Ron from Ninerland said:
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on a conversion attempt. The failed conversion attempt ended when the offensive team missed the kick, was tackled, or the defensive team gained possession. It is only since the PAT was moved to the 15 yd line that the rules were changed that allows the defense to score on a failed conversion.

Do the new rules even address the offensive team being tackled in their own end zone ? I'd like to see a quote from the rule book.

Ray did quote the rule book above...

In comment 15009980 ray in arlington said:
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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down

11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.
RE: RE: RE: Yes  
.McL. : 10/15/2020 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15010095 ray in arlington said:
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In comment 15010093 .McL. said:


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In comment 15009980 ray in arlington said:


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11-3-1. After a touchdown, a Try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two additional points
during one scrimmage down

11-3-2.
(c) If the Try results in what would ordinarily be a safety against either team, one point is awarded to the opponent.


To actually accomplish 6-1, there would have to be a play where the defense gets the ball, tries return it for a 2 point play (like what I posted above), but loses the ball into their own endzone, the offense recovers and tries to run it out and gets tackled for a safety...

Possible in theory but...



That’s what I tried to describe in my 7:10 post.

Ah... yes you did, I missed it.
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