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If 0-16, season ticket holders should be able to opt out

WinterIsComing : 10/15/2020 11:58 pm
Pandemic or not in 2021, if the Giants go winless season ticket holders should not be expected to purchase season tickets.

I’m not sure why it should be so one sided, where the fans subsidize the salaries of team that isn’t worth watching. The Giants as an organization should carry those costs.
Nom nom nom  
chopperhatch : 10/16/2020 12:17 am : link
Nom nomnom
Agree. I have 4 mezz seats. Love going to EVERY game...  
State Your Name : 10/16/2020 1:36 am : link
but I'll straight up walk away from my PSLs before I endure another season of paying more than my tickets are worth on the secondary market.

It's not like I could sell the PSL for more than $100-$200 each anyway (I paid $4,000).

But the Giants did right by the fans in 2020. Hopefully they'll be kind in '21.
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The Dude : 10/16/2020 1:53 am : link
“I don’t return fruit. Fruits a gamble. I know that going in.”

-Jerry Seinfeld



I’m not saying in that in the most simple broad terms that it’s not one sided. But surely you don’t believe a billion dollar franchise will elect to lose revenue correct?
You'll get nothing  
Spider43 : 10/16/2020 5:17 am : link
And like it!
Because of all the great movie/tv quotes so far ...  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2020 6:21 am : link
Yeah. ok.  
section125 : 10/16/2020 6:33 am : link
So where is the cutoff? 1 win, 2 wins, 3 wins?

You are paying to attend a football game. I see nothing that guarantees wins.

I had tickets for 32 seasons while Giants Stadium was open. So I have been through some miserable seasons.
When (if) they have a winning season (e.g.; playoffs and beyond),  
Bill L : 10/16/2020 7:09 am : link
how much of a premium should you expect to pay for the following year's tickets? Would you object if they trebled or quadrupled your assessment?
Also, not being a ticket holder, I don't understand the process...  
Bill L : 10/16/2020 7:14 am : link
Are you saying that you can't walk away from being a season ticket holder? You're obligated for eternity to pay and go? Or, is their a contract that requires you to be a season ticket holder for a specified duration?
RE: Also, not being a ticket holder, I don't understand the process...  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2020 7:42 am : link
In comment 15010216 Bill L said:
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Are you saying that you can't walk away from being a season ticket holder? You're obligated for eternity to pay and go? Or, is their a contract that requires you to be a season ticket holder for a specified duration?


The Giants aren’t requiring payment for the 2020 season from season ticket holders. So I don’t even know what the OP is talking about. If we go 0-16 and he’s had enough he can just forfeit his PSL. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but is the OP suggesting he should keep his PSL and not pay until they win again?

Riiiiiiiight.
RE: Also, not being a ticket holder, I don't understand the process...  
uther99 : 10/16/2020 7:59 am : link
In comment 15010216 Bill L said:
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Are you saying that you can't walk away from being a season ticket holder? You're obligated for eternity to pay and go? Or, is their a contract that requires you to be a season ticket holder for a specified duration?


My understanding is if you do not buy season tickets, you forfeit the PSL. The PSL is transferable though
RE: RE: Also, not being a ticket holder, I don't understand the process...  
Bill L : 10/16/2020 8:06 am : link
In comment 15010233 uther99 said:
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In comment 15010216 Bill L said:


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Are you saying that you can't walk away from being a season ticket holder? You're obligated for eternity to pay and go? Or, is their a contract that requires you to be a season ticket holder for a specified duration?



My understanding is if you do not buy season tickets, you forfeit the PSL. The PSL is transferable though


Thanks. Then, I really don't know what he is talking about. He could just walk away.
How lucky are the Giants?  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/16/2020 8:20 am : link
They built the stadium at just the right time. Could you imagine them trying to sell PSLs if they built it over the past couple years?
The OP  
johnnyb : 10/16/2020 8:23 am : link
is suggesting if the Giants go 0-16, season ticket holders should be able to forfeit buying tickets in 2021 and maintain the rights on their tickets.

Under PSL agreement, holders are required to purchase tickets each year or lose their PSL. The organization waived this requirement for 2020. Not sure they waive it going forward should fans be allowed to attend next season.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/16/2020 8:38 am : link
So in your eyes, would it have been fair for ownership to double the price after the superbowl years?
Uther you have it right.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/16/2020 8:58 am : link
As a STH I can refuse to pay for a season ticket but I forfeit my $4000 per seat PSL I paid, forever. The PSL gave us the right to purchase seasons tickets and the rights to our specific seats for as long as the stadium stands. Nothing more.

Jolly Blue, you obviously don't remember that up until the new stadium was built there was a waitlist of over 30,000 to get a season ticket. I had been on the list for 20 years when my number came up in 2009 and I had over 6500 people still ahead of me on the list still, after 20 years. The new stadium is the only reason I have been a STH for 10 years.

Trust me, as awful as this team has been, if they built it 3 years ago, they would have had no problem selling PSL's. There are enough fools like me who live and die every Sunday to see their team live, not on TV.
This new stadium  
Oscar : 10/16/2020 9:13 am : link
Has three bad things going for it for STH - PSLs, the team sucks and perhaps most importantly it opened just as the secondary market for tickets was really being completely revolutionized.

I remember being a kid and if you knew someone who had Giants tickets it was like they were in an exclusive club, because for outsiders like us there really wasn’t a way to get a ticket unless a current STH invited you, gave you tickets, etc.

Now I can go to any game I want, thousands of seats available, can decide on Saturday or even Sunday morning depending on weather and what else you have going on.

Question for current STH - are you able to sell many games for at or above face value? Or at least near face value? Or are you having to eat a significant chunk for most games?
RE: Uther you have it right.  
Jolly Blue Giant : 10/16/2020 9:13 am : link
In comment 15010270 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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As a STH I can refuse to pay for a season ticket but I forfeit my $4000 per seat PSL I paid, forever. The PSL gave us the right to purchase seasons tickets and the rights to our specific seats for as long as the stadium stands. Nothing more.

Jolly Blue, you obviously don't remember that up until the new stadium was built there was a waitlist of over 30,000 to get a season ticket. I had been on the list for 20 years when my number came up in 2009 and I had over 6500 people still ahead of me on the list still, after 20 years. The new stadium is the only reason I have been a STH for 10 years.

Trust me, as awful as this team has been, if they built it 3 years ago, they would have had no problem selling PSL's. There are enough fools like me who live and die every Sunday to see their team live, not on TV.


I too was on that list and my number was about to come up. I wrote a hand written letter to get on that list. The thing is, there was no PSL. With the PSL, there is no list. In fact, they just won a super bowl and couldn’t sell them.
RE: Because of all the great movie/tv quotes so far ...  
giantsfaninphilly : 10/16/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 15010211 robbieballs2003 said:
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I quote this more than any other movie line. It's incredibly appropriate, particularly in work situations.
i dont know if the record is really the thing  
cjac : 10/16/2020 9:23 am : link
but if the virus is still out there and its dangerous next football season (which is a possibility), then they should give us the option.
Obviously no team is going to let you skip out on tickets,  
Mad Mike : 10/16/2020 10:33 am : link
while still retaining your status as a psl owner and season ticket holder just because the team is bad. Nort should they - you pays your money, you takes your chances. The PSL's certainly makes thing a bit different than just walking away from, say, Knicks tickets, but anyone who bought them knew what they were getting into. If you didn't have the stomach for a franchise slump, even a prolonged one, you shouldn't have ponied up. Ticket holders certainly have the right to be very frustrated with the direction the franchise has gone (and seems to still be going), but they don't have the right to a change in the terms of the psl contract because of it.
RE: This new stadium  
Scyber : 10/16/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 15010281 Oscar said:
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Has three bad things going for it for STH - PSLs, the team sucks and perhaps most importantly it opened just as the secondary market for tickets was really being completely revolutionized.

I remember being a kid and if you knew someone who had Giants tickets it was like they were in an exclusive club, because for outsiders like us there really wasn’t a way to get a ticket unless a current STH invited you, gave you tickets, etc.

Now I can go to any game I want, thousands of seats available, can decide on Saturday or even Sunday morning depending on weather and what else you have going on.

Question for current STH - are you able to sell many games for at or above face value? Or at least near face value? Or are you having to eat a significant chunk for most games?


So many tickets being available is a direct result of the team sucking though. If the team was a regular playoff contender of the last 10 years, the market for tickets would a LOT smaller and overpriced.

As a season ticket holder I was able to sell my tickets above face value every year except the last 2 :(. Best return was 2011 playoff game and the first couple of games in 2012.
Syber, not picking on you but  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/16/2020 11:37 am : link
As a STH one of my biggest issues has always been STH that bought their PSL and tickets and immediately tried to sell them for the best price. It is one (not the only) reason we See a bunch of passed out drunks and worse, Eagles, Cowboy fans, etc. each game.

I scalped tickets for 20 years at the old stadium and there were far less idiots and opposing teams fans than there are now. It is certainly your right to sell but a big reason why we complain about not having much of a home field advantage. NOW DOWN IN FRONT!
If they cared about the fans  
Bubba : 10/16/2020 1:14 pm : link
they would not have built this dump in the first place.
I am soooo glad I sold my PSLs at face value 4 years ago.
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