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Daniel Jones and draft potential

charles355 : 10/16/2020 9:07 am
I guess the Draft for us is all about Daniel Jones:


If he plays well ... it means we will have 4-5-6 wins
Between pick 7 and 10
Range
Micah Parsons
Patrick Surtain
Caleb Farley
Dylan Moses
or trade down for Creed Humphrey
but trade down won't give us lots of picks
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If he plays ok ... it means 3-4 wins
Between pick 4 and 6
Range
Penei Sewell
Justin Fields
Gregory Rousseau
Ja'Marr Chase
Trey Lance
Micah Parsons
Trade down potential is incredible... but at the same time Sewell may be too good to pass, Rousseau could help pass rush and Chase may be a great 1st weapon with Slayton
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If he plays awful ... it means 0-1-2 wins
Between pick 1 and 3
Range
Trevor Lawrence (no brainer or mega mega returns of draft capital, Herschel Walker kind of trade)
Penei Sewell (at #2 or #3 I would take him)
Justin Fields (if we think Jones is not the man... we can select him at 2 or 3)
Gregory Rousseau (I would take him at 3 if Sewell is gone at 2)
Ja'Marr Chase (would be great with Slayton but would select Rousseau before him)
Trey Lance (trade down from 3 to 4-5-6 to get him if we really need to replace Jones and we think he would be better than Fields).
Lawerence will go #1 no doubt in my mind.  
90.Cal : 10/16/2020 9:16 am : link
Sewell will go top 3, no doubt in my mind.
Jones hasn't shown any progress from year 1 to year 2  
90.Cal : 10/16/2020 9:19 am : link
Its way too early to give up on him BUT the Lawerence dynamic will makes things very interesting... But we need the #1 pick for that to happen and I don't believe we will have it. Top 10 yes, top 5 maybe, top 3 possible... but I just doubt we land the #1 pick.
Surtain II  
ryanmkeane : 10/16/2020 9:25 am : link
is high up on my list. Better prospect than Okudah and better ball skills. He's the Patrick Peterson type.
Man  
Spider43 : 10/16/2020 9:35 am : link
Do I look stupid for predicting 6 wins before the season began...
RE: Man  
Harvest Blend : 10/16/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 15010303 Spider43 said:
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Do I look stupid for predicting 6 wins before the season began...


Yes you do but there was someone a week or two ago that was sticking with 9. :)
Jones in this offense cannot throw TDs  
japanhead : 10/16/2020 10:09 am : link
he has 2 TD passes on the season, both in week one, and one of those was in garbage time. Projecting his stats based on the first five games, he's on pace for 7 TDs this season and has been a turnover machine every bit as bad as last year.

I realize he's without Shepard and Barkley and that his OL is garbage, but he's been alarmingly bad and was being outplayed this season by Haskins before he was demoted.

If this continues the Giants will absolutely get the 1 or 2 pick and should strongly consider taking a QB
RE: Jones in this offense cannot throw TDs  
broadbandz : 10/16/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 15010333 japanhead said:
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he has 2 TD passes on the season, both in week one, and one of those was in garbage time. Projecting his stats based on the first five games, he's on pace for 7 TDs this season and has been a turnover machine every bit as bad as last year.

I realize he's without Shepard and Barkley and that his OL is garbage, but he's been alarmingly bad and was being outplayed this season by Haskins before he was demoted.

If this continues the Giants will absolutely get the 1 or 2 pick and should strongly consider taking a QB


some reason pff has jones rated pretty well currently. I have no idea what they base it off of. They also had Haskins in the dumpster this yr. They got that one right.
RE: Jones in this offense cannot throw TDs  
kelsto811 : 10/16/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 15010333 japanhead said:
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he has 2 TD passes on the season, both in week one, and one of those was in garbage time. Projecting his stats based on the first five games, he's on pace for 7 TDs this season and has been a turnover machine every bit as bad as last year.

I realize he's without Shepard and Barkley and that his OL is garbage, but he's been alarmingly bad and was being outplayed this season by Haskins before he was demoted.

If this continues the Giants will absolutely get the 1 or 2 pick and should strongly consider taking a QB


I agree, he doesn't fit this offense. But he isn't the only personnel that doesn't fit..Which begs the question why Garrett is who they brought in?
I don't see many wins, based on the team  
Beezer : 10/16/2020 10:40 am : link
we've put out there so far. I like some things and I'm optimistic that some players and plans will gel.

But maybe we beat the Redskins? Maybe?

Maybe the Bengals? Maybe the Cardinals?

Put it this way, if the Giants lose to Washington this weekend, it's not likely - IMO - that they get more than 2 wins this season.
Jones and throwing TDs  
LBH15 : 10/16/2020 10:45 am : link
Mentioned this the other day as well..but there was a replay during the Dallas game in second half on one of Giants' plays inside the red zone. It showed three Giant receivers on the right side of Jones and followed them as they each ran routes towards the goal line.

Each ran his respective route exactly towards a STATIONARY Cowboy in a zone look, slowed down when they got there and then looked back at the pocket to see what Jones was doing. Not joking either, each Cowboy barely moved.

Not defending Jones here, but this was ridiculous.
When people say "Jones hasn't progressed from Season 1 to 2"  
gmenrule-va : 10/16/2020 10:45 am : link
I feel like we are discounting the fact he is in a new offense in year 2. Yes, same offense I would expect a clear growth in his performance, but since he is in a new offense I feel 5 games is too short of an evaluation period. IMHO his last 8 games this year will tell me if he has grown from year 1 to year 2. By game 9 he should have enough experience in the new system.
RE: RE: Jones in this offense cannot throw TDs  
japanhead : 10/16/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 15010361 kelsto811 said:
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I agree, he doesn't fit this offense. But he isn't the only personnel that doesn't fit..Which begs the question why Garrett is who they brought in?


I'm definitely cynical but I believe Garrett was brought in because 1) he has NFL HC and it was thought that would be valuable for first-year NFL HC Judge, 2) he was with the Boys prior so hiring him was viewed as giving the Giants a divisional advantage, 3) he was a former Giant.

He sure as heck wasn't hired for his OC abilities given that he hadn't called plays since like 2014.
RE: I don't see many wins, based on the team  
FStubbs : 10/16/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 15010369 Beezer said:
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we've put out there so far. I like some things and I'm optimistic that some players and plans will gel.

But maybe we beat the Redskins? Maybe?

Maybe the Bengals? Maybe the Cardinals?

Put it this way, if the Giants lose to Washington this weekend, it's not likely - IMO - that they get more than 2 wins this season.


And we still would not get the first pick in the draft.

Take a look at the Jets' schedule. Barring some team getting destroyed with injuries, they're almost a lock for 0-16.
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mattlawson : 10/16/2020 12:21 pm : link
RE: Jones and throwing TDs  
5BowlsSoon : 10/16/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15010374 LBH15 said:
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Mentioned this the other day as well..but there was a replay during the Dallas game in second half on one of Giants' plays inside the red zone. It showed three Giant receivers on the right side of Jones and followed them as they each ran routes towards the goal line.

Each ran his respective route exactly towards a STATIONARY Cowboy in a zone look, slowed down when they got there and then looked back at the pocket to see what Jones was doing. Not joking either, each Cowboy barely moved.

Not defending Jones here, but this was ridiculous.


Thank you for posting this. I saw the same thing, which is just one of many reasons I’m not holding DJ responsible for this year. On a side note, I really wish they would bring up Bachman and cut Tate. I think he would fight more...Tate looks done.
RE: RE: Jones in this offense cannot throw TDs  
Simms11 : 10/16/2020 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15010361 kelsto811 said:
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he has 2 TD passes on the season, both in week one, and one of those was in garbage time. Projecting his stats based on the first five games, he's on pace for 7 TDs this season and has been a turnover machine every bit as bad as last year.

I realize he's without Shepard and Barkley and that his OL is garbage, but he's been alarmingly bad and was being outplayed this season by Haskins before he was demoted.

If this continues the Giants will absolutely get the 1 or 2 pick and should strongly consider taking a QB



I agree, he doesn't fit this offense. But he isn't the only personnel that doesn't fit..Which begs the question why Garrett is who they brought in?


Judge and Garrett both indicated that they would fit the scheme to the personnel’s skills on the team, excentuate what they do well in essence. If what your saying is true then they are not being true to their word. I for one haven’t seen that. I see an offense that’s struggling because they have no real threats at WR, other then Slayton and he’s been inconsistent, no RB threat and a TE that, when targeted, sometimes drops the ball. Additionally, you have an Oline that is still struggling to Pass Block well enough for a young QB to go through his progressions. He’s being rushed and I think has done what he can given the circumstances. I would like to see him take off more, but slide of course. We don’t need any injuries like Dak just received.
Way early  
JonC : 10/16/2020 2:14 pm : link
but an educated is we go defense or OL early and often.
RE: When people say  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/16/2020 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15010375 gmenrule-va said:
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I feel like we are discounting the fact he is in a new offense in year 2. Yes, same offense I would expect a clear growth in his performance, but since he is in a new offense I feel 5 games is too short of an evaluation period. IMHO his last 8 games this year will tell me if he has grown from year 1 to year 2. By game 9 he should have enough experience in the new system.

By that logic, Justin Herbert's performance this season is even more incredible - he should be an MVP candidate by the second half of the year.

Or we can maybe realize that these guys have been playing football all their lives, that the Coryell offense isn't dramatically different than the Cutcliffe offense, that a guy who went to Duke and was drafted #6 overall is supposed to have a shorter learning curve.

This wasn't supposed to be like grooming a raw project. I recognize that DJ is dealing with his second system in as many years, but it's not like he's learning a new sport. He looks lost out there.
Every time I read these posts on Jones  
joe48 : 10/17/2020 3:10 pm : link
I think some posters minds have been made up about DJ. I just don’t see the point of giving up on the guy given the lack of talent and new coaches etc. Trevor Lawrence or whom ever else they bring will not be successful with this current roster. So folks if you hate Jones because he is not your guy or because Gettleman picked him swallow your pride because he will be here next year. We need draft picks to build the talent level not another QB that you hope is the next Tom Brady. J
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