I thought this deserved it's own thread. Lost in a thread about being favorites this Sunday (Grr, Chase Young), Pet$$ posted this little nugget
Bram Weinstein
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We had Bram Weinstein on our podcast last night, you guys should definitely listen. Big Blue Saloon. He thinks the skins will win because says Giants OL, will not be able to handle the Wash defensive line. I actually think the Giants will win, but was definitely interesting to hear.
Also, gave great insight on why they drafted Haskins, never were going to take Jones even though coaching staff wanted him.
Bram Weinstein was a beat reporter down here for years. Moved up to ESPN and now doing play by play for the team. I'm not saying I vouch for the guy. His credential is enough, but I have conversed with him via email back in the days when he was a beat reporter (the famed JetSkins years). If he saying this, I 100% believe this.
I believe this mystery has been solved. Thanks Pete44!!
This man deserves a beer!!
He'll float til he matures and grows up. Dude didnt have the preparation or footwork to get it done on a weekly basis in the pros. Accuracy a serious question mark too.
It is also much easier to miss on a first rounder since the rookie cap was put in since the contracts are much more controlled. I always felt bad for Spags and Rams for having to the pay Sam Bradford all that money as the last #1 QB before the rookie cap.
2010: #1 Sam Bradford, 6 years $78m
2011: #1 Cam Newton, 4 years $22m (with a 5th year option)
Apparently, they don't like the way Haskins preps for a game.
It was good stuff.
My co host was fraternity bros with Bram, seemed like a good dude.
But we have our own meddler's in our midst. More subtle perhaps, but whispering "Eli has more time, find a coach that he can win with.."
There is no doubt that Jones was liked more by NFL personal men, than the draft experts. The question will always remain, could they have grabbed Josh Allen and then maybe traded up a few spots to get Jones from 17. The issue is there is well founded mistrust of Gettleman and his feel for the draft.
Apparently, they don't like the way Haskins preps for a game.
It was good stuff.
My co host was fraternity bros with Bram, seemed like a good dude.
He's a pretty good guy. He sent me a zip file with a broadcast when he had a radio slot on 980. At the time I was attached with a Patriot Battery in Israel.
I would take this over any asshat supposedly from another team.
But we have our own meddler's in our midst. More subtle perhaps, but whispering "Eli has more time, find a coach that he can win with.."
exactly..
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He was their pick. Just look at the actions they made in that draft and Elways comments on draft day. It was like someone shot his dog so this Skins talk is a moot point.
There is no doubt that Jones was liked more by NFL personal men, than the draft experts. The question will always remain, could they have grabbed Josh Allen and then maybe traded up a few spots to get Jones from 17. The issue is there is well founded mistrust of Gettleman and his feel for the draft.
Yep. They got completely got caught off guard when he dropped to them. It's tough because these decisions need to be made in real time, but I don't think they trusted their draft board and panicked on QB. Colleges are churning out guys that can play the position now. It's a new day and age. It sounded like they were trying to work a trade up, but couldn't or the Broncos would have been able to make a better offer without dropping as much.
I'm with you Gmanin - I'm so sick of it, we all know Gettleman has no feel for the draft and what other teams are doing. He does not even care.
You should check out the podcast, Bram is on for about 15 minutes.
I don't even know how you could evaluate Haskins. He started out inaccurate, then zip zip zip, next thing you know they had scored 3 TDs. But the problem with trying to evaluate Haskins was that the D couldn't even get within five yards of him. They were completely overmatched. So he could stand in the pocket, make his reads, make more reads, go back to his first read... He didn't have to avoid pressure, he didn't have to slide in the pocket, or scramble, or run, or throw the ball away, or hold onto the ball during a QB hit. He was so cocooned in the pocket that he didn't have to react or make decisions at anything like an NFL pace.
I came away thinking that he's a pretty accurate passer (once the nerves subsided), but any NFL QB could be accurate under those conditions.
At a distance, it looks like he didn't and doesn't understand the difference between the game he played in college and the pro game. He may be talented enough to pan out once he gets it. Maybe.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft in 2019. And said the Broncos didn't have Jones as their QB target.
In fact, King predicted in his pre-draft mock a week before the draft that the Broncos really liked Lock, and would even trade to get him if he dropped.
I'm going with King over the Asshat all day on this one...
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He was their pick. Just look at the actions they made in that draft and Elways comments on draft day. It was like someone shot his dog so this Skins talk is a moot point.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft in 2019. And said the Broncos didn't have Jones as their QB target.
In fact, King predicted in his pre-draft mock a week before the draft that the Broncos really liked Lock, and would even trade to get him if he dropped.
I'm going with King over the Asshat all day on this one...
Go for it. I watch Peter king every Friday and he’s a guy that acts like he’s way more clued in than he is. He also had devin bush going to Broncos in first and they literally traded out of that spot with the team that took him. Lots of people had Lock to Broncos because Elway supposed had a thing for big strong arm QBs.
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He was their pick. Just look at the actions they made in that draft and Elways comments on draft day. It was like someone shot his dog so this Skins talk is a moot point.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft in 2019. And said the Broncos didn't have Jones as their QB target.
In fact, King predicted in his pre-draft mock a week before the draft that the Broncos really liked Lock, and would even trade to get him if he dropped.
I'm going with King over the Asshat all day on this one...
Do you think they allowed King into their draft room with the understanding that he could go out and report on their draft board when it was all over? I doubt it.
Do you think they allowed King into their draft room with the understanding that he could go out and report on their draft board when it was all over? I doubt it.
No, because I don’t think King is in the business of lying. And his intel about Lock was revealed after the draft. So why would Elway care at that point about King reporting accurate information?
Giants fans need to quit trying to make themselves feel good about the Jones pick by latching onto these manufactured stories that other teams were desperate for Jones. He isn’t some transcendent talent.
Be more concerned at this point that we passed on a QB with real MVP potential right now - Josh Allen.
Denver like Jones. Reports are they preferred Lock. And they felt both or either would be available later in Rd 1/Rd 2 if they decided to go QB. Seemingly they were correct.
Hmmm
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He was their pick. Just look at the actions they made in that draft and Elways comments on draft day. It was like someone shot his dog so this Skins talk is a moot point.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft in 2019. And said the Broncos didn't have Jones as their QB target.
In fact, King predicted in his pre-draft mock a week before the draft that the Broncos really liked Lock, and would even trade to get him if he dropped.
I'm going with King over the Asshat all day on this one...
If Denver wanted Lock so bad why did they wait until their third pick to take him?
If Denver wanted Lock so bad why did they wait until their third pick to take him?
Because they could wait until the second round. He wasn't the highest rated player on their board. He was the highest rated QB. And then Elway traded up to grab him after taking Risner.
Elway signed Flacco so he had at least - his eyes at the time - a stop gap QB solution for a year.
Do you really think a guy like Elway - a 2X SB champion as a player and SB champ as a GM - actually cares about PR spin using King to send a message? Please stop being naive...
That's something a nitwit like Gettleman would do.
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a bunch of BS to make it look like Lock was their guy. Like I said I watch Peter Kiing every week and the only reason he is still relevant at all is because Florio has a crush on him probably from when he was just a blogger anc Peter King still had insider access. Teams pretty much use him as a mouthpiece to get their spin out there.
Do you really think a guy like Elway - a 2X SB champion as a player and SB champ as a GM - actually cares about PR spin using King to send a message? Please stop being naive...
That's something a nitwit like Gettleman would do.
You can't be serious. Elway's ass is on thin ice there and most fans want him gone. Not to mention, when you take a QB, it's pretty much a cardinal sin to not say he was the guy all along. Naive? Are you seriously insinuating teams in all sports don't put out PR spin and misdirection during draft time? I think you need to look in the mirror there pal.
Drew Lock was their third pick and they clearly waffled on it during the clock. They probably figured what the hell, worth a shot and our draft board is close.
Your hatred for the front office is clouding your judgement and instead of accurately assessing the information you are grasping onto straws for "more ammo".
Peter Kind had the Broncos talking Devin Bush and they literally traded out of that spot to pass on him. Super tuned in he is. If you had Schreager or Glazer talking about it then it might be worth listening to, but these teams play the PR game with all these guys, especially King. Which I'm sure he's fine with, he'd rather write prose on drinking lattes in the park these days.
And Elway traded up in the second round to grab Lock.
But to be clear, I'm not saying Elway was in "full bloom love" with Lock. I think he liked him and had a game plan to grab him if the draft fell the right way. And it appears that's what happened.
Just look at Lock - he's much more the physical prototype that Elway likes than DJ.
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He was their pick. Just look at the actions they made in that draft and Elways comments on draft day. It was like someone shot his dog so this Skins talk is a moot point.
Peter King was in the Broncos draft in 2019. And said the Broncos didn't have Jones as their QB target.
In fact, King predicted in his pre-draft mock a week before the draft that the Broncos really liked Lock, and would even trade to get him if he dropped.
I'm going with King over the Asshat all day on this one...
If Denver wanted Lock so bad why did they wait until their third pick to take him?
Because wanting to possibly draft a guy and overvaluing him with respect to 31 other teams is what bad GMs do.
No, you are missing it. You have to think broader than just being a Giant fan.
And Elway traded up in the second round to grab Lock.
But to be clear, I'm not saying Elway was in "full bloom love" with Lock. I think he liked him and had a game plan to grab him if the draft fell the right way. And it appears that's what happened.
Just look at Lock - he's much more the physical prototype that Elway likes than DJ.
This is more aligned to what happened. The Broncos put a certain value on both Jones and Lock and it wasn’t early first round.
Not all teams/GMs get caught up in the hype and move guys up their board based on rumors. And others do.
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and the Bowlen family loves him. I may eat these words, but I think he may have US Supreme Court justice status - lifetime tenure. So I don't think he's consumed with this art of deception like other teams might be - in terms of using reporters to float misdirection, etc.
And Elway traded up in the second round to grab Lock.
But to be clear, I'm not saying Elway was in "full bloom love" with Lock. I think he liked him and had a game plan to grab him if the draft fell the right way. And it appears that's what happened.
Just look at Lock - he's much more the physical prototype that Elway likes than DJ.
This is more aligned to what happened. The Broncos put a certain value on both Jones and Lock and it wasn’t early first round.
Not all teams/GMs get caught up in the hype and move guys up their board based on rumors. And others do.
I'll remember you saying that. Elway would have gotten fired if he didn't have the baked in COVID excuse. If he doesn't make playoffs in 2021, he'll be gone. There's a reason we were frantically trying to figure out a trade up from 17. They def did not expect Josh Allen to be there.
And the Elways thing always liking big, strong armed QBs. He brought in Case Keenum, Chad Kelly, noodle arm Peyton, Brandon Allen, and Sanchez. He's not exclusive to the big strong armed QB like he's portrayed. That's pretty much why every writer was connecting Lock to the Broncos because of this misconception. Guys like Peter King just make up shit based on what they think people are thinking and then claim insider access.
Your comments about King, big arms and the rest isn’t very interesting.
I'll remember you saying that. Elway would have gotten fired if he didn't have the baked in COVID excuse. If he doesn't make playoffs in 2021, he'll be gone. There's a reason we were frantically trying to figure out a trade up from 17. They def did not expect Josh Allen to be there.
And the Elways thing always liking big, strong armed QBs. He brought in Case Keenum, Chad Kelly, noodle arm Peyton, Brandon Allen, and Sanchez. He's not exclusive to the big strong armed QB like he's portrayed. That's pretty much why every writer was connecting Lock to the Broncos because of this misconception. Guys like Peter King just make up shit based on what they think people are thinking and then claim insider access.
Just a few thoughts here.
Chad Kelly was the LAST pick in the draft. So let's not act like Elway made this huge investment. He was purely a flier.
Peyton Manning? Really? Elway got three great years out of him, two SB appearances, and SB win. Seriously...?
Brandon Allen and Sanchez were fliers. Stop trying to make it seem like Elway was all in on these guys being franchise saving talents.
And he took a reasonable chance with Keenum after Keenum had the unexpectedly really good year in Minnesota. That was just trying to ride the wave if there was one to ride...
Are you saying that if Lock works out for him, and Jones doesn't really pay dividends with NYG, Elway merely got lucky because he really didn't get his QB?
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and the Bowlen family loves him. I may eat these words, but I think he may have US Supreme Court justice status - lifetime tenure. So I don't think he's consumed with this art of deception like other teams might be - in terms of using reporters to float misdirection, etc.
And Elway traded up in the second round to grab Lock.
But to be clear, I'm not saying Elway was in "full bloom love" with Lock. I think he liked him and had a game plan to grab him if the draft fell the right way. And it appears that's what happened.
Just look at Lock - he's much more the physical prototype that Elway likes than DJ.
This is more aligned to what happened. The Broncos put a certain value on both Jones and Lock and it wasn’t early first round.
Not all teams/GMs get caught up in the hype and move guys up their board based on rumors. And others do.
I'll remember you saying that. Elway would have gotten fired if he didn't have the baked in COVID excuse. If he doesn't make playoffs in 2021, he'll be gone. There's a reason we were frantically trying to figure out a trade up from 17. They def did not expect Josh Allen to be there.
And the Elways thing always liking big, strong armed QBs. He brought in Case Keenum, Chad Kelly, noodle arm Peyton, Brandon Allen, and Sanchez. He's not exclusive to the big strong armed QB like he's portrayed. That's pretty much why every writer was connecting Lock to the Broncos because of this misconception. Guys like Peter King just make up shit based on what they think people are thinking and then claim insider access.
Who was the asshat who passed this information? You are sure going all in on this? Was he verified through Eric or something?