Since coming to the Giants, Gettleman has given away more talent than he has acquired. Yes, the Giants are all boy scouts—no Odell or Jackrabbit—but they have nobody on this team to worry an opponent. At 0-5, who is afraid of this team?
Gettleman’s disposal of players as if they are football cards in a some silly game has destroyed any “team”. Fortunately, all the castoffs are in much better places, starting with Spags (who should have been promoted), Eli Apple, and others. Nobody can be more miserable than this assemblage of players who will likely be turned over in a year. Every year it’s a new cast of players: it’s not a team but a ever-changing collection of players. I feel bad for Coach Judge who has stepped into this disaster. Until Gettleman is gone, this “re-building” cycle will continue.
And most everyone ignored it when it began. You probably did, too.
I will never get over the 3rd rounder for a DT that gets 'pressures' and didn't get an agreement in place for a long term deal before the trade. That is a rookie move that should only be attributable to the likes and ego of Bill O'Brien
There's been plenty to criticize all along.
There's been plenty to criticize all along.
yeah but there was a large contingent of it was reese fault. And while Reese was horrible. DG has proven to be worse, which is quite the accomplishment to be worse than Jerry Reese.
We haven't had any drafts that you can point to and say 'we crushed it and are building a team around this class'.
Again, way too early, but so far I don't see a solid core emerging from the DG drafts.
I'm 40 and I know that we as an organization will never see a more talented receiver in my lifetime play for this team, the odds aren't there.
I wasn't happy about the trade since I knew we weren't going to replace that production but what did upset me has giving him all that money and then having to eat a lot of in dead money cap hit.
So OBJ is off the books now but we have exactly one receiver that gains consistent separation, that is Shepard. Slayton is good but he doesn't take on and defeat the double teams as a true #1. Still time for him to grow and improve. He is much better then advertised. Even the sporadic drops here and there but not the red flag like they were in college.
I mean over Bradberry's first 5 games as a Giant, he's played 5 better games than any single game "Jackrabbit" ever played...
Maybe I am exagerating, but if you miss that loser A-hole, you've got issues.
Jackrabbit, LOL.
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Yes, the Giants are all boy scouts—no Odell or Jackrabbit—but they have nobody on this team to worry an opponent.
I mean over Bradberry's first 5 games as a Giant, he's played 5 better games than any single game "Jackrabbit" ever played...
Maybe I am exagerating, but if you miss that loser A-hole, you've got issues.
Jackrabbit, LOL.
+1 lol
Hey, we can criticize DG all we want and it would be well deserved... but to think this team would have a few wins this year if OBJ, Jackrabbit.... and Eli Apple were on this team is ridiculous.
Every player the OP mentions was a disaster at the end.
Every player the OP mentions was a disaster at the end.
lol... I know. Too funny. Eli Apple cannot even play the position. He was not even a good player here. The guy CANNOT cover a WR!
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
You say that keep Eli thing like it's a bad thing. What was the harm in keeping Eli an extra year? It is no where near as bad as taking Jones too high or taking Jones at all for that matter. He cannot compete as a starter in this league.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
You say that keep Eli thing like it's a bad thing. What was the harm in keeping Eli an extra year? It is no where near as bad as taking Jones too high or taking Jones at all for that matter. He cannot compete as a starter in this league.
Gettleman wanted Lock. He was told to take Jones by the Mara family.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
Can we let 2020 play out before you suggest we aren't close to a playoff team please.
And don't question the 7 SBs...check out his resume if you don't believe me.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
Can we let 2020 play out before you suggest we aren't close to a playoff team please.
And don't question the 7 SBs...check out his resume if you don't believe me.
We're 0-5. The only reason there is even an extremely remote chance of making the playoffs is because the division is pathetic.
Just because you're employed by teams that went to 7 SBs, it doesn't mean you "know something about building a winner". Hw was the GM for one of those teams and 4-5 possible (likely?) future Hall of famers were on that team prior to Gettleman's arrival (Newton, Kuechly, Olsen, Kahlil, T Jones).
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Are you going through FMIC withdrawal or something?
I am not aware that Bill Belichick was ever coming back to NY, nor if Mara blocked it.
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offensive and defensive schemes within the Covid environment shouldn't allow for more time to assess the real quality of the team?
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
More talent is always helpful.
But DG has brought a lot of talent in that isn't on the field right now because of other circumstances not his fault, such as the Barkley and McKinney injuries, the Beal and Solder opt outs, and Baker arrest.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Are you going through FMIC withdrawal or something?
Don't follow?
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offensive and defensive schemes within the Covid environment shouldn't allow for more time to assess the real quality of the team?
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
More talent is always helpful.
But DG has brought a lot of talent in that isn't on the field right now because of other circumstances not his fault, such as the Barkley and McKinney injuries, the Beal and Solder opt outs, and Baker arrest.
Every team has injuries. I don't think anyone here or around the league was confusing Beal, Solder or Baker for all-pro level talents...probably not even starters on the majority of other teams.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
You don't know that. The Bears, Rams and Dallas games came right down to the wire and a play by Saquon or McKinney could have tipped the scales.
DG removed talent in the name of culture and he certainly did change the culture. To one of losing. And the only way out of that is to add talent back to the roster.
Blame Gettleman all you want, but I see a lot of the roster additions based on the coaching staffs more than Gettleman forcing players on the coaches.
Bettcher came from the cardinals and how many players were obtained from that organization for bettchers defense? Golden, mauro, bethea, bucannon and Kareem martin.
Look at the ties to shurmur and shula. Remmers, Stewart and Ellison
Pat shurmur was the one that brought Daniel Jones to Gettlemans attention and was very high on him
Gettleman gets blame when players don't pan out because he is the general manager (rightfully so), but a lot is based on recommendations from the coaching staff too.
Judge seems to have a clear perspective on how he envisions his team and the type of players he is looking for. Again, look at the past draft and how many had SEC ties (Judge and his coaching staffs handprint is all over that draft).
DG removed talent in the name of culture and he certainly did change the culture. To one of losing. And the only way out of that is to add talent back to the roster.
Removed talent for culture? Name one player that DG removed that made a difference in the team's so few wins in 2017 and 2018?
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
Bradberry is a replacement for Jenkins. It is unlikely that they would have played opposite each other. I actually thought it was terrible to cut Jenkins loose for pretty much no reason(I mean, our fans really are "retards"), but after watching this season, I think it was a fortuitous move since we upgraded.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
True but as far as the DBs are concerned, he was talking about Beals, Baker and McKinney.
He is building the lines. DG brought in a Right Tackle in free agency this year, drafted OL with 3 of his first 5 picks and may have found a gem in Gates converting to Center.
As to Defensive line, we have arguably the best 3-man combo at Defensive Tackle in the league.
Already talked about Secondary above and how its not his fault about Baker, Beal and McKinney not being available. the secondary would look a lot different if those guys were playing.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
Jackrabbit was bad for the lockerroom and the culture.
And already mentioned that Baker and Beal not being available isn't DG's fault.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Are you going through FMIC withdrawal or something?
Did FMiC leave the forum? Darn.
Why not bring up Yiadon or Ratley instead? Not many threads on them.
SMH
1. Jones needs to develop
2. The young o-line players need to develop
3. We need to add a real play we to the offense and defense
I think of those 3 things happen then we can be really good
Why not bring up Yiadon or Ratley instead? Not many threads on them.
SMH
Hey, he's approaching historical territory on a franchise that's existed since 1925. He deserves it.
DG removed talent in the name of culture and he certainly did change the culture. To one of losing. And the only way out of that is to add talent back to the roster.
It takes both talent and culture. The NFL is full of talent, hell even the lousy teams have talent. Its the combination with a culture that focuses on the team, not just on individual stats, and keeps a team focused (and not taking boat cruises or going to Cabo) that often proves the difference.
Over and over again you see teams like the Patriots not do these things and win over and over (and they don't have the best talent).
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He talked about building the lines but then drafted a RB instead of getting picks to build the lines. Because of that he’s at least a year if not two behind in the OL rebuild. He’s got a good DL but two of the three starters are FA next year.. He spent heavily on the secondary but that’s yet to develop (yes he’s had some bad luck there) considering the resources he’s spent. He’s running a 3-4 but has only one good LB. Not a good look.
He is building the lines. DG brought in a Right Tackle in free agency this year, drafted OL with 3 of his first 5 picks and may have found a gem in Gates converting to Center.
As to Defensive line, we have arguably the best 3-man combo at Defensive Tackle in the league.
Already talked about Secondary above and how its not his fault about Baker, Beal and McKinney not being available. the secondary would look a lot different if those guys were playing.
Like I said (if you actually read my post) the OL rebuild is a year or two behind schedule because of the Barkley pick, 2 of the 3 starting DLs are FA next year and the secondary has had some bad luck.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
Jackrabbit was bad for the lockerroom and the culture.
And already mentioned that Baker and Beal not being available isn't DG's fault.
The fact that neither baker nor Beal have shown that they are any good is on him though. Let’s not pretend that either of these guys were primed for stardom.
Why not bring up Yiadon or Ratley instead? Not many threads on them.
SMH
Agreed. If you want to toss blame then it needs to go to everyone, not just DG.
7 Super Bowls, and counting. You can look it up yourself.
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He talked about building the lines but then drafted a RB instead of getting picks to build the lines. Because of that he’s at least a year if not two behind in the OL rebuild. He’s got a good DL but two of the three starters are FA next year.. He spent heavily on the secondary but that’s yet to develop (yes he’s had some bad luck there) considering the resources he’s spent. He’s running a 3-4 but has only one good LB. Not a good look.
He is building the lines. DG brought in a Right Tackle in free agency this year, drafted OL with 3 of his first 5 picks and may have found a gem in Gates converting to Center.
As to Defensive line, we have arguably the best 3-man combo at Defensive Tackle in the league.
Already talked about Secondary above and how its not his fault about Baker, Beal and McKinney not being available. the secondary would look a lot different if those guys were playing.
Like I said (if you actually read my post) the OL rebuild is a year or two behind schedule because of the Barkley pick, 2 of the 3 starting DLs are FA next year and the secondary has had some bad luck.
Apologies.
I agree that is the proper way to look at things, that there is a cohesive plan but it was just derailed a little bit in terms of time because of circumstances DG was left with. And, of course, bad luck plays into it as well.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
Jackrabbit was bad for the lockerroom and the culture.
And already mentioned that Baker and Beal not being available isn't DG's fault.
The fact that neither baker nor Beal have shown that they are any good is on him though. Let’s not pretend that either of these guys were primed for stardom.
Ron these guys have barely played a season between them. Given time they could have turned into solid players (for Beal maybe still so). Remember Corey Webster.
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me which qb the agiants should have taken but didn’t to protect Eli and make him feel at home over the last couple of years?
Lock drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Herbert drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Young and potential can only go so far. He should have done it with Barkley pick but wasn’t imaginative enough to trade down. He then got really creative with picking a qb and getting jags to replace all his vets that he traded. He got it backwards
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me which qb the agiants should have taken but didn’t to protect Eli and make him feel at home over the last couple of years?
Lock drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Herbert drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Young and potential can only go so far. He should have done it with Barkley pick but wasn’t imaginative enough to trade down. He then got really creative with picking a qb and getting jags to replace all his vets that he traded. He got it backwards
As i mentioned, if you are going to cast stones then blame should be shared. You can't blame DG if his boss forced ELi on him longer than he wanted.
And are suggesting Barkley isn't one of the best running backs in the league (when healthy)? Do you understand how valuable a really good running back is, especially one that can catch the ball.
And trade downs actually require someone else to trade up...do I really have to remind some of you that?
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So when there is a big screw up is it the Mara family ot Eli’s fault right?
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me which qb the agiants should have taken but didn’t to protect Eli and make him feel at home over the last couple of years?
Lock drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Herbert drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Young and potential can only go so far. He should have done it with Barkley pick but wasn’t imaginative enough to trade down. He then got really creative with picking a qb and getting jags to replace all his vets that he traded. He got it backwards
As i mentioned, if you are going to cast stones then blame should be shared. You can't blame DG if his boss forced ELi on him longer than he wanted.
And are suggesting Barkley isn't one of the best running backs in the league (when healthy)? Do you understand how valuable a really good running back is, especially one that can catch the ball.
And trade downs actually require someone else to trade up...do I really have to remind some of you that?
That mara bs is just a mild inconvenience not blame worthy.
Is this team any good with star talent where a poor QB is holding them back? No. This team sucks all around.
And Mara was right if this is true. Eli still would be the best player on this team. Go name who they should have drafted before 2019 but Eli blocked them?
And no Barkley is not a good starting back. 90 percent of the time running in the nfl is tough physical play right up the gut where 5-10 yards is required... which he doesn’t not do and with him such a big liability on pass protection and only a fraction of the runs tosses to the outside or a screen called for no he is a special down back
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Might need it soon.
7 Super Bowls, and counting. You can look it up yourself.
lol
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So when there is a big screw up is it the Mara family ot Eli’s fault right?
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me which qb the agiants should have taken but didn’t to protect Eli and make him feel at home over the last couple of years?
Lock drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Herbert drafted 2019 Eli retired already
Young and potential can only go so far. He should have done it with Barkley pick but wasn’t imaginative enough to trade down. He then got really creative with picking a qb and getting jags to replace all his vets that he traded. He got it backwards
As i mentioned, if you are going to cast stones then blame should be shared. You can't blame DG if his boss forced ELi on him longer than he wanted.
And are suggesting Barkley isn't one of the best running backs in the league (when healthy)? Do you understand how valuable a really good running back is, especially one that can catch the ball.
And trade downs actually require someone else to trade up...do I really have to remind some of you that?
That mara bs is just a mild inconvenience not blame worthy.
Is this team any good with star talent where a poor QB is holding them back? No. This team sucks all around.
And Mara was right if this is true. Eli still would be the best player on this team. Go name who they should have drafted before 2019 but Eli blocked them?
And no Barkley is not a good starting back. 90 percent of the time running in the nfl is tough physical play right up the gut where 5-10 yards is required... which he doesn’t not do and with him such a big liability on pass protection and only a fraction of the runs tosses to the outside or a screen called for no he is a special down back
Would you rather have Darnold or Rosen instead of Barkley? You think the team sucks but I can assure you either of them wouldn't have made a difference either but that is probably the majority of who BBI wanted.
And I have seen Barkley run up the gut and pass protect fine. He just cannot do it all with the poor Offense he has around him and the Offensive Coordinators calling bad plays for him.
Geez, is seems some of you guys just make this stuff up because you didn't like how he was hired as GM.
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Might need it soon.
7 Super Bowls, and counting. You can look it up yourself.
lol
That is definitely LOL.
And no need to look it up, Resume Dave will just remind everyone at his next presser.
Well then you should be happy that Getts has these guys on the roster now as plan B. And maybe he can get a good price for plan A on the trade market before second contract time rolls around.
Good good.
2019, well, moving up for Baker was not smart as there were rumors of his attitude PRIOR to the draft. However, hindsight as they say is 50 / 50.
But DG's drafts haven't seemed to produce any studs though I still maintain high hopes that Jones, Lawrence and Thomas will end up being stars.
DG is as good as gone because of the record. Fans are DONE with losing and someone will have to pay the price for the ineptitude.
The rebuild begins in 2021 with (likely) Abrams being promoted; more FO changes and new scouts; and, a purge of players that don't fit for the future which will include Golden, Solder, Zeitler, Tate, Engram (trade perhaps?), and some of the roster fodder too.
We will be in good shape with the cap. We will get things done in 2021, the first year of the new rebuild.
We must know whether Jones is the answer; whether the OL of Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemiuex-Peart is the answer; and, whetheer WR Slayton can be a #1 possibly. Barkley I believe will be back 100% for game 1. There is hope but I don't expect to see much improvement until post-bye week.
That is not same as as signing Leonard fir too much money because his stupid trades on defense left them completely in uncompetitive
That is not the same as having to sign a over the hill gate for ten of millions of dollars who has his head in the clouds half the game because you traded Odell... Because eli obj was kept? Ok I guess this new mythical qb doesn’t need anyone to throw to?
The fact you could have picked up a freeman for 3 mil and gallman on the cheap and get better output smack in the face of incompetence. You really think anyone is going to give you anything close to #2 pick for him? Ridiculous
2-- If he had nothing to do with trying to win in 2018 why then did he follow it up in 2019 by taking Tate instead of going total rebuild?
3- A GM's job is to be right. Because some of us posters don't have the resources of having many scouts and other resources for moves - we're being told by other posters that because we didn't know which player(s) to trade for/ who knows who is available etc- then that justifies the GM getting busts like Solder, Ogeltree, and Omameh?
4-- AT the time of the trade of OBJ he was still considered among the league's best. For such a talent, overall how well did the Giants benefit from this move?
5-- So for our young QB and our super RB (now hurt)- seeing how our young QB is getting beat to crap and seeing how pretty easily Barkley was getting stuffed, how great is the combination of Thomas, Hernandez, Gates, Zeitler and Solder (oops -- no Solder, right?). I mean - Fleming?
None if this is supposedly DG's fault for having such a pathetic offensive line in which our QB is getting hit so often? This is all Mara's fault too and DG is to be held blameless?
Add an Edge Rusher next year and the sky is the limit if the D keeps progressing.
You're right. As a fan why should you or I complain? After all we are putting out such a juggernaut weak after week. Mara and DG can be proud of this fine product they have put out.
How dare we complain while we watch so much lousy football.
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And this is discussed on pretty much every thread.
And most everyone ignored it when it began. You probably did, too.
This! 90% of this board were defending the loser until we totally sucked this year. He should have been fired when he made the William's trade...that was embarrassing and ranked up there with trading down one spot for no reason to get Trubisky. DG is straight bush league.
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Might need it soon.
7 Super Bowls, and counting. You can look it up yourself.
Okay Dave
Sorry to bust it up for you LBH. ;)
Sorry to bust it up for you LBH. ;)
To tell you the truth, I think I can go another full day with this.
I have plenty more excuses for Gettleman in my back pocket that I have heard on this Board for months.
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You guys haven't figured out that he is playing devil's advocate. He is pretending, arguing like he is ryanmkeane or something. He's not.
Sorry to bust it up for you LBH. ;)
To tell you the truth, I think I can go another full day with this.
I have plenty more excuses for Gettleman in my back pocket that I have heard on this Board for months.
My bad...was just skimming the thread.
I am writing them into a phone with a bad internet connection. You cannot name the QB they were supposed to get so now you have yo rest to name calling. Rosen? who might never play a snap again unless it's arena league. Fact is Mara did you a favor douchbag and insisted you build around Eli you should have listened and drafted herbert. you would have to deal and when to get him the giants would have bad still ; just not this bad
Last time asking...what is this QB you want me to name?
Tell me how solder would have mattered one way or the other with said qb.
Tell me how solder would have mattered one way or the other with said qb.
Whatever free agent QB they could have signed for less than the $20+m they gave Eli.
Solder was a need signing because Reese screwed up with Flowers.
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Name the qb the giants should have been playing with if not for mara.
Tell me how solder would have mattered one way or the other with said qb.
Whatever free agent QB they could have signed for less than the $20+m they gave Eli.
Solder was a need signing because Reese screwed up with Flowers.
That sounds like a plan lol. Cut Eli ; sign someone else that no one wants ; and rebuild around them. Brilliant!
That works ok if you have a roster already in place and are missing a quarterback.
I didn’t ask the circumstances around solder. I asked how Mara insisting on keeping Eli had to do with a Solder signing. As if the free agent QB that you desired would not need Lineman to block?
By the way, I can come up with stuff all day long. Not kidding.