Since coming to the Giants, Gettleman has given away more talent than he has acquired. Yes, the Giants are all boy scouts—no Odell or Jackrabbit—but they have nobody on this team to worry an opponent. At 0-5, who is afraid of this team?
Gettleman’s disposal of players as if they are football cards in a some silly game has destroyed any “team”. Fortunately, all the castoffs are in much better places, starting with Spags (who should have been promoted), Eli Apple, and others. Nobody can be more miserable than this assemblage of players who will likely be turned over in a year. Every year it’s a new cast of players: it’s not a team but a ever-changing collection of players. I feel bad for Coach Judge who has stepped into this disaster. Until Gettleman is gone, this “re-building” cycle will continue.
And most everyone ignored it when it began. You probably did, too.
I will never get over the 3rd rounder for a DT that gets 'pressures' and didn't get an agreement in place for a long term deal before the trade. That is a rookie move that should only be attributable to the likes and ego of Bill O'Brien
There's been plenty to criticize all along.
There's been plenty to criticize all along.
yeah but there was a large contingent of it was reese fault. And while Reese was horrible. DG has proven to be worse, which is quite the accomplishment to be worse than Jerry Reese.
We haven't had any drafts that you can point to and say 'we crushed it and are building a team around this class'.
Again, way too early, but so far I don't see a solid core emerging from the DG drafts.
I'm 40 and I know that we as an organization will never see a more talented receiver in my lifetime play for this team, the odds aren't there.
I wasn't happy about the trade since I knew we weren't going to replace that production but what did upset me has giving him all that money and then having to eat a lot of in dead money cap hit.
So OBJ is off the books now but we have exactly one receiver that gains consistent separation, that is Shepard. Slayton is good but he doesn't take on and defeat the double teams as a true #1. Still time for him to grow and improve. He is much better then advertised. Even the sporadic drops here and there but not the red flag like they were in college.
I mean over Bradberry's first 5 games as a Giant, he's played 5 better games than any single game "Jackrabbit" ever played...
Maybe I am exagerating, but if you miss that loser A-hole, you've got issues.
Jackrabbit, LOL.
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Yes, the Giants are all boy scouts—no Odell or Jackrabbit—but they have nobody on this team to worry an opponent.
I mean over Bradberry's first 5 games as a Giant, he's played 5 better games than any single game "Jackrabbit" ever played...
Maybe I am exagerating, but if you miss that loser A-hole, you've got issues.
Jackrabbit, LOL.
+1 lol
Hey, we can criticize DG all we want and it would be well deserved... but to think this team would have a few wins this year if OBJ, Jackrabbit.... and Eli Apple were on this team is ridiculous.
Every player the OP mentions was a disaster at the end.
Every player the OP mentions was a disaster at the end.
lol... I know. Too funny. Eli Apple cannot even play the position. He was not even a good player here. The guy CANNOT cover a WR!
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
You say that keep Eli thing like it's a bad thing. What was the harm in keeping Eli an extra year? It is no where near as bad as taking Jones too high or taking Jones at all for that matter. He cannot compete as a starter in this league.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
You say that keep Eli thing like it's a bad thing. What was the harm in keeping Eli an extra year? It is no where near as bad as taking Jones too high or taking Jones at all for that matter. He cannot compete as a starter in this league.
Gettleman wanted Lock. He was told to take Jones by the Mara family.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
Can we let 2020 play out before you suggest we aren't close to a playoff team please.
And don't question the 7 SBs...check out his resume if you don't believe me.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Regarding your first point, even if he was left a bad roster, it's DG's third year in charge and he has done nothing that points to this team being a playoff team in the near future.
The last two points are laughable.
Can we let 2020 play out before you suggest we aren't close to a playoff team please.
And don't question the 7 SBs...check out his resume if you don't believe me.
We're 0-5. The only reason there is even an extremely remote chance of making the playoffs is because the division is pathetic.
Just because you're employed by teams that went to 7 SBs, it doesn't mean you "know something about building a winner". Hw was the GM for one of those teams and 4-5 possible (likely?) future Hall of famers were on that team prior to Gettleman's arrival (Newton, Kuechly, Olsen, Kahlil, T Jones).
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Are you going through FMIC withdrawal or something?
I am not aware that Bill Belichick was ever coming back to NY, nor if Mara blocked it.
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offensive and defensive schemes within the Covid environment shouldn't allow for more time to assess the real quality of the team?
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
More talent is always helpful.
But DG has brought a lot of talent in that isn't on the field right now because of other circumstances not his fault, such as the Barkley and McKinney injuries, the Beal and Solder opt outs, and Baker arrest.
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He was left a bad roster and cap situation from Jerry Reese.
And he was a very good GM in Charlotte when he didn't have the owner meddling in his deals.
Oh, and by the way, he has been in 7 Super Bowls so he knows something about building a winner.
Are you going through FMIC withdrawal or something?
Don't follow?
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offensive and defensive schemes within the Covid environment shouldn't allow for more time to assess the real quality of the team?
I guess that's why we disagree. I don't see the Covid impacted season being the driving reason for this debacle. Could schemes and coaching account for an extra couple of wins over the course of the season? Maybe.
However, I think the problem here is the lack of talent. Even very good schemes and coaching can't turn shit into shinola.
More talent is always helpful.
But DG has brought a lot of talent in that isn't on the field right now because of other circumstances not his fault, such as the Barkley and McKinney injuries, the Beal and Solder opt outs, and Baker arrest.
Every team has injuries. I don't think anyone here or around the league was confusing Beal, Solder or Baker for all-pro level talents...probably not even starters on the majority of other teams.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
You don't know that. The Bears, Rams and Dallas games came right down to the wire and a play by Saquon or McKinney could have tipped the scales.
DG removed talent in the name of culture and he certainly did change the culture. To one of losing. And the only way out of that is to add talent back to the roster.
Blame Gettleman all you want, but I see a lot of the roster additions based on the coaching staffs more than Gettleman forcing players on the coaches.
Bettcher came from the cardinals and how many players were obtained from that organization for bettchers defense? Golden, mauro, bethea, bucannon and Kareem martin.
Look at the ties to shurmur and shula. Remmers, Stewart and Ellison
Pat shurmur was the one that brought Daniel Jones to Gettlemans attention and was very high on him
Gettleman gets blame when players don't pan out because he is the general manager (rightfully so), but a lot is based on recommendations from the coaching staff too.
Judge seems to have a clear perspective on how he envisions his team and the type of players he is looking for. Again, look at the past draft and how many had SEC ties (Judge and his coaching staffs handprint is all over that draft).
DG removed talent in the name of culture and he certainly did change the culture. To one of losing. And the only way out of that is to add talent back to the roster.
Removed talent for culture? Name one player that DG removed that made a difference in the team's so few wins in 2017 and 2018?
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
Bradberry is a replacement for Jenkins. It is unlikely that they would have played opposite each other. I actually thought it was terrible to cut Jenkins loose for pretty much no reason(I mean, our fans really are "retards"), but after watching this season, I think it was a fortuitous move since we upgraded.
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and they could have meant the difference in 2 or maybe even 3 of the games thus far.
Are you saying that if we were 3-2 at this point we wouldn't be talking about this team differently right now and suggesting even playoffs?
Of course we'd be talking about the team differently if we were 3-2. But we're are 0-5 and those guys you mentioned weren't going to have the type of impact you suggest.
Jackrabbit could have added a couple wins.
He would look good opposite Bradberry. Huge step up from who we currently have
True but as far as the DBs are concerned, he was talking about Beals, Baker and McKinney.