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Ummm, ok that was an amazing Trevor Lawrence

jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 12:36 pm
83 yard TD pass. That was picture perfect with arc, descent in stride and without any extra movement need by the WR!
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Just threw a horrible pick...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2020 12:44 pm : link
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But, that was a bad decision  
jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 12:44 pm : link
and bad pass INt. right there.
And took a big hit...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2020 12:45 pm : link
Always have to admire his ability to stand in their and take the hit.
you know we're not going to get him right?  
Jints in Carolina : 10/17/2020 12:46 pm : link
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I don't think so either...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2020 12:48 pm : link
but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...
RE: you know we're not going to get him right?  
jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15011177 Jints in Carolina said:
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Know- I am one of the few saying Jones is our guy!
Who is Clemson playing today  
LBH15 : 10/17/2020 1:21 pm : link
LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama?
RE: I don't think so either...  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:
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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...


I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.
Just read some stat and apparently GT is TL's kryptonite  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2020 1:25 pm : link
4 of his 13 career INTs
Kid has  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2020 1:42 pm : link
The goods.
52-7 and not halftime yet.  
jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 1:43 pm : link
Another great TD pass by Lawrence..
When you guys blame him next year  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2020 1:43 pm : link
Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL
RE: RE: I don't think so either...  
jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15011194 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:


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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...



I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.


He is not Josh Rosen.
Carl you are absolutely right  
Chip : 10/17/2020 1:46 pm : link
This board was absolutely behind draft Haskins last year and drafting Rosen and Darnold two years ago. This board generally gets everything wrong.
RE: When you guys blame him next year  
jvm52106 : 10/17/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:
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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL


Not sure who the comment is directed at But, I am 100% behind Jones as our QB.
RE: When you guys blame him next year  
Producer : 10/17/2020 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:
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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL


So in KC it's the line, not Mahomes?

So in Seattle it's the line, not Wilson?

So in GB it's the line, not Rodgers?

...
RE: RE: I don't think so either...  
cokeduplt : 10/17/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15011194 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:


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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...



I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.



Seriously?!! ROSen? Stop it
RE: When you guys blame him next year  
cokeduplt : 10/17/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:
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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL


Yea that why Green Bay has been good all this years, not because of two hall of fame QBS
I'll say it  
Spider43 : 10/17/2020 1:55 pm : link
I think he has a shot to be better than Elway. Bigger arm, as athletic, better field and pocket awareness... all the goods. After watching the '18 QB combine I knew Josh Allen would be the best of the bunch. Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent. If we lose tomorrow, we have to do everything in our power to tank for him.
Ah... the Madden generation speaks ...  
Spider56 : 10/17/2020 2:07 pm : link
And a generational talent is born every year.
RE: Carl you are absolutely right  
Harvest Blend : 10/17/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15011205 Chip said:
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This board was absolutely behind draft Haskins last year and drafting Rosen and Darnold two years ago. This board generally gets everything wrong.


That's damn interesting considering I wanted nothing to do with either Haskins OR Rosen. Darnold? I would have been OK with that but was 100% against using a #2 pick on a damn RB when you have zero OL.

Stop speaking for the entire board.
RE: RE: I don't think so either...  
giantstock : 10/17/2020 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15011194 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:


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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...



I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.


Just


- wow.
TL would likely have been the #1 pick in the NFL draft coming out of  
markky : 10/17/2020 2:25 pm : link
high school and he's lived up to the hype. It doesn't mean he'll end up being a Rodgers or Mahomes, but he has a pretty high floor. His floor may be higher than DJ's ceiling.
RE: When you guys blame him next year  
WillVAB : 10/17/2020 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:
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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL


Maybe the next GM will finish the job and not listen to BBI mouth breathers targeting WRs and corners?
RE: Ah... the Madden generation speaks ...  
cokeduplt : 10/17/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15011216 Spider56 said:
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And a generational talent is born every year.




Best QB prospect since Peyton. What does madden have to do with it
RE: Who is Clemson playing today  
John In CO : 10/17/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15011193 LBH15 said:
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LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama?


Yeah, once you take away the two trips to the National Championship game, winning one....the kid really hasnt proven a thing. Lets see him play someone!

JFC..
JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
LBH15 : 10/17/2020 3:10 pm : link
he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.
Yeah so let's harp on the 1 int.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/17/2020 3:13 pm : link
10 minutes left, Trevor is 24-32 for 404 yards and 5 TD passes.

Give me a break. He is head and shoulders above Fields as a prospect. And Travis Etienne is the best RB in the nation.
RE: RE: When you guys blame him next year  
map7711 : 10/17/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15011208 Producer said:
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In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:


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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL



So in KC it's the line, not Mahomes?

So in Seattle it's the line, not Wilson?

So in GB it's the line, not Rodgers?

...


In the immortal words of Forrest Gump
Maybe it’s both
Maybe it’s both happening at the same time
RE: RE: I don't think so either...  
chopperhatch : 10/17/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15011194 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:


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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...



I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.


If you see Josh freaking Rosen when you watch TL play, I really don't know what to tell you.

Except maybe put down the ketamine, because Lawrence is to Rosen as DiFara's is to Famous Rays
Maybe you should be down the ketamine because I was clearly  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2020 3:53 pm : link
Talking about Fields. Reading comprehension peopl
And I wasn’t even talking about the play style. Just the fact they  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2020 3:54 pm : link
We’re both super hyped prospects out of high school and getting elevated status as nfl recruits because of that.
Worry about building a team  
Giantimistic : 10/17/2020 4:17 pm : link
One player can get injured—Luck as we all know.

Ofcourse you need a good QB but sustained quality is because of a solid team with depth that can handle injuries. When you add a good to great QB to that you have what we have seen with the Steelers and Patriots.Those teams Still won when the QBs went out.

Mahomes is great but KC is also a strong team.

RE: RE: I don't think so either...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15011194 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15011178 bw in dc said:


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but if we end up with, say, the third pick, and Fields is there, that's going to be a very interesting debate...



I can't say I've seen him more than twice, but he screams Josh Rosen to me. A guy that is pretty good, but gets hyped a lot more because of his high school recruiting status.


Fields is more athletic, has a sturdier build, and is much better at improv. Rosen, at this stage threw a better ball and had better mechanics, but Fields has the chance to get there.

Fields is raw, but he there is an interesting ceiling. I wasn't on board at first, because Day's offense with superior talent can make a lot of QBs look great (e.g. Haskins), but Fields is growing on me based on re-watching more footage from last year...That's why I am very eager to see him play this.
Fields  
Mark in ATL : 10/17/2020 5:14 pm : link
Fields last year was a more accurate passer than I thought he would be. Plus, he will benefit by playing against much better competition than Lawrence does in the ACC. Either way, the NFL can look forward to at least two and maybe three very good QB’s in the 2021 draft.
RE: When you guys blame him next year  
giantstock : 10/17/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:
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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL


I understand Seattle had a terrible OL a short time ago. Imagine Russell still won games with a bad OL. Are you saying no other QB in the history of the sport has won a decent amount of games with a bad OL?

Secondly, why can't they draft Lawrence, trade Jones, draft an OL or 2, and get one or two in FA, and at least be decent enough?

Third- is Lawrence better than DJones? If he is-- maybe Giants are have 2 or maybe 3 wins right now?
RE: JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
giantstock : 10/17/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15011240 LBH15 said:
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he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.


So he doesn't win one game in 2 years so he isn't worth the pick?

He was super vs Alabama. He was terrific - 259 years pass and 106 yards rushing getting beat up like Manning did vs San Fran and just showed tough as nails- vs Ohio State- but let's pick one game he loses as the defining moment rather than what it appears every analysts is saying about him?

Might as well destroy him too for the 1 interception he threw today- the 1st one he has had in about a year.
RE: Worry about building a team  
giantstock : 10/17/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15011262 Giantimistic said:
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One player can get injured—Luck as we all know.

Ofcourse you need a good QB but sustained quality is because of a solid team with depth that can handle injuries. When you add a good to great QB to that you have what we have seen with the Steelers and Patriots.Those teams Still won when the QBs went out.

Mahomes is great but KC is also a strong team.


How long do they sustain their success without the super QB? Why does it seem any team that sustains success it is generally because they've had a super QB vs any other position?
RE: JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/17/2020 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15011240 LBH15 said:
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he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.


He played The No. 7 team in the country Miami last week. He lit them up too.
RE: Maybe you should be down the ketamine because I was clearly  
chopperhatch : 10/17/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 15011253 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Talking about Fields. Reading comprehension peopl


Yes misread. Sorry lol
Stop doing this to yourselves guys.  
FStubbs : 10/17/2020 5:35 pm : link
Take a look at the Jets' schedule. THey're almost a lock for 0-16.
RE: RE: JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
LBH15 : 10/17/2020 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15011279 giantstock said:
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In comment 15011240 LBH15 said:


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he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.



So he doesn't win one game in 2 years so he isn't worth the pick?

He was super vs Alabama. He was terrific - 259 years pass and 106 yards rushing getting beat up like Manning did vs San Fran and just showed tough as nails- vs Ohio State- but let's pick one game he loses as the defining moment rather than what it appears every analysts is saying about him?

Might as well destroy him too for the 1 interception he threw today- the 1st one he has had in about a year.


Why can’t you all start looking objectively at the prospect? I like him a whole lot but I don’t base whether he should be drafted from games like today.

My advice is you all shouldn’t either.
RE: Stop doing this to yourselves guys.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/17/2020 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15011289 FStubbs said:
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Take a look at the Jets' schedule. THey're almost a lock for 0-16.
Jets are also getting worse as the season goes on.
RE: TL would likely have been the #1 pick in the NFL draft coming out of  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/17/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15011223 markky said:
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high school and he's lived up to the hype. It doesn't mean he'll end up being a Rodgers or Mahomes, but he has a pretty high floor. His floor may be higher than DJ's ceiling.


Now THAT IS an exaggeration!

If ANYTHING has been underestimated around here, its DJ's and Thomas's ceilings. The question for both is will they get there?
RE: RE: Stop doing this to yourselves guys.  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/17/2020 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15011297 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 15011289 FStubbs said:


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Take a look at the Jets' schedule. THey're almost a lock for 0-16.

Jets are also getting worse as the season goes on.


The Jets might go 0-17...
RE: Worry about building a team  
markky : 10/17/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15011262 Giantimistic said:
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One player can get injured—Luck as we all know.

Ofcourse you need a good QB but sustained quality is because of a solid team with depth that can handle injuries. When you add a good to great QB to that you have what we have seen with the Steelers and Patriots.Those teams Still won when the QBs went out.

Mahomes is great but KC is also a strong team.


the counter argument is that 80% of the teams that have won the Superbowl over the last 20 years have had great quarterbacks. only 4 pedestrian QBs have won Superbowls in that period (unless you count Eli as pedestrian). The stats are about the same going all the way back to Superbowl 1.
Miami #7 in the country  
Mark in ATL : 10/17/2020 6:16 pm : link
Joey - that’s without other major conferences playing a game yet. A pretty misleading ranking.
RE: RE: RE: JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
giantstock : 10/17/2020 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15011291 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15011279 giantstock said:


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In comment 15011240 LBH15 said:


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he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.



So he doesn't win one game in 2 years so he isn't worth the pick?

He was super vs Alabama. He was terrific - 259 years pass and 106 yards rushing getting beat up like Manning did vs San Fran and just showed tough as nails- vs Ohio State- but let's pick one game he loses as the defining moment rather than what it appears every analysts is saying about him?

Might as well destroy him too for the 1 interception he threw today- the 1st one he has had in about a year.



Why can’t you all start looking objectively at the prospect? I like him a whole lot but I don’t base whether he should be drafted from games like today.

My advice is you all shouldn’t either.


I can't speak for other but have.

AN I listen ot others as well.

And it's overwhelmingly positive.

The only counter I've seen that can be even near a slam is one game vs LSU. SO I'm supposed to kill him for one game vs arguably open of the best college team that has played over the past 510 years - or longer?
RE: RE: When you guys blame him next year  
joeinpa : 10/17/2020 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15011208 Producer said:
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In comment 15011201 Carl in CT said:


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Maybe some of you will learn it’s not the QB but the OL



So in KC it's the line, not Mahomes?

So in Seattle it's the line, not Wilson?

So in GB it's the line, not Rodgers?

...


Absolutely right, the idea that a offensive line is important for a quarterback s success is silly
RE: RE: RE: RE: JFC - I think you missed the point. It’s about how  
LBH15 : 10/17/2020 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15011317 giantstock said:
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In comment 15011291 LBH15 said:


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In comment 15011279 giantstock said:


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In comment 15011240 LBH15 said:


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he plays in those to shelf games. Not his performance versus the Georgia Techs of the ACC.

Lawrence is excellent against GT, but he didn’t throw 5 TDs at the half versus LSU last January.



So he doesn't win one game in 2 years so he isn't worth the pick?

He was super vs Alabama. He was terrific - 259 years pass and 106 yards rushing getting beat up like Manning did vs San Fran and just showed tough as nails- vs Ohio State- but let's pick one game he loses as the defining moment rather than what it appears every analysts is saying about him?

Might as well destroy him too for the 1 interception he threw today- the 1st one he has had in about a year.



Why can’t you all start looking objectively at the prospect? I like him a whole lot but I don’t base whether he should be drafted from games like today.

My advice is you all shouldn’t either.



I can't speak for other but have.

AN I listen ot others as well.

And it's overwhelmingly positive.

The only counter I've seen that can be even near a slam is one game vs LSU. SO I'm supposed to kill him for one game vs arguably open of the best college team that has played over the past 510 years - or longer?


Ok good. Then we shouldn’t have to really concern ourselves with ultra positive games against the high school defenses in the ACC.

Start a thread when he plays somebody.
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