for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
The point is on that play, it doesn't matter who the WRs are or who the OL is. There was nothing there and he needed to throw it away. So, he either made a bad attempt to throw that out of the end zone or an even worse decision and throw if he was trying to hit a WR. That ball needed to go over someone's head on the sideline, or well out of the end zone. A worst case scenario should have been tuck the ball.
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
While Freeman is more of a north-south runner, I think your second point is pertinent.
One, it was not deflected. Two, it was not clear that it was out of bounds. Personally, I thought he came down with his elbow a hair inside the end line. At best, it was questionable whether or not his elbow hit out of bounds. So, I have no problem with the review. As much as I would have liked to overturn the call, it wasn't conclusive.
As I stated elsewhere, I just want that same consistency on the other review. To me, it seemed Allen's hip was down before he got the ball extended for the first. The replay was in no way conclusive, so how did they overturn the spot on the field?
But we are getting better. We lack any real weapons on Offense. We will get Saquan back, but we need a WR threat.
On defense we need an edge and maybe another corner.
But I do think the lines are better. The offensive line is starting to minimize the plays were things get absolutely blown up. That has been a feature for years.
Obviously, if you get the chance to take Lawrence, you take him. But, I would prefer to see the team continue to improve and pick up a few wins along the way.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Jones said he was throwing it away there. That elbow hit out of bounds you can see the way the turf rubber pops up. He hit out of bounds. He let Young get to close and he had to throw it away falling backwards and he did not get enough on it. If anything to kill him on he should have thrown it away a split second sooner. Again I disagree that was intercepted that guy landed out of bounds.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
If you are lucky enough to draft a true franchise QB, yes that player can *help* you transform from 0-16 to a SB champion. It's obviously not going to happen in one year but I don't believe anyone that would support drafting Lawrence is delusional enough to think it would happen in one season.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
I think Slayton (I think it was Slayton) was the only receiver over there, so he had to throw it near him. No one was near the sideline, so just chucking it out there could have been grounding since he was in the pocket. He tried to throw it over Slayton out of bounds, but seemed to get hit when he did (which caused the ball to not get there)
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
The problem is that refs are being taught to let turnovers play out because they get reviewed anyways. So if there is any question at all in their minds, they call it a turnover on the field. Then there has to be enough evidence to slap them in the face to overturn. On this play, his elbow was absolutely out of bounds. If the ref had called it incomplete on the field it would never had been overturned. So the call on the field stays but the problem is, they are taught to call it a turnover if there is a question in real time. Putting the turnover ruling at an immense advantage. They didn’t follow that protocol last week though...
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Your post is crap. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to post? This isn't YOUR house. And there are different ways one can be a fan.
For example some of us are disgusted/ashamed over the years how this team has been performing and are hoping for change. Posters like you who just want to be cheerleaders disgust us pretty mightily.
Many of us have ben right since 2018 that we have a clown-of-a-GM. Yet we're supposed to shut up and let cheerleaders like you have the only voice?
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
Because it was awful attempt to throw it away. And by the way,-- it was called an interception. The Giants lost possession. He could've thrown it to the ground. To the sideline. Instead he stupidly tries to throw out of the end zone while he is falling back with someone in his face.
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
If anyone has an agenda it’s you this is just a massive reach of a post.
A. Where did I talk about at all what correlates to wins? I talked about how the win should feel and it doesn’t feel good to watch a team control the ball and methodically march it down the field against our only competent unit
B. While some people get their panties in a twist about me trying to stop someone acting in low integrity be my guest. But I will unapologetically curb shitty behaviors in whatever ways I can. When someone wants to follow you around just spouting hate and bullshit I’m going to try as many different ways to curb it as possible. And again, the only reason my credentials ever came into question was I was told the things I was clearly seeing about the Giants weaknesses before many on this board I couldn’t possibly know. And as you can see it’s people like you continue to bring it up despite the fact that what I’ve said has proven to be quite accurate
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
The Jets are getting the #1 pick regardless of what we do. I looked at their schedule and they will be lucky to avoid 0-16
RE: RE: This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence
I agree with this. The GIants were always going to play hard for a first year coach in Joe Judge and get maybe 3-5 wins. The Jets quit on Adam Gase in preseason and most likely are going 0-16 having traded, released or placed all their good players on IR
Let's see. A poster sent in their resume to the site owner and threatened slander. Clueless that one can't slander an anonymous person.
Yet, this poster with high integrity" went on LinkedIn to question the credentials of Tyseer Siam, used his actual name here, and repeatedly said the guy in unqualified.
The irony is so rich there. With that poster of such high integrity.
Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing
is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season
RE: Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing
is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season
Well said. I’ll add to that develop talent. I’d like to see if Judge and Co. can develop the drafted players. I think that’s been sorely lacking over the past two regimes and probably back into Coughlin’s early 2010s. Maybe the luck changes with this regime.
I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
I think there is something wrong with ever tanking, that is from a fan and player perspective. AS a player, tanking gets people hurt. As a fan, it just adds to misery.
turned what would have been a terrible loss into a win. That and Riverboat Ron who had a good game until that two point conversion. Although, I thought "Oh shit" when I heard they were going for two.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
The excuse you are making is excusing the fact DJones executed terribly his throwaway.
You understand what a throwaway is, right?
He could've thrown the ball sidelines. He could have buried the ball in the ground.
Instead he threw high pop which allowed the refs to make a decision. How is that you can't understand this?
I get it that we won. But you understand that this is a discussion board, right? And it's okay even after wins to point out mistakes b our team, right?
How is backpedaling with someone in your face resulting in throwing up a high pop while forcing the refs to decide rather than throwing it to the sidelines or bury the ball in the ground a smart play? You're "excusing" it by saying we won and/or the refs blew it. But it was still a combination of horribly executed and stupid to throw it out of the end zone instead of sidlelines or to the ground.
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
Everybody is looking at his elbow on that int... It wasn't his elbow that came down first, if you watch carefully it was his forearm/wrist, and it was clearly in bounds.
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
Wish there was a site that tracked this stuff, but I'm guessing teams have used less stacked boxes with Barkley out. Probably fewer run blitzes as well. But that's conjecture on my part.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
LOL
"Hey let's try to lose all of our games so that the Jets don't get the number one piclk!"
see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
It can still be a bad decision/bad execution and an erroneous call by the refs that tangibly hurt us. The two are not mutually exclusive and I am not completely sure (although a I have strong suspicions) why some people can't understand that.
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
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make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
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for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
While Freeman is more of a north-south runner, I think your second point is pertinent.
As I stated elsewhere, I just want that same consistency on the other review. To me, it seemed Allen's hip was down before he got the ball extended for the first. The replay was in no way conclusive, so how did they overturn the spot on the field?
On defense we need an edge and maybe another corner.
But I do think the lines are better. The offensive line is starting to minimize the plays were things get absolutely blown up. That has been a feature for years.
Obviously, if you get the chance to take Lawrence, you take him. But, I would prefer to see the team continue to improve and pick up a few wins along the way.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Jones said he was throwing it away there. That elbow hit out of bounds you can see the way the turf rubber pops up. He hit out of bounds. He let Young get to close and he had to throw it away falling backwards and he did not get enough on it. If anything to kill him on he should have thrown it away a split second sooner. Again I disagree that was intercepted that guy landed out of bounds.
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Daniel Jones on the interception: “Trying to throw the ball away and didn’t get enough on it.”
But hell I say we just go fire Gettleman...
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
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Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
If you are lucky enough to draft a true franchise QB, yes that player can *help* you transform from 0-16 to a SB champion. It's obviously not going to happen in one year but I don't believe anyone that would support drafting Lawrence is delusional enough to think it would happen in one season.
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
I think Slayton (I think it was Slayton) was the only receiver over there, so he had to throw it near him. No one was near the sideline, so just chucking it out there could have been grounding since he was in the pocket. He tried to throw it over Slayton out of bounds, but seemed to get hit when he did (which caused the ball to not get there)
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
Really sucks for Jones to have that play overlook a solid day for him, bad decision either way.
It's a risky ploy, as Jones will be more and more exposed, but I like taking advantage of that skill in the short term...
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
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INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
The problem is that refs are being taught to let turnovers play out because they get reviewed anyways. So if there is any question at all in their minds, they call it a turnover on the field. Then there has to be enough evidence to slap them in the face to overturn. On this play, his elbow was absolutely out of bounds. If the ref had called it incomplete on the field it would never had been overturned. So the call on the field stays but the problem is, they are taught to call it a turnover if there is a question in real time. Putting the turnover ruling at an immense advantage. They didn’t follow that protocol last week though...
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Your post is crap. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to post? This isn't YOUR house. And there are different ways one can be a fan.
For example some of us are disgusted/ashamed over the years how this team has been performing and are hoping for change. Posters like you who just want to be cheerleaders disgust us pretty mightily.
Many of us have ben right since 2018 that we have a clown-of-a-GM. Yet we're supposed to shut up and let cheerleaders like you have the only voice?
The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo
Terrible job by refs on that play
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
Because it was awful attempt to throw it away. And by the way,-- it was called an interception. The Giants lost possession. He could've thrown it to the ground. To the sideline. Instead he stupidly tries to throw out of the end zone while he is falling back with someone in his face.
The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo
Terrible job by refs on that play
Your post is typical whiney post form fans always looking for excuses.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
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all the power to you.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
If anyone has an agenda it’s you this is just a massive reach of a post.
A. Where did I talk about at all what correlates to wins? I talked about how the win should feel and it doesn’t feel good to watch a team control the ball and methodically march it down the field against our only competent unit
B. While some people get their panties in a twist about me trying to stop someone acting in low integrity be my guest. But I will unapologetically curb shitty behaviors in whatever ways I can. When someone wants to follow you around just spouting hate and bullshit I’m going to try as many different ways to curb it as possible. And again, the only reason my credentials ever came into question was I was told the things I was clearly seeing about the Giants weaknesses before many on this board I couldn’t possibly know. And as you can see it’s people like you continue to bring it up despite the fact that what I’ve said has proven to be quite accurate
B.
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all the power to you.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
The Jets are getting the #1 pick regardless of what we do. I looked at their schedule and they will be lucky to avoid 0-16
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Typical Giants luck
They were never getting the first pick 🤡
I agree with this. The GIants were always going to play hard for a first year coach in Joe Judge and get maybe 3-5 wins. The Jets quit on Adam Gase in preseason and most likely are going 0-16 having traded, released or placed all their good players on IR
@ Kansas City
New England
@ LA Chargers
Miami
Raiders
@ Seattle
@ LA Rams
Cleveland
@ New England
Maybe they get lucky and Cleveland lays an egg or they beat Miami at home, but they are staring at 0-16
Let's see. A poster sent in their resume to the site owner and threatened slander. Clueless that one can't slander an anonymous person.
Yet, this poster with high integrity" went on LinkedIn to question the credentials of Tyseer Siam, used his actual name here, and repeatedly said the guy in unqualified.
The irony is so rich there. With that poster of such high integrity.
Well said. I’ll add to that develop talent. I’d like to see if Judge and Co. can develop the drafted players. I think that’s been sorely lacking over the past two regimes and probably back into Coughlin’s early 2010s. Maybe the luck changes with this regime.
INT bad call
Spot reversal good call
Get a better TV!
Win Thursday any which way and I'll be ecstatic.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
The excuse you are making is excusing the fact DJones executed terribly his throwaway.
You understand what a throwaway is, right?
He could've thrown the ball sidelines. He could have buried the ball in the ground.
Instead he threw high pop which allowed the refs to make a decision. How is that you can't understand this?
I get it that we won. But you understand that this is a discussion board, right? And it's okay even after wins to point out mistakes b our team, right?
How is backpedaling with someone in your face resulting in throwing up a high pop while forcing the refs to decide rather than throwing it to the sidelines or bury the ball in the ground a smart play? You're "excusing" it by saying we won and/or the refs blew it. But it was still a combination of horribly executed and stupid to throw it out of the end zone instead of sidlelines or to the ground.
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I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
Everybody is looking at his elbow on that int... It wasn't his elbow that came down first, if you watch carefully it was his forearm/wrist, and it was clearly in bounds.
Wish there was a site that tracked this stuff, but I'm guessing teams have used less stacked boxes with Barkley out. Probably fewer run blitzes as well. But that's conjecture on my part.
LOL
"Hey let's try to lose all of our games so that the Jets don't get the number one piclk!"
Yessireee...
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
It can still be a bad decision/bad execution and an erroneous call by the refs that tangibly hurt us. The two are not mutually exclusive and I am not completely sure (although a I have strong suspicions) why some people can't understand that.