This win feels like a loss. I will be rooting for actual losses for the next ten games. Anything it takes. Franchise needs to be stripped down to the studs and rebuilt.
Washington wins by losing. Just like last year. Their fans are rightfully thrilled.
Malnourished of wins some have a strange way of appreciating this win. I'm glad the Giants won, I'm happy for Joe Judge, I'm happy for the players who have continued to work their butts off even if they weren't getting the results they were hoping for.
but as a Giants fan who the f is upset!?? Gtfo of here. Sometimes all a team needs is that first taste of victory to hit its stride. I don’t have any expectations of a playoff run here based on the roster, but I think this teams best football is ahead of them
is the only positive I see with this team going forward.
Jones once again had an absolutely awful turnover. Defense made a couple plays but gave up thagt final TD way too easily.
Jabrill Peppers has a C on his chest but I would be very happy if he were no longer a Giant come tomorrow. Guy hasn't done jack shit all year even today and then he does back flips coming off of that effort with a bad ankle? Remarkably dumb football player on a team filled with them he is at the top
This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence
The Pats lost today to Denver. Ugly game. Hey, for the 1st time in ages my Team the Giants won and my wife, mother and son's team, the Pats, Lost. Philly is really banged up, if we play well and they have an ugly game we have a shot. Congrats to Joe Judge. This team is a pass rusher and wr away from being competitive. They are getting better. Yes Washington sucks...but a win is a win!
1.) Congrats Coach. A win is a win ...especially for those who prepare all week!
2.) clock was at zeros for at least a second on the last WAS TD. Should’ve been called.
3.) prob won’t happen, but I’d love to see a Barkley-Freeman 1-2 punch in the backfield next season. I’m sure it’d be too expensive for 2 feature backs.
They weren’t going winless this year. The Rivera play call on the 2pt was head scratching as was the decision to go for it.
The Good
-defense made some plays during the game
- judge gets his first win
The Bad
-offense continues to struggle as is Jones. If we’re being honest with ourselves, Allen outplayed him today.
-defense gave up a late TD and was bailed out by Ron
I don’t know what to think with this team, but it’s hard to believe there are more than 4 wins on this schedule right now. But maybe this sparks them. The offense is concerning.
It wasn't the best performance but it matters. This team is going to take a while until it is competitive. There still is a lot to be done but they have to get a win to start move forward. Good for Judge.
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
I want to see the team improve and show signs of an upward trajectory. If that's 1-15 with fluke last second losses or 7-9 with fluke wins against third string QBs, whatever. What are we putting on tape? Are we improving? Are we playing poorly?
The offense is a fucking disaster.
The defense has its moments and I find that side of the ball somewhat encouraging but the negligent misuse of assets there have us lacking edge talent.
Officiating was awful. Interception was out of bounds and the play clock if official was at zero on TD pass
Peart at this time is a better LT than Thomas whose technique is plain awful.
RE: Andrews was back at left tackle later in the game
Our new HC just notched his first win. We were 0-5 heading in so who really cares about the circumstances?
Since the SF game the Giants have generally played better ball each week. The division sucks so next week can still be interesting. Whatever.
Was this better football though? Kyle Allen went 31-42 for 280 and we let him march right down the field for a TD in crunch time. Let’s not even get into the offense
It was an unfortunate pass for sure. Give him some credit for trying to throw it away but give him some criticism for being poor at it.
But, it was no interception.
Perhaps it wasn't. However I cannot give a high round 1 draft pick credit for doing something as simple as throwing it away. I'm not asking for a TD in that situation, just play smarter and kick the FG.
RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call
the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.
Don’t have a dvr so I can’t rewatch. It seemed like a throwaway under pressure to me.
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You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call
Washington gave up the game probably for the 1st rd choice in the draft lol Can you make it anymore blatant??! No coach would have gone for 2?! Complete joke...
you really can’t go back and forth on. If they pull the plug on Jones, they really can’t go back to him. However, I can see it happening later in the season.
the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
I don’t think anyone questions that. BUt it still doesn’t change the truth of what it was. I can understand why you would choose to discount that, but I think for many you can still criticize the decision while still recognizing the fact of it.
how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call
the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
You mean with someone in his face as he is backpedalling- he is supposed to try to throw the ball towards the back on the end zone out of bounds instead of throwing it to sideline out of bounds or on the ground.
Fact is we don't know for sure- it looked like a throwaway - but it was also another incredibly stupid thing to do as he is backing up. You mean for all the football he has played in his life he is too stupid to realize that backing up and a guy in his face that it might not be a god idea to chuck it straight?
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You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
Cant rewatch the play myself. I’m sure someone can
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I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...
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You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’
showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’
Of course our teams were better than this team during the Superbowl seasons. However, I can recall fans here in the middle of the 2007 season giving up.
DJ was just getting rid of the ball, IMHO. The problem on that particular play, aside from the bad mechanics (throwing off balance and off his back foot), is his arm strength. So he's got to be even more careful than your average QB out there.
I’m confused why you guys were so angry at the guy saying the team and organization both suck. The team and organization have been pathetic for well over 7 years now. Just because we are Giants fans doesn’t mean we have to blindly view the status of the team and organization. It’s bad, really bad. That’s the reality.
RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call
DJ was just getting rid of the ball, IMHO. The problem on that particular play, aside from the bad mechanics (throwing off balance and off his back foot), is his arm strength. So he's got to be even more careful than your average QB out there.
Yes!!!
I get the feeling some just want to excuse what you just posted though. Just unwilling to be critical of DJ in much manner.
Gotta start evaluating Jones to Trey Lance and Fields until the NYG
lose themselves back into the TL race (which can still happen). It's becoming more evident by the week that Jones probably isnt't the guy moving forward.
RE: RE: Two incompetent offenses...only one could lose
“Fuck off” is a tad strong but I have to say I’m kind of surprised by sarcasm from an admin after a much needed win. But we’re all a little frayed. Me personally, I’m celebrating a Giants win.
The fact that you're an admin speaks volumes this site.
Blake Martinez wisely ran into receiver Antonio Gibson and knocked him down. I think Gibson was Allen's target, but because he was in front of Martinez and not five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, the knockdown was legal.
RE: Gotta start evaluating Jones to Trey Lance and Fields until the NYG
lose themselves back into the TL race (which can still happen). It's becoming more evident by the week that Jones probably isnt't the guy moving forward.
I wouldn’t think twice about taking Fields. He’s better than Jones. Lance is the question mark and id rather have Waddle or chase at 3 or 4
You never forget your first win as a head coach or your first win in the NFL. If there’s anything to be optimistic about with the Giants it’s the possibility that Judge might be a legit HC.
Don’t understand the criticism of Jones on the interception
He was throwing it away, Chase Young hit him as he threw (go look at the replay) and the interception was caught out of bounds. But Jones is the problem. Got it.
It’s a win but Giants should try to petition the league office
He was throwing it away, Chase Young hit him as he threw (go look at the replay) and the interception was caught out of bounds. But Jones is the problem. Got it.
showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!
He was throwing it away. That was obvious in real time. It was defected that was obvious in real time as well. And that it was caught out of bounds was blatantly obvious.
This may be true. It's hard to tell but it looks like Slayton cuts in to pylon as opposed to back of end zone there. Curious what the all 22 will say there.
Washington gave up the game probably for the 1st rd choice in the draft lol Can you make it anymore blatant??! No coach would have gone for 2?! Complete joke...
One can certainly questions Rivera's decision to go for 2 in that spot, especially given the ineptitude of the Giants' O.
But if you think ANY NFL HC with a 1-4 record (in the NFL East no less with a soft schedule in the next 4 or 5 games) is trying to lose just to get the top pick in the draft... I don't know what to tell you.
Head coaches and players play to win the game. (Hello!)
I am happy for the team and for Judge. In Judge and his staff, I truly believe we have a solid base to move forward. That said, this is still a terrible team and difficult to watch.
While I love finally seeing a win, and at home, I am not happy we barely squeaked by one of the few teams either as bad or worse than us. And they more lost that game with the decision to go for 2 than we won.
So, it's great that we won. But, I don't feel great about it.
Giants did nothing to win outside of picking up a fumble
And what was it they needed to do outside of picking up a fumble to win? Your wrong BTW, they outscored the WFT.Thats what they did to win. You can pretend they didnt, but they did.
Somehow defensive scores don't count where you are from.
how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
What a fucking drip, and what a morbid mindset, but at least it must be comforting to know you have your spring draft bitching all planned out. Nice to be prepared!!!
playing a competent LT against a strong front. Regardless of what happens with Thomas, having Peart as a reliable starter on this line for the foreseeable future would be huge.
earlier, no gloating for your prescience.
Biggest issue I see is they may have blown the # 6 and 4 picks in consecutive drafts. Lombardi couldn’t win with that happening.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
They got a horrendous call on their interception and the clock was at 00 for two seconds on their TD.
I’m sorry but Jason Garrett needs to really get this shit turned around. Jones threw 5 TDs the last time he faced these guys and now it’s a struggle for just 1. Outside of Jones’ rushing yards, they didn’t do jackshit on the ground again. Outside of the TD, the ball never goes down the field. Outside of the first play, Jones is never moved on passing plays.
While having ANY of the Giants TEs block Chase Young is submoronic, Jones has to get the ball out of the end zone if he’s throwing it away. Just has to get it done.
Special teams cost them points and the defense was pretty much shit outside of Bradberry and Ryan. Williams was okay. I like Jones more than most, but I’m going to be really pissed if the Jets or WASH gets Trevor Lawrence.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
I give Jones credit for playing with this awful offense but
would like to see him process a bit faster. Fairly sure that was a throw away but he could have taken off left with his feet, or thrown it a second earlier to avoid the pressure.
He can’t stop these turnovers around the end zone no matter what he does...real killers.
One, I thought it was a good call on the INT. Live, it looked good. Replay, to me, was inconclusive. That was a costly and stupid turnover from Jones. For me, I don't want to hear about what a clean game he played except for that play, because that play was almost the game for them. If it was an isolated play, that's one thing. But, it is becoming a problematic trend.
Two, on the other hand, I thought the spot the WFT challenged should have been upheld. To me, it looked like his hip was down before the ball was extended. At the every least, it was not conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. If there wasn't enough to overturn the INT call earlier, then how was this replay conclusive enough?
Three, I still have a big problem with this D. The fumble for a TD was huge. But, they followed that up by allowing Washington to go right down the field for a TD. Every game has seen them give up at least 1 scoring drive in the second half of the 4th quarter.
That said, there were a lot of areas of improvement also. It was nice to see a running game starting to develop. Freeman is rounding into shape. It was also nice to see some designed runs and RPO for Jones. He had a big impact with his legs.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!
I've rooted for the Yankees and Bruins to lose in the past. They did, and both became better teams because of it. While neither were bottom of the league bad, they made necessary changes to bring them back to prominence and become playoff contenders.
4 wins for NYG just keeps this cycle of suck going
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
With the whole new staff and system and Covid, you could argue this is his rookie year.
He definitely needs to make some decisions quicker
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
The point is on that play, it doesn't matter who the WRs are or who the OL is. There was nothing there and he needed to throw it away. So, he either made a bad attempt to throw that out of the end zone or an even worse decision and throw if he was trying to hit a WR. That ball needed to go over someone's head on the sideline, or well out of the end zone. A worst case scenario should have been tuck the ball.
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
While Freeman is more of a north-south runner, I think your second point is pertinent.
One, it was not deflected. Two, it was not clear that it was out of bounds. Personally, I thought he came down with his elbow a hair inside the end line. At best, it was questionable whether or not his elbow hit out of bounds. So, I have no problem with the review. As much as I would have liked to overturn the call, it wasn't conclusive.
As I stated elsewhere, I just want that same consistency on the other review. To me, it seemed Allen's hip was down before he got the ball extended for the first. The replay was in no way conclusive, so how did they overturn the spot on the field?
But we are getting better. We lack any real weapons on Offense. We will get Saquan back, but we need a WR threat.
On defense we need an edge and maybe another corner.
But I do think the lines are better. The offensive line is starting to minimize the plays were things get absolutely blown up. That has been a feature for years.
Obviously, if you get the chance to take Lawrence, you take him. But, I would prefer to see the team continue to improve and pick up a few wins along the way.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Jones said he was throwing it away there. That elbow hit out of bounds you can see the way the turf rubber pops up. He hit out of bounds. He let Young get to close and he had to throw it away falling backwards and he did not get enough on it. If anything to kill him on he should have thrown it away a split second sooner. Again I disagree that was intercepted that guy landed out of bounds.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
If you are lucky enough to draft a true franchise QB, yes that player can *help* you transform from 0-16 to a SB champion. It's obviously not going to happen in one year but I don't believe anyone that would support drafting Lawrence is delusional enough to think it would happen in one season.
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
I think Slayton (I think it was Slayton) was the only receiver over there, so he had to throw it near him. No one was near the sideline, so just chucking it out there could have been grounding since he was in the pocket. He tried to throw it over Slayton out of bounds, but seemed to get hit when he did (which caused the ball to not get there)
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
The problem is that refs are being taught to let turnovers play out because they get reviewed anyways. So if there is any question at all in their minds, they call it a turnover on the field. Then there has to be enough evidence to slap them in the face to overturn. On this play, his elbow was absolutely out of bounds. If the ref had called it incomplete on the field it would never had been overturned. So the call on the field stays but the problem is, they are taught to call it a turnover if there is a question in real time. Putting the turnover ruling at an immense advantage. They didn’t follow that protocol last week though...
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Your post is crap. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to post? This isn't YOUR house. And there are different ways one can be a fan.
For example some of us are disgusted/ashamed over the years how this team has been performing and are hoping for change. Posters like you who just want to be cheerleaders disgust us pretty mightily.
Many of us have ben right since 2018 that we have a clown-of-a-GM. Yet we're supposed to shut up and let cheerleaders like you have the only voice?
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
Because it was awful attempt to throw it away. And by the way,-- it was called an interception. The Giants lost possession. He could've thrown it to the ground. To the sideline. Instead he stupidly tries to throw out of the end zone while he is falling back with someone in his face.
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
If anyone has an agenda it’s you this is just a massive reach of a post.
A. Where did I talk about at all what correlates to wins? I talked about how the win should feel and it doesn’t feel good to watch a team control the ball and methodically march it down the field against our only competent unit
B. While some people get their panties in a twist about me trying to stop someone acting in low integrity be my guest. But I will unapologetically curb shitty behaviors in whatever ways I can. When someone wants to follow you around just spouting hate and bullshit I’m going to try as many different ways to curb it as possible. And again, the only reason my credentials ever came into question was I was told the things I was clearly seeing about the Giants weaknesses before many on this board I couldn’t possibly know. And as you can see it’s people like you continue to bring it up despite the fact that what I’ve said has proven to be quite accurate
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
The Jets are getting the #1 pick regardless of what we do. I looked at their schedule and they will be lucky to avoid 0-16
RE: RE: This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence
I agree with this. The GIants were always going to play hard for a first year coach in Joe Judge and get maybe 3-5 wins. The Jets quit on Adam Gase in preseason and most likely are going 0-16 having traded, released or placed all their good players on IR
Let's see. A poster sent in their resume to the site owner and threatened slander. Clueless that one can't slander an anonymous person.
Yet, this poster with high integrity" went on LinkedIn to question the credentials of Tyseer Siam, used his actual name here, and repeatedly said the guy in unqualified.
The irony is so rich there. With that poster of such high integrity.
Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing
is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season
RE: Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing
is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season
Well said. I’ll add to that develop talent. I’d like to see if Judge and Co. can develop the drafted players. I think that’s been sorely lacking over the past two regimes and probably back into Coughlin’s early 2010s. Maybe the luck changes with this regime.
I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
I think there is something wrong with ever tanking, that is from a fan and player perspective. AS a player, tanking gets people hurt. As a fan, it just adds to misery.
turned what would have been a terrible loss into a win. That and Riverboat Ron who had a good game until that two point conversion. Although, I thought "Oh shit" when I heard they were going for two.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
The excuse you are making is excusing the fact DJones executed terribly his throwaway.
You understand what a throwaway is, right?
He could've thrown the ball sidelines. He could have buried the ball in the ground.
Instead he threw high pop which allowed the refs to make a decision. How is that you can't understand this?
I get it that we won. But you understand that this is a discussion board, right? And it's okay even after wins to point out mistakes b our team, right?
How is backpedaling with someone in your face resulting in throwing up a high pop while forcing the refs to decide rather than throwing it to the sidelines or bury the ball in the ground a smart play? You're "excusing" it by saying we won and/or the refs blew it. But it was still a combination of horribly executed and stupid to throw it out of the end zone instead of sidlelines or to the ground.
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
Everybody is looking at his elbow on that int... It wasn't his elbow that came down first, if you watch carefully it was his forearm/wrist, and it was clearly in bounds.
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
Wish there was a site that tracked this stuff, but I'm guessing teams have used less stacked boxes with Barkley out. Probably fewer run blitzes as well. But that's conjecture on my part.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
LOL
"Hey let's try to lose all of our games so that the Jets don't get the number one piclk!"
see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
It can still be a bad decision/bad execution and an erroneous call by the refs that tangibly hurt us. The two are not mutually exclusive and I am not completely sure (although a I have strong suspicions) why some people can't understand that.
I dont get going for two, but they got the stop and I will take the win.
Seriously? Any win is big for this group.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
How can you look in the mirror every morning? I’d kill myself
You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.
I dont get going for two, but they got the stop and I will take the win.
I'll bet Snyder isn't happy about it.
LMAO
NFC east is so trash, especially with Dak out, can still make some noise
yes I see it like this too
thanks Ron
This.
Not pretty at all, but have to start somewhere...
Washington wins by losing. Just like last year. Their fans are rightfully thrilled.
I feel bad for all your family members. I pray you don’t have any kids
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Suck. What a terrible win
You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.
Shouldn’t have pressed send on that. A win is a win. Just hard to get excited about that garbage. Go Giants
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I feel bad for all your family members. I pray you don’t have any kids
dude WTF is your problem....you love personal attacks
Go Giants!
Then when they do lose more, they complain.
There's a pattern here.
So...hooray, I guess.
Now hopefully with the no win stigma behind us we can hopefully build on it a bit.
HAHAHAHA!!
Then when they do lose more, they complain.
There's a pattern here.
Some people are not happy unless they are miserable. Reminds me of my mother in law...
So...hooray, I guess.
The fact that you're an admin speaks volumes this site.
Fuck off.
Jones once again had an absolutely awful turnover. Defense made a couple plays but gave up thagt final TD way too easily.
Jabrill Peppers has a C on his chest but I would be very happy if he were no longer a Giant come tomorrow. Guy hasn't done jack shit all year even today and then he does back flips coming off of that effort with a bad ankle? Remarkably dumb football player on a team filled with them he is at the top
2.) clock was at zeros for at least a second on the last WAS TD. Should’ve been called.
3.) prob won’t happen, but I’d love to see a Barkley-Freeman 1-2 punch in the backfield next season. I’m sure it’d be too expensive for 2 feature backs.
The Good
-defense made some plays during the game
- judge gets his first win
The Bad
-offense continues to struggle as is Jones. If we’re being honest with ourselves, Allen outplayed him today.
-defense gave up a late TD and was bailed out by Ron
I don’t know what to think with this team, but it’s hard to believe there are more than 4 wins on this schedule right now. But maybe this sparks them. The offense is concerning.
They were never getting the first pick 🤡
Since the SF game the Giants have generally played better ball each week. The division sucks so next week can still be interesting. Whatever.
LOL!
This team is not good enough yet to win any way but "ugly".
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They were never getting the first pick 🤡
What was your old handle, dupe?
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You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.
It’s pretty much guaranteed that he does
Well, 2-14 and another Andrew Thomas with the fourth pick isn’t all that thrilling either.
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
From who? Jones?
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
+1
The offense is a fucking disaster.
The defense has its moments and I find that side of the ball somewhat encouraging but the negligent misuse of assets there have us lacking edge talent.
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From who? Jones?
It was an unfortunate pass for sure. Give him some credit for trying to throw it away but give him some criticism for being poor at it.
But, it was no interception.
Peart at this time is a better LT than Thomas whose technique is plain awful.
Thomas!!!
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
Since the SF game the Giants have generally played better ball each week. The division sucks so next week can still be interesting. Whatever.
Was this better football though? Kyle Allen went 31-42 for 280 and we let him march right down the field for a TD in crunch time. Let’s not even get into the offense
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the explanation on the INT
From who? Jones?
It was an unfortunate pass for sure. Give him some credit for trying to throw it away but give him some criticism for being poor at it.
But, it was no interception.
Perhaps it wasn't. However I cannot give a high round 1 draft pick credit for doing something as simple as throwing it away. I'm not asking for a TD in that situation, just play smarter and kick the FG.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
+1
At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.
I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.
I'm not a fan of the three man rush.
Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
"questioned."
If poor play can see Thomas benched, how long should the leash be for Jones? We're in the race here and should be trying to win games.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
BBI represents a cross section of losers who live for ‘misery loves company’ ...
Nope lol
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
Graham loves those 3 man rushes that never work. We are at week 6 and he still hasnt adjusted yet
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.
Don’t have a dvr so I can’t rewatch. It seemed like a throwaway under pressure to me.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?
There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
I don’t think anyone questions that. BUt it still doesn’t change the truth of what it was. I can understand why you would choose to discount that, but I think for many you can still criticize the decision while still recognizing the fact of it.
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
You mean with someone in his face as he is backpedalling- he is supposed to try to throw the ball towards the back on the end zone out of bounds instead of throwing it to sideline out of bounds or on the ground.
Fact is we don't know for sure- it looked like a throwaway - but it was also another incredibly stupid thing to do as he is backing up. You mean for all the football he has played in his life he is too stupid to realize that backing up and a guy in his face that it might not be a god idea to chuck it straight?
And who says you can’t be gracious?
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.
I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team
40% to be accurate.
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.
I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team
40% to be accurate.
I really think that Thursday’s game will be fascinating. And perhaps telling in one way or the other.
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂
Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’
Of course our teams were better than this team during the Superbowl seasons. However, I can recall fans here in the middle of the 2007 season giving up.
It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
This. I though he was trying to get rid of it. Got to put it out of play.
Yes!!!
I get the feeling some just want to excuse what you just posted though. Just unwilling to be critical of DJ in much manner.
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And it wasn't us.
So...hooray, I guess.
“Fuck off” is a tad strong but I have to say I’m kind of surprised by sarcasm from an admin after a much needed win. But we’re all a little frayed. Me personally, I’m celebrating a Giants win.
The fact that you're an admin speaks volumes this site.
Fuck off.
Peart should play LT and start giving Thomas reps at RT.
I wouldn’t think twice about taking Fields. He’s better than Jones. Lance is the question mark and id rather have Waddle or chase at 3 or 4
Worth a try.
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You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!
He was throwing it away. That was obvious in real time. It was defected that was obvious in real time as well. And that it was caught out of bounds was blatantly obvious.
His arm was hit on the throw. The ball came out like a wounded duck.
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Daniel Jones on the interception: “Trying to throw the ball away and didn’t get enough on it.”
This may be true. It's hard to tell but it looks like Slayton cuts in to pylon as opposed to back of end zone there. Curious what the all 22 will say there.
One can certainly questions Rivera's decision to go for 2 in that spot, especially given the ineptitude of the Giants' O.
But if you think ANY NFL HC with a 1-4 record (in the NFL East no less with a soft schedule in the next 4 or 5 games) is trying to lose just to get the top pick in the draft... I don't know what to tell you.
Head coaches and players play to win the game. (Hello!)
And I couldn’t agree with this more. Worst offensive talent in the league.
His elbow hit out of bounds and that isn’t hard to see. Obvious even in real time.
While I love finally seeing a win, and at home, I am not happy we barely squeaked by one of the few teams either as bad or worse than us. And they more lost that game with the decision to go for 2 than we won.
So, it's great that we won. But, I don't feel great about it.
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looked like his elbow barely hit in bounds
His elbow hit out of bounds and that isn’t hard to see. Obvious even in real time.
agreed, horrible call
I think he was throwing it away.
Somehow defensive scores don't count where you are from.
There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
Biggest issue I see is they may have blown the # 6 and 4 picks in consecutive drafts. Lombardi couldn’t win with that happening.
I disagree. He's trying to throw it out of the end zone.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
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His arm was hit on the throw. The ball came out like a wounded duck.
I am one of the biggest Jones defenders...that was a bad attempt at a throw away.
It floated like a duck and then turned into a spiral? Didn’t know Jones could defy physics
Suck it you miserable bastard
I’m sorry but Jason Garrett needs to really get this shit turned around. Jones threw 5 TDs the last time he faced these guys and now it’s a struggle for just 1. Outside of Jones’ rushing yards, they didn’t do jackshit on the ground again. Outside of the TD, the ball never goes down the field. Outside of the first play, Jones is never moved on passing plays.
While having ANY of the Giants TEs block Chase Young is submoronic, Jones has to get the ball out of the end zone if he’s throwing it away. Just has to get it done.
Special teams cost them points and the defense was pretty much shit outside of Bradberry and Ryan. Williams was okay. I like Jones more than most, but I’m going to be really pissed if the Jets or WASH gets Trevor Lawrence.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
He can’t stop these turnovers around the end zone no matter what he does...real killers.
Two, on the other hand, I thought the spot the WFT challenged should have been upheld. To me, it looked like his hip was down before the ball was extended. At the every least, it was not conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. If there wasn't enough to overturn the INT call earlier, then how was this replay conclusive enough?
Three, I still have a big problem with this D. The fumble for a TD was huge. But, they followed that up by allowing Washington to go right down the field for a TD. Every game has seen them give up at least 1 scoring drive in the second half of the 4th quarter.
That said, there were a lot of areas of improvement also. It was nice to see a running game starting to develop. Freeman is rounding into shape. It was also nice to see some designed runs and RPO for Jones. He had a big impact with his legs.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
INT bad call
Spot reversal good call
Get a better TV!
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.
You all suck...and you know who you are.
Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*
*If it's not Gettleman picking
I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!
I've rooted for the Yankees and Bruins to lose in the past. They did, and both became better teams because of it. While neither were bottom of the league bad, they made necessary changes to bring them back to prominence and become playoff contenders.
4 wins for NYG just keeps this cycle of suck going
With the whole new staff and system and Covid, you could argue this is his rookie year.
He is always trying to make something happen
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
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make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
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for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
While Freeman is more of a north-south runner, I think your second point is pertinent.
As I stated elsewhere, I just want that same consistency on the other review. To me, it seemed Allen's hip was down before he got the ball extended for the first. The replay was in no way conclusive, so how did they overturn the spot on the field?
On defense we need an edge and maybe another corner.
But I do think the lines are better. The offensive line is starting to minimize the plays were things get absolutely blown up. That has been a feature for years.
Obviously, if you get the chance to take Lawrence, you take him. But, I would prefer to see the team continue to improve and pick up a few wins along the way.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
Jones said he was throwing it away there. That elbow hit out of bounds you can see the way the turf rubber pops up. He hit out of bounds. He let Young get to close and he had to throw it away falling backwards and he did not get enough on it. If anything to kill him on he should have thrown it away a split second sooner. Again I disagree that was intercepted that guy landed out of bounds.
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But hell I say we just go fire Gettleman...
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
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Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
If you are lucky enough to draft a true franchise QB, yes that player can *help* you transform from 0-16 to a SB champion. It's obviously not going to happen in one year but I don't believe anyone that would support drafting Lawrence is delusional enough to think it would happen in one season.
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
I think Slayton (I think it was Slayton) was the only receiver over there, so he had to throw it near him. No one was near the sideline, so just chucking it out there could have been grounding since he was in the pocket. He tried to throw it over Slayton out of bounds, but seemed to get hit when he did (which caused the ball to not get there)
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
Really sucks for Jones to have that play overlook a solid day for him, bad decision either way.
It's a risky ploy, as Jones will be more and more exposed, but I like taking advantage of that skill in the short term...
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
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INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.
On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.
On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
The problem is that refs are being taught to let turnovers play out because they get reviewed anyways. So if there is any question at all in their minds, they call it a turnover on the field. Then there has to be enough evidence to slap them in the face to overturn. On this play, his elbow was absolutely out of bounds. If the ref had called it incomplete on the field it would never had been overturned. So the call on the field stays but the problem is, they are taught to call it a turnover if there is a question in real time. Putting the turnover ruling at an immense advantage. They didn’t follow that protocol last week though...
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Your post is crap. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to post? This isn't YOUR house. And there are different ways one can be a fan.
For example some of us are disgusted/ashamed over the years how this team has been performing and are hoping for change. Posters like you who just want to be cheerleaders disgust us pretty mightily.
Many of us have ben right since 2018 that we have a clown-of-a-GM. Yet we're supposed to shut up and let cheerleaders like you have the only voice?
The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo
Terrible job by refs on that play
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs
So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
Because it was awful attempt to throw it away. And by the way,-- it was called an interception. The Giants lost possession. He could've thrown it to the ground. To the sideline. Instead he stupidly tries to throw out of the end zone while he is falling back with someone in his face.
The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo
Terrible job by refs on that play
Your post is typical whiney post form fans always looking for excuses.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
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all the power to you.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?
Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
If anyone has an agenda it’s you this is just a massive reach of a post.
A. Where did I talk about at all what correlates to wins? I talked about how the win should feel and it doesn’t feel good to watch a team control the ball and methodically march it down the field against our only competent unit
B. While some people get their panties in a twist about me trying to stop someone acting in low integrity be my guest. But I will unapologetically curb shitty behaviors in whatever ways I can. When someone wants to follow you around just spouting hate and bullshit I’m going to try as many different ways to curb it as possible. And again, the only reason my credentials ever came into question was I was told the things I was clearly seeing about the Giants weaknesses before many on this board I couldn’t possibly know. And as you can see it’s people like you continue to bring it up despite the fact that what I’ve said has proven to be quite accurate
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all the power to you.
I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.
That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.
If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
The Jets are getting the #1 pick regardless of what we do. I looked at their schedule and they will be lucky to avoid 0-16
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Typical Giants luck
They were never getting the first pick 🤡
I agree with this. The GIants were always going to play hard for a first year coach in Joe Judge and get maybe 3-5 wins. The Jets quit on Adam Gase in preseason and most likely are going 0-16 having traded, released or placed all their good players on IR
@ Kansas City
New England
@ LA Chargers
Miami
Raiders
@ Seattle
@ LA Rams
Cleveland
@ New England
Maybe they get lucky and Cleveland lays an egg or they beat Miami at home, but they are staring at 0-16
Let's see. A poster sent in their resume to the site owner and threatened slander. Clueless that one can't slander an anonymous person.
Yet, this poster with high integrity" went on LinkedIn to question the credentials of Tyseer Siam, used his actual name here, and repeatedly said the guy in unqualified.
The irony is so rich there. With that poster of such high integrity.
Well said. I’ll add to that develop talent. I’d like to see if Judge and Co. can develop the drafted players. I think that’s been sorely lacking over the past two regimes and probably back into Coughlin’s early 2010s. Maybe the luck changes with this regime.
INT bad call
Spot reversal good call
Get a better TV!
Win Thursday any which way and I'll be ecstatic.
I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.
And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.
Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining
But thanks.
The excuse you are making is excusing the fact DJones executed terribly his throwaway.
You understand what a throwaway is, right?
He could've thrown the ball sidelines. He could have buried the ball in the ground.
Instead he threw high pop which allowed the refs to make a decision. How is that you can't understand this?
I get it that we won. But you understand that this is a discussion board, right? And it's okay even after wins to point out mistakes b our team, right?
How is backpedaling with someone in your face resulting in throwing up a high pop while forcing the refs to decide rather than throwing it to the sidelines or bury the ball in the ground a smart play? You're "excusing" it by saying we won and/or the refs blew it. But it was still a combination of horribly executed and stupid to throw it out of the end zone instead of sidlelines or to the ground.
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I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.
But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.
But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
Everybody is looking at his elbow on that int... It wasn't his elbow that came down first, if you watch carefully it was his forearm/wrist, and it was clearly in bounds.
Wish there was a site that tracked this stuff, but I'm guessing teams have used less stacked boxes with Barkley out. Probably fewer run blitzes as well. But that's conjecture on my part.
LOL
"Hey let's try to lose all of our games so that the Jets don't get the number one piclk!"
Yessireee...
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.
so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.
It can still be a bad decision/bad execution and an erroneous call by the refs that tangibly hurt us. The two are not mutually exclusive and I am not completely sure (although a I have strong suspicions) why some people can't understand that.