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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/18/2020 4:00 pm
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How can the Giants celebrate that win?  
US1 Giants : 10/18/2020 4:01 pm : link
awful football team.
yipppeee  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2020 4:03 pm : link
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Congrats to Joe Judge for winning his first NFL game as a HC  
Anakim : 10/18/2020 4:03 pm : link
Not the most decisive and satisfying win, but a win is a win
Thank you  
rocco8112 : 10/18/2020 4:03 pm : link
Ron Rivera

I dont get going for two, but they got the stop and I will take the win.
RE: How can the Giants celebrate that win?  
rocco8112 : 10/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15012671 US1 Giants said:
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awful football team.


Seriously? Any win is big for this group.

Some of the most miserable fans...  
EricJ : 10/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.
This organization and team  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
Suck. What a terrible win
RE: How can the Giants celebrate that win?  
Saquads26 : 10/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15012671 US1 Giants said:
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awful football team.


How can you look in the mirror every morning? I’d kill myself
Banks is funny  
bluesince56 : 10/18/2020 4:04 pm : link
On radio he said. Pepper doing is a double flip but can’t tackle
he probably figured  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
2 bad teams going into overtime. Who knows what could happen? - why not just try and win it now?
RE: This organization and team  
BigBlueJ : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15012709 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Suck. What a terrible win


You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.
Congrats to Joe Judge on his first win.  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
Great fourth quarter strategy to keep the offense on the bench.
I feel good for Joe Judge  
dpinzow : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
His first NFL win as a head coach
RE: Thank you  
Blue21 : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15012703 rocco8112 said:
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Ron Rivera

I dont get going for two, but they got the stop and I will take the win.



I'll bet Snyder isn't happy about it.
Rivera is an idiot  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
Redskins shut down the Giants why would you not play for overtime?
Ugly as sin  
dlauster : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
But it’s a win!
Happy for coach  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
Must feel good to get the monkey off your back
RE: Congrats to Joe Judge on his first win.  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15012720 bceagle05 said:
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Great fourth quarter strategy to keep the offense on the bench.


LMAO
...  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
Congrats judge

NFC east is so trash, especially with Dak out, can still make some noise
RE: Rivera is an idiot  
rocco8112 : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15012730 nygiants16 said:
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Redskins shut down the Giants why would you not play for overtime?


yes I see it like this too

thanks Ron
RE: I feel good for Joe Judge  
Del Shofner : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15012725 dpinzow said:
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His first NFL win as a head coach


This.

Not pretty at all, but have to start somewhere...
Redskins lost  
mphbullet36 : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
Giants did nothing to win outside of picking up a fumble
congrats to Joe Judge on his first win  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
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I was rooting for a loss  
Oscar : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
This win feels like a loss. I will be rooting for actual losses for the next ten games. Anything it takes. Franchise needs to be stripped down to the studs and rebuilt.

Washington wins by losing. Just like last year. Their fans are rightfully thrilled.
RE: This organization and team  
Saquads26 : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15012709 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Suck. What a terrible win


I feel bad for all your family members. I pray you don’t have any kids
RE: RE: This organization and team  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15012718 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 15012709 Ned In Atlanta said:


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Suck. What a terrible win



You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.


Shouldn’t have pressed send on that. A win is a win. Just hard to get excited about that garbage. Go Giants

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ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 4:06 pm : link
No doubt about that win.....
rocco  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
yeah, that's the call I would have made.
RE: RE: This organization and team  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15012748 Saquads26 said:
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Suck. What a terrible win



I feel bad for all your family members. I pray you don’t have any kids


dude WTF is your problem....you love personal attacks
Peary should be the LT  
GoDeep13 : 10/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
From now on. Looked MUCH better than Thomas.
Winning always feels good  
bluepepper : 10/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
even when you're 1-5 and you beat Kyle Allen. Now beat the Eagles Thursday!
For a fan base  
crick n NC : 10/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
Malnourished of wins some have a strange way of appreciating this win. I'm glad the Giants won, I'm happy for Joe Judge, I'm happy for the players who have continued to work their butts off even if they weren't getting the results they were hoping for.

Go Giants!
Yep  
Toth029 : 10/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
Fans are happy about losing.

Then when they do lose more, they complain.

There's a pattern here.
glad we  
Producer : 10/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
won.. i dont want my team to be on the historically bad list. but 2 wins should still give us a shot at Lawrence.
That was uglyyy  
Everyone Relax : 10/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
but as a Giants fan who the f is upset!?? Gtfo of here. Sometimes all a team needs is that first taste of victory to hit its stride. I don’t have any expectations of a playoff run here based on the roster, but I think this teams best football is ahead of them
Two incompetent offenses...only one could lose  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 10/18/2020 4:08 pm : link
And it wasn't us.

So...hooray, I guess.
Happy for Judge  
Devour the Day : 10/18/2020 4:09 pm : link
A win is a win. We will take it.
Now hopefully with the no win stigma behind us we can hopefully build on it a bit.
RE: Congrats to Joe Judge on his first win.  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15012720 bceagle05 said:
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Great fourth quarter strategy to keep the offense on the bench.


HAHAHAHA!!
...  
christian : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
The best development this off season was avoiding Ron Rivera as head coach.
RE: Yep  
EricJ : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15012763 Toth029 said:
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Fans are happy about losing.

Then when they do lose more, they complain.

There's a pattern here.


Some people are not happy unless they are miserable. Reminds me of my mother in law...
RE: Two incompetent offenses...only one could lose  
Amazinz : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15012768 Gary from The East End said:
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And it wasn't us.

So...hooray, I guess.


The fact that you're an admin speaks volumes this site.

Fuck off.
Judge  
MookGiants : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
is the only positive I see with this team going forward.

Jones once again had an absolutely awful turnover. Defense made a couple plays but gave up thagt final TD way too easily.

Jabrill Peppers has a C on his chest but I would be very happy if he were no longer a Giant come tomorrow. Guy hasn't done jack shit all year even today and then he does back flips coming off of that effort with a bad ankle? Remarkably dumb football player on a team filled with them he is at the top
This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
Typical Giants luck
Even good teams have ugly games  
edavisiii : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
The Pats lost today to Denver. Ugly game. Hey, for the 1st time in ages my Team the Giants won and my wife, mother and son's team, the Pats, Lost. Philly is really banged up, if we play well and they have an ugly game we have a shot. Congrats to Joe Judge. This team is a pass rusher and wr away from being competitive. They are getting better. Yes Washington sucks...but a win is a win!
Three things...  
Pete in CO : 10/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
1.) Congrats Coach. A win is a win ...especially for those who prepare all week!
2.) clock was at zeros for at least a second on the last WAS TD. Should’ve been called.
3.) prob won’t happen, but I’d love to see a Barkley-Freeman 1-2 punch in the backfield next season. I’m sure it’d be too expensive for 2 feature backs.
These guys needed a win.  
chiro56 : 10/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
The players and the coaches. They haven’t quit . So what appears as a fluke win is a result of making plays when they had to. Finally .
This team was never picking first..  
Sean : 10/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
So, I’m happy for Judge to get a win. The question is not Jones vs Lawrence, the question will be Jones vs the other available QB’s next April.
A win is a win  
lax counsel : 10/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
They weren’t going winless this year. The Rivera play call on the 2pt was head scratching as was the decision to go for it.

The Good
-defense made some plays during the game
- judge gets his first win


The Bad
-offense continues to struggle as is Jones. If we’re being honest with ourselves, Allen outplayed him today.
-defense gave up a late TD and was bailed out by Ron

I don’t know what to think with this team, but it’s hard to believe there are more than 4 wins on this schedule right now. But maybe this sparks them. The offense is concerning.
Congrats to Joe Judge  
Simms11 : 10/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
for getting his first win!
RE: This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence  
Saquads26 : 10/18/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15012786 GeofromNJ said:
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Typical Giants luck


They were never getting the first pick 🤡
Love “fans” wanting to go 0-16  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
For Lawrence.... sheesch
Hey it is a win and something to build on  
NY-Fan : 10/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
It wasn't the best performance but it matters. This team is going to take a while until it is competitive. There still is a lot to be done but they have to get a win to start move forward. Good for Judge.
Oh well  
NJ_GIANTS : 10/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
This bad year after year, but win enough to lose the #1 pick
Thank goodness for Washington  
D_Giants : 10/18/2020 4:12 pm : link
Ten wins in 3 years: 4 over Washington. Mara is slightly smarter than Snyder.
Some people are insufferable  
Chris684 : 10/18/2020 4:13 pm : link
Our new HC just notched his first win. We were 0-5 heading in so who really cares about the circumstances?

Since the SF game the Giants have generally played better ball each week. The division sucks so next week can still be interesting. Whatever.
I’d really love to hear  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 4:13 pm : link
the explanation on the INT
Garbage team ekes out gift win against other garbage team  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2020 4:13 pm : link
Huzzah!
RE: Congrats to Joe Judge on his first win.  
BlueVinnie : 10/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15012720 bceagle05 said:
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Great fourth quarter strategy to keep the offense on the bench.

LOL!
A win is a win  
Jim in Tampa : 10/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
I'll take it.

This team is not good enough yet to win any way but "ugly".
RE: RE: This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15012794 Saquads26 said:
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Typical Giants luck



They were never getting the first pick 🤡


What was your old handle, dupe?
RE: RE: This organization and team  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15012718 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 15012709 Ned In Atlanta said:


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Suck. What a terrible win



You as a fan suck, please root for someone else.

It’s pretty much guaranteed that he does
RE: Love “fans” wanting to go 0-16  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15012795 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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For Lawrence.... sheesch

Well, 2-14 and another Andrew Thomas with the fourth pick isn’t all that thrilling either.
Banks called this  
US1 Giants : 10/18/2020 4:15 pm : link
a "Painful Win"
Some  
AcidTest : 10/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
thoughts:

At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.

I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.

I'm not a fan of the three man rush.

Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.
RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
joeinpa : 10/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15012707 EricJ said:
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.


I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂

Good way to set yourself up for disappointment
RE: I’d really love to hear  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15012804 ryanmkeane said:
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the explanation on the INT


From who? Jones?
Derrick Henry is a beast  
jeff57 : 10/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
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Wash  
XBRONX : 10/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
coach smart, playing for Trevor.
RE: Some  
Giantfan21 : 10/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15012824 AcidTest said:
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thoughts:

At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.

I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.

I'm not a fan of the three man rush.

Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.


+1
Andrews was back at left tackle later in the game  
US1 Giants : 10/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
why? injury? disaplin?

Wins mean nothing to me this season as a fan  
Kyle_ : 10/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
I want to see the team improve and show signs of an upward trajectory. If that's 1-15 with fluke last second losses or 7-9 with fluke wins against third string QBs, whatever. What are we putting on tape? Are we improving? Are we playing poorly?

The offense is a fucking disaster.

The defense has its moments and I find that side of the ball somewhat encouraging but the negligent misuse of assets there have us lacking edge talent.
RE: RE: I’d really love to hear  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15012830 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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the explanation on the INT



From who? Jones?

It was an unfortunate pass for sure. Give him some credit for trying to throw it away but give him some criticism for being poor at it.

But, it was no interception.
Happy for Judge and the Giants  
Rick in Dallas : 10/18/2020 4:19 pm : link
Officiating was awful. Interception was out of bounds and the play clock if official was at zero on TD pass
Peart at this time is a better LT than Thomas whose technique is plain awful.
RE: Andrews was back at left tackle later in the game  
US1 Giants : 10/18/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15012844 US1 Giants said:
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why? injury? disaplin?


Thomas!!!
So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.
RE: Some people are insufferable  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2020 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15012802 Chris684 said:
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Our new HC just notched his first win. We were 0-5 heading in so who really cares about the circumstances?

Since the SF game the Giants have generally played better ball each week. The division sucks so next week can still be interesting. Whatever.


Was this better football though? Kyle Allen went 31-42 for 280 and we let him march right down the field for a TD in crunch time. Let’s not even get into the offense
RE: RE: RE: I’d really love to hear  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2020 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15012846 Bill L said:
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the explanation on the INT



From who? Jones?


It was an unfortunate pass for sure. Give him some credit for trying to throw it away but give him some criticism for being poor at it.

But, it was no interception.


Perhaps it wasn't. However I cannot give a high round 1 draft pick credit for doing something as simple as throwing it away. I'm not asking for a TD in that situation, just play smarter and kick the FG.
RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15012857 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.


+1
RE: Some  
AcidTest : 10/18/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15012824 AcidTest said:
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thoughts:

At least for the rest of the season, we should go with Peart at LT. I also want to see Lemieux for Zeitler at some point.

I thought Jones played very well considering he had almost nothing to work with on offense. We don't win this game without his running. And his toughness cannot be question. The INT was because of pressure, but he still should have been able to throw it away. I thought it was OOB anyway. The defender's elbow hit the white line. Everett made a great play to try and stay in bounds but did not do so.

I'm not a fan of the three man rush.

Ryan played well despite the TD at the end. It was a great throw by Allen.


"questioned."
Happy for Joe Judge.  
RDJR : 10/18/2020 4:23 pm : link
Thank you Ron Rivera.
I'm glad for Judge  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 4:23 pm : link
He's getting what he can put of an awful roster.

If poor play can see Thomas benched, how long should the leash be for Jones? We're in the race here and should be trying to win games.
What an awful PI call in the  
Giantfan21 : 10/18/2020 4:24 pm : link
eagles/ravens game that just gave the eagles 40 yards to drive for the Tie . Officiating in the NFL is by far the worst in any major sports
are the Eagles really going to tie the Ravens?  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2020 4:24 pm : link
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RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15012857 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.


He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.
RE: Love “fans” wanting to go 0-16  
Spider56 : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15012795 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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For Lawrence.... sheesch


BBI represents a cross section of losers who live for ‘misery loves company’ ...
we  
broadbandz : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
win this game easy if the d cord brought pressure all game. Allen wilted every time.
RE: are the Eagles really going to tie the Ravens?  
Saquads26 : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15012880 Jints in Carolina said:
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Nope lol
RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15012885 glowrider said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.


It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.
RE: we  
Giantfan21 : 10/18/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15012894 broadbandz said:
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win this game easy if the d cord brought pressure all game. Allen wilted every time.


Graham loves those 3 man rushes that never work. We are at week 6 and he still hasnt adjusted yet
RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15012900 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.



It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.


There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
benching Jones is a good idea  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 4:32 pm : link
he was 75% of their offense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 4:32 pm : link
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.



It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.



There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.


Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:33 pm : link
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.



It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.



There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.



Also across his body. That ball went from the outside hashmark to the pylon. To me he's not throwing it away. He saw blue and wanted to give his guy a play, but I'm not clear that he saw the triple coverage in the area.


Don’t have a dvr so I can’t rewatch. It seemed like a throwaway under pressure to me.
RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
Scooter185 : 10/18/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15012707 EricJ said:
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.


Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*

*If it's not Gettleman picking
RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2020 4:35 pm : link
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.



It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.

Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?



There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2020 4:35 pm : link
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.



It's not a tough throw. Launch it six rows into the stands. What is he aiming for there by making it even remotely catchable.

Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?



There was a defender in his lap bc of blown protection. I agree launch it, but he was backfoot and under pressure.



Was it 4th down? Would a sack taken them out of FG range?
Almost forgot  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 4:37 pm : link
Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.
3rd down  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 4:37 pm : link
sack would still have FG within 35 yards or so
How can you be happy with this win??  
prdave73 : 10/18/2020 4:39 pm : link
Washington gave up the game probably for the 1st rd choice in the draft lol Can you make it anymore blatant??! No coach would have gone for 2?! Complete joke...
Terps - QB is the one position  
Dave on the UWS : 10/18/2020 4:39 pm : link
you really can’t go back and forth on. If they pull the plug on Jones, they really can’t go back to him. However, I can see it happening later in the season.
It was 1st and goal from the 7  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:40 pm : link
According to nfl.com. Still think throwaway is appropriate, and wasn’t executed as intended.
RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15012857 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.

I don’t think anyone questions that. BUt it still doesn’t change the truth of what it was. I can understand why you would choose to discount that, but I think for many you can still criticize the decision while still recognizing the fact of it.
A lot of fans still haven't realized just  
eclipz928 : 10/18/2020 4:41 pm : link
how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.

There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
RE: RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15012885 glowrider said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.



He should’ve eaten a sack? Throw away wasn’t the problem, it was a good decision. Tough throw, bad luck in the call. But the decision seemed fine.


You mean with someone in his face as he is backpedalling- he is supposed to try to throw the ball towards the back on the end zone out of bounds instead of throwing it to sideline out of bounds or on the ground.

Fact is we don't know for sure- it looked like a throwaway - but it was also another incredibly stupid thing to do as he is backing up. You mean for all the football he has played in his life he is too stupid to realize that backing up and a guy in his face that it might not be a god idea to chuck it straight?
Judge just said  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 4:43 pm : link
Thomas violated a team policy
RE: Almost forgot  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15012937 Go Terps said:
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.

And who says you can’t be gracious?
Thomas benched for disciplinary reasons  
jeff57 : 10/18/2020 4:44 pm : link
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RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
D_Giants : 10/18/2020 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15012828 joeinpa said:
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂

Good way to set yourself up for disappointment


Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.
Cant rewatch the play myself. I’m sure someone can  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:45 pm : link
And will be able to see if he actually could have thrown to sideline. I defer to dvrs but it didn’t strike me as a decision issue.
RE: RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:46 pm : link
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂

Good way to set yourself up for disappointment



Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.

They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).
RE: Almost forgot  
mphbullet36 : 10/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15012937 Go Terps said:
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.


I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team
RE: A lot of fans still haven't realized just  
Scooter185 : 10/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15012948 eclipz928 said:
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how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.

There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.


+1
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
D_Giants : 10/18/2020 4:48 pm : link
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂

Good way to set yourself up for disappointment



Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.


They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).


SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’
RE: RE: Almost forgot  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15012987 mphbullet36 said:
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.



I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team


40% to be accurate.
Considering “fans” is a misnomer  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:50 pm : link
I have a decent idea.
RE: RE: RE: Almost forgot  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:51 pm : link
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Congrats to Gettleman for finally getting to 10 wins.



I feel like half of them are against the hapless washington football team



40% to be accurate.


I really think that Thursday’s game will be fascinating. And perhaps telling in one way or the other.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
EricJ : 10/18/2020 4:53 pm : link
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



I just looked there. Unbelievable, how anyone can put as their main concern in week 6 with the # 1 pick 😂

Good way to set yourself up for disappointment



Giants fans ARE miserable. We have been watching miserable football for the better part of a decade. Our team sucks and it has been sucking for some time. It is astounding how ownership could be this clueless. At 1-5, with our only win against a 1-4 team (that we have a ‘right’ to beat, lol) we will be lucky to go 3-13. These years are worse than the 60s and 70s. Winning %s keep dropping 5-11, 4-12. Wishing they were good doen’t alter the reality that G-Man has created.


They were miserable in the SB winning season. It absolutely is a bad team (currently) and their fans are worse (perpetually).



SB years were not like this. I dont know how you compare who is ‘worse.’


Of course our teams were better than this team during the Superbowl seasons. However, I can recall fans here in the middle of the 2007 season giving up.
The INT  
Spider43 : 10/18/2020 4:55 pm : link
DJ was just getting rid of the ball, IMHO. The problem on that particular play, aside from the bad mechanics (throwing off balance and off his back foot), is his arm strength. So he's got to be even more careful than your average QB out there.
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David Dooley : 10/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
I’m confused why you guys were so angry at the guy saying the team and organization both suck. The team and organization have been pathetic for well over 7 years now. Just because we are Giants fans doesn’t mean we have to blindly view the status of the team and organization. It’s bad, really bad. That’s the reality.
RE: So much talk about the interception being a bad call  
fuzzy : 10/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15012857 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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the issue is the decision to throw that, not the resulting call.

It should never have been put in the hands of the referee to decide.


This. I though he was trying to get rid of it. Got to put it out of play.
If nothing else this gets me pumped for Thursday  
Blue Dream : 10/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
Very winnable. Just don't let Boston Scott beat you
RE: The INT  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15013021 Spider43 said:
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DJ was just getting rid of the ball, IMHO. The problem on that particular play, aside from the bad mechanics (throwing off balance and off his back foot), is his arm strength. So he's got to be even more careful than your average QB out there.


Yes!!!

I get the feeling some just want to excuse what you just posted though. Just unwilling to be critical of DJ in much manner.
Gotta start evaluating Jones to Trey Lance and Fields until the NYG  
The_Boss : 10/18/2020 5:00 pm : link
lose themselves back into the TL race (which can still happen). It's becoming more evident by the week that Jones probably isnt't the guy moving forward.
RE: RE: Two incompetent offenses...only one could lose  
PepperJ52 : 10/18/2020 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15012778 Amazinz said:
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And it wasn't us.

So...hooray, I guess.

“Fuck off” is a tad strong but I have to say I’m kind of surprised by sarcasm from an admin after a much needed win. But we’re all a little frayed. Me personally, I’m celebrating a Giants win.



The fact that you're an admin speaks volumes this site.

Fuck off.
RE: Peary should be the LT  
Giant4Life : 10/18/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15012758 GoDeep13 said:
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From now on. Looked MUCH better than Thomas.

Peart should play LT and start giving Thomas reps at RT.
On the Washington failed 2 point conversion  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2020 5:04 pm : link
Blake Martinez wisely ran into receiver Antonio Gibson and knocked him down. I think Gibson was Allen's target, but because he was in front of Martinez and not five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, the knockdown was legal.
RE: Gotta start evaluating Jones to Trey Lance and Fields until the NYG  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15013039 The_Boss said:
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lose themselves back into the TL race (which can still happen). It's becoming more evident by the week that Jones probably isnt't the guy moving forward.


I wouldn’t think twice about taking Fields. He’s better than Jones. Lance is the question mark and id rather have Waddle or chase at 3 or 4
Congrats to the Judge!  
trueblueinpw : 10/18/2020 5:06 pm : link
You never forget your first win as a head coach or your first win in the NFL. If there’s anything to be optimistic about with the Giants it’s the possibility that Judge might be a legit HC.
Don’t understand the criticism of Jones on the interception  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:09 pm : link
He was throwing it away, Chase Young hit him as he threw (go look at the replay) and the interception was caught out of bounds. But Jones is the problem. Got it.
It’s a win but Giants should try to petition the league office  
LBH15 : 10/18/2020 5:12 pm : link
to not have it count against us with respect to draft position.

Worth a try.
RE: Don’t understand the criticism of Jones on the interception  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15013071 BillT said:
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He was throwing it away, Chase Young hit him as he threw (go look at the replay) and the interception was caught out of bounds. But Jones is the problem. Got it.



I don't think that's a throwaway at all  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 5:13 pm : link
He was trying for Slayton.
his arm doesn't get hit  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 5:15 pm : link
that ball is clearly heading out of bounds
RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
jvm52106 : 10/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15012932 Scooter185 said:
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*

*If it's not Gettleman picking


I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!
RE: I don't think that's a throwaway at all  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15013083 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was trying for Slayton.

He was throwing it away. That was obvious in real time. It was defected that was obvious in real time as well. And that it was caught out of bounds was blatantly obvious.
Come on bill. That ball's not deflected.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 5:17 pm : link
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RE: Come on bill. That ball's not deflected.  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15013094 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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His arm was hit on the throw. The ball came out like a wounded duck.
What 'obvious deflected ball' spirals like a clean pass  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
Congrats to Judge.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
But this is still an awful, awful football team devoid of talent all over the roster.
That’s the last 10% of the throw  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
It floated like it was full of helium.
Jones  
Professor Falken : 10/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
Paul Schwartz
@NYPost_Schwartz
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5m
Daniel Jones on the interception: “Trying to throw the ball away and didn’t get enough on it.”
RE: I don't think that's a throwaway at all  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15013083 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was trying for Slayton.


This may be true. It's hard to tell but it looks like Slayton cuts in to pylon as opposed to back of end zone there. Curious what the all 22 will say there.
RE: How can you be happy with this win??  
Jim in Tampa : 10/18/2020 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15012941 prdave73 said:
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Washington gave up the game probably for the 1st rd choice in the draft lol Can you make it anymore blatant??! No coach would have gone for 2?! Complete joke...

One can certainly questions Rivera's decision to go for 2 in that spot, especially given the ineptitude of the Giants' O.

But if you think ANY NFL HC with a 1-4 record (in the NFL East no less with a soft schedule in the next 4 or 5 games) is trying to lose just to get the top pick in the draft... I don't know what to tell you.

Head coaches and players play to win the game. (Hello!)
re: the int  
bc4life : 10/18/2020 5:22 pm : link
looked like his elbow barely hit in bounds
RE: Congrats to Judge.  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15013102 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But this is still an awful, awful football team devoid of talent all over the roster.

And I couldn’t agree with this more. Worst offensive talent in the league.
RE: re: the int  
BillT : 10/18/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15013114 bc4life said:
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looked like his elbow barely hit in bounds

His elbow hit out of bounds and that isn’t hard to see. Obvious even in real time.
Look, a win is a win  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 5:30 pm : link
I am happy for the team and for Judge. In Judge and his staff, I truly believe we have a solid base to move forward. That said, this is still a terrible team and difficult to watch.

While I love finally seeing a win, and at home, I am not happy we barely squeaked by one of the few teams either as bad or worse than us. And they more lost that game with the decision to go for 2 than we won.

So, it's great that we won. But, I don't feel great about it.
RE: RE: re: the int  
uther99 : 10/18/2020 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15013120 BillT said:
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looked like his elbow barely hit in bounds


His elbow hit out of bounds and that isn’t hard to see. Obvious even in real time.


agreed, horrible call
RE: I don't think that's a throwaway at all  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15013083 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was trying for Slayton.


I think he was throwing it away.
RE: Redskins lost  
Red Right Hand : 10/18/2020 5:43 pm : link
In comment 15012744 mphbullet36 said:
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Giants did nothing to win outside of picking up a fumble
And what was it they needed to do outside of picking up a fumble to win? Your wrong BTW, they outscored the WFT.Thats what they did to win. You can pretend they didnt, but they did.

Somehow defensive scores don't count where you are from.
RE: A lot of fans still haven't realized just  
Red Right Hand : 10/18/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15012948 eclipz928 said:
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how bad this team is. The #1 pick next year was viable because these two games against Washington are realistically the only games they could be expected to win.

There's a strong possibility that we may come back in 10 weeks from now and find that stopping that 2 point conversion cost this team the #1 pick in the draft.
What a fucking drip, and what a morbid mindset, but at least it must be comforting to know you have your spring draft bitching all planned out. Nice to be prepared!!!
Biggest positive of the day: Matt Peart  
BigBlueNH : 10/18/2020 5:51 pm : link
playing a competent LT against a strong front. Regardless of what happens with Thomas, having Peart as a reliable starter on this line for the foreseeable future would be huge.
Eric- I already have you credit  
Dave on the UWS : 10/18/2020 5:54 pm : link
earlier, no gloating for your prescience.
Biggest issue I see is they may have blown the # 6 and 4 picks in consecutive drafts. Lombardi couldn’t win with that happening.
RE: I don't think that's a throwaway at all  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 10/18/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15013083 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was trying for Slayton.


I disagree. He's trying to throw it out of the end zone.
What a stupid debate this is  
LG in NYC : 10/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs

So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
RE: RE: Come on bill. That ball's not deflected.  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15013098 BillT said:
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His arm was hit on the throw. The ball came out like a wounded duck.


I am one of the biggest Jones defenders...that was a bad attempt at a throw away.
RE: That’s the last 10% of the throw  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15013106 BillT said:
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It floated like it was full of helium.


It floated like a duck and then turned into a spiral? Didn’t know Jones could defy physics
RE: How can the Giants celebrate that win?  
uconngiant : 10/18/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15012671 US1 Giants said:
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awful football team.


Suck it you miserable bastard
Enough with the “WASH lost more than Giants won” bullshit.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2020 6:20 pm : link
They got a horrendous call on their interception and the clock was at 00 for two seconds on their TD.

I’m sorry but Jason Garrett needs to really get this shit turned around. Jones threw 5 TDs the last time he faced these guys and now it’s a struggle for just 1. Outside of Jones’ rushing yards, they didn’t do jackshit on the ground again. Outside of the TD, the ball never goes down the field. Outside of the first play, Jones is never moved on passing plays.

While having ANY of the Giants TEs block Chase Young is submoronic, Jones has to get the ball out of the end zone if he’s throwing it away. Just has to get it done.

Special teams cost them points and the defense was pretty much shit outside of Bradberry and Ryan. Williams was okay. I like Jones more than most, but I’m going to be really pissed if the Jets or WASH gets Trevor Lawrence.
If people want to be happy about this win  
NoGainDayne : 10/18/2020 6:22 pm : link
all the power to you.

I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.

That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.

If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though
I give Jones credit for playing with this awful offense but  
LBH15 : 10/18/2020 6:23 pm : link
would like to see him process a bit faster. Fairly sure that was a throw away but he could have taken off left with his feet, or thrown it a second earlier to avoid the pressure.

He can’t stop these turnovers around the end zone no matter what he does...real killers.
A few other things  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 6:28 pm : link
One, I thought it was a good call on the INT. Live, it looked good. Replay, to me, was inconclusive. That was a costly and stupid turnover from Jones. For me, I don't want to hear about what a clean game he played except for that play, because that play was almost the game for them. If it was an isolated play, that's one thing. But, it is becoming a problematic trend.

Two, on the other hand, I thought the spot the WFT challenged should have been upheld. To me, it looked like his hip was down before the ball was extended. At the every least, it was not conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. If there wasn't enough to overturn the INT call earlier, then how was this replay conclusive enough?
Three, I still have a big problem with this D. The fumble for a TD was huge. But, they followed that up by allowing Washington to go right down the field for a TD. Every game has seen them give up at least 1 scoring drive in the second half of the 4th quarter.

That said, there were a lot of areas of improvement also. It was nice to see a running game starting to develop. Freeman is rounding into shape. It was also nice to see some designed runs and RPO for Jones. He had a big impact with his legs.

RE: If people want to be happy about this win  
The_Boss : 10/18/2020 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15013286 NoGainDayne said:
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all the power to you.

I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.

That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.

If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though


Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.
Matt M  
LG in NYC : 10/18/2020 6:31 pm : link
You are wrong on both

INT bad call

Spot reversal good call

Get a better TV!
RE: RE: RE: Some of the most miserable fans...  
Scooter185 : 10/18/2020 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15013091 jvm52106 said:
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showing up in the game thread. Rooting for a loss this early in the season.

You all suck...and you know who you are.



Because winning 1-4 games is pointless mediocrity. Much better to be the worst in the league than it is to be meh. Meh breeds meh, at least being awful will get the team top talent in the draft*

*If it's not Gettleman picking



I don't feel that way. Rooting to lose is pathetic!


I've rooted for the Yankees and Bruins to lose in the past. They did, and both became better teams because of it. While neither were bottom of the league bad, they made necessary changes to bring them back to prominence and become playoff contenders.

4 wins for NYG just keeps this cycle of suck going
The issue with Jones is he doesn’t  
Dave on the UWS : 10/18/2020 6:33 pm : link
make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.
RE: The issue with Jones is he doesn’t  
cjac : 10/18/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15013310 Dave on the UWS said:
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make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.


With the whole new staff and system and Covid, you could argue this is his rookie year.
He definitely needs to make some decisions quicker  
LG in NYC : 10/18/2020 6:38 pm : link
But I definitely like his eyes downfield, aggressive attitude.

He is always trying to make something happen
Am I nuts  
JesseS : 10/18/2020 6:52 pm : link
for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?
RE: Am I nuts  
crick n NC : 10/18/2020 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15013355 JesseS said:
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for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?


I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.
Interested to see Sy’s  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 7:06 pm : link
review, from my untrained eye it seemed Gates and Hernandez had their best games of the season
RE: The issue with Jones is he doesn’t  
jvm52106 : 10/18/2020 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15013310 Dave on the UWS said:
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make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.


So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
Peart is a bomafide left tackle  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/18/2020 7:10 pm : link
Move Thomas to RT
RE: RE: The issue with Jones is he doesn’t  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15013389 jvm52106 said:
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make his decisions quickly enough. He needed to throw the ball in the stands a split second earlier. THAT is becoming common place. It’s decision making that makes or breaks QBs in the NFL . I have severe doubts at this point.



So he is supposed to lnow Smith will completely fail in pass pro... Come on guys. We have no WR's outside of a limping Slayton.
The point is on that play, it doesn't matter who the WRs are or who the OL is. There was nothing there and he needed to throw it away. So, he either made a bad attempt to throw that out of the end zone or an even worse decision and throw if he was trying to hit a WR. That ball needed to go over someone's head on the sideline, or well out of the end zone. A worst case scenario should have been tuck the ball.
RE: RE: Am I nuts  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2020 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15013379 crick n NC said:
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for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?



I am considering that perhaps the line may be blocking better, and or teams aren't selling out to stop the run without a legit threat in the backfield.


While Freeman is more of a north-south runner, I think your second point is pertinent.
Two things on the INT  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:17 pm : link
One, it was not deflected. Two, it was not clear that it was out of bounds. Personally, I thought he came down with his elbow a hair inside the end line. At best, it was questionable whether or not his elbow hit out of bounds. So, I have no problem with the review. As much as I would have liked to overturn the call, it wasn't conclusive.

As I stated elsewhere, I just want that same consistency on the other review. To me, it seemed Allen's hip was down before he got the ball extended for the first. The replay was in no way conclusive, so how did they overturn the spot on the field?
We aren't very good right now  
terptacular : 10/18/2020 7:19 pm : link
But we are getting better. We lack any real weapons on Offense. We will get Saquan back, but we need a WR threat.
On defense we need an edge and maybe another corner.

But I do think the lines are better. The offensive line is starting to minimize the plays were things get absolutely blown up. That has been a feature for years.

Obviously, if you get the chance to take Lawrence, you take him. But, I would prefer to see the team continue to improve and pick up a few wins along the way.
RE: What a stupid debate this is  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15013264 LG in NYC said:
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs

So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?
It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.
If You’re Rooting for 0-16  
Samiam : 10/18/2020 7:22 pm : link
Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.
RE: RE: What a stupid debate this is  
Johnny5 : 10/18/2020 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15013412 Matt M. said:
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs

So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?

It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.

Jones said he was throwing it away there. That elbow hit out of bounds you can see the way the turf rubber pops up. He hit out of bounds. He let Young get to close and he had to throw it away falling backwards and he did not get enough on it. If anything to kill him on he should have thrown it away a split second sooner. Again I disagree that was intercepted that guy landed out of bounds.
RE: Jones  
SGMen : 10/18/2020 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15013108 Professor Falken said:
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Paul Schwartz
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Daniel Jones on the interception: “Trying to throw the ball away and didn’t get enough on it.”
That is exactly what I thought: not enough mustard on it.
We’re expecting too much from this offense  
EdS56 : 10/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
We can’t block for shit. If we can’t block we can’t do anything else.
But hell I say we just go fire Gettleman...
RE: If You’re Rooting for 0-16  
Gman11 : 10/18/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15013417 Samiam said:
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Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.



Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.
That..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/18/2020 7:50 pm : link
INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.

On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
RE: RE: If You’re Rooting for 0-16  
BlueVinnie : 10/18/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15013468 Gman11 said:
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Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.




Anybody rooting for the team to lose should go root for another team. Like one guy that played well in college is going to transform the team from 0-16 to Super Bowl champions.


If you are lucky enough to draft a true franchise QB, yes that player can *help* you transform from 0-16 to a SB champion. It's obviously not going to happen in one year but I don't believe anyone that would support drafting Lawrence is delusional enough to think it would happen in one season.
RE: RE: What a stupid debate this is  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15013412 Matt M. said:
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs

So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?

It still i.s a bad decision. Why not throw it over someone's head along the sidelines? If you are throwing that out of the end zone, you don't do it falling backwards off your back foot and if you do, you damn well better get it out of the fucking end zone.


I think Slayton (I think it was Slayton) was the only receiver over there, so he had to throw it near him. No one was near the sideline, so just chucking it out there could have been grounding since he was in the pocket. He tried to throw it over Slayton out of bounds, but seemed to get hit when he did (which caused the ball to not get there)
I think the OL  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 8:02 pm : link
did a solid job all day against Washington’s front which is good. That should be a key takeaway from today
RE: If people want to be happy about this win  
BigBlueShock : 10/18/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15013286 NoGainDayne said:
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all the power to you.

I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.

That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.

If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though

For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?

Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.
I guess nothing surprises me with officials  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2020 8:07 pm : link
but I’m still genuinely shocked that they didn’t overturn that. It looked clear and obvious.

Really sucks for Jones to have that play overlook a solid day for him, bad decision either way.
One upside to Jones today...  
bw in dc : 10/18/2020 8:08 pm : link
was his running. Loved the designed runs.

It's a risky ploy, as Jones will be more and more exposed, but I like taking advantage of that skill in the short term...
RE: That..  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15013484 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.

On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.
I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.

On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.
RE: RE: That..  
BigBlueShock : 10/18/2020 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15013521 Matt M. said:
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INT being upheld on replay flies in the face of the exact reason that Crowder's INT was overturned a couple weeks ago.

On Crowder's, no evidence showed a ball actually hitting the ground while on the INT today, the elbow clearly hits out of bounds. Replay's inconsistency is simply maddening.

I disagree. I didn't think it was clear the his elbow landed in or out. Thus, do not overturn the call on the field. Last week was a whole other story. That call shouldn't have been overturned.

On the other hand, I thought the challenge should have failed. I don't think there was conclusive evidence that Allen got the ball extended prior to his hip hitting down.

The problem is that refs are being taught to let turnovers play out because they get reviewed anyways. So if there is any question at all in their minds, they call it a turnover on the field. Then there has to be enough evidence to slap them in the face to overturn. On this play, his elbow was absolutely out of bounds. If the ref had called it incomplete on the field it would never had been overturned. So the call on the field stays but the problem is, they are taught to call it a turnover if there is a question in real time. Putting the turnover ruling at an immense advantage. They didn’t follow that protocol last week though...
Matt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/18/2020 8:26 pm : link
I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.

But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
RE: If You’re Rooting for 0-16  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15013417 Samiam said:
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Or you’re rooting for the team to lose this early in the season. that’s your right and you can even call yourself a Giants fan. But, I don’t get why you feel the need to come on post on a Giants blog and be so public about it. Keep it to yourself. You all really sound like pathetic Jets fans. I remember a friend and his wife coming to my house for dinner and watch the Giants. The fucker knows I’m a die hard Giants fan living and dying with the team and he’s drinking my liquor and eating my food and loudly rooting against my team He was acting like a schmuck. Root for whoever you want or whatever you want but don’t come on BBI and spoil it for Giants fans who stick with the team through thick and thin. The problem is not where they draft but who does the drafting and and ownership must know by now a change is needed regardless of a few wins.


Your post is crap. Who the hell are you to tell someone how to post? This isn't YOUR house. And there are different ways one can be a fan.

For example some of us are disgusted/ashamed over the years how this team has been performing and are hoping for change. Posters like you who just want to be cheerleaders disgust us pretty mightily.

Many of us have ben right since 2018 that we have a clown-of-a-GM. Yet we're supposed to shut up and let cheerleaders like you have the only voice?
It was 100% not an INT  
LG in NYC : 10/18/2020 8:34 pm : link
It’s honestly not debatable

The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo

Terrible job by refs on that play
RE: What a stupid debate this is  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15013264 LG in NYC said:
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It’s obvious he was trying to throw it away. He said he was trying to throw it away.
He was rushed and falling backwards, made a bad throw in that it wasn’t far enough. Not a bad decision. And oh by the way, the defensive back was out of bounds. Bad job by refs

So outside of the bogus interception, what exactly are people upset about with Jones today?


Because it was awful attempt to throw it away. And by the way,-- it was called an interception. The Giants lost possession. He could've thrown it to the ground. To the sideline. Instead he stupidly tries to throw out of the end zone while he is falling back with someone in his face.
RE: It was 100% not an INT  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15013562 LG in NYC said:
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It’s honestly not debatable

The chalk came up when his elbow hit
It was chest in real time and even more so in slow mo

Terrible job by refs on that play


Your post is typical whiney post form fans always looking for excuses.
RE: Matt..  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15013548 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.

But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.
Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.

But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.
Giantsstock  
LG in NYC : 10/18/2020 8:44 pm : link
What excuse? We won the game

I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.

And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.

Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining

But thanks.
Did anyone notice  
crick n NC : 10/18/2020 8:51 pm : link
That Washington's play clock had expired by a full second on their last td? It seemed quite clear to me.
RE: RE: If people want to be happy about this win  
NoGainDayne : 10/18/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15013510 BigBlueShock said:
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all the power to you.

I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.

That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.

If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though


For a guy that loves to stick his chest out and proclaim himself to anyone that will listen that he’s an “analytics expert”, I’d think you’d know that in today’s NFL that time of possession couldn’t be any more meaningless. You’re seriously using TOP in this day and age?

Please don’t send your resume in to Eric again because I questioned your knowledge. He’s got better things to do.


If anyone has an agenda it’s you this is just a massive reach of a post.

A. Where did I talk about at all what correlates to wins? I talked about how the win should feel and it doesn’t feel good to watch a team control the ball and methodically march it down the field against our only competent unit

B. While some people get their panties in a twist about me trying to stop someone acting in low integrity be my guest. But I will unapologetically curb shitty behaviors in whatever ways I can. When someone wants to follow you around just spouting hate and bullshit I’m going to try as many different ways to curb it as possible. And again, the only reason my credentials ever came into question was I was told the things I was clearly seeing about the Giants weaknesses before many on this board I couldn’t possibly know. And as you can see it’s people like you continue to bring it up despite the fact that what I’ve said has proven to be quite accurate

B.
Time of Possession Analysis - ( New Window )
RE: RE: If people want to be happy about this win  
dpinzow : 10/18/2020 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15013301 The_Boss said:
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all the power to you.

I saw a team get completely owned on time of possession with the game on the line and a re-tread backup QB jam it down their throats in what should have tied the game up.

That’s not the kind of win I want to lose Trevor Lawrence for and the game last year wasn’t the kind of win I would lose out on Chase Young for.

If they can build on this great. I doubt they will though



Gotta hope the Redskins can at worst split with the Lions and Bengals the next 2 games for them. BUT most important, the Jets have to get a win somewhere along the way. This race isn't over yet. The NYG have to lose the next time they meet up in DC with this team though.


The Jets are getting the #1 pick regardless of what we do. I looked at their schedule and they will be lucky to avoid 0-16
RE: RE: This ugly game will cost the Giants Trevor Lawrence  
dpinzow : 10/18/2020 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15012794 Saquads26 said:
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Typical Giants luck



They were never getting the first pick 🤡


I agree with this. The GIants were always going to play hard for a first year coach in Joe Judge and get maybe 3-5 wins. The Jets quit on Adam Gase in preseason and most likely are going 0-16 having traded, released or placed all their good players on IR
Jets remaining schedule:  
dpinzow : 10/18/2020 9:39 pm : link
Buffalo
@ Kansas City
New England
@ LA Chargers
Miami
Raiders
@ Seattle
@ LA Rams
Cleveland
@ New England

Maybe they get lucky and Cleveland lays an egg or they beat Miami at home, but they are staring at 0-16
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/18/2020 9:40 pm : link
"low integrity"??

Let's see. A poster sent in their resume to the site owner and threatened slander. Clueless that one can't slander an anonymous person.

Yet, this poster with high integrity" went on LinkedIn to question the credentials of Tyseer Siam, used his actual name here, and repeatedly said the guy in unqualified.

The irony is so rich there. With that poster of such high integrity.
Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing  
dpinzow : 10/18/2020 9:45 pm : link
is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season
RE: Listen, now that we've won a game, I think the best thing  
lax counsel : 10/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15013642 dpinzow said:
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is to pull for them to win the next 2 or 3. If they're 1-7 or 1-8 after the next 2 or 3 games then we get the highest possible draft pick. The effort level is there, the talent level is not. I think we're on the right track with the coaching and competitiveness; we just need a GM who can properly evaluate talent so this rebuild can finally be accomplished. With the proper talent evaluation, you can go from being like this to competitive in one season


Well said. I’ll add to that develop talent. I’d like to see if Judge and Co. can develop the drafted players. I think that’s been sorely lacking over the past two regimes and probably back into Coughlin’s early 2010s. Maybe the luck changes with this regime.
I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2020 10:36 pm : link
Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15013692 GeofromNJ said:
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Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.
I think there is something wrong with ever tanking, that is from a fan and player perspective. AS a player, tanking gets people hurt. As a fan, it just adds to misery.
RE: Matt M  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15013304 LG in NYC said:
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You are wrong on both

INT bad call

Spot reversal good call

Get a better TV!
I may be wrong, but neither was clearcut either way.
A win?  
Jctony : 10/18/2020 11:07 pm : link
Whoever is a fan of this "win" is part of the participation trophy crowd.
That fumble recovery/TD  
St. Jimmy : 10/18/2020 11:16 pm : link
turned what would have been a terrible loss into a win. That and Riverboat Ron who had a good game until that two point conversion. Although, I thought "Oh shit" when I heard they were going for two.

Win Thursday any which way and I'll be ecstatic.
RE: Giantsstock  
giantstock : 10/19/2020 2:04 am : link
In comment 15013582 LG in NYC said:
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What excuse? We won the game

I’m highlighting that 1) it wasn’t about a bad decision but rather bad execution on a throwaway.

And 2) that it was a bad call by the refs which was painfully obvious to almost everybody.

Either way we won the game so I’m not really making any excuses not am I whining

But thanks.


The excuse you are making is excusing the fact DJones executed terribly his throwaway.

You understand what a throwaway is, right?

He could've thrown the ball sidelines. He could have buried the ball in the ground.

Instead he threw high pop which allowed the refs to make a decision. How is that you can't understand this?

I get it that we won. But you understand that this is a discussion board, right? And it's okay even after wins to point out mistakes b our team, right?

How is backpedaling with someone in your face resulting in throwing up a high pop while forcing the refs to decide rather than throwing it to the sidelines or bury the ball in the ground a smart play? You're "excusing" it by saying we won and/or the refs blew it. But it was still a combination of horribly executed and stupid to throw it out of the end zone instead of sidlelines or to the ground.
RE: RE: Matt..  
.McL. : 10/19/2020 3:36 am : link
In comment 15013567 Matt M. said:
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I don't know. We had 5 people in the room watching the game and they had a freeze-frame of the elbow hitting the white and each of us said it was going to be overturned. I thought it was really clear.

But my larger point is that the who conclusive criteria is applied inconsistently. There was no visual evidence to overturn Crowder's INT, but they did anyway. Even on the play you mentioned with Allen stretching the ball out, it looked like his butt or hip could have been down - and I was surprised it was overturned. But at least there was evidence the ball crossed the line.

Agree on the inconsistency. As for the INT, I thought he landed in on the live speed. Slow motion looked like it may have been on the line. Either way, I really don't think there was enough to overturn the call.

But, I agree 100% with Crowder's INT and the challenge today.

Everybody is looking at his elbow on that int... It wasn't his elbow that came down first, if you watch carefully it was his forearm/wrist, and it was clearly in bounds.
McL  
XBRONX : 10/19/2020 5:57 am : link
Guess you are not a member of "its the refs fault" crowd.
RE: Am I nuts  
giants#1 : 10/19/2020 7:22 am : link
In comment 15013355 JesseS said:
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for thinking Freeman simply runs smoother and picks better spots than Saquon does? Barkley's athleticism is off the charts, but Freeman is playing with the same team as Saquon and just looks better. Or maybe he's just better at making more of out of less?


Wish there was a site that tracked this stuff, but I'm guessing teams have used less stacked boxes with Barkley out. Probably fewer run blitzes as well. But that's conjecture on my part.
RE: I see nothing wrong with wanting the Giants to tank for Lawrence  
Bill L : 10/19/2020 7:36 am : link
In comment 15013692 GeofromNJ said:
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Fans who do this want the Giants to be contenders for years to come, not mediocre or average for years to come. And they also don't want either another NFC East team or the Jets to land a talent like Lawrence.


LOL

"Hey let's try to lose all of our games so that the Jets don't get the number one piclk!"

Yessireee...
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LG in NYC : 10/19/2020 7:40 am : link
see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.

I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.


so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.

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Bill L : 10/19/2020 7:51 am : link
In comment 15013821 LG in NYC said:
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see this is what happens when you come into a conversation mid way and try to be tough guy.

I was responding to posters who said JOnes made a bad decision trying to get the ball to Slayton. It wasn't a bad decision in that he was trying to complete a pass, it was bad execution on a throwaway.


so we agree... I am just not going to define the kids entire day by that one badly executed throwaway.


It can still be a bad decision/bad execution and an erroneous call by the refs that tangibly hurt us. The two are not mutually exclusive and I am not completely sure (although a I have strong suspicions) why some people can't understand that.
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