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Any thoughts on Matt Peart?

Jim from Katonah : 10/18/2020 4:15 pm
Only saw a few minutes of the game. How did he look?
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He didn’t make an impression  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
In a good way.
He looked better than Thomas  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
Which is both a pleasant surprise, and infuriating.
...  
broadbandz : 10/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
future hall of famer. Getty found one in the 3rd.
Looked good but needs a year in weight room.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
He isn't ready for this level quite yet.
He showed promise  
Dave on the UWS : 10/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
but too easily over powered. That being said, his fundamentals looked pretty good
He looked  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
Ready to me...
RE: He looked better than Thomas  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15012833 Greg from LI said:
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Which is both a pleasant surprise, and infuriating.


If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
RE: He looked  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15012854 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Ready to me...


Definitely better than AT did.
Wasn't perfect and had trouble a few times today, but it was his first  
Anakim : 10/18/2020 4:22 pm : link
game action. He did look better than Thomas
RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15012856 chopperhatch said:
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?


Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Peart’s technique way better than Thomas  
Rick in Dallas : 10/18/2020 4:23 pm : link
He needs time in the weight room to gain strength. He outplayed Thomas today who continued to look awful.
They have tried him for some snaps  
Giantimistic : 10/18/2020 4:26 pm : link
At right and today some snaps at left. I think they are trying to see which side they want him at long term. I love they are testing him out.

If they like the way he looked best at left, then I think you see him go there and Thomas to the right. At some point this season he will take a starting spot. They are just figuring out which side him and Thomas will be.
Please explain the weight room comments  
csb : 10/18/2020 4:26 pm : link
At no point did we see him overpowered. On top of that - he out-benched most OT’s (including Becton, Wirfs and Thomas) at the combine. I don’t know what he cleans, squats, etc; but it’s almost like people think because he’s a small conference guy that he needs to get into the weight room. Unless someone has some evidence as to why he’s undeveloped from a strength standpoint I’ll just assume you are all full of shit.
RE: He didn’t make an impression  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15012826 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In a good way.


Chase Young was his assignment, and Young did not make an impression. I'd say that is pretty good!
RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
WillVAB : 10/18/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15012869 Greg from LI said:
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.


Exactly.
RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
Saquads26 : 10/18/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15012869 Greg from LI said:
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.


So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?
I thought he showed good knee bend  
Everyone Relax : 10/18/2020 4:41 pm : link
And recover abil.....OH WAIT NONE OF KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE OL
RE: I thought he showed good knee bend  
Everyone Relax : 10/18/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15012949 Everyone Relax said:
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And recover abil.....OH WAIT NONE OF KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE OL

None of us**
Several OL experts  
GeoMan999 : 10/18/2020 4:43 pm : link
Thought that Peary would be better at LT than Thomas because of his athleticism.

You can view this as good news in that Thomas could play the easier RT position. Still too early to tell for sure though!!
Thought he looked much better  
beatrixkiddo : 10/18/2020 4:45 pm : link
than Thomas has most of the season. He has a huge frame, I think they may have something here if he adds some more muscle and weight. Really liked some of the work he did at the second level in the run game. Hope Thomas can get it together and isn't another Flowers, that is something we can least afford.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:47 pm : link
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.



Exactly.


Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.

Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
RE: He looked better than Thomas  
Spider43 : 10/18/2020 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15012833 Greg from LI said:
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Which is both a pleasant surprise, and infuriating.


What he said.
RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
Bill L : 10/18/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15012869 Greg from LI said:
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
They would have been crucified if they didn’t pick an OT with that pick. The question is did he pick the right one?
Bakhtiari was a 4th rounder  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:50 pm : link
And is considered one of thr best LTs in the game. Bryan Bulaga was a 1st and isnt on the Packers any more.

Its a wash if you ask me.
#4 overall dispatched to the bench ....  
Manny in CA : 10/18/2020 4:51 pm : link

By #99 overall; I'd say Gettleman & Co. laid an egg; so much for the "efficacy" (a popular word these days) of the description - "Most NFL Ready".

I do hope that Thomas turns out a good pick, but who was the best playmaker available at #4 ? I wanted Henry Ruggs, time will tell.
You're assuming an awful lot here  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2020 4:51 pm : link
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chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:52 pm : link
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.

They would have been crucified if they didn’t pick an OT with that pick. The question is did he pick the right one?


Literally everybody on draft day said he was the most pro ready. Shitty offseason, he is making rookie mistakes and has played some of the best lones in the league.
RE: You're assuming an awful lot here  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15013001 Greg from LI said:
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As are you. He played 6 games in a weird offseason when most thought hed be on the right side.

Chase Young was silent today. What else.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas  
WillVAB : 10/18/2020 4:55 pm : link
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.



Exactly.



Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.

Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.


What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.
Rome wasn't built in a day.  
section125 : 10/18/2020 4:57 pm : link
If Thomas becomes a good starting RT, it was a good pick. If Peart beats him to be starting LT, then it was a great draft and if Lemieux becomes even the 3rd guard on the team it was an outstanding draft.
Well, I have been calling for Peart to start for 3 weeks now  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
So, I am happy he started and played well. But, frankly, I have no idea how Felming retained his starting position with Thomas to the bench. Even if you want to see Peart at LT, move Thomas to RT. Fleming is by far the worst OL on a bad line. Frankly, if Peart works out at LT and Thomas plays well at LT, it isn't ideal and isn't how we thought, but that would still be OK with me. However, if Peart moves forward as the LT and Thomas does nothing, then we wasted another high draft pick. It is still way too early to tell.

Next up, when is Lemieux going to start at LG?
I keep seeing this  
mittenedman : 10/18/2020 5:10 pm : link
"Easily overpowered, needs a year in the weight room" stuff.

What guy are you looking at? Peart looked physically rock solid and held his ground much better than AT. Looked much more comfortable getting an early punch.

If anybody looks weak and not quite ready yet, it's AT, who is back-pedaling off the snap and giving too much ground before he makes contact still. I'll rewatch, but Peart also had some good run blocks too. He played stronger.
Don’t Know Where  
HugeS : 10/18/2020 5:11 pm : link
The he needs weight room strength hot take came from but Peart honestly looks bigger and stouter than Thomas out there. Struggles at the Senior Bowl? He stopped a couple bull rushes where Thomas has been getting bullied right into Jones’ lap repeatedly in recent games. More impressively he got some nice push in the running game. Really hope the coaching staff sees on tape all the plus plays he had over Thomas. Deserves a shot after today’s game.
Peart > Thomas  
M.S. : 10/18/2020 5:19 pm : link

By a lot.
RE: Please explain the weight room comments  
fireitup77 : 10/18/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15012890 csb said:
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At no point did we see him overpowered. On top of that - he out-benched most OT’s (including Becton, Wirfs and Thomas) at the combine. I don’t know what he cleans, squats, etc; but it’s almost like people think because he’s a small conference guy that he needs to get into the weight room. Unless someone has some evidence as to why he’s undeveloped from a strength standpoint I’ll just assume you are all full of shit.


+1.

I just rewatched the game. He got pushed back once. It was on the TD throw. Otherwise he played real well.

Thomas did too. He got beat on one run play . Otherwise he was very good.

I know there has been a lot of losing and people are negative because of it. But go back and watch it again. Both Peart and Thomas were good today.
If Peart and Thomas can start, in either combination of RT/LT  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 5:32 pm : link
than those picks were major successes.

I don't think it matters if Thomas plays RT.
He clearly was getting overpowered and struggling to anchor  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/18/2020 5:35 pm : link
I wonder what you were all looking at. He was getting pushed back in the run game. He was able to overcome it thought because his technique and feet were very good. Very good sign.
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chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 5:41 pm : link
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.



Exactly.



Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.

Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.



What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.


HE'S A ROOKIE WHO HAS STARTED 6 GAMES AS A ROOKIE WITH ALMOST ZERO OFFSEASON AND AGAINST 5 VERY FORMIDABLE LINES. Many assumed he would start at LT before Solder opted out.

Jesus Christ. And who said all pro?
Technique  
Aaroninma : 10/18/2020 6:04 pm : link
His technique is really good. Hes not strong enough, but he can make blocks. Hes going to be good.

Feet, Technique and brains are indicators of good OL, especially OT and he seems to jave it all. Power will come
People here largely suck at watching OL play.  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/18/2020 6:08 pm : link
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.

Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.

Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
He looked okay. A few bumps but he is the future at one  
LBH15 : 10/18/2020 6:12 pm : link
of the Tackle spots so start playing him more and more.
RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.  
chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15013248 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.

Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.

Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.


So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.
RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.  
fireitup77 : 10/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 15013248 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.

Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.

Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.


I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.

Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
Agree with those questioning Peart's strength.  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 6:31 pm : link
He did not look overpowered at all. I may not have wanted him to start at LT, but his play certainly warranted another look. I would keep him there, but I would also put Thomas at RT moving forward. I don't care who plays where if both play well at their respective positions.
Pearl/Thomas  
stretch234 : 10/18/2020 6:39 pm : link
On a team who has had major difficulty fixing the OL, if this draft produces the 2 tackles you can play with, that Is a major success regardless of who is where and where they were drafted. Just get better
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Zeke's Alibi : 10/18/2020 6:39 pm : link
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.

Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.

Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.



I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.

Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....


Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.
One play that sticks into my mind though was a run to th left  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/18/2020 6:41 pm : link
with Freeman that he cuts up he got blown two yards back off the ball. That shouldn't happen.
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JesseS : 10/18/2020 6:48 pm : link
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?



Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.



So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?


Who cares. If he busts, he busts. But there's lot in between busting and being an all-pro LT. People are incredibly binary in their world outlook. If he can play RT like Kareem McKenzie and anchor the right side of the line for a decade, that's a huge win.
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chopperhatch : 10/18/2020 6:55 pm : link
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.

Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.

Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.



I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.

Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....



Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.


Zeke, because he wasnt getting pushed back. Both times the Giants put him in (last week or week before at RT) he has looked more than solid and at times swallowing his assignment.

Peart has looked good albeit in limited action. But he has been powerful and plenty agile.
RE: RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/18/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15013266 chopperhatch said:
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So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.


Chopper you missed my point, that I was illustrating with just one play...

Where Peart failed miserably.

Too many here make snap judgements and generalizations based on a play or three, rather than studying the whole game play by play.

Thomas had at least one awesome run block from LT... I wonder how many people here thought that was still Peart? 74 vs 78, hard to keep track of who was in since they switched back and forth a bit.

Its a good sign (for Peart) that they inserted him at LT. Does anyone have the snap count data yet?

If we get two starting above average OTs out of this draft, that will be great.

Keep in mind Peart was a 4 year starter and is 23 years old. Thomas is 21, but should still be well ahead of Peart given the level of comp he faced as a 3 year starter.

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