If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
At right and today some snaps at left. I think they are trying to see which side they want him at long term. I love they are testing him out.
If they like the way he looked best at left, then I think you see him go there and Thomas to the right. At some point this season he will take a starting spot. They are just figuring out which side him and Thomas will be.
At no point did we see him overpowered. On top of that - he out-benched most OT’s (including Becton, Wirfs and Thomas) at the combine. I don’t know what he cleans, squats, etc; but it’s almost like people think because he’s a small conference guy that he needs to get into the weight room. Unless someone has some evidence as to why he’s undeveloped from a strength standpoint I’ll just assume you are all full of shit.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?
than Thomas has most of the season. He has a huge frame, I think they may have something here if he adds some more muscle and weight. Really liked some of the work he did at the second level in the run game. Hope Thomas can get it together and isn't another Flowers, that is something we can least afford.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
They would have been crucified if they didn’t pick an OT with that pick. The question is did he pick the right one?
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
They would have been crucified if they didn’t pick an OT with that pick. The question is did he pick the right one?
Literally everybody on draft day said he was the most pro ready. Shitty offseason, he is making rookie mistakes and has played some of the best lones in the league.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.
If Thomas becomes a good starting RT, it was a good pick. If Peart beats him to be starting LT, then it was a great draft and if Lemieux becomes even the 3rd guard on the team it was an outstanding draft.
Well, I have been calling for Peart to start for 3 weeks now
So, I am happy he started and played well. But, frankly, I have no idea how Felming retained his starting position with Thomas to the bench. Even if you want to see Peart at LT, move Thomas to RT. Fleming is by far the worst OL on a bad line. Frankly, if Peart works out at LT and Thomas plays well at LT, it isn't ideal and isn't how we thought, but that would still be OK with me. However, if Peart moves forward as the LT and Thomas does nothing, then we wasted another high draft pick. It is still way too early to tell.
"Easily overpowered, needs a year in the weight room" stuff.
What guy are you looking at? Peart looked physically rock solid and held his ground much better than AT. Looked much more comfortable getting an early punch.
If anybody looks weak and not quite ready yet, it's AT, who is back-pedaling off the snap and giving too much ground before he makes contact still. I'll rewatch, but Peart also had some good run blocks too. He played stronger.
The he needs weight room strength hot take came from but Peart honestly looks bigger and stouter than Thomas out there. Struggles at the Senior Bowl? He stopped a couple bull rushes where Thomas has been getting bullied right into Jones’ lap repeatedly in recent games. More impressively he got some nice push in the running game. Really hope the coaching staff sees on tape all the plus plays he had over Thomas. Deserves a shot after today’s game.
At no point did we see him overpowered. On top of that - he out-benched most OT’s (including Becton, Wirfs and Thomas) at the combine. I don’t know what he cleans, squats, etc; but it’s almost like people think because he’s a small conference guy that he needs to get into the weight room. Unless someone has some evidence as to why he’s undeveloped from a strength standpoint I’ll just assume you are all full of shit.
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I just rewatched the game. He got pushed back once. It was on the TD throw. Otherwise he played real well.
Thomas did too. He got beat on one run play . Otherwise he was very good.
I know there has been a lot of losing and people are negative because of it. But go back and watch it again. Both Peart and Thomas were good today.
If Peart and Thomas can start, in either combination of RT/LT
I wonder what you were all looking at. He was getting pushed back in the run game. He was able to overcome it thought because his technique and feet were very good. Very good sign.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He looked better than Thomas
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.
HE'S A ROOKIE WHO HAS STARTED 6 GAMES AS A ROOKIE WITH ALMOST ZERO OFFSEASON AND AGAINST 5 VERY FORMIDABLE LINES. Many assumed he would start at LT before Solder opted out.
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
He looked okay. A few bumps but he is the future at one
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
He did not look overpowered at all. I may not have wanted him to start at LT, but his play certainly warranted another look. I would keep him there, but I would also put Thomas at RT moving forward. I don't care who plays where if both play well at their respective positions.
On a team who has had major difficulty fixing the OL, if this draft produces the 2 tackles you can play with, that Is a major success regardless of who is where and where they were drafted. Just get better
RE: RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.
One play that sticks into my mind though was a run to th left
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?
Who cares. If he busts, he busts. But there's lot in between busting and being an all-pro LT. People are incredibly binary in their world outlook. If he can play RT like Kareem McKenzie and anchor the right side of the line for a decade, that's a huge win.
RE: RE: RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.
Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.
Zeke, because he wasnt getting pushed back. Both times the Giants put him in (last week or week before at RT) he has looked more than solid and at times swallowing his assignment.
Peart has looked good albeit in limited action. But he has been powerful and plenty agile.
RE: RE: People here largely suck at watching OL play.
So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.
Chopper you missed my point, that I was illustrating with just one play...
Where Peart failed miserably.
Too many here make snap judgements and generalizations based on a play or three, rather than studying the whole game play by play.
Thomas had at least one awesome run block from LT... I wonder how many people here thought that was still Peart? 74 vs 78, hard to keep track of who was in since they switched back and forth a bit.
Its a good sign (for Peart) that they inserted him at LT. Does anyone have the snap count data yet?
If we get two starting above average OTs out of this draft, that will be great.
Keep in mind Peart was a 4 year starter and is 23 years old. Thomas is 21, but should still be well ahead of Peart given the level of comp he faced as a 3 year starter.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Definitely better than AT did.
If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
If they like the way he looked best at left, then I think you see him go there and Thomas to the right. At some point this season he will take a starting spot. They are just figuring out which side him and Thomas will be.
Chase Young was his assignment, and Young did not make an impression. I'd say that is pretty good!
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?
None of us**
You can view this as good news in that Thomas could play the easier RT position. Still too early to tell for sure though!!
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
What he said.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Its a wash if you ask me.
By #99 overall; I'd say Gettleman & Co. laid an egg; so much for the "efficacy" (a popular word these days) of the description - "Most NFL Ready".
I do hope that Thomas turns out a good pick, but who was the best playmaker available at #4 ? I wanted Henry Ruggs, time will tell.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
They would have been crucified if they didn’t pick an OT with that pick. The question is did he pick the right one?
Literally everybody on draft day said he was the most pro ready. Shitty offseason, he is making rookie mistakes and has played some of the best lones in the league.
As are you. He played 6 games in a weird offseason when most thought hed be on the right side.
Chase Young was silent today. What else.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.
Next up, when is Lemieux going to start at LG?
What guy are you looking at? Peart looked physically rock solid and held his ground much better than AT. Looked much more comfortable getting an early punch.
If anybody looks weak and not quite ready yet, it's AT, who is back-pedaling off the snap and giving too much ground before he makes contact still. I'll rewatch, but Peart also had some good run blocks too. He played stronger.
By a lot.
+1.
I just rewatched the game. He got pushed back once. It was on the TD throw. Otherwise he played real well.
Thomas did too. He got beat on one run play . Otherwise he was very good.
I know there has been a lot of losing and people are negative because of it. But go back and watch it again. Both Peart and Thomas were good today.
I don't think it matters if Thomas plays RT.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
Exactly.
Exactly? Dumb. Sherrf was a top ten pick who is a Guard. Martin is an all pro Guard. Leonard Davis was drafted 2nd overall and had a great career. The book is still open for AT. If he becomes a good player at any position on the OL and Peart becomes a stud at LT its value for value.
Every team has disappointing 1st rounders. Yes we have had a lot but who cares who plays where.
What’s dumb is your assumption Thomas will be all-pro at anything. Right now he’s a shitty starter with shitty technique. If that’s what the Giants end up with on a top 5 draft pick it was a terrible mistake, regardless if Peart is good or not.
HE'S A ROOKIE WHO HAS STARTED 6 GAMES AS A ROOKIE WITH ALMOST ZERO OFFSEASON AND AGAINST 5 VERY FORMIDABLE LINES. Many assumed he would start at LT before Solder opted out.
Jesus Christ. And who said all pro?
Feet, Technique and brains are indicators of good OL, especially OT and he seems to jave it all. Power will come
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.
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If a 3rd round pick becomes a starting LT of the future and our 1st becomes a starting RT or a Guard, does it really make a difference?
Yes, if they pissed away the #4 overall pick, that's not good considering the dozen or so gaping holes on the roster that pick could have been used to fill.
So if he improves to become say...Kareem McKenzie like as a RT it was still a waste?
Who cares. If he busts, he busts. But there's lot in between busting and being an all-pro LT. People are incredibly binary in their world outlook. If he can play RT like Kareem McKenzie and anchor the right side of the line for a decade, that's a huge win.
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Look at the first reverse, that Engram pitched (off a jet sweep) to Slayton. Maybe it was a double reverse, that came back to the left side when big 74 was the LT.
Peart whiffed twice on 2 different guys and looked like a fffn' turnstile.
Its just one play, but announcing that Peart is suddenly "better than Thomas" is way premature.
I agree he missed on the reverse. Looked more like he didn't know who to block.
Zeke. Please point out all these plays he was getting pushed back. I still have my recording. Educate me.....
Well I don't have the recording, but I decided to key on him once it was announced he was getting he getting the start. It was noticeable. I'll rewatch and get back to you because I'm curious myself.
Zeke, because he wasnt getting pushed back. Both times the Giants put him in (last week or week before at RT) he has looked more than solid and at times swallowing his assignment.
Peart has looked good albeit in limited action. But he has been powerful and plenty agile.
So the way a 3rd round rookie looks on a failed DOUBLE reverse against a D line with 4 1st rounders and good linebackers is enough to invalidate his performance on normal plays? Maybe stick to finding deals at FoodTown.
Chopper you missed my point, that I was illustrating with just one play...
Where Peart failed miserably.
Too many here make snap judgements and generalizations based on a play or three, rather than studying the whole game play by play.
Thomas had at least one awesome run block from LT... I wonder how many people here thought that was still Peart? 74 vs 78, hard to keep track of who was in since they switched back and forth a bit.
Its a good sign (for Peart) that they inserted him at LT. Does anyone have the snap count data yet?
If we get two starting above average OTs out of this draft, that will be great.
Keep in mind Peart was a 4 year starter and is 23 years old. Thomas is 21, but should still be well ahead of Peart given the level of comp he faced as a 3 year starter.