So, how do you feel about this?
Optimistic....you want to see progress?
Disappointed... because you prefer he fumble to strengthen your case to draft another qb in round one.
Sad....that DJ is surrounded by such crap on offense and an archaic has been offensive coordinator.
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This guy cannot make plays in the most important position.
What do other posters expect the rest of this team to do? Are they supposed to take one of jones dink dunk passes ; break like ten tackles and score a td on every drive? I cannot remember the last time he threw over ten yards.
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That's such a tough one though. Pathetic attempt at a block and he couldn't even step into it enough to get it oob
Joe, sadly you have to realize that many of the posters on BBI either don’t know anything about football or are just whining from their lives in general. Some of these guys are so wretched they’d criticize a team going 18-0 if they didn’t get shutouts or score enough points.
He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season.
You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.
How about he’s just not that good.
I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.
I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.
Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.
He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season.
You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.
Good post. You summed it up 100%.
Why is it foisted here as a barometer for Jones??
Ryan Fitzpatrick was among the league's worst in YPA in Buffalo and with the Jets. He led the league in YPA with the Bucs. Pretty tight to tie it to the player, but I see it done frequently here.
It is a stat that reflects on the overall offense, not the QB.
That is a very, very high score. Jones played okay today, but nowhere near the level that score reflects. NFW.
I caught some of that Titans game and Tannehill lit it up. 4 TDs, 8.9 YPA, 70% completion, etc. A real plus. game. Yet, he only received an 83.5.
This is the sad state of the NYG. We have a post that "Our QB Didn't Fumble Today". Some call that progress.
I forget who said it here, but it’s a good point. I thought the TD to Slayton was a great throw. His running was very good today. But, the mistakes cannot be tolerated and the lack of explosive plays have hurt too.
12-19 for 112, 1 TD, 1 pic is certainly not great, but when you only throw 19 times, what do you expect? 300 yards?
If not for Tae Crowder the conversation would be about how awful Jones was.
If not for Tae Crowder the conversation would be about how awful Jones was.
You and I are watching the same game but with different filters.
People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks
Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....
We see and process things differently.
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We definitely have different filters.
Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....
We see and process things differently.
No one's saying he has to be great. He just has to be something other than terrible.
He was drafted like he's a great player. He needs to help lift the level of those around him. Doesn't have to be Mahomes yet (though Mahomes but this point in Jones's career was an MVP; so was Lamar), but we should see some signs by now.
Instead I'd argue he's the top reason for our poor record.
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.
People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks
I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.
I disagree with Jones being the top reason this team sucks, but I’m worried about Jones. I don’t think you can just throw out an entire season of analysis (or in this case, six games so far) because the team around him sucks.
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.
People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks
I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.
Okay, thanks for responding.
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We definitely have different filters.
Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....
We see and process things differently.
No one's saying he has to be great. He just has to be something other than terrible.
He was drafted like he's a great player. He needs to help lift the level of those around him. Doesn't have to be Mahomes yet (though Mahomes but this point in Jones's career was an MVP; so was Lamar), but we should see some signs by now.
Instead I'd argue he's the top reason for our poor record.
I disagree. In this context Jones needs to be great. We reached for him rather than waiting for Tua and Herbert. If Jones is a bottom 10 starting QB, it's a major mistake.
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But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2.
Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him.
But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work.
I do agree with you regarding Jason Garrett being a liability and actually being responsible for stunting DJ’s growth.....but I asked you how you rate our lineman, our receivers, and our running game because I think most would agree.....
Lineman....D-
Receivers: Slayton B+, everyone else F
Running game: D (except Jones)
So, when a young qb is surrounded with this amount of crap.....what can you expect?
When he's in his second year after being the #6 pick in the draft? I expect him to make the guys
around him better.
Honestly, if the line was decent and he had Barkley, I'd agree with you.
It’s more and more likely that Jones isn’t the guy long term.
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.
People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks
I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.
Okay, thanks for responding.
Allen/Jackson look to be the good ones from 2018. I don't think I'd extend Mayfield if I were the Browns. He doesn't look to be a top ten QB to me.
Murray from 2019 looks alright but I'm not sold quite yet.
We have another ten games to evaluate Jones. And even then I'd be a little surprised if we pick QB this year (unless we get #1), so Jones has time.
in an ugly game
that was decided by an ugly, failed, misguided 2 point conversion
that left me with an ugly feeling
The OL was ugly in pass pro
QB play was meh, the int (whether you believe it was an int or not, that ball HAS to go OOB) was ugly
After coming up big on the fumble return, the defense came up small, AGAIN, on the final drive.
Freeman looks good. I like his running style. Decisive, and N/S. No dancing around BS.
The OL actually improved their run blocking.
But Judge got his first win, and DJ got his 4th... So congrats to them.
Agreed Joe. Danny carried the team in spots. I also don’t buy into this “Garret doesn’t know how to use Jones.” thing.
I ask the “impatient ones” to think about this:
The Giants have a rookie (but incredibly smart) head coach. They actually have a brand new coaching staff all across the board .
Yes, Daniel is in his second year, but; since he has a brand new coach and system to work within, it’s really like he’s developing as year-one player.
These coaches had little player-evaluation time. Zoom just doesn’t measure up as a talent-evaluation tool. To expect them to immediately win or truly understand their personnel without the benefit of a preseason is not fair. The Giants are getting better with each game. I’m excited about the play of the defensive line and how there seem to be defensive players in the right spot to make tackles when they need to - and their making most of them.
Yes, the 49ers blew their doors off, but the previously 4-0 Packers looked like crap today too. The point is that the team has had a chance to win 5 of the 6 games that they’ve played in despite limited work with the new coaches and they are looking increasingly disciplined and prepared with each game. There is clearly reason to hope for a performance upswing in the coming weeks.
Now, let’s beat the f**king Eagles, go on a roll and win the NFC East.
Anyone prefer something else to happen????
Still in his 2nd year. Amazing how easily people have forgotten all the inexplicable turnovers Eli had before he “turned the corner” late in his 4th season. Remember the 4 INT game against the Vikings, and he had 3 pick 6’s in that game!? Guess when that game was. In 2007! Eli’s 4th season he was still taking his lumps and we stuck with him because he often showed flashes of greatness. Pretty sure that’s still the most pick 6’s in a single game since 1984 when the Seahawks threw 4 in one game.
By the way, this link I’m about to post is from the 2005 Vikings game (not 2007) but Eli also had a bunch of picks in this game too and also a Darren Sharper pick 6 in both games. The reason I’m posting this is: fast forward to almost the end of the game... the giants are in the red zone needing a TD to tie and they spike the ball with still like 1:20 left in the game. How awful is that clock management? 1) it wastes a down, and 2) it helped leave plenty of time on the clock for the Vikings after the Giants tied the game. Idk sorry I was just shocked to see that and was surprised I didn’t remember a bigger deal being made about it. I loved TC and Eli but looking back I have to say their clock management was sometimes the worst in the league even during the glory days.
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Where is Eli was at in his career in a league 15 years ago totally proves we shouldn't hit the panic button or anything on Jones because he threw his first touchdown in over a month, adding his total to three. I am over overawed.
Where is Eli was at in his career in a league 15 years ago totally proves we shouldn't hit the panic button or anything on Jones because he threw his first touchdown in over a month, adding his total to three. I am over overawed.
I actually brought up 2007 Eli, but yes you’re right I also mentioned 2005.
But uhhh... So are we just going to completely throw Jones’s rookie season out the window? 24:12 TD:INT ratio, 62% completion%, 88 QB rating. All of these and a few other numbers were better than ANY season Eli had in his first 4 years in the league, so I don’t see your point there re: Eli’s numbers? And of course that’s not to say Jones is better than Eli but it’s just to say no one can say ANYTHING about Jones with certainty at this point.
This year throw in a whole new coaching staff, Covid-shortened training camp, no preseason, our star RB goes out for the season, and we’re surprised our 2nd year QB is struggling and experiencing some growing pains? I’m not sitting here saying “don’t worry because Eli did it that means Jones is going to win 2 super bowl MVPs” , but I do think it’s completely ridiculous the standard people hold young QBs to these days and how quickly they’re willing to “hit the panic button,” especially considering the game is faster and more complex than it’s ever been.
I know people are “tired of hearing the same excuses” but they excuses are fucking true— this is a season like NO OTHER SEASON THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED. And people are racking their brains trying to figure out reasons for why Rookies and 2nd year players are struggling with a brand new coaching staff.
Btw I’d also argue Eli had by far a better o-line during that time than Jones has had to deal with. And I’d say Plax/Shockey/Toomer/Barber were a lot more to work with than a street FA at running back and a 2nd year 6th round pick as our #1 WR (I like Slayton though not knocking him).
The loss of Barkley was huge I can’t stress that enough— I like Freeman but Fat Man has posted Jones’s numbers with and without Saquon and it’s clear how big of a difference he makes for Jones.
And I know bad QBs ALSO struggle early in their careers lol so it’s stupid to point to the great QBs struggling as proof of anything, but I’m defending Jones because to me I feel like he HAS shown flashes of greatness. He’s Clearly shown he has an NFL arm, NFL-level accuracy and ball placement, fantastic mobility, plenty of size/strength, terrific fundamentals, and I love his intangibles: clearly tough, smart, great work ethic, incredibly competitive. All of this is why I feel like I can see the parallels to Eli— the greatness is clearly there, but then the inexplicable turnovers and untimely bad decisions make you scratch your head.
To me Jones has everything you look for in an NFL franchise QB, except for the random bad decisions and fumbles. I’d much rather a guy who has something correctable like that than something harder to fix like a weak arm or terrible accuracy. We stuck with Tiki through his fumbles, Eli through his interceptions, I just feel we’ve seen enough good from Jones to let him work through his growing pains.
Not sure why we should have the same patience with Jones that we did with Eli. 3 touchdowns in 6 games is nothing to be proud about though.
2007 Eli? I said this as well in that same thread I didn't care if he threw 10 more interceptions that year, he more than made up for the 2007 season with his playoff run. I was pissed with Eli's 2007 season too but that New England week 17 game boosted my confidence.
I just don't have the same confidence in Jones. He can be pretty bad and I'm not too sure why people are so defensive over him either. Not sure why Eli constantly gets brought up.
You think they're going to win with him? Jones season last year was OK... Vs bad teams. Other than that. What did he have to offer? Some of the fuck ups ARE on him. He makes bad throws and stands in the pocket way too long with 0 awareness.
Oh, and the fumbles we're not going to mention.
I said I agreed on Burress, Plaxico, Tiki supporting cast.
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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?
Still in his 2nd year. Amazing how easily people have forgotten all the inexplicable turnovers Eli had before he “turned the corner” late in his 4th season. Remember the 4 INT game against the Vikings, and he had 3 pick 6’s in that game!? Guess when that game was. In 2007! Eli’s 4th season he was still taking his lumps and we stuck with him because he often showed flashes of greatness. Pretty sure that’s still the most pick 6’s in a single game since 1984 when the Seahawks threw 4 in one game.
By the way, this link I’m about to post is from the 2005 Vikings game (not 2007) but Eli also had a bunch of picks in this game too and also a Darren Sharper pick 6 in both games. The reason I’m posting this is: fast forward to almost the end of the game... the giants are in the red zone needing a TD to tie and they spike the ball with still like 1:20 left in the game. How awful is that clock management? 1) it wastes a down, and 2) it helped leave plenty of time on the clock for the Vikings after the Giants tied the game. Idk sorry I was just shocked to see that and was surprised I didn’t remember a bigger deal being made about it. I loved TC and Eli but looking back I have to say their clock management was sometimes the worst in the league even during the glory days. Link - ( New Window )
You and this fuking gme. You went to it and remember it. THAT WAS ONE GAME! Aaron Rodgers didn't play well yesterday. It happens.
Eli brought his team back late with a game winning TD and 2 pt conversion SOMETHING JONES HAS YET TO DO ONE YEAR AND COUNTING!
HIS ROOKIE SEASON WAS NOT GREAT. IT HAS TO BE IN THE CONTEXT OF WINNING. They are plying conservative now because Jones was TO machine that cost this team game last year. In order to win and not out up empty calories numbers ; they figured he has to stop turning the ball over. So now we get a short passing game qb who turns it over just the same . This guy is a back qb. Kyle allen is a better QB than Daniel Jones. So are a lot of qbs.
Did they win a bunch of games with Barkley earlier this season that I missed or something?
Gallman and Freeman gave you 100 yards against the Cowboys that is all you need from a running game to go out and win.
Looked like another Eli. He's fallen on his face every single time he's been tasked with getting points before the half, or end of game. Not good.
And I know bad QBs ALSO struggle early in their careers lol so it’s stupid to point to the great QBs struggling as proof of anything, but I’m defending Jones because to me I feel like he HAS shown flashes of greatness. He’s Clearly shown he has an NFL arm, NFL-level accuracy and ball placement, fantastic mobility, plenty of size/strength, terrific fundamentals, and I love his intangibles: clearly tough, smart, great work ethic, incredibly competitive. All of this is why I feel like I can see the parallels to Eli— the greatness is clearly there, but then the inexplicable turnovers and untimely bad decisions make you scratch your head.
To me Jones has everything you look for in an NFL franchise QB, except for the random bad decisions and fumbles. I’d much rather a guy who has something correctable like that than something harder to fix like a weak arm or terrible accuracy. We stuck with Tiki through his fumbles, Eli through his interceptions, I just feel we’ve seen enough good from Jones to let him work through his growing pains.
GREAT POST LEGS. (Btw, Why this name?)
I think many here are now coveting Lawrence or possibly Fields, but we would have to pick 1-2 to get either of them....I seriously doubt that happens. So why torture yourself hoping we go 1-15? Besides, what kind of fan wants the Giants to lose every game anyhow? I’ve been watching them for over 50 years and I can’t recall ever rooting for a loss, no matter how meaningless the game is.
Bottom line...just win baby and progress for next year.
Jones is white, right handed, and he has some association with Cutler.
After that, there is absolutely no comparison.
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.
I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.
Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.
??? Where did I say that Allen is better than Jones? The point was even Allen was able to lead his team to a TD in crunch time. Jones has to step it up when we need a late to score to win a game. He's had two opportunities thus far this season and has failed to be successful.
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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.
Joe, sadly you have to realize that many of the posters on BBI either don’t know anything about football or are just whining from their lives in general. Some of these guys are so wretched they’d criticize a team going 18-0 if they didn’t get shutouts or score enough points.
This from the guy who attempts to politically derail every thread that even mentions Covid.
Sorry, Spider, you don't have room to be making sweeping declarations about "many of the posters on BBI" when you're incapable of acting like an adult yourself.
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.
I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.
Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.
??? Where did I say that Allen is better than Jones? The point was even Allen was able to lead his team to a TD in crunch time. Jones has to step it up when we need a late to score to win a game. He's had two opportunities thus far this season and has failed to be successful.
I Adan agree with that...I can remember how I felt when Jones ran in that 4th down TD against Tampa Bay last year. We all want more of that. Maybe if Shepherd can stay healthy and the OL continue to gel and improve we might see a few of those last minute wins.
The #1 thing we all wanted to see were the TOs reduced, but it's been historically bad.
I still have hope for him, but the excuses are running out. I'm seeing QBs with terrible OLs and skill players make plays. He's got to do the same.
Looked like another Eli. He's fallen on his face every single time he's been tasked with getting points before the half, or end of game. Not good.
He's close to one of the most un-clutch players i've ever seen.
He could have iced that game in the 4th Q yesterday and not left it on the defense and he fell flat on his face.
Eagles D even injured is better than WFT, Thurs night is gonna be ugly