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No Fumbles Today from DJ

5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 4:19 pm
So, how do you feel about this?

Optimistic....you want to see progress?

Disappointed... because you prefer he fumble to strengthen your case to draft another qb in round one.

Sad....that DJ is surrounded by such crap on offense and an archaic has been offensive coordinator.

?? Fill in your own answer
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No it isn’t  
Black_Flag : 10/18/2020 5:46 pm : link
I just named 3 of them. Herbert is another.

This guy cannot make plays in the most important position.

What do other posters expect the rest of this team to do? Are they supposed to take one of jones dink dunk passes ; break like ten tackles and score a td on every drive? I cannot remember the last time he threw over ten yards.
This is DJ's life  
markky : 10/18/2020 7:34 pm : link
I like the comment "how is this even possible?"


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I feel like he almost blew the game  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:36 pm : link
with a red zone INT keeping his streak alive of games with at least 1 turnover.
RE: RE: Turnover in the redzone though  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:37 pm : link
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So there’s that



That's such a tough one though. Pathetic attempt at a block and he couldn't even step into it enough to get it oob
He could have thrown it over someone's head on the sidelines. It was a bad decision and a worse throw.
RE: My take  
Spider56 : 10/18/2020 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15013119 joeinpa said:
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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.


Joe, sadly you have to realize that many of the posters on BBI either don’t know anything about football or are just whining from their lives in general. Some of these guys are so wretched they’d criticize a team going 18-0 if they didn’t get shutouts or score enough points.
I don't hate Jones  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:48 pm : link
and I am not convinced he sucks. But, I also am not convinced that he is ever going to be much better than this. I don't walk away from a game like this with all my questions answered. Why? Because he almost literally threw the game away with that red zone INT. Yeah, it's great that he didn't fumble. Yeah, it's great that he went ALMOST a whole game without a turnover. But, he didn't go a whole game and he almost never does.

He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season.

You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.
RE: I’m a big time Jones fan and apologist  
Dutch77 : 10/18/2020 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15012889 Everyone Relax said:
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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?

How about he’s just not that good.
It did look to me like he was holding the ball higher  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 8:04 pm : link
and against his body better, while in the pocket. A few times he got hit from behind and had no problem holding onto the ball
RE: I’ll go with sad ...  
BlueVinnie : 10/18/2020 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15012862 Spider56 said:
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.

I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.
RE: RE: I’ll go with sad ...  
giantstock : 10/18/2020 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15013516 BlueVinnie said:
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.


I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.


Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.



RE: I don't hate Jones  
Route 9 : 10/18/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15013481 Matt M. said:
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and I am not convinced he sucks. But, I also am not convinced that he is ever going to be much better than this. I don't walk away from a game like this with all my questions answered. Why? Because he almost literally threw the game away with that red zone INT. Yeah, it's great that he didn't fumble. Yeah, it's great that he went ALMOST a whole game without a turnover. But, he didn't go a whole game and he almost never does.

He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season.

You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.


Good post. You summed it up 100%.
Give him some players  
Carl in CT : 10/18/2020 9:14 pm : link
On OL and at WR and he will be a stud. Play him with this dog shit and one just says meh. Our leading rusher once again. People don’t realize how many times his legs save drives? So there is not a punt (turnover). Wake up people.
The discussion..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/18/2020 9:24 pm : link
about YPA on how it pertains to a QB instead of the offense is laughable. There are so many examples of QB's switching teams or switching OC's and having YPA change dramatically.

Why is it foisted here as a barometer for Jones??

Ryan Fitzpatrick was among the league's worst in YPA in Buffalo and with the Jets. He led the league in YPA with the Bucs. Pretty tight to tie it to the player, but I see it done frequently here.

It is a stat that reflects on the overall offense, not the QB.
I have no idea...  
bw in dc : 10/18/2020 9:33 pm : link
how ESPN's QBR algorithm works anymore - I tend to give it credibility - because they graded Jones at 83.2 (out of 100).

That is a very, very high score. Jones played okay today, but nowhere near the level that score reflects. NFW.

I caught some of that Titans game and Tannehill lit it up. 4 TDs, 8.9 YPA, 70% completion, etc. A real plus. game. Yet, he only received an 83.5.
He wasn't very good today  
KWALL2 : 10/18/2020 9:36 pm : link
but hey, he didn't fumble again!

This is the sad state of the NYG. We have a post that "Our QB Didn't Fumble Today". Some call that progress.
Someone made the point here re: Jones  
Sean : 10/18/2020 9:43 pm : link
He shows some signs why the Giants loved him, but he shows more signs why a lot of analysts thought he was a late first round pick at best.

I forget who said it here, but it’s a good point. I thought the TD to Slayton was a great throw. His running was very good today. But, the mistakes cannot be tolerated and the lack of explosive plays have hurt too.
Jones led the offense to 13 points today  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
His red zone performance was dreadful. As a passer it was an awful performance. His running was the best thing he brought today.
RE: Jones led the offense to 13 points today  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15013678 Go Terps said:
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His red zone performance was dreadful. As a passer it was an awful performance. His running was the best thing he brought today.


12-19 for 112, 1 TD, 1 pic is certainly not great, but when you only throw 19 times, what do you expect? 300 yards?
I expect better than 112  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 10:32 pm : link
And one of those 19 was a horrific interception that cost them points.

If not for Tae Crowder the conversation would be about how awful Jones was.
RE: I expect better than 112  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15013685 Go Terps said:
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And one of those 19 was a horrific interception that cost them points.

If not for Tae Crowder the conversation would be about how awful Jones was.


You and I are watching the same game but with different filters.
I’m not seeing enough good things from Jones.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2020 10:37 pm : link
I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.

People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.
RE: I’m not seeing enough good things from Jones.  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15013694 BrettNYG10 said:
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.

People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.


Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks
If you think Jones has been something other than awful  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 10:41 pm : link
We definitely have different filters.
RE: If you think Jones has been something other than awful  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 10:44 pm : link
In comment 15013704 Go Terps said:
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We definitely have different filters.


Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....

We see and process things differently.
RE: RE: If you think Jones has been something other than awful  
Go Terps : 10/18/2020 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15013709 5BowlsSoon said:
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We definitely have different filters.



Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....

We see and process things differently.


No one's saying he has to be great. He just has to be something other than terrible.

He was drafted like he's a great player. He needs to help lift the level of those around him. Doesn't have to be Mahomes yet (though Mahomes but this point in Jones's career was an MVP; so was Lamar), but we should see some signs by now.

Instead I'd argue he's the top reason for our poor record.
RE: RE: I’m not seeing enough good things from Jones.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2020 11:00 pm : link
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.

People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.



Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks


I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2020 11:02 pm : link
Agreed with Terps, I’m not seeing enough signs. I’m not even seeing the good things I saw last year.

I disagree with Jones being the top reason this team sucks, but I’m worried about Jones. I don’t think you can just throw out an entire season of analysis (or in this case, six games so far) because the team around him sucks.
RE: RE: RE: I’m not seeing enough good things from Jones.  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2020 11:13 pm : link
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.

People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.



Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks



I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.


Okay, thanks for responding.
RE: RE: RE: If you think Jones has been something other than awful  
Producer : 10/18/2020 11:37 pm : link
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We definitely have different filters.



Bad OL, bad receivers, very little run game. But okay, if you think he should still be great with no supporting cast....

We see and process things differently.



No one's saying he has to be great. He just has to be something other than terrible.

He was drafted like he's a great player. He needs to help lift the level of those around him. Doesn't have to be Mahomes yet (though Mahomes but this point in Jones's career was an MVP; so was Lamar), but we should see some signs by now.

Instead I'd argue he's the top reason for our poor record.


I disagree. In this context Jones needs to be great. We reached for him rather than waiting for Tua and Herbert. If Jones is a bottom 10 starting QB, it's a major mistake.
RE: RE: RE: The fundamental problem is he isn't a pocket passer  
islander1 : 10/18/2020 11:45 pm : link
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But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2.

Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him.

But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work.



I do agree with you regarding Jason Garrett being a liability and actually being responsible for stunting DJ’s growth.....but I asked you how you rate our lineman, our receivers, and our running game because I think most would agree.....

Lineman....D-
Receivers: Slayton B+, everyone else F
Running game: D (except Jones)

So, when a young qb is surrounded with this amount of crap.....what can you expect?



When he's in his second year after being the #6 pick in the draft? I expect him to make the guys
around him better.


Honestly, if the line was decent and he had Barkley, I'd agree with you.
The fact that we’re acknowledging this  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/18/2020 11:46 pm : link
Is pretty sad.

It’s more and more likely that Jones isn’t the guy long term.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m not seeing enough good things from Jones.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2020 11:48 pm : link
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I don’t know if YPA is the right metric, but he isn’t flashing enough for me to have confidence that he’s the guy.

People make the comparison to young Eli, but Eli was always high risk/high reward. Jones makes few big plays but gives us plenty of turnovers. I’m willing to grade on a curve (the talent around him is brutal), but I think we’ve seen enough of Jones to be concerned. I don’t see any improvement.



Just curious.....What do you think of Baker Mayfield? Is he the guy for Cleveland? Please support your answer. Thanks



I don’t watch Mayfield enough. I lean towards thinking he’s just an average QB. He’s probably a starter, but I wouldn’t feel great about him on my team. He doesn’t seem to elevate guys around him, either.



Okay, thanks for responding.


Allen/Jackson look to be the good ones from 2018. I don't think I'd extend Mayfield if I were the Browns. He doesn't look to be a top ten QB to me.

Murray from 2019 looks alright but I'm not sold quite yet.

We have another ten games to evaluate Jones. And even then I'd be a little surprised if we pick QB this year (unless we get #1), so Jones has time.
It was an ugly win  
.McL. : 10/19/2020 12:27 am : link
against an ugly team
in an ugly game
that was decided by an ugly, failed, misguided 2 point conversion
that left me with an ugly feeling
The OL was ugly in pass pro
QB play was meh, the int (whether you believe it was an int or not, that ball HAS to go OOB) was ugly
After coming up big on the fumble return, the defense came up small, AGAIN, on the final drive.

Freeman looks good. I like his running style. Decisive, and N/S. No dancing around BS.
The OL actually improved their run blocking.

But Judge got his first win, and DJ got his 4th... So congrats to them.
RE: My take  
Ralph.C : 10/19/2020 2:20 am : link
In comment 15013119 joeinpa said:
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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.


Agreed Joe. Danny carried the team in spots. I also don’t buy into this “Garret doesn’t know how to use Jones.” thing.

I ask the “impatient ones” to think about this:

The Giants have a rookie (but incredibly smart) head coach. They actually have a brand new coaching staff all across the board .

Yes, Daniel is in his second year, but; since he has a brand new coach and system to work within, it’s really like he’s developing as year-one player.

These coaches had little player-evaluation time. Zoom just doesn’t measure up as a talent-evaluation tool. To expect them to immediately win or truly understand their personnel without the benefit of a preseason is not fair. The Giants are getting better with each game. I’m excited about the play of the defensive line and how there seem to be defensive players in the right spot to make tackles when they need to - and their making most of them.

Yes, the 49ers blew their doors off, but the previously 4-0 Packers looked like crap today too. The point is that the team has had a chance to win 5 of the 6 games that they’ve played in despite limited work with the new coaches and they are looking increasingly disciplined and prepared with each game. There is clearly reason to hope for a performance upswing in the coming weeks.

Now, let’s beat the f**king Eagles, go on a roll and win the NFC East.

Anyone prefer something else to happen????
RE: I’m a big time Jones fan and apologist  
Leg of Theismann : 10/19/2020 3:48 am : link
In comment 15012889 Everyone Relax said:
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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?


Still in his 2nd year. Amazing how easily people have forgotten all the inexplicable turnovers Eli had before he “turned the corner” late in his 4th season. Remember the 4 INT game against the Vikings, and he had 3 pick 6’s in that game!? Guess when that game was. In 2007! Eli’s 4th season he was still taking his lumps and we stuck with him because he often showed flashes of greatness. Pretty sure that’s still the most pick 6’s in a single game since 1984 when the Seahawks threw 4 in one game.

By the way, this link I’m about to post is from the 2005 Vikings game (not 2007) but Eli also had a bunch of picks in this game too and also a Darren Sharper pick 6 in both games. The reason I’m posting this is: fast forward to almost the end of the game... the giants are in the red zone needing a TD to tie and they spike the ball with still like 1:20 left in the game. How awful is that clock management? 1) it wastes a down, and 2) it helped leave plenty of time on the clock for the Vikings after the Giants tied the game. Idk sorry I was just shocked to see that and was surprised I didn’t remember a bigger deal being made about it. I loved TC and Eli but looking back I have to say their clock management was sometimes the worst in the league even during the glory days.
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Route 9 : 10/19/2020 4:03 am : link
Oh God here we go again. We're bringing up 2005 Eli Manning and also leaving out he had good numbers for 2005 comparing him to his counterparts.

Where is Eli was at in his career in a league 15 years ago totally proves we shouldn't hit the panic button or anything on Jones because he threw his first touchdown in over a month, adding his total to three. I am over overawed.
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Leg of Theismann : 10/19/2020 4:51 am : link
In comment 15013779 Route 9 said:
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Oh God here we go again. We're bringing up 2005 Eli Manning and also leaving out he had good numbers for 2005 comparing him to his counterparts.

Where is Eli was at in his career in a league 15 years ago totally proves we shouldn't hit the panic button or anything on Jones because he threw his first touchdown in over a month, adding his total to three. I am over overawed.


I actually brought up 2007 Eli, but yes you’re right I also mentioned 2005.

But uhhh... So are we just going to completely throw Jones’s rookie season out the window? 24:12 TD:INT ratio, 62% completion%, 88 QB rating. All of these and a few other numbers were better than ANY season Eli had in his first 4 years in the league, so I don’t see your point there re: Eli’s numbers? And of course that’s not to say Jones is better than Eli but it’s just to say no one can say ANYTHING about Jones with certainty at this point.

This year throw in a whole new coaching staff, Covid-shortened training camp, no preseason, our star RB goes out for the season, and we’re surprised our 2nd year QB is struggling and experiencing some growing pains? I’m not sitting here saying “don’t worry because Eli did it that means Jones is going to win 2 super bowl MVPs” , but I do think it’s completely ridiculous the standard people hold young QBs to these days and how quickly they’re willing to “hit the panic button,” especially considering the game is faster and more complex than it’s ever been.

I know people are “tired of hearing the same excuses” but they excuses are fucking true— this is a season like NO OTHER SEASON THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED. And people are racking their brains trying to figure out reasons for why Rookies and 2nd year players are struggling with a brand new coaching staff.

Btw I’d also argue Eli had by far a better o-line during that time than Jones has had to deal with. And I’d say Plax/Shockey/Toomer/Barber were a lot more to work with than a street FA at running back and a 2nd year 6th round pick as our #1 WR (I like Slayton though not knocking him).

The loss of Barkley was huge I can’t stress that enough— I like Freeman but Fat Man has posted Jones’s numbers with and without Saquon and it’s clear how big of a difference he makes for Jones.
By the way— just to note  
Leg of Theismann : 10/19/2020 5:15 am : link
As of last week’s game against the Cowboys, Daniel Jones now has 16 NFL starts under his belt. He essentially just completed his rookie season as far as playing time is concerned. Of course I realize he’s had an entire offseason in between that makes him NOT a rookie, but to me that’s also sort of canceled out by the fact the offseason/pre-season were destroyed by COVID and the fact he’s starting over with a new coaching staff and a system.

And I know bad QBs ALSO struggle early in their careers lol so it’s stupid to point to the great QBs struggling as proof of anything, but I’m defending Jones because to me I feel like he HAS shown flashes of greatness. He’s Clearly shown he has an NFL arm, NFL-level accuracy and ball placement, fantastic mobility, plenty of size/strength, terrific fundamentals, and I love his intangibles: clearly tough, smart, great work ethic, incredibly competitive. All of this is why I feel like I can see the parallels to Eli— the greatness is clearly there, but then the inexplicable turnovers and untimely bad decisions make you scratch your head.

To me Jones has everything you look for in an NFL franchise QB, except for the random bad decisions and fumbles. I’d much rather a guy who has something correctable like that than something harder to fix like a weak arm or terrible accuracy. We stuck with Tiki through his fumbles, Eli through his interceptions, I just feel we’ve seen enough good from Jones to let him work through his growing pains.
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Route 9 : 10/19/2020 5:29 am : link
Ugh. This is getting redundant because I said it already in another thread. The jump in play by Eli from 2004 to 2005 showed that there were favorable aspects to Eli. Those first few games didn't go so well in 2004 and I won't lie and say I wasn't nervous we had a bust on our hands until the Cowboy game of that year and my relief increased when I saw Eli's 2005 season transpire.

Not sure why we should have the same patience with Jones that we did with Eli. 3 touchdowns in 6 games is nothing to be proud about though.

2007 Eli? I said this as well in that same thread I didn't care if he threw 10 more interceptions that year, he more than made up for the 2007 season with his playoff run. I was pissed with Eli's 2007 season too but that New England week 17 game boosted my confidence.

I just don't have the same confidence in Jones. He can be pretty bad and I'm not too sure why people are so defensive over him either. Not sure why Eli constantly gets brought up.

You think they're going to win with him? Jones season last year was OK... Vs bad teams. Other than that. What did he have to offer? Some of the fuck ups ARE on him. He makes bad throws and stands in the pocket way too long with 0 awareness.

Oh, and the fumbles we're not going to mention.
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Route 9 : 10/19/2020 5:33 am : link
This God damn fucking phone. My golden words shall not be spared.

I said I agreed on Burress, Plaxico, Tiki supporting cast.
RE: RE: I’m a big time Jones fan and apologist  
Black_Flag : 10/19/2020 6:57 am : link
In comment 15013778 Leg of Theismann said:
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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?



Still in his 2nd year. Amazing how easily people have forgotten all the inexplicable turnovers Eli had before he “turned the corner” late in his 4th season. Remember the 4 INT game against the Vikings, and he had 3 pick 6’s in that game!? Guess when that game was. In 2007! Eli’s 4th season he was still taking his lumps and we stuck with him because he often showed flashes of greatness. Pretty sure that’s still the most pick 6’s in a single game since 1984 when the Seahawks threw 4 in one game.

By the way, this link I’m about to post is from the 2005 Vikings game (not 2007) but Eli also had a bunch of picks in this game too and also a Darren Sharper pick 6 in both games. The reason I’m posting this is: fast forward to almost the end of the game... the giants are in the red zone needing a TD to tie and they spike the ball with still like 1:20 left in the game. How awful is that clock management? 1) it wastes a down, and 2) it helped leave plenty of time on the clock for the Vikings after the Giants tied the game. Idk sorry I was just shocked to see that and was surprised I didn’t remember a bigger deal being made about it. I loved TC and Eli but looking back I have to say their clock management was sometimes the worst in the league even during the glory days. Link - ( New Window )


You and this fuking gme. You went to it and remember it. THAT WAS ONE GAME! Aaron Rodgers didn't play well yesterday. It happens.
Eli brought his team back late with a game winning TD and 2 pt conversion SOMETHING JONES HAS YET TO DO ONE YEAR AND COUNTING!

HIS ROOKIE SEASON WAS NOT GREAT. IT HAS TO BE IN THE CONTEXT OF WINNING. They are plying conservative now because Jones was TO machine that cost this team game last year. In order to win and not out up empty calories numbers ; they figured he has to stop turning the ball over. So now we get a short passing game qb who turns it over just the same . This guy is a back qb. Kyle allen is a better QB than Daniel Jones. So are a lot of qbs.
Barkley  
Black_Flag : 10/19/2020 7:15 am : link
Um didn't he play this year? Didn't he have like 0 yards in a game or half a game before he got hurt? Didn't he have 9 carries for 36 yards in another game?

Did they win a bunch of games with Barkley earlier this season that I missed or something?

Gallman and Freeman gave you 100 yards against the Cowboys that is all you need from a running game to go out and win.
A maddening thing about Jones....  
mittenedman : 10/19/2020 7:18 am : link
....Wasn't it his first start where he made a great comeback against TB and won the game with a game-winning QB draw on 4th down??

Looked like another Eli. He's fallen on his face every single time he's been tasked with getting points before the half, or end of game. Not good.
RE: By the way— just to note  
5BowlsSoon : 10/19/2020 8:30 am : link
In comment 15013784 Leg of Theismann said:
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As of last week’s game against the Cowboys, Daniel Jones now has 16 NFL starts under his belt. He essentially just completed his rookie season as far as playing time is concerned. Of course I realize he’s had an entire offseason in between that makes him NOT a rookie, but to me that’s also sort of canceled out by the fact the offseason/pre-season were destroyed by COVID and the fact he’s starting over with a new coaching staff and a system.

And I know bad QBs ALSO struggle early in their careers lol so it’s stupid to point to the great QBs struggling as proof of anything, but I’m defending Jones because to me I feel like he HAS shown flashes of greatness. He’s Clearly shown he has an NFL arm, NFL-level accuracy and ball placement, fantastic mobility, plenty of size/strength, terrific fundamentals, and I love his intangibles: clearly tough, smart, great work ethic, incredibly competitive. All of this is why I feel like I can see the parallels to Eli— the greatness is clearly there, but then the inexplicable turnovers and untimely bad decisions make you scratch your head.

To me Jones has everything you look for in an NFL franchise QB, except for the random bad decisions and fumbles. I’d much rather a guy who has something correctable like that than something harder to fix like a weak arm or terrible accuracy. We stuck with Tiki through his fumbles, Eli through his interceptions, I just feel we’ve seen enough good from Jones to let him work through his growing pains.


GREAT POST LEGS. (Btw, Why this name?)

I think many here are now coveting Lawrence or possibly Fields, but we would have to pick 1-2 to get either of them....I seriously doubt that happens. So why torture yourself hoping we go 1-15? Besides, what kind of fan wants the Giants to lose every game anyhow? I’ve been watching them for over 50 years and I can’t recall ever rooting for a loss, no matter how meaningless the game is.

Bottom line...just win baby and progress for next year.
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bw in dc : 10/19/2020 8:43 am : link
Eli comparisons/references to Jones would end.

Jones is white, right handed, and he has some association with Cutler.

After that, there is absolutely no comparison.
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BlueVinnie : 10/19/2020 8:56 am : link
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.


I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.



Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.




??? Where did I say that Allen is better than Jones? The point was even Allen was able to lead his team to a TD in crunch time. Jones has to step it up when we need a late to score to win a game. He's had two opportunities thus far this season and has failed to be successful.
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Gatorade Dunk : 10/19/2020 9:35 am : link
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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.



Joe, sadly you have to realize that many of the posters on BBI either don’t know anything about football or are just whining from their lives in general. Some of these guys are so wretched they’d criticize a team going 18-0 if they didn’t get shutouts or score enough points.

This from the guy who attempts to politically derail every thread that even mentions Covid.

Sorry, Spider, you don't have room to be making sweeping declarations about "many of the posters on BBI" when you're incapable of acting like an adult yourself.
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5BowlsSoon : 10/19/2020 9:58 am : link
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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.


I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.



Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.






??? Where did I say that Allen is better than Jones? The point was even Allen was able to lead his team to a TD in crunch time. Jones has to step it up when we need a late to score to win a game. He's had two opportunities thus far this season and has failed to be successful.


I Adan agree with that...I can remember how I felt when Jones ran in that 4th down TD against Tampa Bay last year. We all want more of that. Maybe if Shepherd can stay healthy and the OL continue to gel and improve we might see a few of those last minute wins.
I like Jones  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2020 10:04 am : link
but its fair to say he's been terrible.

The #1 thing we all wanted to see were the TOs reduced, but it's been historically bad.

I still have hope for him, but the excuses are running out. I'm seeing QBs with terrible OLs and skill players make plays. He's got to do the same.
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cjac : 10/19/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 15013809 mittenedman said:
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....Wasn't it his first start where he made a great comeback against TB and won the game with a game-winning QB draw on 4th down??

Looked like another Eli. He's fallen on his face every single time he's been tasked with getting points before the half, or end of game. Not good.


He's close to one of the most un-clutch players i've ever seen.

He could have iced that game in the 4th Q yesterday and not left it on the defense and he fell flat on his face.

Eagles D even injured is better than WFT, Thurs night is gonna be ugly
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