No Fumbles Today from DJ

DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.

So there’s that

In comment 15012865 cjac said:

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So there’s that

That's such a tough one though. Pathetic attempt at a block and he couldn't even step into it enough to get it oob

What's next? Are we going to sing the praises of Evan Engram next because he had two catches today?

But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?

throw away was poor. That being said Fuller cane down out of bounds.Horrible call by the officials.

Fewer turnovers. Now we need to get to NO turnovers in a game. Maybe two or six in a row. That'll help.

In comment 15012889 Everyone Relax said:

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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?

today wasnt a int. the fanbase should just move on.

And again, the best work he does is as a runner.

10 yards per run is fantastic. 5.8 yards per pass is non-competitive.

In comment 15012913 Go Terps said:

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And again, the best work he does is as a runner. 10 yards per run is fantastic. 5.8 yards per pass is non-competitive.

Do you think the poor quality WRs have anything to do with that?

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And again, the best work he does is as a runner. 10 yards per run is fantastic. 5.8 yards per pass is non-competitive.

it's his only special skill.. people will eventually catch on.

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In comment 15012913 Go Terps said: Quote: And again, the best work he does is as a runner. 10 yards per run is fantastic. 5.8 yards per pass is non-competitive. Do you think the poor quality WRs have anything to do with that?

I think it has more to do with the poor quality offensive coordinator, but still you can see Jones locking onto his first read, hesitating to pull the trigger - that's the kind of thing that kills you in the red zone.

You could have Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham out there and it would still be a problem. This isn't about people getting open.

In comment 15012929 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15012918 adamg said: Quote: In comment 15012913 Go Terps said: Quote: And again, the best work he does is as a runner. 10 yards per run is fantastic. 5.8 yards per pass is non-competitive. Do you think the poor quality WRs have anything to do with that? I think it has more to do with the poor quality offensive coordinator, but still you can see Jones locking onto his first read, hesitating to pull the trigger - that's the kind of thing that kills you in the red zone. You could have Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham out there and it would still be a problem. This isn't about people getting open.

Did he have this problem last year when he threw 24 tds in 12 games? Was he so poor in the red zone last year with Shurmur drawing up the plays?

I know everyone loves the 24 TDs in 12 games, but didn't he get like half of them in 3 games and mostly suck for the rest?

Do we get to play Washington again next week?

In comment 15012942 Go Terps said:

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I know everyone loves the 24 TDs in 12 games, but didn't he get like half of them in 3 games and mostly suck for the rest? Do we get to play Washington again next week?

So, how do you rate:
OL and
receivers and
ground game?

That's my answer.

He had another turnover.

But he won. I still think he is okay. Man he is a lot better than what Washington threw out there.

In comment 15012942 Go Terps said:

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I know everyone loves the 24 TDs in 12 games, but didn't he get like half of them in 3 games and mostly suck for the rest? Do we get to play Washington again next week?

He had 13 TDs in 3 games. Lions, Jets, WFT

In comment 15012985 giantstock said:

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That's my answer. He had another turnover. But he won. I still think he is okay. Man he is a lot better than what Washington threw out there.

Not a joke.....many guys have expressed their thoughts that it is not the interceptions that concern them....but rather the fumbles.

So, I was wanting to see how people felt about the no fumble game. It might be his first or maybe second in his career.

As for the interception....the guy caught it out of bounds. Tough break.

But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2.

Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him.

But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work.

In comment 15013007 Go Terps said:

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But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2. Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him. But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work.

I do agree with you regarding Jason Garrett being a liability and actually being responsible for stunting DJ’s growth.....but I asked you how you rate our lineman, our receivers, and our running game because I think most would agree.....

Lineman....D-
Receivers: Slayton B+, everyone else F
Running game: D (except Jones)

So, when a young qb is surrounded with this amount of crap.....what can you expect?

In comment 15013023 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 15013007 Go Terps said: Quote: But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2. Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him. But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work. I do agree with you regarding Jason Garrett being a liability and actually being responsible for stunting DJ’s growth.....but I asked you how you rate our lineman, our receivers, and our running game because I think most would agree..... Lineman....D- Receivers: Slayton B+, everyone else F Running game: D (except Jones) So, when a young qb is surrounded with this amount of crap.....what can you expect?

When he's in his second year after being the #6 pick in the draft? I expect him to make the guys around him better.

In comment 15013028 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15013023 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: In comment 15013007 Go Terps said: Quote: But Garrett is treating him like he is. If we ran the same offense as Baltimore we'd be 3-3/4-2. Jones's running ability should be THE featured element of the offense, and everything built off that. Do that, and I'm happy to rethink my position on him. But if you're trying to make him the next Eli Manning, it won't work. I do agree with you regarding Jason Garrett being a liability and actually being responsible for stunting DJ’s growth.....but I asked you how you rate our lineman, our receivers, and our running game because I think most would agree..... Lineman....D- Receivers: Slayton B+, everyone else F Running game: D (except Jones) So, when a young qb is surrounded with this amount of crap.....what can you expect? When he's in his second year after being the #6 pick in the draft? I expect him to make the guys around him better.

You expect him to make Ratley, Board, Tate, Lewis, Thomas, Fleming better?

For one thing, Jones can’t protect the football. But for another, that same lack of sense in the pocket, he has as a runner. There’s something off with Jones’ clock or sense of timing and you can see that when he runs. I think if DJ ran as often as L-Jax in that style of offense he would be seriously injured in less than a few games.

Know what he is, but right now, outside of some flashes, how anyone says his play isn’t concerning is beyond me. In a league putting up video game style numbers at the position, he’s either bottom 5 or 10 in every major passing category, including I believe last in TD passes, with the exception of some guys who have been hurt. That isn’t good any way you slice it.

A lot better last year. Fumbles and all. <150 yds passing won't win many ball games.

but that is where a lack of separation and talent at WR is going to rear its head.

They don't have a mismatch. There is no Plax WR to throw a fade to. There is no physical Plax to bully a defender.

Engram should be that guy, but isn't. Barkley isn't a great run zone RB. When Shepard returns, he won't solve the problem either.

I am not a WR guy but the Giants desperately need to find Jones a matchup nightmare WR to open up the offense.

In comment 15012996 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 15012985 giantstock said: Quote: That's my answer. He had another turnover. But he won. I still think he is okay. Man he is a lot better than what Washington threw out there. Not a joke.....many guys have expressed their thoughts that it is not the interceptions that concern them....but rather the fumbles. So, I was wanting to see how people felt about the no fumble game. It might be his first or maybe second in his career. As for the interception....the guy caught it out of bounds. Tough break.

No it is a joke. Just becuase you are choosing to be so myopic that you refuse to take into account a fumble lost is similar to an interception in that they are turnovers?

As for the interception-- it was an interception. I saw the game as you did. The Giants "turned the ball over" to Washington.

Let's not try to twist what was called. Unless we want to different rules - one for Giants fans and one for every other team? At the end of the season we look at stats but for the Giants it should be different?

Bottomline is - that DJ risked throwing a an ill-advised "throwaway" pass that resulted in a turnovers (allowing the refs to make the decision). This is a fact. It is not myopic. It was turnover. We should be better than this "twisting the narrative."

Maybe one of these years he can ....

Show some confidence to play on this league and throw more than like 20 passes a drive that are all < 5 yards and then throw and int to end the drive.

Run a game winning drive that looks better than me running it.

Actually look better than the opponents back up quarterback. Before the jones defense team comes in Kyle Allen has just as crappy a team and system and was able to make big plays in the clutch. Same with dalton in Dallas. And so did Mullen’s when the player like 10 49ers backup and practice squad players. There must be like a dozen back up qbs all over the league that are better than jones im convinced.

Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.

In comment 15013119 joeinpa said:

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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.

Gotta defend your agenda at all costs. That's why BBI is such a toxic dump.

In comment 15013119 joeinpa said:

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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.

Hard to understand why anyone would be so locked into/convinced with certainty/ that he is going to be a QB without criticism.

In comment 15013107 Black_Flag said:

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There must be like a dozen back up qbs all over the league that are better than jones im convinced.

I don't agree with this at all. I think it's an extreme exaggeration.

I just named 3 of them. Herbert is another.

This guy cannot make plays in the most important position.

What do other posters expect the rest of this team to do? Are they supposed to take one of jones dink dunk passes ; break like ten tackles and score a td on every drive? I cannot remember the last time he threw over ten yards.

I like the comment "how is this even possible?"


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with a red zone INT keeping his streak alive of games with at least 1 turnover.

In comment 15012870 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15012865 cjac said: Quote: So there’s that That's such a tough one though. Pathetic attempt at a block and he couldn't even step into it enough to get it oob

He could have thrown it over someone's head on the sidelines. It was a bad decision and a worse throw.

In comment 15013119 joeinpa said:

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Hard to understand how anyone could have watched that game today, and still be such a severe critic of Jones.

Joe, sadly you have to realize that many of the posters on BBI either don’t know anything about football or are just whining from their lives in general. Some of these guys are so wretched they’d criticize a team going 18-0 if they didn’t get shutouts or score enough points.

and I am not convinced he sucks. But, I also am not convinced that he is ever going to be much better than this. I don't walk away from a game like this with all my questions answered. Why? Because he almost literally threw the game away with that red zone INT. Yeah, it's great that he didn't fumble. Yeah, it's great that he went ALMOST a whole game without a turnover. But, he didn't go a whole game and he almost never does.

He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season.

You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.

In comment 15012889 Everyone Relax said:

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But at some point I have to ask why does this keep happening?? The play against Pitt after that 19 play drive. The pick in the end zone today. The insane int at the end of the Rams game. Are these unlucky or something else?

How about he’s just not that good.

and against his body better, while in the pocket. A few times he got hit from behind and had no problem holding onto the ball

In comment 15012862 Spider56 said:

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DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr.

I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.

In comment 15013516 BlueVinnie said:

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In comment 15012862 Spider56 said: Quote: DJ continues to make plays that show he’s the real deal ... if he can avoid being another David Carr. I'm not buying that. All I know is that Kyle Allen (Kyle Allen!) did what we're still waiting for Jones to do this season...lead his team to a TD when the game is on the line.

Kyle Allen also helped give to GMEN two TD's. Please- not even close Allen vs DJones.

In comment 15013481 Matt M. said:

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and I am not convinced he sucks. But, I also am not convinced that he is ever going to be much better than this. I don't walk away from a game like this with all my questions answered. Why? Because he almost literally threw the game away with that red zone INT. Yeah, it's great that he didn't fumble. Yeah, it's great that he went ALMOST a whole game without a turnover. But, he didn't go a whole game and he almost never does. He finally is starting to show his athleticism the last couple of games with his legs, which is an aspect to his game I like. He seemed tentative to run earlier in the season. You know what would have made me come out of this game feeling a lot better? To either tuck that ball or throw it over someone's head on the sidelines. A 10 or more point victory with a clean boxscore would make me feel a lot better than a narrow victory due to a stupid coaching decision by Rivera on the heels of Washington scoring off that turnover.

Good post. You summed it up 100%.

On OL and at WR and he will be a stud. Play him with this dog shit and one just says meh. Our leading rusher once again. People don’t realize how many times his legs save drives? So there is not a punt (turnover). Wake up people.

about YPA on how it pertains to a QB instead of the offense is laughable. There are so many examples of QB's switching teams or switching OC's and having YPA change dramatically.

Why is it foisted here as a barometer for Jones??

Ryan Fitzpatrick was among the league's worst in YPA in Buffalo and with the Jets. He led the league in YPA with the Bucs. Pretty tight to tie it to the player, but I see it done frequently here.

It is a stat that reflects on the overall offense, not the QB.

how ESPN's QBR algorithm works anymore - I tend to give it credibility - because they graded Jones at 83.2 (out of 100).

That is a very, very high score. Jones played okay today, but nowhere near the level that score reflects. NFW.

I caught some of that Titans game and Tannehill lit it up. 4 TDs, 8.9 YPA, 70% completion, etc. A real plus. game. Yet, he only received an 83.5.

but hey, he didn't fumble again!

This is the sad state of the NYG. We have a post that "Our QB Didn't Fumble Today". Some call that progress.

He shows some signs why the Giants loved him, but he shows more signs why a lot of analysts thought he was a late first round pick at best.

I forget who said it here, but it’s a good point. I thought the TD to Slayton was a great throw. His running was very good today. But, the mistakes cannot be tolerated and the lack of explosive plays have hurt too.

His red zone performance was dreadful. As a passer it was an awful performance. His running was the best thing he brought today.

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His red zone performance was dreadful. As a passer it was an awful performance. His running was the best thing he brought today.

12-19 for 112, 1 TD, 1 pic is certainly not great, but when you only throw 19 times, what do you expect? 300 yards?