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mik999999 : 10/18/2020 5:18 pm
No one is thrilled to be 1-5. But if you take a step back and look at the games.

Lost to a 5-0 Steelers team in a game we were competetive in until the very end.

Lost to a 4-1 Bears team in a game we easily could have won and had a throw to the end zone to win the game.

Got Crushed by a 2-3 team. Everyone has bad games and we were just completely blown out in this one.

Lost to a 3-1 Rams team in a game we held their high powered offense to 17 points.

Lost to the cowboys in a tough divisional game we should have won. Definitely hurt but lost by a FG

So with a completely new coaching staff, no preseason games to iron things out, hardly any in person coaching time due to the virus we have been competitive in all but one game and the five losses coming to teams with a combined 16-8 record 4 of them having coaching staffs that have been in place for years.

It's not the start we obviously all hoped for record wise but realistically this team plays hard every week, looks well coached, and with more time I believe will continue to improve throughout the season. I love coach Judge and think we are in good hands with him at the helm.
They are entitled to their  
joeinpa : 10/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
Negativity, allow them to wallow in it. It s much more pleasant to have your take
I concur  
g56blue10 : 10/18/2020 5:21 pm : link
If Judge and this staff is the goods then this team should progress as the season goes.. they were really robbed of having any chance to development the young players this off season..
GTFO with this.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2020 5:22 pm : link
I'm happy for Judge. I think he has long term potential. But the team blows. If anything, this team is less talented than the one Gettleman inherited.
Some people are just miserable and they can’t help it  
joe48 : 10/18/2020 5:25 pm : link
If we win just enough it will make Trevor Lawrence groups’ heads explode.
RE: GTFO with this.  
Sean : 10/18/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15013111 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm happy for Judge. I think he has long term potential. But the team blows. If anything, this team is less talented than the one Gettleman inherited.


I disagree. I think the team has actually played well. They were in the game late against Pittsburgh. They had legit chances to beat Chicago, LA & Dallas.

The issue has been Jones imo. He’s not playing well enough.
mik999999  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/18/2020 5:26 pm : link
I think we've got some trolls and/or folks who enjoy being miserable.
Sean  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2020 5:26 pm : link
Jones has regressed. And the turnovers...Good God.
Our Franchise QB  
BigBill : 10/18/2020 5:26 pm : link
Still doesn’t impress me with his arm. He threw for 112 yards?? The D scored the winning TD. Forgive me for not being excited with a Dave Brown with wheels.
RE: Sean  
Sean : 10/18/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15013129 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Jones has regressed. And the turnovers...Good God.


Yup. There is no defending it or rationalizing it. Jones is a liability right now. Luckily today, the team overcame it.
The defense is close to being good  
japanhead : 10/18/2020 5:27 pm : link
but routinely gives up scoring drives at the end of the half and end of game. Routinely break in a big spot.

The offense is about the worst in the league and it starts with Jones. I hope they make every effort to re-sign Freeman. Gates and Slayton look like keepers. That's it.
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Producer : 10/18/2020 5:28 pm : link
I have hope Judge is good.

I still think Jones is not the answer.
Jones  
Toth029 : 10/18/2020 5:29 pm : link
Did what he could. Not exciting pass numbers; look, they barely passed the ball. They were limiting the throws in my view based on Slayton's injury. Tate is Herman Moore washed at this point and they don't have another threat.

Freeman is a good player though, I've been impressed by his play.
RE: mik999999  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15013128 Eric from BBI said:
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I think we've got some trolls and/or folks who enjoy being miserable.


agreed. everyday its competing threads of Jones sucks, Mara sucks, Gettleman sucks, everything in Giant land sucks. It's a developmental year and they still have holes to fill and a new HC who I am optimistic about but is still in hs first year as the head man.
RE: mik999999  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15013128 Eric from BBI said:
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I think we've got some trolls and/or folks who enjoy being miserable.


+1.
I made a regrettable post in the post game thread  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/18/2020 5:31 pm : link
I’m sorry for that. But people finger wagging and acting like we should all be overcome with unbridled optimism also need to take a lap
mik999999  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/18/2020 5:35 pm : link
Read my last paragraph in my game preview.
I'm not going to try to dissect the minds of other posters.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2020 5:41 pm : link
I have enough trouble keeping a handle on my own mind.

However, I have some advice, especially for younger guys who were spared the 1970s:

Watch the games, stay loyal, don't root against the team, don't let the losing poison you. Do what you can to keep a clear head; recognize the team's problems but don't wallow in them. The guys who flew the plane over the stadium back in the 70s with the banner saying "15 Years of Lousy Football" were right, but they were taking tangible action, not just venting to other fans. If you feel the need to write to the team, do it. But don't turn your Giants fandom into a rage-fest.

If things get really awful, for you as a fan or on BBI, go for a walk or a drive, go apple-picking or leaf-peeping, or carve a pumpkin. Hug your significant other or your kids, of call your parents or grandparents, do something that feeds your soul. Disconnect from the negativity, turn off the suck.

Sooner or later — maybe much later, but maybe sooner than you think — the Giants will be good again, and you will enjoy that more for having stuck with it during the lean times. Being a front runner is fun, but if you're reading this, you're already a better fan than that.

Life is really, really short. You only have so many seasons. Try to enjoy what you can about Giants football. It's supposed to be fun.
Don't  
dorgan : 10/18/2020 5:41 pm : link
Get too excited about anything you read on this site. Most of these posters don't know shit about football or how to build a team.
RE: I'm not going to try to dissect the minds of other posters.  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/18/2020 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15013187 81_Great_Dane said:
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I have enough trouble keeping a handle on my own mind.

However, I have some advice, especially for younger guys who were spared the 1970s:

Watch the games, stay loyal, don't root against the team, don't let the losing poison you. Do what you can to keep a clear head; recognize the team's problems but don't wallow in them. The guys who flew the plane over the stadium back in the 70s with the banner saying "15 Years of Lousy Football" were right, but they were taking tangible action, not just venting to other fans. If you feel the need to write to the team, do it. But don't turn your Giants fandom into a rage-fest.

If things get really awful, for you as a fan or on BBI, go for a walk or a drive, go apple-picking or leaf-peeping, or carve a pumpkin. Hug your significant other or your kids, of call your parents or grandparents, do something that feeds your soul. Disconnect from the negativity, turn off the suck.

Sooner or later — maybe much later, but maybe sooner than you think — the Giants will be good again, and you will enjoy that more for having stuck with it during the lean times. Being a front runner is fun, but if you're reading this, you're already a better fan than that.

Life is really, really short. You only have so many seasons. Try to enjoy what you can about Giants football. It's supposed to be fun.


Really well said, Great Dane.
RE: I'm not going to try to dissect the minds of other posters.  
glowrider : 10/18/2020 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15013187 81_Great_Dane said:
Quote:
I have enough trouble keeping a handle on my own mind.

However, I have some advice, especially for younger guys who were spared the 1970s:

Watch the games, stay loyal, don't root against the team, don't let the losing poison you. Do what you can to keep a clear head; recognize the team's problems but don't wallow in them. The guys who flew the plane over the stadium back in the 70s with the banner saying "15 Years of Lousy Football" were right, but they were taking tangible action, not just venting to other fans. If you feel the need to write to the team, do it. But don't turn your Giants fandom into a rage-fest.

If things get really awful, for you as a fan or on BBI, go for a walk or a drive, go apple-picking or leaf-peeping, or carve a pumpkin. Hug your significant other or your kids, of call your parents or grandparents, do something that feeds your soul. Disconnect from the negativity, turn off the suck.

Sooner or later — maybe much later, but maybe sooner than you think — the Giants will be good again, and you will enjoy that more for having stuck with it during the lean times. Being a front runner is fun, but if you're reading this, you're already a better fan than that.

Life is really, really short. You only have so many seasons. Try to enjoy what you can about Giants football. It's supposed to be fun.


Good post
Good post mik.... It's getting tougher and tougher on here.  
Blue21 : 10/18/2020 6:08 pm : link
I was rooting for the Giants the hole game every game. I like Judge and still haven't given up on Jones. He may or may not be the guy but let's give him a chance. Everyone knew before the season it was going to be rough and now that it is they immediately start with the trashing. I'm sick of hearing about losing for the #1 pick
RE: mik999999  
morrison40 : 10/18/2020 6:10 pm : link
BINGO ! It doesn’t feel good!

In comment 15013166 Eric from BBI said:
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Read my last paragraph in my game preview.
Can't go a day without  
Route 9 : 10/18/2020 6:11 pm : link
a "we sucked back in the 70's" speech as if there is one person on this site who isn't aware of how bad the Giants were during those days.

Lecturing us about living through bad seasons... while we're living through bad seasons.

Top shelf.

How many more years of 0-5 starts do we have to sit through to earn these lousy stripes? Oh wait.... Pfft. It's always about the "Me" generation and how everything encircles them and it will always be.

In more ways than one.
Game threads were toxic  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
in the years when the Giants won the Superbowl. They would win but not win every game or play perfectly. It's the way it is.

A win is a win, let's hope they build on it  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/18/2020 7:19 pm : link
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Look, a win is a win.  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:26 pm : link
But, looking for more than mild happiness is asking a lot, in my opinion. This is a 1-5 team that has looked every much as bad as that record. They barely eked out a win against one of the 2 or 3 teams equally as inept as them.

You're tired of the negativity? Well, I'm tired of grasping at straws for positivity. I am tired of accepting less than mediocrity. The bottom line, if this was a good team that won more often than not, nobody here would be up in arms. Instead, this team has lost more games than any other team over the last 3 years. So, no, I'm not fucking happy that we kind of almost beat a team on their worst game of the season. Or well, we were competitive for 3 quarters. Or, if it wasn't for that INT or fumble...How about, we play one game for a full 60 minutes at even a decent quality, instead of hanging around and then giving up scores late in games? Because Washington, or more specifically Rivera, more lost this game with the call to go for 2 than we did to win it.
And you know how you get rid of some of this negativity?  
Matt M. : 10/18/2020 7:27 pm : link
Maybe go out and win a 2nd game (novel idea) on Thurs against a shitty Philly team.
I figured we'd have an 0 -4 start and then pick up steam  
SGMen : 10/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
We got "robbed" in Dallas by the refs. Not an excuse so much as a witnessed FACT, IMHO. But yeah, our defense folded late and Dallas got the final points for the win. Hats off to them and I hope they lose tomorrow night.

If Dallas loses and we win on Thursday night SOMEHOW we are still in the division title race.
RE: GTFO with this.  
bw in dc : 10/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15013111 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm happy for Judge. I think he has long term potential. But the team blows. If anything, this team is less talented than the one Gettleman inherited.


On Judge - definitely agree. Very good to see him notch his first W.
RE: mik999999  
ajr2456 : 10/18/2020 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15013128 Eric from BBI said:
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I think we've got some trolls and/or folks who enjoy being miserable.


Or maybe it’s that they are the worst team in the NFL the lasts three years and are approaching a decade of bad football.
RE: Sean  
Dutch77 : 10/18/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15013129 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Jones has regressed. And the turnovers...Good God.

I agree. Some here are just plain delusional. 1 win against a bad Washington team and we should be exited? Dave Gettleman needs to go and he can take Daniel with him. Worst record in the NFL over the past 3 years. 1 or 2 meaningless wins won’t help fix the bigger problem.
RE: Good post mik.... It's getting tougher and tougher on here.  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2020 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15013249 Blue21 said:
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I was rooting for the Giants the hole game every game. I like Judge and still haven't given up on Jones. He may or may not be the guy but let's give him a chance. Everyone knew before the season it was going to be rough and now that it is they immediately start with the trashing. I'm sick of hearing about losing for the #1 pick


As a Giants fan I root for the Giants to win every week. The game threads are depressing. It really does seem like its full of trolls who just wait for eah bad play to jump in
They beat a terrible team  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2020 6:58 am : link
With a whopping 240 yards total offense. Yay.
Eric  
JonC : 10/19/2020 9:02 am : link
nailed it. Go beat Philly with the deck stacked against you.
This team reminds me a ton of that Dolphins team last year.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 9:34 am : link
Thinking Flores and Judge are going to put that Belichik coaching tree thing to rest I think. Both guys just seem to have it. The Dolphins team was highly competitive last year and even after trading Minkah found a way to 5 wins with Fitzpatrick at QB. Very disciplined defenses and well coached. The nice thing is we have a lot more talent on defense then they do at this juncture although they are further along on offense. Last year Flores was interchanging players all year trying to figure out who to keep and who to jettison.
RE: They beat a terrible team  
Matt M. : 10/19/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 15013802 Greg from LI said:
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With a whopping 240 yards total offense. Yay.
Right? On one hand, I kind of get people jumping for joy over a win of any kind at this point. Kind of. On the other hand, I'm like STFU already. Can we see one 60 minute game of even decent football from this team.
It's Just Tough to See the Foundation of a Good Team  
Lambuth_Special : 10/19/2020 9:46 am : link
Judge and Graham look like keepers, but there are just too few players to get psyched about at this point. I'm just hoping that the next GM is aligned with whatever vision Judge has, and we get to see the team turnaround under his watch rather than let go of a good coach due to unworkable talent.
RE: RE: They beat a terrible team  
UConn4523 : 10/19/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 15014015 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15013802 Greg from LI said:


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With a whopping 240 yards total offense. Yay.

Right? On one hand, I kind of get people jumping for joy over a win of any kind at this point. Kind of. On the other hand, I'm like STFU already. Can we see one 60 minute game of even decent football from this team.


Matt, you keep saying this. I've asked twice now and haven't gotten an answer.

Who's jumping for joy?

You and Greg, and whoever else HATE seeing people look for optimism. You can't wait for threads that talk about it to jump in and tell us all that we should continue to hate the team, and think they definitively stink. Now its perfectly fine if you think that, but why bring down every single thread?
Hey mik9  
5BowlsSoon : 10/19/2020 10:14 am : link
Please post more......pretty please.

......  
Route 9 : 10/19/2020 11:44 am : link
I'm just pleased they didn't go 0-16. My annual Super Bowl is complete.
You haven't seen some people who seem overjoyed with this game?  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2020 11:48 am : link
They aren't hard to find, you know.

Wins over Washington haven't been hard to come by even in these recent ugly seasons, and the win was one of the more unimpressive ones you'll ever see. I guess I really don't see much cause for optimism there.

Go out and play well and beat Philly. That will be a different story.
RE: RE: They beat a terrible team  
Route 9 : 10/19/2020 11:58 am : link
In comment 15014015 Matt M. said:
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Right? On one hand, I kind of get people jumping for joy over a win of any kind at this point. Kind of. On the other hand, I'm like STFU already. Can we see one 60 minute game of even decent football from this team.


Sometimes it's just better to go along with it every once in a while and say every player on this team is good and they all have an upside. Then, maybe by year number 6 or 7 of missing the playoffs and having 3 wins you can turn up the "truth dail" when the team scores 3 points in a loss.
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