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Daniel Jones is a complete and utter disaster

crooza172 : 10/19/2020 9:23 am
The "win" yesterday felt like a loss because we are not officially out of the running for Lawerence. Jones continually makes bad decisions and is on pace for the worst "starting QB" statistical season in NFL history.

Through 6 games, he has 889 yards, 2TDs and 5 picks..

Over a 16 game season, that translates to 2371 yards, 5.3 Tds, and 13.3 picks.

This is the guy we drafted 6th overall....and I didn't even mention the fumbles. A complete and utter joke. I don't care about the "lack of talent" around him. The greats elevate the team around them. Jones continually does the opposite.

We are officially in QB hell.
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ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said:
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.


You played in the NFL?
This is a great thread  
Giants in 07 : 10/19/2020 12:48 pm : link
for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions

For everyone else, it's shit
No but 1AA  
Carl in CT : 10/19/2020 12:52 pm : link
At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins.
RE: RE: Ajr  
crick n NC : 10/19/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said:
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?


He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.
RE: Sheppard  
HomerJones45 : 10/19/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15014494 Carl in CT said:
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Plays 2 games, Tate 3, no Barkley, no OL and our second year QB (still without a training camp) has to be the savior. Do some of you really believe what you are saying?
He was the #6 pick and touted by the FO and around here as a "franchise" qb - so good that you build a team around him- ready to play as a result of his 3 years of pro-level coaching, so yes, it's reasonable to expect some elevated level of play from him, and not reasonable to indulge him with every excuse under the sun.

He is not as advertised or promoted. He's not the disaster that his detractors maintain either. He appears to be what some draft commentators said he was- a mid first rounder whose ceiling is starter. The FO has a tough decision: with Barkley in the final year of his contract next season and coming off an injury, is Jones good enough to build the team around and either trade Barkley or not re-sign him after next season. So far, the answer is "no".
RE: This is a great thread  
HomerJones45 : 10/19/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15014536 Giants in 07 said:
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for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions

For everyone else, it's shit
Then stay the fuck off it and let the adults talk.
RE: RE: This is a great thread  
crick n NC : 10/19/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15014550 HomerJones45 said:
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for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions

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Then stay the fuck off it and let the adults talk.


RE: No but 1AA  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15014542 Carl in CT said:
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At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins.


Ah so now data matters, if it fits your narrative.
RE: RE: No but 1AA  
Bill L : 10/19/2020 1:01 pm : link
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At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins.



Ah so now data matters, if it fits your narrative.


Wouldn't the converse apply as well?
RE: RE: RE: Ajr  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 1:01 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.


I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.
To the OP  
joeinpa : 10/19/2020 1:02 pm : link
I totally disagree with your take on Jones, you couldn t be more wrong
RE: A lot of people like  
TheMick7 : 10/19/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15014515 ajr2456 said:
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To laugh at the Jets about Darnold, but were in year two and Jones TD and INT are on track to be worse than Darnold were last year. And the Jets weren’t a talented team last year.


Just saw a stat that DJ threw 1...yes 1, pass of 20+ yards yesterday. On the season, a whopping total of 11. Don't blame the kid for that, blame the OC!
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crick n NC : 10/19/2020 1:11 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.



I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.


I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.

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ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 1:20 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.



I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.



I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.


And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!
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crick n NC : 10/19/2020 1:23 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.



I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.



I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.




And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!


It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible.

What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here.
I'm kind of indifferent towards him  
moespree : 10/19/2020 1:33 pm : link
I wouldn't mind if they moved on as I don't think he's some star in the making. But he's definitely an NFL QB and you can win with players like that.
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ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 1:37 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.



I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.



I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.




And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!



It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible.

What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here.


That right time to start moving on from Eli was 2017 and if we didn’t start to it would set us back - and it did.

That we shouldn’t take a RB because we weren’t in a position to maximize his talents.

That Gettleman was a bad hire. Checks out.

That this team would continue to be bad year after year because they aren’t a well run team.

I don’t have the time to continue to list other examples.
Look, Jones needs to improve...  
bw in dc : 10/19/2020 1:46 pm : link
so we can see real ROI for the 6th pick. To demonstrate he has force multiplier abilities...

Otherwise, this is heading for disaster territory.
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crick n NC : 10/19/2020 1:49 pm : link
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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.



You played in the NFL?



He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.



I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.



I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.




And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!



It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible.

What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here.



That right time to start moving on from Eli was 2017 and if we didn’t start to it would set us back - and it did.

That we shouldn’t take a RB because we weren’t in a position to maximize his talents.

That Gettleman was a bad hire. Checks out.

That this team would continue to be bad year after year because they aren’t a well run team.

I don’t have the time to continue to list other examples.


You gave me three specifics out of a countless list of things you were dead on about, so thanks for that.

You are confusing being right in your own eyes versus being proven right. There are still reasonable cases to be made for all that you have listed which prevents your suggestions as being "dead on". Black and White thinking has its purpose when cases are "black or white".

There is no difference  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 1:55 pm : link
Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
RE: There is no difference  
Now Mike in MD : 10/19/2020 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said:
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?


You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots
RE: RE: There is no difference  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15014685 Now Mike in MD said:
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots


Mixon is legit one the best backs in the league stuck behind a pourous offensive line. Boyd is like Shephard, but actually stays on the field. TJ Higgins is infinetly better than anything else we have. Green and Slayton are probably a wash at this point, and they actually do very different things. This guy is an idiot.
I feel badly at this point for Daniel Jones  
Dnew15 : 10/19/2020 2:29 pm : link
I feel like I'm forced to root against the kid for the Giants to completely revamp everything they do which, in my opinion, is way overdue.

In order for that happen - the Giants have to fail miserably. It's the only way I can see ownership doing a complete tear down. DG will/must be a big part of that tear down.

Once there's no DG - there isn't the same level of commitment to Jones and if that's the case, with a chance to draft a guy like Lawerence, I think a new GM will jump at the chance to start completely over with what many believe to be a generational QB.

I like DJ and I think he can be a really good QB in the NFL, but I think he's the victim of circumstance in this whole thing and he's gone next year.
RE: There is no difference  
Black_Flag : 10/19/2020 2:33 pm : link
In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said:
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?


This Eli shit again? The case can be made that no high profile QB really came out of any of the subsequent draft classes. Or we're you just going to cut him and start Alex Tanney ?

Explain to me how you maximize Barkley's talent. The only way to do it is like special 3rd down back or as a slot back. He is not an NFL running back. Not a starter anyway.

I can't argue with Resume Dave that guy just sucks.
RE: There is no difference  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/19/2020 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said:
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?


So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
RE: Please do not compare Aaron F'ing Rodgers  
Route 9 : 10/19/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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to Daniel Jones.


The last game I went to in person, I did.

Rodgers is a HOF QB with a cannon for an arm and makes plays even with pressure directly in his face, throwing across his body, in snow and wind.

In those same elements, I got to see how weak Jones arm was compared to someone 15 years older than him, with a history of injuries.

Yeah, it's really not fair.
RE: DJ has got to show something soon  
Simms11 : 10/19/2020 3:06 pm : link
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Like, maybe, have a 200 yd passing game ? The production from the QB position has been awful and it cannot continue. Many teams lack talent at WR but not many teams are passing for 112 yds every week. Jones play has been painful to watch and all the big throws he made last year seem like a distant memory. I think Garrett shares some blame for this but DJ is playing himself out of a job.


He only threw the ball 19 times and completed 12 of them! Now too many QBs would have numbers any bigger then that given the amount of passes attempted. Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers. Can't go by 112 yards. My issue with Jones yesterday was the INT in the end zone. Regardless if whether it was an INT or not, you can't throw that ball there. It either has to be sidelines or in the stands behind the end zone. Defense couldn't get off the field yesterday on 3rd down and that just reduces the amount of Ops this offense has too. Complimentary foitball!
RE: This is a great thread  
Gman11 : 10/19/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15014536 Giants in 07 said:
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for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions


Well, he forgot to look in the rushing stats in the box score because Jones had 74 yards rushing, but I guess that doesn't count.
RE: RE: There is no difference  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 3:20 pm : link
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.


The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.

Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
RE: RE: There is no difference  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2020 3:23 pm : link
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots


Their production throughout their career, including this year is nearly identical.
RE: RE: DJ has got to show something soon  
Black_Flag : 10/19/2020 3:23 pm : link

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Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers.



There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers


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RE: RE: RE: DJ has got to show something soon  
crooza172 : 10/19/2020 4:19 pm : link
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and more interceptions.......sigh


Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers.





There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers




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turnovers  
gridirony : 10/19/2020 6:31 pm : link
19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.
RE: turnovers  
Go Terps : 10/19/2020 6:34 pm : link
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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.


They aren't entirely correct. It's 7 fumbles lost. He's fumbled 22 times.
RE: turnovers  
Scooter185 : 10/19/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15014984 gridirony said:
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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.


For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.
RE: RE: turnovers  
Go Terps : 10/19/2020 6:45 pm : link
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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.



For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.


The only problem with that is that the front office didn't bring in any real competition. They didn't want to challenge Jones's scholarship.
This is the one time  
ghost718 : 10/19/2020 8:02 pm : link
Where I'd rather hear from PFF
We throw it 15 ft  
Carl in CT : 10/19/2020 8:08 pm : link
Cause we don’t have time to throw it any further. Not Garrett not Jones.
Waaahhhhh  
Amtoft : 10/19/2020 8:09 pm : link
I am crying about the Giants... WAAAaaaaaHHHHHH!
RE: RE: RE: There is no difference  
aGiantGuy : 10/19/2020 8:32 pm : link
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.



The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.

Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.

You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??

Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.

Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.

EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017

You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion

You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.

But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.
I know the supporting cast sucks  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2020 8:39 pm : link
But so did Dave Brown's, and no one was rushing to make excuses for him. Jones is playing at a Dave Brown level so far this year.
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.



The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.

Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.

So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.

You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??

Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.

Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.

EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017

You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion

You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.

But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.


The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.
RE:  
aGiantGuy : 10/19/2020 9:26 pm : link
The only brightside I can see from yesterday’s game is that we might’ve finally broken the curse of 3rd rd picks, I’m not making any excuses for Jones or his mediocre play, and I damn sure am not gonna make any excuse for this sad, stuck in the past, Giants brain trust.

But no way am I stupid enough to conclude that Jones is a complete and utter disaster
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: There is no difference  
Black_Flag : 10/19/2020 9:57 pm : link
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Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?



So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.



The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.

Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.

So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.

You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??

Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.

Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.

EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017

You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion

You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.

But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.



The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.


Oh yeah - how did they do that? I am still waiting to hear your brilliant analysis. So specifically before 2018 you are saying they cut Eli and do a complete reworking of the team? Sounds like they did anyway so what the hell are you even blathering about?
I don't know if he'll develop  
Daniel in MI : 10/20/2020 12:11 am : link
but I do know right now, DJ has very little chance.

Did anyone watch the OL film that guy does where he breaks down our OL play. ANYTHING that happened, DJ had to do on his own, scrambling, avoiding, making fast throws with guys in his face, on his legs. Just insane.

Add to that the guy also pointed out all our routes break at the same time, so if the 1st guy is not open (and, let's face it, he isn't) by the time he looks to the next guy, his break has happened and the DB is caught up. Too often.

Now, add to that we've had virtually no run game. Actually, the run game we DO have is DJ himself mostly. So, that means PA Passing is not going to give the space is should. They can just play the run on the way to the QB.

His WRs are some of the worst in the league as a unit.

So, honestly, I don't know who'd do much better with his crappy team right now. Give the kid a little time and a WR open, I think he might be fine.

He absolutely needs to stop the fumbling (it'd be nice if he didn't get his all the f'ing time though). He's learning to get rid of it and give up on plays when needed. He should have benched the INT but that was a shit call by the refs.
He may need to read faster, but he's in game 5 in his third O in 3 years counting Duke. And the O is learning together.

I think some of the picks are because he has to force some stuff. He's freakin' courageous, stands in, throws in the face of the rush, and he has to because if he didn't, if he Eli balled up, we'd have 3 & out's exclusively. So he has to forces things. That's going to lead to TOs.

Again, is he the answer for sure? I don't know. But how anyone can say he's a disaster with his surrounding cast is beyond me. I think he's elevating them some, and they're still this bad which says how bad they really are. Again, watch the tape from Dallas. He made some amazing plays under pressure just to have us in that game.
RE: I know the supporting cast sucks  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2020 12:35 am : link
In comment 15015117 Greg from LI said:
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But so did Dave Brown's, and no one was rushing to make excuses for him. Jones is playing at a Dave Brown level so far this year.


Just a silly statement.
He made some amazing plays under pressure  
Route 9 : 10/20/2020 12:44 am : link
but then he coughed up another disastrous fumble for a touchdown under pressure against Dallas. No ball protection.

Sure, he has had some nice drives but then he throws the ball up and it's not the result of a bad throw 100%, it's a dumb decision on his part that is costly and then results in a turnover in the red zone. Too bad there isn't a tight end who is near the 6 foot 6 range who could be a good red zone target. Oh wait, I'm missing someone.

If it wasn't for the defense and well Washington being as stupid as they are, this "I score one touchdown a game on offense" team would be 0-6.

Yeah. Danny Dimes is the future.
I would venture to say...  
bw in dc : 10/20/2020 1:12 am : link
almost every QB in this league can make plays when they have enough time. They stay on script.

The real difference makers are the guys who can off script and still make plays. Either by arm or legs. You just need that because finding reliable OLs continues to be a big challenge. Right now I have little confidence Jones is that type of player.

RE: RE: I know the supporting cast sucks  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2020 1:50 am : link
In comment 15015385 chopperhatch said:
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Just a silly statement


1995 Brown: 55.7%, 2814 yds, 11 TDs/10 INTs, 73.1 rating

2020 Jones (at current rates over 16 games): 61.2%, 3261 yds, 8 TDs/16 INTs, 71.0 rating

Man, I was way off base!
It’s becoming clear...  
Sean : 10/20/2020 7:20 am : link
why the pick was universally mocked at #6. Looking back, a defensive playmaker there would have been very nice.
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