Daniel Jones is a complete and utter disaster

When you have only 2 WR's on your roster who would actually have roles for other teams (Slayton and Shepard) and both are battling injuries. Garrett has had to use gimmick plays in the red zone because our inability to get separation doesn't afford many options as teams just use the end lines as another defender. That also takes away Slayton's biggest attribute as a deep threat.

The Corpse of Golden Tate

Evan Engram (who couldn't get separation if he served the defender with divorce papers)

Austin Mack (who?)

CJ Board (Special Teamer and injured)


Those were Jones' main passing targets yesterday

then that means we are going to have a great pick in a draft with a ton of QB talent, including possibly 3 QB's that can go #1 on any given year.

has absolutely elevated Slayton's play. There's a reason why they were in lockstep with each other right out of the gates.

You can look at this any way you want but I don't think you are being very objective.

can't get 2 seconds to even throw a pass. Let alone they get no separation.

Eli threw him a game winning 45 yard bomb last year. IT looks like Gettle won the mid round lotto with him. Then again for every 1 like Slayton how many Jabrill Peppers moves has he done?

In comment 15013970 Mike in NY said:

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When you have only 2 WR's on your roster who would actually have roles for other teams (Slayton and Shepard) and both are battling injuries. Garrett has had to use gimmick plays in the red zone because our inability to get separation doesn't afford many options as teams just use the end lines as another defender. That also takes away Slayton's biggest attribute as a deep threat.

Every other bad team outside the Jets seems to score touchdowns with scrap heap wide receivers breaking out for big days.

remain steady over the course of the season. He's in a new system, which he will become more familiar with as the season progresses and, as a result, he'll likely play better. Also, he'll get SS back at some point and, as the Giant running game improves (it has nowhere to go but up) and the line play improves (it can't get worse) it should help with his passing numbers.

The turnovers are a problem. And it seems he may not live up to being the #6 draft pick. But I think "disaster" is an overreaction and unfair. Let's see where he is at the end of the season. He could turn out to be a very good QB. Maybe not a superstar, but really good.

DJ has 1223 yards thru 6 games.............

I wouldn't categorize him as a total disaster. That may be more descriptive of the Giants offense in general.

Until he gets more pieces around him you won't be able to make that assessement.

But I will say, as the 6th overall pick and now in his second year (on plus side of 16 games), I am a bit concerned about decision making and also the arm strength.

On that INT, I think he was throwing for Slayton and trying to put the ball in a spot only Slayton could get to...unfortunately on the play the corner was more like the WR.

it's not easy, but that's the NFL now. At some point, the OL has to stop being the excuse. Giants ran well yesterday too. If JOnes is going to step up it will require him operating under duress.

And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker.

But he does beautiful, difficult, athletic things too. And I think he's improving his anility to read defenses pre snap, and playing a little better vs zone defenses.

Part of his apparent regression year two could well be that he is consistently facing the types of defenses (scheme and tactics) he struggled with the most as a rookie.

Having a "wet behind the ears" OC has been a challenge too for the offense and Jones.

But there's plenty of plays when I yell at the TV and yell at him: "Jones YOU SUCK!"

how most of this board can only view Jones (and other picks) in 2 extremes. Why is he either the definitive answer or a colossal bust, not even halfway into his 2nd season?

I am extremely frustrated with him, the offense, and the team in general. But, every week he makes plays that give us hope and make us see why we took him at #6. However, every week he also makes plays that make us see why others questioned taking him at #6. Is he great? No. Is it a no brainers that he will be our QB 5 or 10 years from now? No. BUT, itnis also not a no brainers that he will be a forgotten name 5 years from now. I have been highly critical of him, but a complete and utter disaster? Come on!

Like, maybe, have a 200 yd passing game ? The production from the QB position has been awful and it cannot continue. Many teams lack talent at WR but not many teams are passing for 112 yds every week. Jones play has been painful to watch and all the big throws he made last year seem like a distant memory. I think Garrett shares some blame for this but DJ is playing himself out of a job.

In comment 15013974 jlukes said:

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The Corpse of Golden Tate Evan Engram (who couldn't get separation if he served the defender with divorce papers) Austin Mack (who?) CJ Board (Special Teamer and injured) Those were Jones' main passing targets yesterday

Let’s add in the worst tackle duo in the NFL. A below average center and our best offensive lineman is Zietler and he’s ranked 32nd out of all guards. In other words our best offensive lineman is an average player. No run game which eliminates play action etc. Anyone who blames jones should just stop watching football. The amount of plays that he makes to avoid sacks is incredible.

should be at least 2 more by 5PM.

Get a fucking clue

The only thing that is an utter and complete disaster is this thread

to Daniel Jones.

Handed him the franchise and all of this kind of nonsense that goes along with it.

If certain fans aren't crying relentlessly about the team's quarterback they don't feel complete. It's like a bizarre identity.

he needs to run more whether ad-lib or designed. It will keep defenders on their heels and possibly open up the passing game a little.

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And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker.

I agree, that's what's so frustrating.

Same thing with the defense, the occasional amazing play followed by mediocre play, mental mistakes or just plain bad.

The same can apply to Andrew Thomas too I guess.

You can't ignore them. He's not going to be a starting QB for long in this league if he continues to be careless with the ball.

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In comment 15014034 BlueLou'sBack said: Quote: And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker. I agree, that's what's so frustrating. Same thing with the defense, the occasional amazing play followed by mediocre play, mental mistakes or just plain bad. The same can apply to Andrew Thomas too I guess.

Its called being young players. Consistency comes with experience. The positive is that they are showing potential, and they are

Went 16/35 160 yards and 0 TDs and 2 INTs. That's what happens when you get pressured all the time. Daniel Jones is good. I refuse to buy into the BS.

to Daniel Jones.

That HAS to stop. They had a beautiful drive yesterday, held the ball for most of the 3rd quarter and got no points out of it. He did the same thing v Pitt. He has got to clean that up.

Yesterday, regardless of what the stats who? The entire NFL world knows that was not an INT.

He managed the game well, had a 49 yard run (Cam Newton got a BJ for 10 years for the same nonsense total stats), has 1 weapon in Slayton on a terrible wheel.

WE WON! SIT DOWN! SHUT UP! (Arnold S quote)

the guy is running for his life on almost every play.

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Eli threw him a game winning 45 yard bomb last year. IT looks like Gettle won the mid round lotto with him. Then again for every 1 like Slayton how many Jabrill Peppers moves has he done?

You mean when Dorsey left the deal on the table for weeks and finally ADDED Peppers to the deal after we passed on giving the richest safety contract in the league to our “1st Team All-Pro”? That, in your opinion, is the epitome of Gettleman’s, I’m guessing, negative value added moves?

Nah, you can do better, there’s so much more damning ammo out there.

Jokes aside, I’m pretty sure he wanted Peppers added to the deal to be a place holder. He had a lot of spots to fill and probably didn’t want to use a top 100 pick on a safety or be forced to start Sean Chandler. He probably had no intention or expectation that Peppers would be anything other than a starter with unidentified upside. That way he could possibly wait till 2020 before he invested resources into the position, yakno, in order to find a replacement for the projected non all-pro starter at safety...

HUGE TANGENT, might delete later, but yeah... rip him a new one dude

In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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to Daniel Jones.

It's actually a good point, and one that I was going to make before it was. Nobody is saying Jones is comparable to Rodgers in accomplishments and ability. The point is that as good as Rodgers is (Super Bowl winner, HOF QB, MVP, etc), he looked like absolute dogshit yesterday because his OL and others around him were not doing their jobs. Yet, we are supposed to expect Jones to be all-world with no WR, and being contstantly under pressure?

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to Daniel Jones.

thank you

This discussion is very reminiscent of Eli's Rookie year
Eli was considered a bust

He started to turn it around with a win against Dallas.
But until that point the fans were ready to jettison him.

A player is never as bad as he appears and never as good as he appears

Football is the ultimate team sport and it takes a team to succeed.

Jones has demonstrated some great athleticism and passing prowess but his decision making is lacking.
that is too be expected


lets see how he does as he gets more familiar with Garretts system .

which, tbh, if the referees had done their job correctly would not have hurt them, Jones had a pretty good game yesterday.

So there’s that.

but I feel like the last few games Jones has put together several really nice long drives. More than previous anyway. But I would need to check to see if Dixon was being used progressively less as each week goes on.

In comment 15014176 KDavies said:

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In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: to Daniel Jones. It's actually a good point, and one that I was going to make before it was. Nobody is saying Jones is comparable to Rodgers in accomplishments and ability. The point is that as good as Rodgers is (Super Bowl winner, HOF QB, MVP, etc), he looked like absolute dogshit yesterday because his OL and others around him were not doing their jobs. Yet, we are supposed to expect Jones to be all-world with no WR, and being contstantly under pressure?

Still not really comparable though, everyone is due to have a bad game. Having six in a row though, usually points to a much deeper malfunction

He was overdrafted, we all know now the GM got buffaloed into jumping at the pick; that does not mean he is close to being a "disaster." Some of his faults, like hoisting it up when in trouble, were faults he had in college. Cutcliffe couldn't correct them so I doubt at this point anyone can. It is what it is. It's not what you expect with the #6 pick, but it's not terrible either, and he does a lot of good things.

So, you work with it. You spend the resources to go get him a DeAndre Hopkins-type so when he does chuck it up there maybe he chucks it in the direction of someone who comes down with a few. You get away from the smallish receivers and load up on big receivers who might not be terribly fast but can win those jump balls. You get him a functional tight end.

And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners.

Bitch and moan all you want about him not being a "franchise qb" whatever that is and understand, this isn't Wilson or Rodgers or Mahomes and yes, he's going to need some particular help.

with the excuses, he is playing like shit. Hopefully he can turn it around

The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too.

We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve.

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The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too. We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve.

and what if he plays like garbage all season? Do you consider Fields or Lance?

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And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners.

I don't believe this to be true anymore. These guys can slide and run without having to take big hits. Look at Russell Wilson. QBs get hurt constantly in the pocket as well. Probably more so. I think the league is moving beyond pocket passers who the D can now tee off on and into dynamic QBs who create with their legs and arms.

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Went 16/35 160 yards and 0 TDs and 2 INTs. That's what happens when you get pressured all the time. Daniel Jones is good. I refuse to buy into the BS.

Thank you.

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In comment 15014262 FStubbs said: Quote: The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too. We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve. and what if he plays like garbage all season? Do you consider Fields or Lance?

You would be doing the Franchise a disservice by not looking at them as a potential option

In comment 15014202 Bill L said:

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which, tbh, if the referees had done their job correctly would not have hurt them, Jones had a pretty good game yesterday.

What part of the performance was good? The only positive was his running. He threw one td.

His OL leaves him running for his life; his run game is extremely limited; and, he has one guy to throw to who merits starting ability in WR Slayton. He has NOTHING to work with.

However, if the OL continues its incremental improvement and Shepard returns this week I think D. Jones will show better. No QB outside of Mahomes could execute in this offense with its total lack of talent.

The more I see of Jones, the more I get the sinking feeling that he's a guy that will play just well enough that the team will stick with him. I fear becoming a team that wins between 7 and 9 games a year for the next decade. We make a token wild card appearance once every 5 years followed by a first round playoff exit. We never become a true championship contender during his career...just a mediocre team with no real chance of winning it all.

At least if he is a "complete and utter disaster" we'd continue to look for "thee guy".

All any defenders of Jones ever do is point out the lack of talent around him. I'm tired of the excuses. No qb has a perfect pocket on every play, especially maholmes. Their O-line is not that good. He simply has to play better and stop making stupid mistakes that absolutely crush this team. As of now, he's part of the problem and the solution going forward.

sick of "excuses" is just code for being sick of people not agreeing with you.

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how most of this board can only view Jones (and other picks) in 2 extremes. Why is he either the definitive answer or a colossal bust, not even halfway into his 2nd season? I am extremely frustrated with him, the offense, and the team in general. But, every week he makes plays that give us hope and make us see why we took him at #6. However, every week he also makes plays that make us see why others questioned taking him at #6. Is he great? No. Is it a no brainers that he will be our QB 5 or 10 years from now? No. BUT, itnis also not a no brainers that he will be a forgotten name 5 years from now. I have been highly critical of him, but a complete and utter disaster? Come on!

Excellent post

In comment 15014273 family progtitioner said:

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In comment 15014241 HomerJones45 said: Quote: And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners. I don't believe this to be true anymore. These guys can slide and run without having to take big hits. Look at Russell Wilson. QBs get hurt constantly in the pocket as well. Probably more so. I think the league is moving beyond pocket passers who the D can now tee off on and into dynamic QBs who create with their legs and arms.

Were you paying attention to Prescott? Every year a couple of these running qb's misses significant time with injuries or are less effective because they are gimpy from a lower leg injury. Everyone loves the running qb until they are on crutches on the sideline.

You mean pocket passers like Rothelisberger? Brady? Brees? Rivers? These guys are all playing age 38+. There's a reason for that. Is the new rage Herbert, a runner?

A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there.

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sick of "excuses" is just code for being sick of people not agreeing with you.

Getting close to year 10 of bad football with the same recycled excuses, but sure. This team is great, headed in the right direction!

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sick of "excuses" is just code for being sick of people not agreeing with you.

Okay I am sick of ten years of bad football with people continually pointing to the same issues. Is that better?

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sick of "excuses" is just code for being sick of people not agreeing with you.

I've always laughed at the "excuses" posts. I don't coach or play for the Giants. Whatever any of us say have no impact - thinking they are great or terrible has zero impact. "Excuses" are actually "reasons" why we as fans think something.

I've never argued with anyone about sports and claimed they were making excuses. Its such a weird phenomenon I've only ever come across on BBI.

If Judge starts crying about this or that being unfair then I'll see reason for using that classification. Until then, we are all arguing about differences of opinion.

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A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there.

Boyd and Higgins would be our top 2 WR's right now.

I love how guys fawn over a "functional offense". What is it translating into? Were you happy over our "functional offense" last season?

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A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there.

If they didn’t have an offense they should fire their head coach immediately, they had a big yardage offense with Andy Dalton at QB and hired their head coach for the sole purpose of employing his offensive savvy.

That’s not where we’re at.

Had they traded A.J. green 3 years ago, and lost Tyler Boyd and joe Mixon to injury, then they’d be worthy of a comparison

In comment 15014356 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15014339 ajr2456 said: Quote: A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there. Boyd and Higgins would be our top 2 WR's right now. I love how guys fawn over a "functional offense". What is it translating into? Were you happy over our "functional offense" last season?

Their offense is better than ours with worse OL and a QB in his first 6 games with no offseason.

I see a lot of people coming to Jones defense and a lot of fans are already ready to throw in the towel. I’ll just say this. He’s not giving me any hope that he is our QB of the future but he’s clearly shown he has some skills to play in this league. I don’t know if he’ll put it all together eventually and I don’t know if the giants will be patient enough to find out. He better step it up these final 10 games and give the fan base some hope moving forward.

In comment 15014370 MtDizzle said:

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I see a lot of people coming to Jones defense and a lot of fans are already ready to throw in the towel. I’ll just say this. He’s not giving me any hope that he is our QB of the future but he’s clearly shown he has some skills to play in this league. I don’t know if he’ll put it all together eventually and I don’t know if the giants will be patient enough to find out. He better step it up these final 10 games and give the fan base some hope moving forward.

When I judge QB, I look at someone that elevates the players around them. Someone you can see taking them to the promise land and winning a superbowl. I see NONE of that qualities in Jones. Zero. The only time I saw it was his first game when we beat Tampa. That is a distant memory. He has costed this team more than he has helped week after week.

In comment 15014367 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014356 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15014339 ajr2456 said: Quote: A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there. Boyd and Higgins would be our top 2 WR's right now. I love how guys fawn over a "functional offense". What is it translating into? Were you happy over our "functional offense" last season? Their offense is better than ours with worse OL and a QB in his first 6 games with no offseason.

Why are you keen to compare Danny Jones to a heisman winning national championship winning QB when you probably weren’t willing to give up 3 1st rounders, along with players included, to get him? Burrow was never in our trajectory, how is this in anyway comparable??

They live in 11 personnel, we’ve already seen that Jones can operate that style of offense, how is this relevant???

Their offense producing points despite that is the entire argument.

Can't flip through every excuse for us while the Bengals worked through the same offseason challenges with a rookie qb and limited talent and still run a good offense.

In comment 15014338 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 15014273 family progtitioner said: Quote: In comment 15014241 HomerJones45 said: Quote: And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners. I don't believe this to be true anymore. These guys can slide and run without having to take big hits. Look at Russell Wilson. QBs get hurt constantly in the pocket as well. Probably more so. I think the league is moving beyond pocket passers who the D can now tee off on and into dynamic QBs who create with their legs and arms. Were you paying attention to Prescott? Every year a couple of these running qb's misses significant time with injuries or are less effective because they are gimpy from a lower leg injury. Everyone loves the running qb until they are on crutches on the sideline. You mean pocket passers like Rothelisberger? Brady? Brees? Rivers? These guys are all playing age 38+. There's a reason for that. Is the new rage Herbert, a runner?

Running a QB aside, why do you care with DJ? You basically state that he's broken and his tendencies can't be fixed. Who cares if he can't play for 20 years if he's not good? Then to work with him they should go out and get some stud WR who can outmuscle the opposition for the ball, like that WR is so easy to find.

If the Giants want to develop this QB, DJ, they have to start using his best abilities which are accuracy and running. Keep Ds guessing and not attacking like they've doing to Giants teams the last 8 years.

had 24 TD's last season.

Exactly what are we supposed to be admiring from the Bengals?

had Jones at an 83.2 grade out of a possible 100.

For a measurement I usually have faith in, this evaluation makes no sense to me. And I get that they also include a QB’s running stats. So weight is applied there.

But you can’t say Jones was anything other than ordinary yesterday. We only scored 13 points from the offense and he threw an interception in the endzone.

Just don’t get it....

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In comment 15014370 MtDizzle said: Quote: I see a lot of people coming to Jones defense and a lot of fans are already ready to throw in the towel. I’ll just say this. He’s not giving me any hope that he is our QB of the future but he’s clearly shown he has some skills to play in this league. I don’t know if he’ll put it all together eventually and I don’t know if the giants will be patient enough to find out. He better step it up these final 10 games and give the fan base some hope moving forward. When I judge QB, I look at someone that elevates the players around them. Someone you can see taking them to the promise land and winning a superbowl. I see NONE of that qualities in Jones. Zero. The only time I saw it was his first game when we beat Tampa. That is a distant memory. He has costed this team more than he has helped week after week.

How do you, with a straight face, state that he has “NONE.Zero.” qualities that you can see, and in the exact next sentence state that you saw those qualities once upon a time.

Are you ABSOLUTELY certain your eyes are working?

Not reading your post

DJ should of actually had a no turnover game except for the unexplainable call by the refs/replay of an interception. There was no way he was inbounds, just a horrific call!

Another Jones sucks thread.

In comment 15014412 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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had 24 TD's last season. Exactly what are we supposed to be admiring from the Bengals?

This year. Stay on topic.

The Bengals offense is better than the Giants with not much more talent and a rookie with no offseason.

I care about Daniel Jones and the Giants. There are very few teams with as little talent on offense as us, especially without Barkley. That is what makes it very dangerous to judge Jones for the future. Honestly, how can anyone say with much confidence he is OR is not equipped to lead this team for the next decade? Last year he made a lot of exciting plays. He also made a ton of bad decisions, INTs, and fumbles. So, the net result of his exciting infusion of running and TDs amounted to same old shit in the W-L column.

This year we are seeing about the same level of play with inexplicably LESS talent and the result is less points and the same old shit in the W-L column. With more talent, would we be seeing a top half of the league QB? No clue and I have no clue how the Giants are suppose to make the same determination, especially if they end up with the #1 pick.


The extreme arguments for seemingly every topic make it impossible to hold a meaningful dialogue. No matter what, a sane posters seems to have to disagree with an argument just to enter the conversation. Then you are made out to sound like you are taking a diametrically opposed stance, when you are just disputing extreme nonsense.

For example, I can't subscribe to Jones being a complete and utter disaster. Nothing logically or visually presents itself to me to support this. But, arguing that could make it seem like I am confident in him, which I can't say one way or the other.

As for Lawrence, if the Giants are actually bad enough to get the #1 pick it is very hard to say not to pick him. He is, by every account, a better QB and more of a sure thing. But, the reality is nobody is a sure thing in the draft. We've seen a lot of can't miss QBs miss and vice versa. So, how do the giants properly assess Jones? The only thing I think I am certain of is with the #1 pick the Giants should not select anyone other than Lawrence. They should either take him, or get a package to trade down that nets them a decent #1 this year, a #2 this year, and a #1 next year.

In comment 15014448 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014412 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: had 24 TD's last season. Exactly what are we supposed to be admiring from the Bengals? This year. Stay on topic. The Bengals offense is better than the Giants with not much more talent and a rookie with no offseason.

Not much more talent?!?! The Bengals skill players can run laps around what the Giants have right now. All of them to a man. We have a slightly better line, but the discrepancy in skill players is a fucking ocean.

In comment 15014387 aGiantGuy said:

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In comment 15014367 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014356 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15014339 ajr2456 said: Quote: A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there. Boyd and Higgins would be our top 2 WR's right now. I love how guys fawn over a "functional offense". What is it translating into? Were you happy over our "functional offense" last season? Their offense is better than ours with worse OL and a QB in his first 6 games with no offseason. Why are you keen to compare Danny Jones to a heisman winning national championship winning QB when you probably weren’t willing to give up 3 1st rounders, along with players included, to get him? Burrow was never in our trajectory, how is this in anyway comparable?? They live in 11 personnel, we’ve already seen that Jones can operate that style of offense, how is this relevant???

Who said the Giants should have gotten Burrow?

It’s relevant because a rookie with no offseason and no preseason looks better than a QB in his 2nd year. Burrow is in a new offense. His oline is worse. Other QBs around the league seem to do ok with the same excuses made for Jones. “The oline stinks”. “It’s a new offense”. Etc, etc.

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In comment 15014448 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014412 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: had 24 TD's last season. Exactly what are we supposed to be admiring from the Bengals? This year. Stay on topic. The Bengals offense is better than the Giants with not much more talent and a rookie with no offseason. Not much more talent?!?! The Bengals skill players can run laps around what the Giants have right now. All of them to a man. We have a slightly better line, but the discrepancy in skill players is a fucking ocean.

Higgins is a rookie. Boyd is average. AJ Green is toast. Mixon is an upgrade over Freeman but not by much.

Why the hell are we paying Golden Tate $10 million if there’s an ocean between him and Tyler Boyd?

Aaron Rodgers looked good yesterday when he had to play OL (cause others were hurt). He looked like total shit. But we have a QB who is our leading rusher, running for his life, with NO OL or WR in his second year and we hear shit. Some of you just don’t understand football I swear.

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Aaron Rodgers looked good yesterday when he had to play OL (cause others were hurt). He looked like total shit. But we have a QB who is our leading rusher, running for his life, with NO OL or WR in his second year and we hear shit. Some of you just don’t understand football I swear.

I don’t think you understand football if you’re comparing a one off random bad game from Rodgers to a 6 game stretch from Jones.

The same excuses that were made for Eli are being made for Jones. “The oline stinks”. “He has nobody to throw to”. “They can’t run the ball”. “It’s a new offense and the play calling stinks.”

Soon enough we’ll be approaching the end of Jones’ rookie contract and Year 12 of bad to mediocre football wondering if we wasted the rookie contracts of our 2020-2022 draft picks.

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Aaron Rodgers looked good yesterday when he had to play OL (cause others were hurt). He looked like total shit. But we have a QB who is our leading rusher, running for his life, with NO OL or WR in his second year and we hear shit. Some of you just don’t understand football I swear.

So Rodgers one poor game trumps his five prior excellent games? Had DJ has any good games this year?

And in the prior game to Tampa Rodgers, was playing with receivers that were only second in "no name" status to the anonymous stable in Philly.

He also had Adams yesterday. He looked like shit cause he had no time. Sound familiar? Wake up.

Plays 2 games, Tate 3, no Barkley, no OL and our second year QB (still without a training camp) has to be the savior. Do some of you really believe what you are saying?

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Plays 2 games, Tate 3, no Barkley, no OL and our second year QB (still without a training camp) has to be the savior. Do some of you really believe what you are saying?

Is it too much to ask for your QB picked #6 to be slightly worse than say Ryan Fitzpatrick in his second year?

To laugh at the Jets about Darnold, but were in year two and Jones TD and INT are on track to be worse than Darnold were last year. And the Jets weren’t a talented team last year.

Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.

In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said:

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Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless.

You played in the NFL?

for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions

For everyone else, it's shit

At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins.

In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL?

He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.

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Plays 2 games, Tate 3, no Barkley, no OL and our second year QB (still without a training camp) has to be the savior. Do some of you really believe what you are saying?

He was the #6 pick and touted by the FO and around here as a "franchise" qb - so good that you build a team around him- ready to play as a result of his 3 years of pro-level coaching, so yes, it's reasonable to expect some elevated level of play from him, and not reasonable to indulge him with every excuse under the sun.

He is not as advertised or promoted. He's not the disaster that his detractors maintain either. He appears to be what some draft commentators said he was- a mid first rounder whose ceiling is starter. The FO has a tough decision: with Barkley in the final year of his contract next season and coming off an injury, is Jones good enough to build the team around and either trade Barkley or not re-sign him after next season. So far, the answer is "no".

In comment 15014536 Giants in 07 said:

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for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions For everyone else, it's shit

Then stay the fuck off it and let the adults talk.

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In comment 15014536 Giants in 07 said: Quote: for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions For everyone else, it's shit Then stay the fuck off it and let the adults talk.

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At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins.

Ah so now data matters, if it fits your narrative.

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In comment 15014542 Carl in CT said: Quote: At the time. BTW his QBR (with no one) is still better than Wentz, Burrow, Newton, Cousins, and young QBs Darnold & Haskins. Ah so now data matters, if it fits your narrative.

Wouldn't the converse apply as well?

In comment 15014545 crick n NC said:

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In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion.

I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.

I totally disagree with your take on Jones, you couldn t be more wrong

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To laugh at the Jets about Darnold, but were in year two and Jones TD and INT are on track to be worse than Darnold were last year. And the Jets weren’t a talented team last year.

Just saw a stat that DJ threw 1...yes 1, pass of 20+ yards yesterday. On the season, a whopping total of 11. Don't blame the kid for that, blame the OC!

In comment 15014564 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014545 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion. I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago.

I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.

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In comment 15014564 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014545 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion. I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago. I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine.

And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!

In comment 15014592 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014581 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014564 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014545 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion. I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago. I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine. And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either!

It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible.

What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here.

I wouldn't mind if they moved on as I don't think he's some star in the making. But he's definitely an NFL QB and you can win with players like that.

In comment 15014599 crick n NC said:

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In comment 15014592 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014581 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014564 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014545 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion. I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago. I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine. And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either! It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible. What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here.

That right time to start moving on from Eli was 2017 and if we didn’t start to it would set us back - and it did.

That we shouldn’t take a RB because we weren’t in a position to maximize his talents.

That Gettleman was a bad hire. Checks out.

That this team would continue to be bad year after year because they aren’t a well run team.

I don’t have the time to continue to list other examples.

so we can see real ROI for the 6th pick. To demonstrate he has force multiplier abilities...

Otherwise, this is heading for disaster territory.

In comment 15014624 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014599 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014592 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014581 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014564 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014545 crick n NC said: Quote: In comment 15014532 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014524 Carl in CT said: Quote: Obviously you never played ball. Yes excuse were made for Eli also. But when you gave Eli an OL and some weapons he won 2 Superbowls. Look at the stats. Less time than any QB in football. How many QBs just stand there and have all day to throw? Kid was 9/10 at one point with a throw away. We don’t have one receiver who would be a top two on more than 60% of the league. (Yes includes Slayton) and we do not have a #1. Our left tackle leads the NFL on pressures but all of that doesn’t matter. Clueless. You played in the NFL? He is saying that perhaps you lack the understanding of football from the perspective of being on the team. Relevant point in my opinion. I’ll take talking to scouts and front office people weekly over playing 1AA college football 20 years ago. I imagine some of what you say is from your sources, I'll bet a lot of what you say is from your own analyses which can be rightfully doubted as can mine. And yet here we are, I’ve been dead on about the trajectory of this team the last 4 years. I didn’t even need to play D2 football either! It seems to me a lot of fans say this type of thing. Even if you were dead on as you say doesn't mean you shouldn't be doubted. People are not infallible. What were you dead on about? "Dead on" is a key phrase here. That right time to start moving on from Eli was 2017 and if we didn’t start to it would set us back - and it did. That we shouldn’t take a RB because we weren’t in a position to maximize his talents. That Gettleman was a bad hire. Checks out. That this team would continue to be bad year after year because they aren’t a well run team. I don’t have the time to continue to list other examples.

You gave me three specifics out of a countless list of things you were dead on about, so thanks for that.

You are confusing being right in your own eyes versus being proven right. There are still reasonable cases to be made for all that you have listed which prevents your suggestions as being "dead on". Black and White thinking has its purpose when cases are "black or white".

Between being right and being proven right.

What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?

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Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?

You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots

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In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots

Mixon is legit one the best backs in the league stuck behind a pourous offensive line. Boyd is like Shephard, but actually stays on the field. TJ Higgins is infinetly better than anything else we have. Green and Slayton are probably a wash at this point, and they actually do very different things. This guy is an idiot.

I feel like I'm forced to root against the kid for the Giants to completely revamp everything they do which, in my opinion, is way overdue.

In order for that happen - the Giants have to fail miserably. It's the only way I can see ownership doing a complete tear down. DG will/must be a big part of that tear down.

Once there's no DG - there isn't the same level of commitment to Jones and if that's the case, with a chance to draft a guy like Lawerence, I think a new GM will jump at the chance to start completely over with what many believe to be a generational QB.

I like DJ and I think he can be a really good QB in the NFL, but I think he's the victim of circumstance in this whole thing and he's gone next year.

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Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?

This Eli shit again? The case can be made that no high profile QB really came out of any of the subsequent draft classes. Or we're you just going to cut him and start Alex Tanney ?

Explain to me how you maximize Barkley's talent. The only way to do it is like special 3rd down back or as a slot back. He is not an NFL running back. Not a starter anyway.

I can't argue with Resume Dave that guy just sucks.

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Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?

So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??

Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.

But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.

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to Daniel Jones.

The last game I went to in person, I did.

Rodgers is a HOF QB with a cannon for an arm and makes plays even with pressure directly in his face, throwing across his body, in snow and wind.

In those same elements, I got to see how weak Jones arm was compared to someone 15 years older than him, with a history of injuries.

Yeah, it's really not fair.

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Like, maybe, have a 200 yd passing game ? The production from the QB position has been awful and it cannot continue. Many teams lack talent at WR but not many teams are passing for 112 yds every week. Jones play has been painful to watch and all the big throws he made last year seem like a distant memory. I think Garrett shares some blame for this but DJ is playing himself out of a job.

He only threw the ball 19 times and completed 12 of them! Now too many QBs would have numbers any bigger then that given the amount of passes attempted. Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers. Can't go by 112 yards. My issue with Jones yesterday was the INT in the end zone. Regardless if whether it was an INT or not, you can't throw that ball there. It either has to be sidelines or in the stands behind the end zone. Defense couldn't get off the field yesterday on 3rd down and that just reduces the amount of Ops this offense has too. Complimentary foitball!

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for all of those that wake up on Monday and check the box score and form their opinions

Well, he forgot to look in the rushing stats in the box score because Jones had 74 yards rushing, but I guess that doesn't count.

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In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today?? Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today. But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.

The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.

Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.

In comment 15014685 Now Mike in MD said:

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In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots

Their production throughout their career, including this year is nearly identical.

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There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers

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Quote: and more interceptions.......sigh Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers. There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers Quote: Can't go by 112 yards.nd you'd see much better numbers.

19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.

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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.

They aren't entirely correct. It's 7 fumbles lost. He's fumbled 22 times.

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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.

For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.

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In comment 15014984 gridirony said: Quote: 19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many. For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.

The only problem with that is that the front office didn't bring in any real competition. They didn't want to challenge Jones's scholarship.

Where I'd rather hear from PFF

Cause we don’t have time to throw it any further. Not Garrett not Jones.

I am crying about the Giants... WAAAaaaaaHHHHHH!

In comment 15014804 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 15014737 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today?? Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today. But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that. The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you. Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.

So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.

You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??

Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.

Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.

EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017

You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion

You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.

But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.

But so did Dave Brown's, and no one was rushing to make excuses for him. Jones is playing at a Dave Brown level so far this year.

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In comment 15014804 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014737 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today?? Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today. But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that. The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you. Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back. So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season. You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline?? Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl. Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up. EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017 You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far. But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.

The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.

The only brightside I can see from yesterday’s game is that we might’ve finally broken the curse of 3rd rd picks, I’m not making any excuses for Jones or his mediocre play, and I damn sure am not gonna make any excuse for this sad, stuck in the past, Giants brain trust.

But no way am I stupid enough to conclude that Jones is a complete and utter disaster

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In comment 15015107 aGiantGuy said: Quote: In comment 15014804 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 15014737 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 15014649 ajr2456 said: Quote: Between being right and being proven right. What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back? What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent? What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire? So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today?? Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today. But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that. The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you. Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back. So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season. You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline?? Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl. Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up. EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017 You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far. But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks. The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.

Oh yeah - how did they do that? I am still waiting to hear your brilliant analysis. So specifically before 2018 you are saying they cut Eli and do a complete reworking of the team? Sounds like they did anyway so what the hell are you even blathering about?

but I do know right now, DJ has very little chance.

Did anyone watch the OL film that guy does where he breaks down our OL play. ANYTHING that happened, DJ had to do on his own, scrambling, avoiding, making fast throws with guys in his face, on his legs. Just insane.

Add to that the guy also pointed out all our routes break at the same time, so if the 1st guy is not open (and, let's face it, he isn't) by the time he looks to the next guy, his break has happened and the DB is caught up. Too often.

Now, add to that we've had virtually no run game. Actually, the run game we DO have is DJ himself mostly. So, that means PA Passing is not going to give the space is should. They can just play the run on the way to the QB.

His WRs are some of the worst in the league as a unit.

So, honestly, I don't know who'd do much better with his crappy team right now. Give the kid a little time and a WR open, I think he might be fine.

He absolutely needs to stop the fumbling (it'd be nice if he didn't get his all the f'ing time though). He's learning to get rid of it and give up on plays when needed. He should have benched the INT but that was a shit call by the refs.
He may need to read faster, but he's in game 5 in his third O in 3 years counting Duke. And the O is learning together.

I think some of the picks are because he has to force some stuff. He's freakin' courageous, stands in, throws in the face of the rush, and he has to because if he didn't, if he Eli balled up, we'd have 3 & out's exclusively. So he has to forces things. That's going to lead to TOs.

Again, is he the answer for sure? I don't know. But how anyone can say he's a disaster with his surrounding cast is beyond me. I think he's elevating them some, and they're still this bad which says how bad they really are. Again, watch the tape from Dallas. He made some amazing plays under pressure just to have us in that game.

In comment 15015117 Greg from LI said:

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But so did Dave Brown's, and no one was rushing to make excuses for him. Jones is playing at a Dave Brown level so far this year.

Just a silly statement.

but then he coughed up another disastrous fumble for a touchdown under pressure against Dallas. No ball protection.

Sure, he has had some nice drives but then he throws the ball up and it's not the result of a bad throw 100%, it's a dumb decision on his part that is costly and then results in a turnover in the red zone. Too bad there isn't a tight end who is near the 6 foot 6 range who could be a good red zone target. Oh wait, I'm missing someone.

If it wasn't for the defense and well Washington being as stupid as they are, this "I score one touchdown a game on offense" team would be 0-6.

Yeah. Danny Dimes is the future.

almost every QB in this league can make plays when they have enough time. They stay on script.

The real difference makers are the guys who can off script and still make plays. Either by arm or legs. You just need that because finding reliable OLs continues to be a big challenge. Right now I have little confidence Jones is that type of player.

In comment 15015385 chopperhatch said:

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Just a silly statement

1995 Brown: 55.7%, 2814 yds, 11 TDs/10 INTs, 73.1 rating

2020 Jones (at current rates over 16 games): 61.2%, 3261 yds, 8 TDs/16 INTs, 71.0 rating

Man, I was way off base!

why the pick was universally mocked at #6. Looking back, a defensive playmaker there would have been very nice.