Daniel Jones is a complete and utter disaster

When you have only 2 WR's on your roster who would actually have roles for other teams (Slayton and Shepard) and both are battling injuries. Garrett has had to use gimmick plays in the red zone because our inability to get separation doesn't afford many options as teams just use the end lines as another defender. That also takes away Slayton's biggest attribute as a deep threat.

The Corpse of Golden Tate

Evan Engram (who couldn't get separation if he served the defender with divorce papers)

Austin Mack (who?)

CJ Board (Special Teamer and injured)


Those were Jones' main passing targets yesterday

then that means we are going to have a great pick in a draft with a ton of QB talent, including possibly 3 QB's that can go #1 on any given year.

has absolutely elevated Slayton's play. There's a reason why they were in lockstep with each other right out of the gates.

You can look at this any way you want but I don't think you are being very objective.

can't get 2 seconds to even throw a pass. Let alone they get no separation.

Eli threw him a game winning 45 yard bomb last year. IT looks like Gettle won the mid round lotto with him. Then again for every 1 like Slayton how many Jabrill Peppers moves has he done?

In comment 15013970 Mike in NY said:

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When you have only 2 WR's on your roster who would actually have roles for other teams (Slayton and Shepard) and both are battling injuries. Garrett has had to use gimmick plays in the red zone because our inability to get separation doesn't afford many options as teams just use the end lines as another defender. That also takes away Slayton's biggest attribute as a deep threat.

Every other bad team outside the Jets seems to score touchdowns with scrap heap wide receivers breaking out for big days.

remain steady over the course of the season. He's in a new system, which he will become more familiar with as the season progresses and, as a result, he'll likely play better. Also, he'll get SS back at some point and, as the Giant running game improves (it has nowhere to go but up) and the line play improves (it can't get worse) it should help with his passing numbers.

The turnovers are a problem. And it seems he may not live up to being the #6 draft pick. But I think "disaster" is an overreaction and unfair. Let's see where he is at the end of the season. He could turn out to be a very good QB. Maybe not a superstar, but really good.

DJ has 1223 yards thru 6 games.............

I wouldn't categorize him as a total disaster. That may be more descriptive of the Giants offense in general.

Until he gets more pieces around him you won't be able to make that assessement.

But I will say, as the 6th overall pick and now in his second year (on plus side of 16 games), I am a bit concerned about decision making and also the arm strength.

On that INT, I think he was throwing for Slayton and trying to put the ball in a spot only Slayton could get to...unfortunately on the play the corner was more like the WR.

it's not easy, but that's the NFL now. At some point, the OL has to stop being the excuse. Giants ran well yesterday too. If JOnes is going to step up it will require him operating under duress.

And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker.

But he does beautiful, difficult, athletic things too. And I think he's improving his anility to read defenses pre snap, and playing a little better vs zone defenses.

Part of his apparent regression year two could well be that he is consistently facing the types of defenses (scheme and tactics) he struggled with the most as a rookie.

Having a "wet behind the ears" OC has been a challenge too for the offense and Jones.

But there's plenty of plays when I yell at the TV and yell at him: "Jones YOU SUCK!"

how most of this board can only view Jones (and other picks) in 2 extremes. Why is he either the definitive answer or a colossal bust, not even halfway into his 2nd season?

I am extremely frustrated with him, the offense, and the team in general. But, every week he makes plays that give us hope and make us see why we took him at #6. However, every week he also makes plays that make us see why others questioned taking him at #6. Is he great? No. Is it a no brainers that he will be our QB 5 or 10 years from now? No. BUT, itnis also not a no brainers that he will be a forgotten name 5 years from now. I have been highly critical of him, but a complete and utter disaster? Come on!

Like, maybe, have a 200 yd passing game ? The production from the QB position has been awful and it cannot continue. Many teams lack talent at WR but not many teams are passing for 112 yds every week. Jones play has been painful to watch and all the big throws he made last year seem like a distant memory. I think Garrett shares some blame for this but DJ is playing himself out of a job.

In comment 15013974 jlukes said:

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The Corpse of Golden Tate Evan Engram (who couldn't get separation if he served the defender with divorce papers) Austin Mack (who?) CJ Board (Special Teamer and injured) Those were Jones' main passing targets yesterday

Let’s add in the worst tackle duo in the NFL. A below average center and our best offensive lineman is Zietler and he’s ranked 32nd out of all guards. In other words our best offensive lineman is an average player. No run game which eliminates play action etc. Anyone who blames jones should just stop watching football. The amount of plays that he makes to avoid sacks is incredible.

should be at least 2 more by 5PM.

Get a fucking clue

The only thing that is an utter and complete disaster is this thread

to Daniel Jones.

Handed him the franchise and all of this kind of nonsense that goes along with it.

If certain fans aren't crying relentlessly about the team's quarterback they don't feel complete. It's like a bizarre identity.

he needs to run more whether ad-lib or designed. It will keep defenders on their heels and possibly open up the passing game a little.

In comment 15014034 BlueLou'sBack said:

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And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker.

I agree, that's what's so frustrating.

Same thing with the defense, the occasional amazing play followed by mediocre play, mental mistakes or just plain bad.

The same can apply to Andrew Thomas too I guess.

You can't ignore them. He's not going to be a starting QB for long in this league if he continues to be careless with the ball.

In comment 15014096 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 15014034 BlueLou'sBack said: Quote: And he certainly needs to process faster and get through 3 target reads a LOT quicker. I agree, that's what's so frustrating. Same thing with the defense, the occasional amazing play followed by mediocre play, mental mistakes or just plain bad. The same can apply to Andrew Thomas too I guess.

Its called being young players. Consistency comes with experience. The positive is that they are showing potential, and they are

Went 16/35 160 yards and 0 TDs and 2 INTs. That's what happens when you get pressured all the time. Daniel Jones is good. I refuse to buy into the BS.

to Daniel Jones.

That HAS to stop. They had a beautiful drive yesterday, held the ball for most of the 3rd quarter and got no points out of it. He did the same thing v Pitt. He has got to clean that up.

Yesterday, regardless of what the stats who? The entire NFL world knows that was not an INT.

He managed the game well, had a 49 yard run (Cam Newton got a BJ for 10 years for the same nonsense total stats), has 1 weapon in Slayton on a terrible wheel.

WE WON! SIT DOWN! SHUT UP! (Arnold S quote)

the guy is running for his life on almost every play.

In comment 15014005 Black_Flag said:

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Eli threw him a game winning 45 yard bomb last year. IT looks like Gettle won the mid round lotto with him. Then again for every 1 like Slayton how many Jabrill Peppers moves has he done?

You mean when Dorsey left the deal on the table for weeks and finally ADDED Peppers to the deal after we passed on giving the richest safety contract in the league to our “1st Team All-Pro”? That, in your opinion, is the epitome of Gettleman’s, I’m guessing, negative value added moves?

Nah, you can do better, there’s so much more damning ammo out there.

Jokes aside, I’m pretty sure he wanted Peppers added to the deal to be a place holder. He had a lot of spots to fill and probably didn’t want to use a top 100 pick on a safety or be forced to start Sean Chandler. He probably had no intention or expectation that Peppers would be anything other than a starter with unidentified upside. That way he could possibly wait till 2020 before he invested resources into the position, yakno, in order to find a replacement for the projected non all-pro starter at safety...

HUGE TANGENT, might delete later, but yeah... rip him a new one dude

In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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to Daniel Jones.

It's actually a good point, and one that I was going to make before it was. Nobody is saying Jones is comparable to Rodgers in accomplishments and ability. The point is that as good as Rodgers is (Super Bowl winner, HOF QB, MVP, etc), he looked like absolute dogshit yesterday because his OL and others around him were not doing their jobs. Yet, we are supposed to expect Jones to be all-world with no WR, and being contstantly under pressure?

In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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to Daniel Jones.

thank you

This discussion is very reminiscent of Eli's Rookie year
Eli was considered a bust

He started to turn it around with a win against Dallas.
But until that point the fans were ready to jettison him.

A player is never as bad as he appears and never as good as he appears

Football is the ultimate team sport and it takes a team to succeed.

Jones has demonstrated some great athleticism and passing prowess but his decision making is lacking.
that is too be expected


lets see how he does as he gets more familiar with Garretts system .

which, tbh, if the referees had done their job correctly would not have hurt them, Jones had a pretty good game yesterday.

So there’s that.

but I feel like the last few games Jones has put together several really nice long drives. More than previous anyway. But I would need to check to see if Dixon was being used progressively less as each week goes on.

In comment 15014176 KDavies said:

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In comment 15014138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: to Daniel Jones. It's actually a good point, and one that I was going to make before it was. Nobody is saying Jones is comparable to Rodgers in accomplishments and ability. The point is that as good as Rodgers is (Super Bowl winner, HOF QB, MVP, etc), he looked like absolute dogshit yesterday because his OL and others around him were not doing their jobs. Yet, we are supposed to expect Jones to be all-world with no WR, and being contstantly under pressure?

Still not really comparable though, everyone is due to have a bad game. Having six in a row though, usually points to a much deeper malfunction

He was overdrafted, we all know now the GM got buffaloed into jumping at the pick; that does not mean he is close to being a "disaster." Some of his faults, like hoisting it up when in trouble, were faults he had in college. Cutcliffe couldn't correct them so I doubt at this point anyone can. It is what it is. It's not what you expect with the #6 pick, but it's not terrible either, and he does a lot of good things.

So, you work with it. You spend the resources to go get him a DeAndre Hopkins-type so when he does chuck it up there maybe he chucks it in the direction of someone who comes down with a few. You get away from the smallish receivers and load up on big receivers who might not be terribly fast but can win those jump balls. You get him a functional tight end.

And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners.

Bitch and moan all you want about him not being a "franchise qb" whatever that is and understand, this isn't Wilson or Rodgers or Mahomes and yes, he's going to need some particular help.

with the excuses, he is playing like shit. Hopefully he can turn it around

The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too.

We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve.

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The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too. We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve.

and what if he plays like garbage all season? Do you consider Fields or Lance?

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And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners.

I don't believe this to be true anymore. These guys can slide and run without having to take big hits. Look at Russell Wilson. QBs get hurt constantly in the pocket as well. Probably more so. I think the league is moving beyond pocket passers who the D can now tee off on and into dynamic QBs who create with their legs and arms.

In comment 15014136 giant_thoughts said:

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Went 16/35 160 yards and 0 TDs and 2 INTs. That's what happens when you get pressured all the time. Daniel Jones is good. I refuse to buy into the BS.

Thank you.

In comment 15014266 Producer said:

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In comment 15014262 FStubbs said: Quote: The Jets are guaranteed to go 0-16 and Washington is head of us in draft order too. We're stuck with Jones so we need to figure out how to get him to improve. and what if he plays like garbage all season? Do you consider Fields or Lance?

You would be doing the Franchise a disservice by not looking at them as a potential option

In comment 15014202 Bill L said:

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which, tbh, if the referees had done their job correctly would not have hurt them, Jones had a pretty good game yesterday.

What part of the performance was good? The only positive was his running. He threw one td.

His OL leaves him running for his life; his run game is extremely limited; and, he has one guy to throw to who merits starting ability in WR Slayton. He has NOTHING to work with.

However, if the OL continues its incremental improvement and Shepard returns this week I think D. Jones will show better. No QB outside of Mahomes could execute in this offense with its total lack of talent.

The more I see of Jones, the more I get the sinking feeling that he's a guy that will play just well enough that the team will stick with him. I fear becoming a team that wins between 7 and 9 games a year for the next decade. We make a token wild card appearance once every 5 years followed by a first round playoff exit. We never become a true championship contender during his career...just a mediocre team with no real chance of winning it all.

At least if he is a "complete and utter disaster" we'd continue to look for "thee guy".

All any defenders of Jones ever do is point out the lack of talent around him. I'm tired of the excuses. No qb has a perfect pocket on every play, especially maholmes. Their O-line is not that good. He simply has to play better and stop making stupid mistakes that absolutely crush this team. As of now, he's part of the problem and the solution going forward.

sick of "excuses" is just code for being sick of people not agreeing with you.

In comment 15014044 Matt M. said:

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how most of this board can only view Jones (and other picks) in 2 extremes. Why is he either the definitive answer or a colossal bust, not even halfway into his 2nd season? I am extremely frustrated with him, the offense, and the team in general. But, every week he makes plays that give us hope and make us see why we took him at #6. However, every week he also makes plays that make us see why others questioned taking him at #6. Is he great? No. Is it a no brainers that he will be our QB 5 or 10 years from now? No. BUT, itnis also not a no brainers that he will be a forgotten name 5 years from now. I have been highly critical of him, but a complete and utter disaster? Come on!

Excellent post

In comment 15014273 family progtitioner said:

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In comment 15014241 HomerJones45 said: Quote: And no, I don't want to see him doing a lot of running. Everyone loves a running qb until they are on the sideline on crutches. And that's not an "if", that's a "when." The qb's who do a lot of running are the ones who aren't very good at throwing. The qb's who last a long time are not runners. I don't believe this to be true anymore. These guys can slide and run without having to take big hits. Look at Russell Wilson. QBs get hurt constantly in the pocket as well. Probably more so. I think the league is moving beyond pocket passers who the D can now tee off on and into dynamic QBs who create with their legs and arms.

Were you paying attention to Prescott? Every year a couple of these running qb's misses significant time with injuries or are less effective because they are gimpy from a lower leg injury. Everyone loves the running qb until they are on crutches on the sideline.

You mean pocket passers like Rothelisberger? Brady? Brees? Rivers? These guys are all playing age 38+. There's a reason for that. Is the new rage Herbert, a runner?

A rookie WR who is playing well. The corpse of AJ Green. An average Tyler Boyd. Burrow has even been sacked 7 more times than Jones, and yet their offense looks way more functional than whatever the Giants throw out there.