The "win" yesterday felt like a loss because we are not officially out of the running for Lawerence. Jones continually makes bad decisions and is on pace for the worst "starting QB" statistical season in NFL history.
Through 6 games, he has 889 yards, 2TDs and 5 picks..
Over a 16 game season, that translates to 2371 yards, 5.3 Tds, and 13.3 picks.
This is the guy we drafted 6th overall....and I didn't even mention the fumbles. A complete and utter joke. I don't care about the "lack of talent" around him. The greats elevate the team around them. Jones continually does the opposite.
We are officially in QB hell.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots
Mixon is legit one the best backs in the league stuck behind a pourous offensive line. Boyd is like Shephard, but actually stays on the field. TJ Higgins is infinetly better than anything else we have. Green and Slayton are probably a wash at this point, and they actually do very different things. This guy is an idiot.
In order for that happen - the Giants have to fail miserably. It's the only way I can see ownership doing a complete tear down. DG will/must be a big part of that tear down.
Once there's no DG - there isn't the same level of commitment to Jones and if that's the case, with a chance to draft a guy like Lawerence, I think a new GM will jump at the chance to start completely over with what many believe to be a generational QB.
I like DJ and I think he can be a really good QB in the NFL, but I think he's the victim of circumstance in this whole thing and he's gone next year.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
This Eli shit again? The case can be made that no high profile QB really came out of any of the subsequent draft classes. Or we're you just going to cut him and start Alex Tanney ?
Explain to me how you maximize Barkley's talent. The only way to do it is like special 3rd down back or as a slot back. He is not an NFL running back. Not a starter anyway.
I can't argue with Resume Dave that guy just sucks.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??
Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.
But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
The last game I went to in person, I did.
Rodgers is a HOF QB with a cannon for an arm and makes plays even with pressure directly in his face, throwing across his body, in snow and wind.
In those same elements, I got to see how weak Jones arm was compared to someone 15 years older than him, with a history of injuries.
Yeah, it's really not fair.
He only threw the ball 19 times and completed 12 of them! Now too many QBs would have numbers any bigger then that given the amount of passes attempted. Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers. Can't go by 112 yards. My issue with Jones yesterday was the INT in the end zone. Regardless if whether it was an INT or not, you can't throw that ball there. It either has to be sidelines or in the stands behind the end zone. Defense couldn't get off the field yesterday on 3rd down and that just reduces the amount of Ops this offense has too. Complimentary foitball!
Well, he forgot to look in the rushing stats in the box score because Jones had 74 yards rushing, but I guess that doesn't count.
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??
Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.
But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.
Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
You lose a lot of credibility when say mixon is barely better than freeman. A lot. A real lot. lots and lots
Their production throughout their career, including this year is nearly identical.
Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers.
There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers
Can't go by 112 yards.nd you'd see much better numbers.
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and more interceptions.......sigh
Double the attempts and you'd see much better numbers.
There are only 4 quarters in a football game you know. And when you never throw the ball more than 15 feet and it takes you one hour to drive down the field which nearly always results in an int or a fumble ...no you would not see better numbers
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Can't go by 112 yards.nd you'd see much better numbers.
They aren't entirely correct. It's 7 fumbles lost. He's fumbled 22 times.
For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.
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19 career games, 18 interceptions, 7 fumbles. If those numbers are correct, it's way too many.
For whatever it means to anyone, Tannenbaum opined on The Michael Kay Show he could see Jones getting benched if the turnover problem doesn't get better soon.
The only problem with that is that the front office didn't bring in any real competition. They didn't want to challenge Jones's scholarship.
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??
Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.
But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.
Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??
Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.
Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.
EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017
You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion
You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.
But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??
Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.
But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.
Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.
You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??
Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.
Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.
EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017
You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion
You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.
But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.
The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.
But no way am I stupid enough to conclude that Jones is a complete and utter disaster
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Between being right and being proven right.
What cases can be made that holding on to Eli didn’t set us back?
What case can be made that we haven’t been able to maximize Barkley’s talent?
What case can be made for Gettleman being a good hire?
So if we got rid of Eli and drafted Darnold, we'd be well ahead of where we are today??
Dead on can mean whatever ou want, but there are a lot of outcomes from moving on from Eli in 2017 that don't put us anywhere else than where we are today.
But you'd probably have to stop patting yourself on the back to think about that.
The last statement is pretty ironic coming from you.
Who said anything about taking Darnold. Who said anything about getting rid of Eli in 2017? I said they had to start planning for the future, they didn’t that’s not debatable. They tried to win and the moves they made set the team back.
So at the beginning of 2017, we were in the playoffs, and Eli was literally the only player on offense that showed up. So I’m going to hopefully assume you’re referring to the 2017 season.
You are saying they weren’t planning for the future at that time and that maybe they should’ve blown up the team? Try to spark a rebuild by, let’s say, starting a fire sale before the trade deadline??
Yes, of course, trading JPP, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, cutting Cromartie, are all things a team does to make a run at the Super Bowl.
Yup, you were dead fckin on. I bet you were the only one who could see us becoming this bad. Never mind that earlier that season, Ranaan brought a WHOLE LIST of a DECADE of failed late round picks to a press conference because Reese had the balls to say he was making shit up.
EVERYONE WAS NEGATIVE IN 2017
You are neither the minority nor the contrary opinion
You can literally just watch reruns of ESPN to hear every “dead on” point you’ve made so far.
But yeah, back on topic, OP’s opinion stinks.
The 2017 Giants started 1-6 and then they went into the next offseason trying to build a playoff team.
Oh yeah - how did they do that? I am still waiting to hear your brilliant analysis. So specifically before 2018 you are saying they cut Eli and do a complete reworking of the team? Sounds like they did anyway so what the hell are you even blathering about?
Did anyone watch the OL film that guy does where he breaks down our OL play. ANYTHING that happened, DJ had to do on his own, scrambling, avoiding, making fast throws with guys in his face, on his legs. Just insane.
Add to that the guy also pointed out all our routes break at the same time, so if the 1st guy is not open (and, let's face it, he isn't) by the time he looks to the next guy, his break has happened and the DB is caught up. Too often.
Now, add to that we've had virtually no run game. Actually, the run game we DO have is DJ himself mostly. So, that means PA Passing is not going to give the space is should. They can just play the run on the way to the QB.
His WRs are some of the worst in the league as a unit.
So, honestly, I don't know who'd do much better with his crappy team right now. Give the kid a little time and a WR open, I think he might be fine.
He absolutely needs to stop the fumbling (it'd be nice if he didn't get his all the f'ing time though). He's learning to get rid of it and give up on plays when needed. He should have benched the INT but that was a shit call by the refs.
He may need to read faster, but he's in game 5 in his third O in 3 years counting Duke. And the O is learning together.
I think some of the picks are because he has to force some stuff. He's freakin' courageous, stands in, throws in the face of the rush, and he has to because if he didn't, if he Eli balled up, we'd have 3 & out's exclusively. So he has to forces things. That's going to lead to TOs.
Again, is he the answer for sure? I don't know. But how anyone can say he's a disaster with his surrounding cast is beyond me. I think he's elevating them some, and they're still this bad which says how bad they really are. Again, watch the tape from Dallas. He made some amazing plays under pressure just to have us in that game.
Just a silly statement.
Sure, he has had some nice drives but then he throws the ball up and it's not the result of a bad throw 100%, it's a dumb decision on his part that is costly and then results in a turnover in the red zone. Too bad there isn't a tight end who is near the 6 foot 6 range who could be a good red zone target. Oh wait, I'm missing someone.
If it wasn't for the defense and well Washington being as stupid as they are, this "I score one touchdown a game on offense" team would be 0-6.
Yeah. Danny Dimes is the future.
The real difference makers are the guys who can off script and still make plays. Either by arm or legs. You just need that because finding reliable OLs continues to be a big challenge. Right now I have little confidence Jones is that type of player.
1995 Brown: 55.7%, 2814 yds, 11 TDs/10 INTs, 73.1 rating
2020 Jones (at current rates over 16 games): 61.2%, 3261 yds, 8 TDs/16 INTs, 71.0 rating
Man, I was way off base!