Be honest.. were you rooting for the Redskins to convert?

You're really an angry dude. Watching you go off the rails might be entertaining, lol.

To the OP, of course you root for the wins while they matter. If this team is 2-13 and playing for #1 overall pick, I'd rather they lose that game and set up with higher draft picks.

It's not rocket science, dudes.

I am a Giants fan, but I don’t like the way the Giants have run their team for a long time. The Giants need a full house cleaning and Mara needs to be no part of any coaching or personnel acquisitions. They need to lose, lose, lose, because that is what the management of this team deserves. Those were 2 pretty talent-bereft teams playing out there yeaterday. At least Riverboat Ron is an experienced head coach with some conviction. Judge should be tied to Gettelman and both better be gone at the end of the season if not sooner.

During the week when just talking about the Giants, I tend to look at the long term. Almost mentally preparing for a loss with a (at least we'll get a good draft pick or this will force a change in the front office), but during the actual game, I can't do it. Even in games during seasons where the Giants are in a year where they won't see January. I still find myself rooting for the Giants to succeed. When Jones was picked off in the endzone, I reacted with anger that the play was overturned. I was just as deflated with that play. The sequence of events where WFT punted and downed it at the 1. Then after the penalty, them converting the 4th down and scoring a TD, I was disappointed.

I am not sure if this makes sense but I guess when it comes to game time, I just want the Giants to win. Even though Rivers curiously went for 2, when they failed, my organic reaction was joy. Peppers doing flips is a little odd in retrospect but it's a Giants win and it felt good.

Fans may say - well if they convert or kick the extra point, the Giants may lose. Hey even Daniel Jones first win, Tampa Bay missed a very makeable field goal. We also had 2 loses to Philly and Carolina on back to back years when a kicker nailed a 60 plus yarder. We are going to be gifted and screwed.

**correction

They played poorly against an awful opponent. I wasn't rooting for a loss, but winning this particular game in that manner hardly seemed cause for celebration.

we discussed the 6 game stretch of some winnable games for this team to see if they can hang around, because it would appear that the division is going to be competitive all year...let's see what happens to Dallas tonight and then hey, if we can get a win at Philly ya never know. Let's see what happens to Dallas tonight.

Lose the battle, win the war. 0-16 would have pretty much sealed DGs fate, and they'd get the first pick. That's franchise altering. Just like the Chase Young sweepstakes last year, this win was horrible for the bigger picture.

And before someone quotes this saying "building a winning culture is more important!" Please tell me how that's worked out the last couple of seasons? These type of feel good wins have heretofore not lead to this winning culture.

"The Chase Young Sweepstakes". Still laughable

years draft. Of course he is only generational until next years draft when many on here will be telling us of more cant' miss "generational" players. Wasn't Isaiah Simmons generational last year? I guess he's being generationally great on the bench.

Rooting to lose .... IF we did end up with the first round pick there is a 90% chance we do NOT draft another QB.

It was a boring game at best. When I flipped to another game afterwards, and another for a few moments it had more energy, speed, and excitement than our entire game as a whole.

Our journey is uphill, but within the NFC Least anything seems possible.

The Giants are in dire need of elite talent and a higher pick will help get us that talent.

More specifically, getting Lawrence (the most hyped QB prospect since Luck) can help us be a contender for a decade plus.

In comment 15014233 PatersonPlank said:

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years draft. Of course he is only generational until next years draft when many on here will be telling us of more cant' miss "generational" players. Wasn't Isaiah Simmons generational last year? I guess he's being generationally great on the bench.

I thought you watched college football Plank? I remember back in the day, we'd discuss Rutgers when they were relevant.

Trevor is would go above every QB drafted in the top 5 dating back to, arguably, Luck or Newton. And like I said, it's arguable he'd actually go ahead of them.

Every player drafted high presents some sort of risk. What is the point you're trying to make? Trevor Lawrence could be a bust, so beating the WFT year after year to miss out on better players is worth it?

Which of the following, in hindsight, would you prefer: -- losing in OT to the Skins last year and having Chase Young, or beating them and having to pick Thomas out of the 4 OTs?

Do you think back to that Skins OT game and smile? Is it some cherished Giants memory? Does it make you feel any better about the shitshow of a season they had last year?

I don't even get the argument that beating WFT is better long term for the franchise.

WFT sucks, defeating them is not an indicator of anything. The only positive is that Judge got his first win and the proverbial monkey off his back. I just wish that happened against a team where a victory allowed us to actually draw literally any other positive from the game.

Wasn’t rooting for a loss but wouldn’t have been devastated. I want them to win but they are so devoid of talent that a high draft pick sounds most enticing.

However, very happy for JJ for the win and C.J. for the good medical news

In comment 15014248 Simms said:

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Rooting to lose .... IF we did end up with the first round pick there is a 90% chance we do NOT draft another QB. It was a boring game at best. When I flipped to another game afterwards, and another for a few moments it had more energy, speed, and excitement than our entire game as a whole. Our journey is uphill, but within the NFC Least anything seems possible.

This is completely false. In fact, it's the opposite. If they get the 1OA pick, there's a 90% chance (probably higher) that they DO take Lawrence.

In what world do the Giants pass on Lawrence to keep Daniel Jones if they were bad enough to get the 1OA pick? They should consider moving on from Jones if they get the 3rd OA pick and Fields is on the board (if he has another great season).

I am a Giants fan, but I don’t like the way the Giants have run their team for a long time. The Giants need a full house cleaning and Mara needs to be no part of any coaching or personnel acquisitions. They need to lose, lose, lose, because that is what the management of this team deserves. Those were 2 pretty talent-bereft teams playing out there yeaterday. At least Riverboat Ron is an experienced head coach with some conviction. Judge should be tied to Gettelman and both better be gone at the end of the season if not sooner.

I think making a stand and winning the game in a high pressure situation might be good for the team.

I thought we'd LOSE by a point, 24-23, as I didn't think we'd generate enough offense against their pass rush. But due to D. Jones legs and our winning the turnover battle despite the soft lob out of bounds that was intercepted, We Won and we needed the Win to get the wheels spinning forward!

Look, the loss to Cowboys sunk me cause I felt that we were sort of "robbed" by the refs as well as allowing our defense to "once again" fail late 4th quarter. I felt if we had won that game and beat Washington, who knows how far we could go in this pathetic, weak division.

The key now is to WR Shepard back for Thursday night and to somehow beat the Eagles in their house. I don't care how we win (ST's score, defensive score, turnovers, D. Jones runs, whatever...) but just win. Then you have a few extra days to review film and possibly "coach up" some of the young guys to get them in the right position to perform.

Get to 2 - 5; stay healthy (I pray Barkley returns to 100% for next year); and, build a positive environment.

But I did think they would convert the two point conversion and was pretty surprised that they didn't convert it, and that there was no flag thrown on the play against us like there usually seems to be on the rare occasion we make an actual play. So, I was surprised.

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With some time to reflect on it I am happy Judge got a win. 0-16 start to his career would be hard to come back from. 1-15 is manageable though.

In comment 15014276 Glover said:

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I am a Giants fan, but I don’t like the way the Giants have run their team for a long time. The Giants need a full house cleaning and Mara needs to be no part of any coaching or personnel acquisitions. They need to lose, lose, lose, because that is what the management of this team deserves. Those were 2 pretty talent-bereft teams playing out there yeaterday. At least Riverboat Ron is an experienced head coach with some conviction. Judge should be tied to Gettelman and both better be gone at the end of the season if not sooner.

Wow.

Some of you lovely people make Ninester look like a Giants fan.

Get real lives and stop trolling Giants fan boards.

He just doesn't want to make it obvious he is tanking.

Wad only a consolation prize for me. Winning for a young team is valuable. A young team needs confidence. Peart's performance was a higher shot in the arm for me. It might have been the best LT performance in a number of years for us. It was the kid's first start.

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He just doesn't want to make it obvious he is tanking.

Please, if he wanted to do that he would have stuck with Haskins. He bailed on him early because he sees exactly what the NFC East is, a division that will be won with 7 wins. As a defensive guy he has faith he can keep them in enough ball games to get there.

It didn't work. It wasn't some draft related ploy.

so Jones would get a crack in OT to lead the team to a W.

I knew The Football Team was going for the two-point conversion well before they scored the touchdown.

I was surprised the Giants defense stopped them though. Was I rooting for the Giants to lose? No.

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...deserves to fail and deserves to lose his job. A win would have tied Washington for first in the NFC East. Divisional games are the MOST critical for any team - being so cavalier with his teams future, the average NFL 2-point conversion success rate below 50%, Washington fans deservingly are calling for his head today. Incompetent franchises ruin the sport.

That's not the correct way to look at it. You have to factor in odds of winning in overtime with an XP, odds of losing in overtime with an XP, odds of winning in regulation with 2 pointer, etc. It may have been that going for 2 gave them the best odds to win the game. You can't look at it as the league average on 2s is below 50 therefore it was a dumb choice.

I personally had no issue with the decision. Look what happened to Houston in OT vs Titans. They didn't even get a chance to score to win the game. If Ron wasn't feeling his defense, with propensity to give up big play and all, that's a factor as well.

I have no problem rooting for losses

But week 6 in this division?

Not for a second.

Been there done that late in seasons when I knew Giants needed a quarterback.

Sucks to be there as fan.

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I have no problem rooting for losses But week 6 in this division?

Week 6. 0-5. 0-1 in the division. Playing a 1-4 team and in a dogfight.

Many of you who say I'm a shitty fan because there are still games left to be played are also the ones who predicted the Giants 3-13, 4-12, 5-11 record this year. So.. which is it?

If you were you are a pathetic 🤡.

In comment 15014520 BH28 said:

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In comment 15014074 x meadowlander said: Quote: ...deserves to fail and deserves to lose his job. A win would have tied Washington for first in the NFC East. Divisional games are the MOST critical for any team - being so cavalier with his teams future, the average NFL 2-point conversion success rate below 50%, Washington fans deservingly are calling for his head today. Incompetent franchises ruin the sport. That's not the correct way to look at it. You have to factor in odds of winning in overtime with an XP, odds of losing in overtime with an XP, odds of winning in regulation with 2 pointer, etc. It may have been that going for 2 gave them the best odds to win the game. You can't look at it as the league average on 2s is below 50 therefore it was a dumb choice. I personally had no issue with the decision. Look what happened to Houston in OT vs Titans. They didn't even get a chance to score to win the game. If Ron wasn't feeling his defense, with propensity to give up big play and all, that's a factor as well.

Giants Offense put up a mighty 13 points. Daniel Jones huge run and the fumble-TD aside, Giants hardly were overwhelming on offense. Redskins had MOMENTUM - to me, odds are - regardless of coin toss, they're winning that game with a FG if it goes to OT.

I don't know what he's thinking there - perhaps the fact that 5 of the Giants last 13 wins had him scared.

Unbelievably stupid decision, IMO.

I predicted 2-14 but those two wins were forecasted against the Washington Football Team.

But would like to have seen the Giants maybe win it in OT.

Won't argue with the win though as its only happened 13 times in the past three and half years.

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If you were you are a pathetic 🤡.

Don't know which dupe you are.. but you entertain me.

In comment 15014563 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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In comment 15014528 Giants in 07 said: Quote: I have no problem rooting for losses But week 6 in this division? Week 6. 0-5. 0-1 in the division. Playing a 1-4 team and in a dogfight. Many of you who say I'm a shitty fan because there are still games left to be played are also the ones who predicted the Giants 3-13, 4-12, 5-11 record this year. So.. which is it?

Uh, both? You are allowed to make a prediction but still root for your team to make a stop with the game on the line.. aren't you?

You wanna root for losses for three months.. have a ball. I do it too sometimes and think it's silly when people say that makes someone a bad fan. But not in week 6 when we have a young team that needs to learn how to win close games and a QB that needs confidence.

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You wanna root for losses for three months.. have a ball. I do it too sometimes and think it's silly when people say that makes someone a bad fan. But not in week 6 when we have a young team that needs to learn how to win close games and a QB that needs confidence.

Fair enough. I understand what you're saying.

Another one of these threads! I havent heard about how much better off the Giants would be with draft picks over wins in a half a day!

who are rooting for losses. It was all over the game thread yesterday.

You have to start trying to win games. Playing to lose for the first pick in the draft is a loser's mentality. Fuck that..

1.You play to win....period

2.You start winning to develop a winning attitude on the roster

3.You start winning to give the team and the players confidence

4.You start winning to show some promise to the fans and also to potential free agents who also care about winning vs coming here only for a paycheck. Otherwise, all you have each year are a couple of draft picks.

You idiots are looking forward to destroying progress for a few draft positions?

Idiots...

I hate irrelevant games. I hate playing spoiler, that's for losers. That's literally what loser teams do. Now if the Giants are toe to toe with Philly or Dallas in week 17 of the season, then fine with me. But, yeah right. If it were up to the Giants to pull of a win in week 17 or something to knock out Philly I'd put my house, my girlfriend, my parents and my uncle Joe on the Giants losing that hypothetical game.

I'll admit it. I want every year to be like 2008 where we're going into December thinking about who the potential opponents will be for the playoffs and mapping out byes and home field advantage.

These 3-5 win seasons over this disaster of a near decade wouldn't sting as much if the results weren't Eli Apple, Flowers and guys like Engram, Thomas, and .... Jones (yeah, I said it) where we have to wait 7 years to see their "possibilities."

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who are rooting for losses. It was all over the game thread yesterday.

Rooting for losses? Or tired of seeing the losses and want change? If the Giants were 2-3 heading into yesterday I'm all in. But in a dogfight against a 1-4 team with a backup QB? I'm considering the ramifications of a win vs a loss. Sue me.

In comment 15014570 x meadowlander said:

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In comment 15014520 BH28 said: Quote: In comment 15014074 x meadowlander said: Quote: ...deserves to fail and deserves to lose his job. A win would have tied Washington for first in the NFC East. Divisional games are the MOST critical for any team - being so cavalier with his teams future, the average NFL 2-point conversion success rate below 50%, Washington fans deservingly are calling for his head today. Incompetent franchises ruin the sport. That's not the correct way to look at it. You have to factor in odds of winning in overtime with an XP, odds of losing in overtime with an XP, odds of winning in regulation with 2 pointer, etc. It may have been that going for 2 gave them the best odds to win the game. You can't look at it as the league average on 2s is below 50 therefore it was a dumb choice. I personally had no issue with the decision. Look what happened to Houston in OT vs Titans. They didn't even get a chance to score to win the game. If Ron wasn't feeling his defense, with propensity to give up big play and all, that's a factor as well. Giants Offense put up a mighty 13 points. Daniel Jones huge run and the fumble-TD aside, Giants hardly were overwhelming on offense. Redskins had MOMENTUM - to me, odds are - regardless of coin toss, they're winning that game with a FG if it goes to OT. I don't know what he's thinking there - perhaps the fact that 5 of the Giants last 13 wins had him scared. Unbelievably stupid decision, IMO.

It's kind of funny, I had the exact opposite reaction of you. Allen had just fumbled a defensive touchdown, to that point, you had a whopping 13 offensive points, the giants had 10 points off turnovers, scoring opportunities seemed few and far between for them.

But I also think Judge should have gone for it on that 4th down. With teams that don't move the ball well, you have to, IMO, take very opportunity to maximize the points you get.

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who are rooting for losses. It was all over the game thread yesterday. You have to start trying to win games. Playing to lose for the first pick in the draft is a loser's mentality. Fuck that.. 1.You play to win....period 2.You start winning to develop a winning attitude on the roster 3.You start winning to give the team and the players confidence 4.You start winning to show some promise to the fans and also to potential free agents who also care about winning vs coming here only for a paycheck. Otherwise, all you have each year are a couple of draft picks. You idiots are looking forward to destroying progress for a few draft positions? Idiots...

Another season. Another first mid-October win.

Destroying progression is what this team has been continuously doing since late 2012.

In comment 15014759 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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In comment 15014748 EricJ said: Quote: who are rooting for losses. It was all over the game thread yesterday. Rooting for losses? Or tired of seeing the losses and want change? If the Giants were 2-3 heading into yesterday I'm all in. But in a dogfight against a 1-4 team with a backup QB? I'm considering the ramifications of a win vs a loss. Sue me.

I don't need to sue you and you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else. I can just say you are as much of a loser as the rest of those who share your thoughts on this.

Playing for a draft pick... unreal

so I can relax and witness the Monday morning brawls from the BBI historical society.

I'll panic at the same time next year when the Giants are 0-6 again because in the off-season David Gettleman decided to trade Barkley for a defensive tackle.

if he did I might not hate him as much

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if he did I might not hate him as much

When you are in the midst of a debate and either hate or love enters the equation, one would tend to have an irrational or biased grasp of the situation.

The QBs playing the best from the last 3 drafts were both drafted later then some of the 'generational' talents taken ahead of them. And was our team permanently ruined by not having a chance at Young last year?

In my limited, uninformed observations of TL, he actually does seem like the player everyone says he is. He might be that good. But there is no way we are going to have a worse record than the Jets. First they have an easier strength of schedule. Second, the HC seems fine with losing and management seems to be on board. They are having a fire sale already. How would that happen with the Giants? Judge is OK losing every game? Mara needs to phone down to the sideline and get the coaches/players to lose the game? How would this even work? I don't get it. There will be more than enough evidence to pass judgement on DG whether we have 0, 1, 2 or 3 wins. The talent just isn't there yet. That is clear to see.

We won in very unconvincing fashion. True....but I don't think the Rams are beating themselves up over the fact that the Giants got close and dominated the second half. It's a win. And we have football.....in the middle of a horrible pandemic. Sit back, listen to sports talk, read BBI, and....enjoy it :)

Just my 2 cents....