lack of offensive talent because of poor drafting and injuries as some type of excuse. Now, I have no problem saying that person will not get to peak performance because of things like injuries and lack of offensive talent, but and here is the big but, when you have a franchise qb isn't he supposed to elevate bad talent. Not to put up nearly the same numbers as if he had great talent or even above average talent, but my concern with Jones is that he is not at all elevating anybody with his game. 2 TDS and 5 INTS. The offense moves at a snail's pace in a league where teams are going up and down the field. I loved when we drafted Daniel Jones and loved what I saw last year, but the fact remains this year has been a major step backward when it was supposed to be a step forward, even with the new system and COVID eating up practice time. He literally has no pocket awareness and that has not changed. Why will it change going forward.
Now, the team I hate the most is the Eagles and they have Carson Wentz, who I think, for a time was overrated, but he makes plays and elevates the mediocre talent around him. And, while he probably is not an elite qb, he is a franchise qb . Wentz is playing without an offensive line, without any of his starting receivers, without Goedert who is now by far his best TE. He is completing passes to John Hightower, Travis Fulgham, Richard Rodgers, Greg Ward, guys that were on practice squad's in the last year or two.
If Jones truly is our guy to build around (the definition of a franchise qb) he really needs to elevate the talent around him. So far, I have seen nothing to lead me to believe that is what he is doing and that also leads me to seriously question if he is the right guy going forward. Now, he will have the rest of the year in my mind (and most likely next year) to change this course, but the present course is very concerning.
Daniel Jones is our leading rusher.
His team puts up points every week. Is his numbers outstanding? No, his. numbers stink, but at least the team can function. Our offense can't function
Daniel Jones is our leading rusher.
Indictment of the man assembling the roster.
The God damn Jets
I don't know, but Greg Ward, John Hightower, Travis Fulgham, are names nobody on this board had ever heard of before like week 13 of last year and later. His offensive line is literally all backups and some third stringers besides Kelce. He does still have Ertz, but something is off with Ertz. I just want people to recognize that we don't expect Jones to put up flashy numbers with these weapons, but at least show us that you can elevate some of these players.
This Giants offense is last or 2nd to last in every possible metric you can find.
It's not about coaching. It's about lack of talent, evaluating talent, roster building and depth.
I am willing to concede that Pederson is a great coach and makes a lot of adjustments at the half that really makes hi offense function. We have seen that in our last two games in Philly about what a difference the first half makes versus the second half. yesterday, they were woeful against the Ravens and then halftime came they were able to fix it. Even the week before against the Steelers. I watch all our division foes on Gamepass every Monday morning and I am always struck by how well the Eagles are coached and make half time adjustments. I hope we can emulate that model for sure.
Have you actually watched Carson Wentz play this year?
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Have you actually watched Carson Wentz play this year?
I have watched him play and he has been awful in terms of statistical metrics, but it is a different awful than Jones. An awful you can excuse because of talent issues. An awful where his offense does not look stagnant all the time. An offense that out up nearly thirty points against the Ravens and Steelers. He has been a turnover machine and a lot of that is because he forces the issue (and I have started threads about his fumbling issues and how I think he does not get near the crap he deserves whereas Jones gets killed every week for the same problem).
People can talk all they want about Deshaun Watson, but is he elevating players, especially without Hopkins? Has Phillip Rivers done that? Is Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?
Outside of Rodgers, Mahomes and Brady, are QB's routinely "elevating" the play of their receivers?
Shepard has to be back, isn't the dead money like 10 million if we cut him before 2022.
Pre-injury absolutely. post-injuries is obviously a different story (though still close), but hard to blame the GM for skill position player injuries which I assume is what you were doing when you blamed Jones season on his skill position players (or lack there of).
More importantly IMO for the Giants is it's basically the same team as last year but a better RB since Freeman is better than Gallman so I find that excuse convenient anyway.
Barkley is better than any RB on the patriots and it's not really close.
Engram is better than any TE on the Patriots
Slayton, Shepard, Tate, etc. probably equal or I'll even allow a slight drop off from Edelman, Harry, Byrd, but I'd take Slayton today probably over any of them. Maybe N'Keal Harry, but he's done nothing to warrant being above Slayton other than his draft status.
Even without Barkley the Giants compete pretty well vs the Patriots skill position players.
People can talk all they want about Deshaun Watson, but is he elevating players, especially without Hopkins? Has Phillip Rivers done that? Is Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?
Outside of Rodgers, Mahomes and Brady, are QB's routinely "elevating" the play of their receivers?
I agree with that, but would just argue that there is also a spectrum. And, of course, Wentz is not in the Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady category, but franchise qbs will elevate to a certain extent and I think Wentz is the example of a franchise qb whose ability to elevate is not obviously at an elite level like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady, but at a level where he gets his team to score. The difference between Wentz and the other guys you mentioned is accuracy and turnovers, Wentz is going to make it look really ugly (and have negative plays that will hurt his team) too get to thirty points. My concern is that Jones can't get to that intermediate level.
People can talk all they want about Deshaun Watson, but is he elevating players, especially without Hopkins? Has Phillip Rivers done that? Is Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?
Outside of Rodgers, Mahomes and Brady, are QB's routinely "elevating" the play of their receivers?
Pittsburgh is a different team this year with Roethlisberger back.
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Hasn’t elevated anyone this year. Outside of the super bowl year he hasn’t been much more than average.
His team puts up points every week. Is his numbers outstanding? No, his. numbers stink, but at least the team can function. Our offense can't function
THey lost to Washington and have the same about of wins we do. Go root for the eagles. Wentz isn’t good right now. This thread makes no sense