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will make a big run at Joe Harris (paraphrasing). The Nets have his Bird rights so they'll probably keep him at all costs, but he might be my #1 free agent target. Would love to add him.
for Pat Bev. Perfect for a team looking to develop a defensive identity and almost a near-lock you can get back a 1st for him at the deadline from a contender.
For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.
He is not and it’s a good thing he isn’t. He’d be the first overall pick no questions asked. He and Bates are the best teenage prospects in a few years.
For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.
Odds of an impact player at 8 in this draft are very low and the players in the 8-15 range are all going to be roughly the same level of talent/upside.
1) Trades like the Celtics/Knick proposal almost always involve team A drafting at their own slot and then trading said player to team B. If somehow a player slid to 8 that the Knicks loved they would call off the trade.
2) The Celtics aren't giving up a third pick to move up to 8. Completely unrealistic.
Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.
Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.
No. The Celtics are not trading 14, 26, 30 and 47 for the 8th pick in a weak draft. That's a ridiculous bounty to move up 6 spots. Go look up how many trades teams have given up 3 first-round picks to move up and how many involve moving up that late.
seems to indicate he's here for the long haul and not a trade chip as some have suggested. Begley doesn't think Hampton falls to 27, nor do I. I see him going 15-22 range.
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
I would be ok trading for Paul..
If no Paul just stand pat, let the young guys play under Thibs, develop some of these kids and see where we are at after the seaaon..
Drafted guys i want shooters, id keep Gibson and Bullock..
Id like a young Point guard brought in whether Paul comes or not..
I am only doing something big if thenplayer is a star..
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I gave up trying to project NBA salaries years ago. The true max guys (LeBron, Curry, Durant) are underpaid because of the max salaries...so the guys in the levels below them get more than they "should" pretty often.
But I'd rather overpay for guys in their prime or entering their primes as opposed to Paul and/or Westbrook. And it's very difficult to compete in today's NBA without shooters.
I'd probably choose Harris over FVV, but not both of them.
Harris is in his prime, fills a desperate need and fits perfectly with the young guys. He'll always have trade value too, if we need to move him later for a top FA. Ideally you take on salary with picks attached, but I don't trust the Knicks to do that with their cap space.
yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
They dont have many 1sts to trade, they can trade this years pick they got from Indiana
of the world series topped game 1 of the NBA finals in terms of tv ratings. I find that fascinating. I get it that we're in a weird time with sports and everything other than NFL is taking a hit, but that's a bad look for the NBA.
maybe baseball is still more popular then i thought. I do think the NBA hurts its ratings by starting the games so late on the East coast. Im not sure how long you have to watch something for it to register, but i know i struggle to even get to half time sometimes for the nba games that tip off at 9:10.
Also how does streaming factor into ratings these days? Like i watched on the ESPN app because i dont have cable, does it treat me just like i watched it on TV?
but I barely know anyone that follows the NBA. I know plenty of MLB and NHL fans and everyone loves the NFL...but in my circle of friends, co-workers, relatives, I can count the people that watched the finals on one hand. A big part of that clearly has to do with the Knicks not being relevant the way they used to. But I just find it odd I can talk all kinds of sports with people and the NBA just never comes up. I'd bring up the NBA playoff bubble and people have no idea what I'm talking about. And these are people who are at AAU tournaments on the weekend and/or watched every pitch of the Yankee-Rays series.
or start times, lets be real...i am not going to get into it because it is not worth getting into but we know why ratings are down
Without question. I was pretty surprised to hear from people that were 100% turned off by it and wouldn't even watch when I was discussing some of the good games that were happening. Could be a major problem for the NBA moving forward.
I also think the timing really really hurt them. The casual sports fan can only consume so much and football trounces them.
It was tough to stay engaged this season, for sure.
The unprecedented COVID issue, politics, a little Lebron fatigue setting in - plus, there was no dynasty team for the first time in awhile. I always thought it would help if the league was more wide open, but perhaps fans are drawn to the superteams and the quest to knock them off.
We'll see if things bounce back next year - having Golden State back in the mix and KD back on the court should add some drama. NBA desperately needs the Knicks to come around.
I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
RE: I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
agreed, i think it will go back to normal ratings next year, i think people didnt want it shoved down their throats every game, i dont think the nfl is doing that or the nhl or mlb
One of my NBA loving fans have checked out but not for any political reasons. Mostly the Knicks being consistently so bad.
The Knicks being so bad for so long is truly awful for the league as a whole. In 20 years the Knicks have had 1 enjoyable winning season. It's hard to be a fan of that.
I think Pat Riley leaving the Knicks when he did severely hurt the league. Imagine the impact of the Knicks having the Heat success of the past 20 years?
If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.
If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.
Knicks have spoken to Hampton.
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He is not and it’s a good thing he isn’t. He’d be the first overall pick no questions asked. He and Bates are the best teenage prospects in a few years.
Odds of an impact player at 8 in this draft are very low and the players in the 8-15 range are all going to be roughly the same level of talent/upside.
1) Trades like the Celtics/Knick proposal almost always involve team A drafting at their own slot and then trading said player to team B. If somehow a player slid to 8 that the Knicks loved they would call off the trade.
2) The Celtics aren't giving up a third pick to move up to 8. Completely unrealistic.
No. The Celtics are not trading 14, 26, 30 and 47 for the 8th pick in a weak draft. That's a ridiculous bounty to move up 6 spots. Go look up how many trades teams have given up 3 first-round picks to move up and how many involve moving up that late.
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Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.
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How does he keep getting jobs?
Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.
Will he scream about white priveledge like he did after Nash was hired??
This would be fantastic.
They seem to be putting a lot of effort with him
Which they should be doing. I really like Kira Lewis by the way in this years draft.
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
I would be ok trading for Paul..
If no Paul just stand pat, let the young guys play under Thibs, develop some of these kids and see where we are at after the seaaon..
Drafted guys i want shooters, id keep Gibson and Bullock..
Id like a young Point guard brought in whether Paul comes or not..
I am only doing something big if thenplayer is a star..
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I gave up trying to project NBA salaries years ago. The true max guys (LeBron, Curry, Durant) are underpaid because of the max salaries...so the guys in the levels below them get more than they "should" pretty often.
But I'd rather overpay for guys in their prime or entering their primes as opposed to Paul and/or Westbrook. And it's very difficult to compete in today's NBA without shooters.
Is that what that Pacers are asking for?
I just love these random nuggets posted without context.
Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
They dont have many 1sts to trade, they can trade this years pick they got from Indiana
Also how does streaming factor into ratings these days? Like i watched on the ESPN app because i dont have cable, does it treat me just like i watched it on TV?
Without question. I was pretty surprised to hear from people that were 100% turned off by it and wouldn't even watch when I was discussing some of the good games that were happening. Could be a major problem for the NBA moving forward.
I also think the timing really really hurt them. The casual sports fan can only consume so much and football trounces them.
We'll see if things bounce back next year - having Golden State back in the mix and KD back on the court should add some drama. NBA desperately needs the Knicks to come around.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
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I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
agreed, i think it will go back to normal ratings next year, i think people didnt want it shoved down their throats every game, i dont think the nfl is doing that or the nhl or mlb
The Knicks being so bad for so long is truly awful for the league as a whole. In 20 years the Knicks have had 1 enjoyable winning season. It's hard to be a fan of that.
I think Pat Riley leaving the Knicks when he did severely hurt the league. Imagine the impact of the Knicks having the Heat success of the past 20 years?