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NFT: Knicks Chat: Woah this proposal is laughable

DanMetroMan : 10/19/2020 10:21 am
The Trade: Houston Rockets acquire RJ Barrett, Frank Ntilikina, the No. 8 pick in the 2020 draft and the No. 27 pick in the 2020 draft for Russell Westbrook.
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Yeah, it's not IF Boston makes a trade, but with whom.  
bceagle05 : 10/21/2020 12:21 pm : link
They're in a position to target one guy who can help them win the East.
Zach Lowe said teams with cap space  
bceagle05 : 10/21/2020 12:23 pm : link
will make a big run at Joe Harris (paraphrasing). The Nets have his Bird rights so they'll probably keep him at all costs, but he might be my #1 free agent target. Would love to add him.
Desmond Bane is a guy i target at 27  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 12:26 pm : link
Can shoot the lights out..

If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.
27  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 12:27 pm : link
for Pat Bev. Perfect for a team looking to develop a defensive identity and almost a near-lock you can get back a 1st for him at the deadline from a contender.
RE: Desmond Bane is a guy i target at 27  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15016973 nygiants16 said:
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Can shoot the lights out..

If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.


Knicks have spoken to Hampton.
how about this guy?  
Del Shofner : 10/21/2020 12:39 pm : link
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I don’t want #14 & #26  
Carl in CT : 10/21/2020 12:52 pm : link
For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.
RE: how about this guy?  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15016989 Del Shofner said:
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He is not and it’s a good thing he isn’t. He’d be the first overall pick no questions asked. He and Bates are the best teenage prospects in a few years.
RE: I don’t want #14 & #26  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15016999 Carl in CT said:
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For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.


Odds of an impact player at 8 in this draft are very low and the players in the 8-15 range are all going to be roughly the same level of talent/upside.
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DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 1:00 pm : link
more points

1) Trades like the Celtics/Knick proposal almost always involve team A drafting at their own slot and then trading said player to team B. If somehow a player slid to 8 that the Knicks loved they would call off the trade.

2) The Celtics aren't giving up a third pick to move up to 8. Completely unrealistic.
Dan  
Carl in CT : 10/21/2020 1:36 pm : link
Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15017066 Carl in CT said:
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Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.


No. The Celtics are not trading 14, 26, 30 and 47 for the 8th pick in a weak draft. That's a ridiculous bounty to move up 6 spots. Go look up how many trades teams have given up 3 first-round picks to move up and how many involve moving up that late.
This  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 1:49 pm : link
is a ridiculous Mock draft lol.. every Knick fan with a brain would have a party if this happened
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Stan Van Gundy named Pelicans coach  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 2:00 pm : link
How does he keep getting jobs?
RE: Stan Van Gundy named Pelicans coach  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15017089 nygiants16 said:
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How does he keep getting jobs?


Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.
RE: RE: Stan Van Gundy named Pelicans coach  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15017097 DanMetroMan said:
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How does he keep getting jobs?



Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.


Will he scream about white priveledge like he did after Nash was hired??
RE: This  
Heisenberg : 10/21/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15017080 DanMetroMan said:
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is a ridiculous Mock draft lol.. every Knick fan with a brain would have a party if this happened Link - ( New Window )


This would be fantastic.
Woody  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 2:45 pm : link
flew down to Louisiana to work with Robinson. Previously Payne was working with him. The year of Mitch
RE: Woody  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15017119 DanMetroMan said:
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flew down to Louisiana to work with Robinson. Previously Payne was working with him. The year of Mitch


They seem to be putting a lot of effort with him
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 2:50 pm : link
seems to indicate he's here for the long haul and not a trade chip as some have suggested. Begley doesn't think Hampton falls to 27, nor do I. I see him going 15-22 range.
Begley also mention  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 2:51 pm : link
Part of the Knicks thinking is getting players who will fit with Barrett
RE: Begley also mention  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/21/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15017127 nygiants16 said:
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Part of the Knicks thinking is getting players who will fit with Barrett

RE: Begley also mention  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/21/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15017127 nygiants16 said:
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Part of the Knicks thinking is getting players who will fit with Barrett


Which they should be doing. I really like Kira Lewis by the way in this years draft.
Joe Harris  
TyreeHelmet : 10/21/2020 3:13 pm : link
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...

Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
Harris  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 3:15 pm : link
prefers to stay in NY, so that should help the Knicks.
RE: Joe Harris  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15017149 TyreeHelmet said:
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...

Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?


No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
RE: RE: Joe Harris  
TyreeHelmet : 10/21/2020 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15017153 nygiants16 said:
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...

Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?



No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers


Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?

What is your ideal offseason?
RE: RE: RE: Joe Harris  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15017168 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15017149 TyreeHelmet said:


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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...

Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?



No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers



Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?

What is your ideal offseason?


I would be ok trading for Paul..

If no Paul just stand pat, let the young guys play under Thibs, develop some of these kids and see where we are at after the seaaon..

Drafted guys i want shooters, id keep Gibson and Bullock..

Id like a young Point guard brought in whether Paul comes or not..

I am only doing something big if thenplayer is a star..
RE: Joe Harris  
Enzo : 10/21/2020 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15017149 TyreeHelmet said:
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...

Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?

I gave up trying to project NBA salaries years ago. The true max guys (LeBron, Curry, Durant) are underpaid because of the max salaries...so the guys in the levels below them get more than they "should" pretty often.

But I'd rather overpay for guys in their prime or entering their primes as opposed to Paul and/or Westbrook. And it's very difficult to compete in today's NBA without shooters.
I'd probably choose Harris over FVV, but not both of them.  
bceagle05 : 10/21/2020 3:50 pm : link
Harris is in his prime, fills a desperate need and fits perfectly with the young guys. He'll always have trade value too, if we need to move him later for a top FA. Ideally you take on salary with picks attached, but I don't trust the Knicks to do that with their cap space.
I think there will be plenty of teams  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2020 3:51 pm : link
looking to shed salary and will give up picks to do it, im getting as many 2021 picks as i can
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DanMetroMan : 10/21/2020 7:10 pm : link
yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
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Jon in NYC : 10/21/2020 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15017390 DanMetroMan said:
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good


Is that what that Pacers are asking for?
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Enzo : 10/21/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15017390 DanMetroMan said:
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good

I just love these random nuggets posted without context.

RE: Begley also mention  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15017127 nygiants16 said:
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Part of the Knicks thinking is getting players who will fit with Barrett


Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
RE: Begley also mention  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2020 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15017127 nygiants16 said:
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Part of the Knicks thinking is getting players who will fit with Barrett


Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
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TyreeHelmet : 10/22/2020 9:04 am : link
In comment 15017390 DanMetroMan said:
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good


I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
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nygiants16 : 10/22/2020 9:08 am : link
In comment 15017681 TyreeHelmet said:
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good



I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.


They dont have many 1sts to trade, they can trade this years pick they got from Indiana
apparently game 1  
Enzo : 10/22/2020 10:00 am : link
of the world series topped game 1 of the NBA finals in terms of tv ratings. I find that fascinating. I get it that we're in a weird time with sports and everything other than NFL is taking a hit, but that's a bad look for the NBA.
I find that really surprising..  
Italianju : 10/22/2020 10:24 am : link
maybe baseball is still more popular then i thought. I do think the NBA hurts its ratings by starting the games so late on the East coast. Im not sure how long you have to watch something for it to register, but i know i struggle to even get to half time sometimes for the nba games that tip off at 9:10.

Also how does streaming factor into ratings these days? Like i watched on the ESPN app because i dont have cable, does it treat me just like i watched it on TV?
This has nothing to do with streaming  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2020 10:28 am : link
or start times, lets be real...i am not going to get into it because it is not worth getting into but we know why ratings are down
Knicks hire reggie johnson as advanced scout  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2020 10:29 am : link
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this is obviously 100% anecdotal  
Enzo : 10/22/2020 10:38 am : link
but I barely know anyone that follows the NBA. I know plenty of MLB and NHL fans and everyone loves the NFL...but in my circle of friends, co-workers, relatives, I can count the people that watched the finals on one hand. A big part of that clearly has to do with the Knicks not being relevant the way they used to. But I just find it odd I can talk all kinds of sports with people and the NBA just never comes up. I'd bring up the NBA playoff bubble and people have no idea what I'm talking about. And these are people who are at AAU tournaments on the weekend and/or watched every pitch of the Yankee-Rays series.
RE: This has nothing to do with streaming  
TyreeHelmet : 10/22/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 15017762 nygiants16 said:
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or start times, lets be real...i am not going to get into it because it is not worth getting into but we know why ratings are down


Without question. I was pretty surprised to hear from people that were 100% turned off by it and wouldn't even watch when I was discussing some of the good games that were happening. Could be a major problem for the NBA moving forward.

I also think the timing really really hurt them. The casual sports fan can only consume so much and football trounces them.
It was tough to stay engaged this season, for sure.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2020 10:48 am : link
The unprecedented COVID issue, politics, a little Lebron fatigue setting in - plus, there was no dynasty team for the first time in awhile. I always thought it would help if the league was more wide open, but perhaps fans are drawn to the superteams and the quest to knock them off.

We'll see if things bounce back next year - having Golden State back in the mix and KD back on the court should add some drama. NBA desperately needs the Knicks to come around.
I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor  
Heisenberg : 10/22/2020 11:05 am : link
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
RE: I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor  
TyreeHelmet : 10/22/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15017802 Heisenberg said:
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I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.


I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
All but  
DanMetroMan : 10/22/2020 11:12 am : link
One of my NBA loving fans have checked out but not for any political reasons. Mostly the Knicks being consistently so bad.
RE: RE: I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 15017813 TyreeHelmet said:
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I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.



I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.


agreed, i think it will go back to normal ratings next year, i think people didnt want it shoved down their throats every game, i dont think the nfl is doing that or the nhl or mlb
RE: All but  
TyreeHelmet : 10/22/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 15017814 DanMetroMan said:
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One of my NBA loving fans have checked out but not for any political reasons. Mostly the Knicks being consistently so bad.


The Knicks being so bad for so long is truly awful for the league as a whole. In 20 years the Knicks have had 1 enjoyable winning season. It's hard to be a fan of that.

I think Pat Riley leaving the Knicks when he did severely hurt the league. Imagine the impact of the Knicks having the Heat success of the past 20 years?
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