The Trade: Houston Rockets acquire RJ Barrett, Frank Ntilikina, the No. 8 pick in the 2020 draft and the No. 27 pick in the 2020 draft for Russell Westbrook. Link - ( New Window )
have said this before but I truly believe this deal would push me into no longer being a Knicks fan. It would set them back yet again with zero path to being good anytime soon.
not even huge on Barrett and yet, he easily is a top 2-3 pick in THIS draft. Then toss in Frank (again not a huge fan but has some role player upside), a mid-lotto pick (8th) AND an additional pick for a 32 year old Westbrook? Wow.
Randle and DSJ have to be included in the deal. No RJ or Mitch. And it can't be a high first round pick, later in the round is fine. Include Frenchy if needed, I'm not high on him like some of you are.
Geez that would be awful. If we are trading RJ it better be in a deal for a younger star who can make players around them better. I dont hate Russ and i wont go crazy if we trade for him, assuming the trade was Randle, filler, and a later first or something like that. To be clear, i dont want to trade for Russ i just wont jump off the roof some people will if we did.
Geez that would be awful. If we are trading RJ it better be in a deal for a younger star who can make players around them better. I dont hate Russ and i wont go crazy if we trade for him, assuming the trade was Randle, filler, and a later first or something like that. To be clear, i dont want to trade for Russ i just wont jump off the roof some people will if we did.
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this trade, it means that the Knicks don't think they can sign Vanvleet in FA. Not sure why you would want to take on Russ and his salary at this point in his career
and Okoro apparently helium for both. What do we make of that Vassell shooting video? Just working on things? Knicks have met with Quickley twice now. Gotta believe he's a potential target at 38. Pure shot but that's about it.
All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
and Okoro apparently helium for both. What do we make of that Vassell shooting video? Just working on things? Knicks have met with Quickley twice now. Gotta believe he's a potential target at 38. Pure shot but that's about it.
Very good on ball defender. At 38, its a solid alternative.
All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
curious how much salary LA would have to send out to make that deal work.
All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
You have to hope this is a bad reporter started rumor
If Rose and Dolan truly want the Knicks to be relevant, they need to stop trying to make them relevant. That is how they got into a nearly 2 decade long mess in the first place.
Keep playing young guys, make smart draft picks, and pick up veterans to fit specific roles. At least they have a coach who should be hard on them, teach them, and above all else, stress and coach D. That alone, should make a little difference.
Let's be honest, at this stage, a 35 win season is way more relevant than they've been. They need building blocks this year. Next year shoot for .500 and a potential playoff spot, but not by forcing it with bad moves.
Don't give me that Bleacher Report shyte. You know better than this. Throwing out a nutty trade proposal a month before the draft would generate a ton of buzz. Poppycock sir.
Don't give me that Bleacher Report shyte. You know better than this. Throwing out a nutty trade proposal a month before the draft would generate a ton of buzz. Poppycock sir.
I'm honestly confused. What's this supposed "downside" of discussing clickbait? Nobody is claiming this is a real rumor. It's a really bad trade proposal by a writer. Westbrook to the Knicks is being heavily discussed and in some moronic cases advocated for (Alan Hahn? WTF happened to his brain?)
The headline said "Trades That Actually Make Sense" Where???And How can this guy be their featured NBA writer??? This may be THE stupidest (and there have been many) trade proposal for the Knicks I have seen!
I just don’t think you can take a guard who doesn’t play above the rim consistently and hope that he blossoms in the league. That’s just so rare. It’s also a lot tough to extrapolate a guard’s game to the pros. How do you know Kira Lewis or Maxey will be better than Sexton? Sexton was dynamic in college and seemed to have the alpha personality but hasn’t exactly done much as a pro.
Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
I just don’t think you can take a guard who doesn’t play above the rim consistently and hope that he blossoms in the league. That’s just so rare. It’s also a lot tough to extrapolate a guard’s game to the pros. How do you know Kira Lewis or Maxey will be better than Sexton? Sexton was dynamic in college and seemed to have the alpha personality but hasn’t exactly done much as a pro.
Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
I have been thinking about the Okoro/Butler comp as well.
I wish we had reliable measurements (Ht, Wt, wingspan) for these guys.
No way even the writer believes the Knicks would do this trade. Westbrook is on the downside of his career and for a guy who can’t shoot and can’t attack the basket as well as he has aged, the Rockets would be lucky to only give up a draft asset for someone to take Westbrook off the Rockets hands.
All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
Caldwell-Pope, Green, Kuzma, Caruso, Cook and 1st round. See article linked. Hoopshype - ( New Window )
I just don’t think you can take a guard who doesn’t play above the rim consistently and hope that he blossoms in the league. That’s just so rare. It’s also a lot tough to extrapolate a guard’s game to the pros. How do you know Kira Lewis or Maxey will be better than Sexton? Sexton was dynamic in college and seemed to have the alpha personality but hasn’t exactly done much as a pro.
Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
? Sexton had a vert encouraging 2nd season. He put up 21, 3 and 3 on 47% from the field, 38% from 3, 16.3 PER. He was 20 and 21 his first 2 seasons. If anyone is going to be disappointed with the Knicks getting a player of that caliber at 8 then be prepared to be very disappointed. I'll take Lewis or Maxey putting up a season 2 like Sexton did. I'm not a massive Sexton guy but credit where credit is due. I actually get the feeling Lewis is going to be the pick.
and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
Caldwell-Pope, Green, Kuzma, Caruso, Cook and 1st round. See article linked. Hoopshype - ( New Window )
Thats based pope opting in, hasnt it been reported he isnopting out?
hope the Knicks take a look at Giles. He's the kind of FA we should be rolling the dice on. He's still only 23 in April.
What's his situation w his knees?
Fell out of their rotation but was healthy outside of a minor hip issue. Averaged 7 and 4 on 55% from the field, 16.4 PER, .112 WS/48. It's not as if we have many talented bigs. I'd bring him in, 1 year 2nd year team option or even 2 years.
trade for buddy hield, draft someone who can shoot at 8...at least we have a team thats fun to watch again.
Isn't the trade for Hield the shooter? No need to trade for him and draft a shooter. If you trade for him, draft a stretch PF
Hield is a poor defender, you can't go stretch 4 at 8 (Toppin the only one that is projected to go that high) and have anything better than a bad defensive team.
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and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
I have wanted Lewis from the start. I was on Jonathan Macri's podcast awhile ago and mentioned Lewis and teams sleeping on him. He is very good. He has some Damian Lilliard in him. He should be the pick, if he is there. The buzz is building on him.
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and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
I have wanted Lewis from the start. I was on Jonathan Macri's podcast awhile ago and mentioned Lewis and teams sleeping on him. He is very good. He has some Damian Lilliard in him. He should be the pick, if he is there. The buzz is building on him.
Athletically and physique wise, he reminds me of Kenny Anderson.
Grant Riller was a dynamic scorer at Charleston and may have an offensive game that transfers well to the NBA, Schmitz writes. He averaged more than 21 PPG as a senior and had the highest player efficiency rating among college guards. Riller said he has been studying Thunder guard Dennis Schroder. “I think we share a lot of qualities,” he said. “A quick guard that gets downhill, can score at all three levels, is good in the pick-and-roll. Pretty savvy defender. More importantly, he plays both guard spots.”
but id make that harden trade. Its basically RJ, #8 and two mid (at best) to late firsts. That would be a steal for us. We keep our own picks, along with the clips pick this year and Mitch. Plus we shed Randle. We would have Harden and Mitch and a ton of space. I get that Harden is getting up there and there arent a lot of high end FA's to add with him this year, but there are next year.
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Can't believe there's this much talk about clickbait
but id make that harden trade. Its basically RJ, #8 and two mid (at best) to late firsts. That would be a steal for us. We keep our own picks, along with the clips pick this year and Mitch. Plus we shed Randle. We would have Harden and Mitch and a ton of space. I get that Harden is getting up there and there arent a lot of high end FA's to add with him this year, but there are next year.
Obviously, you make that trade. But sheesh, I do not enjoy watching him play basketball.
“It doesn’t mean the Knicks will pick him if he falls to No. 8 in the NBA Draft, but Killian Hayes currently has a narrow edge as the team’s second point guard on the board after LaMelo Ball,”
The Knicks had gone into last season with an eye on drafting a point guard of the future but they are not stuck on that idea since president Leon Rose took charge in March. For instance, if forward Obi Toppin falls to No. 8, they certainly would pounce. Small forward Isaac Okoro also has intrigue.
“It doesn’t mean the Knicks will pick him if he falls to No. 8 in the NBA Draft, but Killian Hayes currently has a narrow edge as the team’s second point guard on the board after LaMelo Ball,”
I really like Hayes. I can't tell if he's going to be a good defensive player yet and I don't have a good feel for his athleticism because the league he is in is not strong. But he does a lot of other stuff really well.
on Hayes. I still have Ball #1 because if everything breaks right he's a potential superstar PG given his size, passing, vision etc but his defense is lacking, his defensive effort is lacking and his shot needs work. Hayes isn't a monster athlete but he knows his limitations, very high IQ, quirky game (in part because he's lefty). He lets the game come to him. Shot has improved, first step has improved and he's stronger than before. I said back in March I had it Ball then Hayes and I still feel that way. Link - ( New Window )
RE: Can't believe there's this much talk about clickbait
reportedly willing to listen regarding anyone but Leonard. If the Knicks insist on adding some older players as mentors/culture changers I'll take Patrick Beverley
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Wasserman has the Knicks trading 8 to Boston (Okongwu) for 14 and 26. Knicks select Kira (14), Bolmaro (26) and Jah'mius Ramsey (27)
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Wasserman has the Knicks trading 8 to Boston (Okongwu) for 14 and 26. Knicks select Kira (14), Bolmaro (26) and Jah'mius Ramsey (27)
I've advocated 8 for 14 and 26 for weeks.
Yeah, it's not IF Boston makes a trade, but with whom.
will make a big run at Joe Harris (paraphrasing). The Nets have his Bird rights so they'll probably keep him at all costs, but he might be my #1 free agent target. Would love to add him.
for Pat Bev. Perfect for a team looking to develop a defensive identity and almost a near-lock you can get back a 1st for him at the deadline from a contender.
For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.
He is not and it’s a good thing he isn’t. He’d be the first overall pick no questions asked. He and Bates are the best teenage prospects in a few years.
For #8. I want a chance for an impact player. If, however, the knicks have 5-6 guys rated evenly then yes you pull the trigger. Not something I do until we see who is on the board. Boston also has tons of other selections so if they want a player bad enough you could probably get another pick.
Odds of an impact player at 8 in this draft are very low and the players in the 8-15 range are all going to be roughly the same level of talent/upside.
1) Trades like the Celtics/Knick proposal almost always involve team A drafting at their own slot and then trading said player to team B. If somehow a player slid to 8 that the Knicks loved they would call off the trade.
2) The Celtics aren't giving up a third pick to move up to 8. Completely unrealistic.
Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.
Boston was 14,26, 30, & 47. I’m just saying we might be able to improve some of our selections as Boston can’t draft 4 players (with their current roster). Maybe #30 comes for #38? Maybe they throw in #47.
No. The Celtics are not trading 14, 26, 30 and 47 for the 8th pick in a weak draft. That's a ridiculous bounty to move up 6 spots. Go look up how many trades teams have given up 3 first-round picks to move up and how many involve moving up that late.
seems to indicate he's here for the long haul and not a trade chip as some have suggested. Begley doesn't think Hampton falls to 27, nor do I. I see him going 15-22 range.
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
I would be ok trading for Paul..
If no Paul just stand pat, let the young guys play under Thibs, develop some of these kids and see where we are at after the seaaon..
Drafted guys i want shooters, id keep Gibson and Bullock..
Id like a young Point guard brought in whether Paul comes or not..
I am only doing something big if thenplayer is a star..
I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I gave up trying to project NBA salaries years ago. The true max guys (LeBron, Curry, Durant) are underpaid because of the max salaries...so the guys in the levels below them get more than they "should" pretty often.
But I'd rather overpay for guys in their prime or entering their primes as opposed to Paul and/or Westbrook. And it's very difficult to compete in today's NBA without shooters.
I'd probably choose Harris over FVV, but not both of them.
Harris is in his prime, fills a desperate need and fits perfectly with the young guys. He'll always have trade value too, if we need to move him later for a top FA. Ideally you take on salary with picks attached, but I don't trust the Knicks to do that with their cap space.
yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
They dont have many 1sts to trade, they can trade this years pick they got from Indiana
of the world series topped game 1 of the NBA finals in terms of tv ratings. I find that fascinating. I get it that we're in a weird time with sports and everything other than NFL is taking a hit, but that's a bad look for the NBA.
maybe baseball is still more popular then i thought. I do think the NBA hurts its ratings by starting the games so late on the East coast. Im not sure how long you have to watch something for it to register, but i know i struggle to even get to half time sometimes for the nba games that tip off at 9:10.
Also how does streaming factor into ratings these days? Like i watched on the ESPN app because i dont have cable, does it treat me just like i watched it on TV?
but I barely know anyone that follows the NBA. I know plenty of MLB and NHL fans and everyone loves the NFL...but in my circle of friends, co-workers, relatives, I can count the people that watched the finals on one hand. A big part of that clearly has to do with the Knicks not being relevant the way they used to. But I just find it odd I can talk all kinds of sports with people and the NBA just never comes up. I'd bring up the NBA playoff bubble and people have no idea what I'm talking about. And these are people who are at AAU tournaments on the weekend and/or watched every pitch of the Yankee-Rays series.
or start times, lets be real...i am not going to get into it because it is not worth getting into but we know why ratings are down
Without question. I was pretty surprised to hear from people that were 100% turned off by it and wouldn't even watch when I was discussing some of the good games that were happening. Could be a major problem for the NBA moving forward.
I also think the timing really really hurt them. The casual sports fan can only consume so much and football trounces them.
It was tough to stay engaged this season, for sure.
The unprecedented COVID issue, politics, a little Lebron fatigue setting in - plus, there was no dynasty team for the first time in awhile. I always thought it would help if the league was more wide open, but perhaps fans are drawn to the superteams and the quest to knock them off.
We'll see if things bounce back next year - having Golden State back in the mix and KD back on the court should add some drama. NBA desperately needs the Knicks to come around.
I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
RE: I'll be surprised if the politics plays any long term factor
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
agreed, i think it will go back to normal ratings next year, i think people didnt want it shoved down their throats every game, i dont think the nfl is doing that or the nhl or mlb
One of my NBA loving fans have checked out but not for any political reasons. Mostly the Knicks being consistently so bad.
The Knicks being so bad for so long is truly awful for the league as a whole. In 20 years the Knicks have had 1 enjoyable winning season. It's hard to be a fan of that.
I think Pat Riley leaving the Knicks when he did severely hurt the league. Imagine the impact of the Knicks having the Heat success of the past 20 years?
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Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Very good on ball defender. At 38, its a solid alternative.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
curious how much salary LA would have to send out to make that deal work.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
Keep playing young guys, make smart draft picks, and pick up veterans to fit specific roles. At least they have a coach who should be hard on them, teach them, and above all else, stress and coach D. That alone, should make a little difference.
Let's be honest, at this stage, a 35 win season is way more relevant than they've been. They need building blocks this year. Next year shoot for .500 and a potential playoff spot, but not by forcing it with bad moves.
I'm honestly confused. What's this supposed "downside" of discussing clickbait? Nobody is claiming this is a real rumor. It's a really bad trade proposal by a writer. Westbrook to the Knicks is being heavily discussed and in some moronic cases advocated for (Alan Hahn? WTF happened to his brain?)
Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
I have been thinking about the Okoro/Butler comp as well.
I wish we had reliable measurements (Ht, Wt, wingspan) for these guys.
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All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
Caldwell-Pope, Green, Kuzma, Caruso, Cook and 1st round. See article linked.
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Perhaps Okoro can make a Jimmy Butler-type of transformation, but Vassell has shown more glimpses.
? Sexton had a vert encouraging 2nd season. He put up 21, 3 and 3 on 47% from the field, 38% from 3, 16.3 PER. He was 20 and 21 his first 2 seasons. If anyone is going to be disappointed with the Knicks getting a player of that caliber at 8 then be prepared to be very disappointed. I'll take Lewis or Maxey putting up a season 2 like Sexton did. I'm not a massive Sexton guy but credit where credit is due. I actually get the feeling Lewis is going to be the pick.
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Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
What's his situation w his knees?
Isn't the trade for Hield the shooter? No need to trade for him and draft a shooter. If you trade for him, draft a stretch PF
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All of his proposals were pretty stupid but the Knicks was just a complete joke. If Leon Rose were to do that trade he would deserve to be fired on the spot.
Unless its for an equally bad contract, I really don't see how Westbrook gets dealt.
On another note- it seems like Chris Paul to the Lakers is gaining some steam. Makes a lot of sense for both of them.
Lakers do not have the salary to pull it off
Caldwell-Pope, Green, Kuzma, Caruso, Cook and 1st round. See article linked. Hoopshype - ( New Window )
Thats based pope opting in, hasnt it been reported he isnopting out?
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hope the Knicks take a look at Giles. He's the kind of FA we should be rolling the dice on. He's still only 23 in April.
What's his situation w his knees?
Fell out of their rotation but was healthy outside of a minor hip issue. Averaged 7 and 4 on 55% from the field, 16.4 PER, .112 WS/48. It's not as if we have many talented bigs. I'd bring him in, 1 year 2nd year team option or even 2 years.
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trade for buddy hield, draft someone who can shoot at 8...at least we have a team thats fun to watch again.
Isn't the trade for Hield the shooter? No need to trade for him and draft a shooter. If you trade for him, draft a stretch PF
Hield is a poor defender, you can't go stretch 4 at 8 (Toppin the only one that is projected to go that high) and have anything better than a bad defensive team.
"This insistence that Buddy Hield suddenly transform into an elite, or even average defender is the stuff of Zach Randolph’s pipe dreams, and the results of this strategy have been horrific. Hield is getting roasted by top-tier bucket-getters on a nightly basis, to the point of posting the worst overall defensive field goal percentage (the percentage an opponent’s average field goal percentage increases or decreases when guarded by a player) in the entire NBA. Buddy’s certainly never garnered the reputation of a high-class defender, but he’s never bottomed-out at this level either. "
I believe he can be dealt in a sign and trade. But they can also do it without him. It actually wouldn't be a bad return for OKC.
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I believe he can be dealt in a sign and trade. But they can also do it without him. It actually wouldn't be a bad return for OKC.
I think players can only be moved via sign-and-trade by themselves. You can't add other players to the salary going out in a deal.
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and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
I have wanted Lewis from the start. I was on Jonathan Macri's podcast awhile ago and mentioned Lewis and teams sleeping on him. He is very good. He has some Damian Lilliard in him. He should be the pick, if he is there. The buzz is building on him.
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and have people wondering in a few years how he fell out of the top five. Blazing speed, passes the ball well with both hands, can shoot and is active on defense. I'd be fine with it. Apparently Phoenix has interviewed him a couple of times already. If he lands there at 10 I may become a Suns fan - that team would be fun to watch.
Completely speculation but my gut says the Knicks look into trading up for Ball, have Ball and Hayes off the board by the time they pick and end up taking Lewis.
I have wanted Lewis from the start. I was on Jonathan Macri's podcast awhile ago and mentioned Lewis and teams sleeping on him. He is very good. He has some Damian Lilliard in him. He should be the pick, if he is there. The buzz is building on him.
Athletically and physique wise, he reminds me of Kenny Anderson.
why would the Lakers do that?
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send #38 to the Lakers for Caruso.
why would the Lakers do that?
To create cap space. Caruso makes 2.75 million and will be a UFA
Huh? I have no strong feelings about Caruso.
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show this to Greg, but if Caruso were dealt to OKC I wouldn't mind giving them a call.
Huh? I have no strong feelings about Caruso.
I posted an article earlier in the year that suggested Caruso was extremely underrated thanks to the little stuff he did and you weren't happy lol
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send #38 to the Lakers for Caruso.
why would the Lakers do that?
To create cap space. Caruso makes 2.75 million and will be a UFA
how does clearing $2.75 million help them at all? If they want to clear room they need guys like Danny Green, KCP, and others off their cap.
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send #38 to the Lakers for Caruso.
why would the Lakers do that?
To create cap space. Caruso makes 2.75 million and will be a UFA
how does clearing $2.75 million help them at all? If they want to clear room they need guys like Danny Green, KCP, and others off their cap.
KCP is already opting out per all recent reports.
Houston Rockets Receive: RJ Barrett, Julius Randle, Elfrid Payton, Wayne Ellington, No. 8 Pick, 2021 First-Round Pick (via DAL), 2023 First-Round Pick (via DAL)
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Insane passer, little guy. We've discussed him on here before. Wolves are considered the favorites.
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It's whoa.
Obviously, you make that trade. But sheesh, I do not enjoy watching him play basketball.
I really like Hayes. I can't tell if he's going to be a good defensive player yet and I don't have a good feel for his athleticism because the league he is in is not strong. But he does a lot of other stuff really well.
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It's whoa.
This. lol
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Wasserman has the Knicks trading 8 to Boston (Okongwu) for 14 and 26. Knicks select Kira (14), Bolmaro (26) and Jah'mius Ramsey (27)
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Wasserman has the Knicks trading 8 to Boston (Okongwu) for 14 and 26. Knicks select Kira (14), Bolmaro (26) and Jah'mius Ramsey (27)
I've advocated 8 for 14 and 26 for weeks.
If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.
If trade back to 14 and Lewis is gone, i am going RJ Hampton, he could end up being a steal.
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He is not and it’s a good thing he isn’t. He’d be the first overall pick no questions asked. He and Bates are the best teenage prospects in a few years.
Odds of an impact player at 8 in this draft are very low and the players in the 8-15 range are all going to be roughly the same level of talent/upside.
1) Trades like the Celtics/Knick proposal almost always involve team A drafting at their own slot and then trading said player to team B. If somehow a player slid to 8 that the Knicks loved they would call off the trade.
2) The Celtics aren't giving up a third pick to move up to 8. Completely unrealistic.
No. The Celtics are not trading 14, 26, 30 and 47 for the 8th pick in a weak draft. That's a ridiculous bounty to move up 6 spots. Go look up how many trades teams have given up 3 first-round picks to move up and how many involve moving up that late.
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Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.
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How does he keep getting jobs?
Media loves him (in fairness he's great on-air/twitter) but good question.
Will he scream about white priveledge like he did after Nash was hired??
This would be fantastic.
They seem to be putting a lot of effort with him
Which they should be doing. I really like Kira Lewis by the way in this years draft.
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
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I wonder what he ends up getting and what you would be comfortable with the Knicks offering. I don't think its likely and it would take an "overpay" for both, but I would be pretty happy to come away this offseason with Harris and FVV. Adds desperately needed elite shooting and they both bring a lot to the table...
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
No thanks, i think they are both really good players but you can find another joe harris and fvv, i dont think either are gamechangers
Fair point. Is there a certain number you would be good with or do you want them to pass on both?
What is your ideal offseason?
I would be ok trading for Paul..
If no Paul just stand pat, let the young guys play under Thibs, develop some of these kids and see where we are at after the seaaon..
Drafted guys i want shooters, id keep Gibson and Bullock..
Id like a young Point guard brought in whether Paul comes or not..
I am only doing something big if thenplayer is a star..
Just a guess here, but I think it would take 4/70 for Harris and 4/100 for FVV. Thoughts?
I gave up trying to project NBA salaries years ago. The true max guys (LeBron, Curry, Durant) are underpaid because of the max salaries...so the guys in the levels below them get more than they "should" pretty often.
But I'd rather overpay for guys in their prime or entering their primes as opposed to Paul and/or Westbrook. And it's very difficult to compete in today's NBA without shooters.
Is that what that Pacers are asking for?
I just love these random nuggets posted without context.
Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
Makes sense. How can you judge the player without ever playing with a professional point guard.
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
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yikes, 2 1sts in a deal for one year of Oladipo? I'm good
I would bet Milwaukee takes a chance on him and deals Bledsoe and 1st for him. Pretty big risk if you ask me. I've gone back and forth on it but its a major risk dealing for Dipo right now.
They dont have many 1sts to trade, they can trade this years pick they got from Indiana
Also how does streaming factor into ratings these days? Like i watched on the ESPN app because i dont have cable, does it treat me just like i watched it on TV?
Without question. I was pretty surprised to hear from people that were 100% turned off by it and wouldn't even watch when I was discussing some of the good games that were happening. Could be a major problem for the NBA moving forward.
I also think the timing really really hurt them. The casual sports fan can only consume so much and football trounces them.
We'll see if things bounce back next year - having Golden State back in the mix and KD back on the court should add some drama. NBA desperately needs the Knicks to come around.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
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I think it's unlikely that folks who say they stopped watching because of protests were actually watching NBA games. Once things get back to normal and fans are in the stands and real playoffs are happening, not weird bubble playoffs, it will be fine.
I somewhat agree and think true NBA fans were watching regardless. But I do think there was a certain segment that would check out a big game late in the playoffs was certainly turned off by it.
agreed, i think it will go back to normal ratings next year, i think people didnt want it shoved down their throats every game, i dont think the nfl is doing that or the nhl or mlb
The Knicks being so bad for so long is truly awful for the league as a whole. In 20 years the Knicks have had 1 enjoyable winning season. It's hard to be a fan of that.
I think Pat Riley leaving the Knicks when he did severely hurt the league. Imagine the impact of the Knicks having the Heat success of the past 20 years?