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2 games into the season with very young OL. I see improvement every week.

But what the hell has happened to Thomas?

We may have a perception problem. Andrew Thomas evidently is getting worse and worse, and Zeitler...? Not so sure about "improvement every week."

In comment 15014284 lugnut said:

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We may have a perception problem. Andrew Thomas evidently is getting worse and worse, and Zeitler...? Not so sure about "improvement every week."

Did you watch the game yesterday? Thomas actually played well. He missed a grand total of 1 block. No sacks, no pressures and other than the one missed run block was moving his guy off the LOS.

Thomas had an obvious miss or two, but held up better and played with some confidence.

Peart showed good feet and AA, and he looked prepared and confident. He was sliding laterally exactly as you would hope Thomas could, given his pedigree.

He'd be in at LT and Thomas would shift to RT.

In comment 15014279 WillieYoung said:

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But what the hell has happened to Thomas?

I keep asking how much happier we'd be if we got a true stud at #4 (Wills/Wirfs?). It's great we found a gem in the third round, but how much better could we be if we did better at #4? Shouldn't it be easier to get the cream of the crop there, having first dibs?

I keep telling myself NONE of the drafted tackles were "locks" and they were rated "all over the place from 1 to 4 and 4 to 1 and so forth" by prognosticators. We took the guy with experience and upside KNOWING he was not NFL pass protection ready. He needed to be coached up and we all know that ZOOM training camp and a limited camp with no pre-season games meant that early season was his pre-season.

He is making mistakes, for sure, but my understanding is that he is a talented young man with the desire to be an NFL talent. I know of few OT's who flourish as rookies even with a full camp and team #1 reps!!

But lets say Peart is a better LT than Thomas. So what? That is GREAT news!!

If 2021 goes like this: Peart-Hernandez-Gates-Lemiuex-Thomas (good run blocker) and all five guys are solid we are in GREAT shape for a solid 2021 run even though it is in my mind year ONE of the rebuild.

DG is gone after this year. No way he sticks after these drafts and UFA miscues. And if the Giants feel Thomas will NEVER be a LT in the NFL that would seal his fate for sure, IMHO.

I see Abrhams being internally promoted to GM; Judge and staff retained; D. Jones proving he is a true #1 QB; and, please God that our young defense develops (Williams, Tomlinson, Lawrence, Martinez, Holmes, McKinney, Bradberry all solid by season's end) into a decent group that needs an ER and CB.

I'm praying for 2-5 right now and for Peart to be the answer and for Thomas to grow along with Lemiuex. It would be nice to see Zeitler return to pre-Giants form as he is only 30 but so far...not looking good. My guess is he had some kind of injury that has left him limited.

In comment 15014303 adamg said:

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He'd be in at LT and Thomas would shift to RT.

Way too early for that.

and he will be ok in time, he looked good yesterday and the reps and work off the field will pay off.

Eric Moore drafted in first RD at OT and Jumbo Elliott in 2nd rd.

By end of the year Elliott was the LT and Moore ended up a Tackle / Guard.

I think Peart has the more natural LT feel and Thomas could be a dominant RT over time..

I think we have the pieces in place for our Oline - need Gates to develop more or get a Center and a replacement for Zietler- which could be SL.

Let’s remember that. He’s 21. Give him time to learn and an off-season in an nfl weight room. He has the tools just needs to be consistent.

Great!

Keep Thomas at Left for now and put Peart in at Right and thrn go from there..

In comment 15014302 JonC said:

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Thomas had an obvious miss or two, but held up better and played with some confidence. Peart showed good feet and AA, and he looked prepared and confident. He was sliding laterally exactly as you would hope Thomas could, given his pedigree.

Peart's feet and athleticism jump off the screen. Hard to find those dancing elephants and he clearly has it. Refreshing to see. A year in the weight room and he could finally be one of those guys that gets crowned every year that's a mid round pick actually coming to fruition.

Almost too good to be true in pass pro. He got his hands on the ER early, and when he did, it was over. He did not give ground.

It was a stark contrast to Thomas, who is pack-pedaling off the snap and keeping his hands down way too long. AT is still learning the punch whereas Peart is already doing it.

Who cares about draft position. It looks like the Giants may've found 2 starting OTs in the draft when they desperately needed too. So far so good for Peart, but now comes the hard part - sustained success.

In comment 15014279 WillieYoung said:

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But what the hell has happened to Thomas?

I liked Peart, but Lemieux is the one I am really excited about. He was downright nasty at Oregon.

I honestly was a little surprised by the Thomas pick, but not upset. The arguments were very convincing that they got a really good OT who should be their LT for a decade. Every assessment of him was that his ceiling may not be as high as the other 3 top OTs, but he was the most ready and had the highest floor. It hasn't exactly panned out yet, but it is way too early and silly for anyone to call him a bust or give up. He and Peart still may forma nice OT tandem. I really would have liked to have seen a full game of Thomas against the Washington front, which is far less impressive than the first 5 defensive front 7s he faced.

In comment 15014486 nygiants16 said:

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Keep Thomas at Left for now and put Peart in at Right Tackle and then go from there..

Agreed. Judge has shown no hesitation in switching out starters, so I have to think Peart starting at RT is imminent. If we have to wait a couple of weeks before that happens, you have to assume there are technical or matchup considerations delaying the move and to trust the coaches on it.

My draft reading made me believe that Wills was the tackle with a limited upside potential. Thomas is a very good athlete who checked all the boxes and could easily be projected to Pro Bowl level. In fact, I supported the pick because I thought it was such a low risk selection. Which made the prior two weeks so consternating, in terms of Thomas’ performance.

In comment 15014342 JonC said:

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and he will be ok in time, he looked good yesterday and the reps and work off the field will pay off.

I know it is early. but if I am Daniel Jones and I watch that tape, I want Peart at LT. Hopefully that tape lights a fire for Thomas. Back when I worked for someone else, if were replaced at my position and someone did that well in my absence, I would ratchet up the effort.

It might have been a better day than Solder has ever had in NY. Small sample, I get it, but I want that kid on the field again soon. LT or RT, don't care. The feet were impressive compared to Thomas. Flemming isn't the answer.

In comment 15014371 Tuckrule said:

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Let’s remember that. He’s 21. Give him time to learn and an off-season in an nfl weight room. He has the tools just needs to be consistent.

Thomas was supposed to be the most NFL ready of the tackles though.

Peart showed encouraging signs though.

defensive front. 4 #1 picks + Ryan Kerrigan coming off the bench. I am wondering where some of this analysis comes from.

The Skins stink, but it's not because of their defensive front. There was no exhale for the OLine Sunday.

you thought it BBI stupidity that a move to Peart even be considered a week ago, now he you're still saying "way to early to consider." Let's see how it plays out. If I didn't tell you who was the 1st rounder and who was the 3rd, I can't see how you'd say Thomas should have the spot.

In comment 15014500 Matt M. said:

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In comment 15014279 WillieYoung said: Quote: But what the hell has happened to Thomas? I really would have liked to have seen a full game of Thomas against the Washington front, which is far less impressive than the first 5 defensive front 7s he faced.

If that is the least impressive front that he has faced (4 #1's including Mr Everything Chase Young, who many here wanted to tank the season for last year)...then I would say he has faced some pretty impressive D lines. And with Philly and TB coming up, sure not getting any easier.

He has 2.5 sacks and a forced fumble in 6 games. Williams has 3 sacks in 6 games and those who swear he's a good player are waving pom poms for his overpaid ass. But Chase Young is some kind of disappointment? Show the math on that.

In comment 15014798 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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He has 2.5 sacks and a forced fumble in 6 games. Williams has 3 sacks in 6 games and those who swear he's a good player are waving pom poms for his overpaid ass. But Chase Young is some kind of disappointment? Show the math on that.

Williams is a DT in reality. Young is an OLB/ER and is supposed to get sacks. Williams is supposed to stop the run and put pressure on the QB. Two different positions.
Not a knock on the rookie, but he has a pretty good supporting cast.

Thomas had a good first game also. We'll have a better idea about both of these player in December.

Of the future in one draft I’m happy

I don’t care if it ends up that Peart is the LT and Thomas is the RT

In comment 15014742 moaltch said:

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you thought it BBI stupidity that a move to Peart even be considered a week ago, now he you're still saying "way to early to consider." Let's see how it plays out. If I didn't tell you who was the 1st rounder and who was the 3rd, I can't see how you'd say Thomas should have the spot.

It's all about pedigree and who shows it on the football field. Despite some rough waters for AT, my money is on him.

In comment 15014798 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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He has 2.5 sacks and a forced fumble in 6 games. Williams has 3 sacks in 6 games and those who swear he's a good player are waving pom poms for his overpaid ass. But Chase Young is some kind of disappointment? Show the math on that.

First DT is not a DE, so judging by sacks is comparing apples to chocolate bars. Second, not everything has to do with sacks (unless you judge players based on their fantasy football scoring)