The Jets are just as bad as the Giants, but at least Crowder looks like a serviceable player who can get separation and catch the ball. He signed with the Jets in 2019 for $17 mil guaranteed. Plus, he's significantly younger.
Neither was any type of replacement for OBJ, but at least Crowder would have had more viability going forward as a useful piece due to his age.
IIRC, Tate had a pretty bad half-season with the Eagles in 2018. Not sure what made him a target over Crowder. They both have the same archetype as a player, and if the Giants actually planned on retaining a player for more than just a 1/2 season bandaid, Crowder should have been the one they signed.
Nobody was really clamoring for him so this is actually not a "beat up DG" thread, as there are plenty of other awful decisions to get on his case about. But in retrospect, this would have been a better move that might have actually had enough of an impact this season to lead to some wins against Dallas or Pittsburgh.
At this point, anything is better than Tate.
The issue is the targets that are going his way and the fact that this offense is in the stone age. They played a team giving up more big plays than anyone yesterday and ATTEMPTED 1 pass over 20 yards which they completed.
Jesus Christ.
The issue is the targets that are going his way and the fact that this offense is in the stone age. They played a team giving up more big plays than anyone yesterday and ATTEMPTED 1 pass over 20 yards which they completed.
Eric - he’s not getting targets because he can’t get open. He has no more suddenness and is undersized. Therefore, he is never open.
I know you want to blame everything on coaching, but your take here is pretty off
Good lord
Jesus Christ.
Those 388 yards were in 9 games. The 2 years prior he'd had ~800 yards each year. As he did last year with the Jets. When he's played he has always produced. The injuries were a drawback relative to Tate who has always been healthy but he was 5 years younger so it was a viable discussion either way at the time (and it was discussed then).
Good for Crowder to play better than he has historically, but he's not a guy i'm going to look back on and wish we signed, its disingenuous.
Good lord
This looks like separation to me. And awfully similar to plays we've seen Engram make regularly whenever he was healthy prior to this year.
https://www.giants.com/video/daniel-jones-rolls-out-fires-21-yard-dart-to-engram-down-sideline - ( New Window )
Good lord
Lukes, it's not about taking shots down field. Making the defense cover down field opens things up short. Garrett's route concepts have everyone running 10 yard routes and cutting at the same time. There is no progression.
They do run plays with receivers running deep routes. They are usually successful with the ball going to the middle to short receiver. They just don't run it enough.
Good for Crowder to play better than he has historically, but he's not a guy i'm going to look back on and wish we signed, its disingenuous.
But as I alluded to, I'm not killing DG for this move per se. Additionally, I never said "definitely" -- just that in hindsight, I think he'd be better resource allocation and he definitely had a much better chance to be part of the team long term.
At least Tate played well last year and can stay on the field.
Probably should have kept the dart in the case.
Shepard was unlikely to miss games due to injury/concussions
Tate jumped in the Fountain of Youth so he was going to be fine at 32 years old
Engram coming off foot surgery was going to be better than new
NY Giant GM's Strategy: Ignore both free agency and a deep draft and just grab a few UDFAs. This area is fine.
Shepard was unlikely to miss games due to injury/concussions
Tate jumped in the Fountain of Youth so he was going to be fine at 32 years old
Engram coming off foot surgery was going to be better than new
NY Giant GM's Strategy: Ignore both free agency and a deep draft and just grab a few UDFAs. This area is fine.
Tate's fountain of youth was named "PEDs" lol.
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With awful or injured WRs and a defense that played a deep zone with a only a 4 man rush (because their defensive line is so good)
Good lord
This looks like separation to me. And awfully similar to plays we've seen Engram make regularly whenever he was healthy prior to this year. https://www.giants.com/video/daniel-jones-rolls-out-fires-21-yard-dart-to-engram-down-sideline - ( New Window )
If you can’t understand the difference between a guy getting separation from running a good route and a guy being wide open because the defense bit on a good play action then I don’t know what to tell you
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With awful or injured WRs and a defense that played a deep zone with a only a 4 man rush (because their defensive line is so good)
Good lord
This looks like separation to me. And awfully similar to plays we've seen Engram make regularly whenever he was healthy prior to this year. https://www.giants.com/video/daniel-jones-rolls-out-fires-21-yard-dart-to-engram-down-sideline - ( New Window )
If you can’t understand the difference between a guy getting separation from running a good route and a guy being wide open because the defense bit on a good play action then I don’t know what to tell you
and if you can't understand the difference between an offensive scheme where the few receiving threats run routes that maximize their abilities as opposed to routes they are poor at (like Engram running curl routes all day) then I don't know what to tell you.
Engram has thrived running routes up the seam and across the field for his first 3 years here. Even with the injuries he's probably up there among TE's in terms of YPC, yards, receptions, etc. This year has been an outlier both in that he hasn't had an injury and has been almost completely unproductive as a receiver.
There's an assortment of charts from last year at the link below. Notice the striking difference between the 1 chart from 2020 and the multiple from 2018/2019 like this one.
Here's his lone 2020 chart:
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/evan-engram/ENG726325/season - ( New Window )
2020:
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/golden-tate/TAT245022/season - ( New Window )
So then you agree it seems odd to have a YAC guy running so many stick routes like he's Jason Witten?
Probably should have kept the dart in the case.
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With awful or injured WRs and a defense that played a deep zone with a only a 4 man rush (because their defensive line is so good)
Good lord
This looks like separation to me. And awfully similar to plays we've seen Engram make regularly whenever he was healthy prior to this year. https://www.giants.com/video/daniel-jones-rolls-out-fires-21-yard-dart-to-engram-down-sideline - ( New Window )
If you can’t understand the difference between a guy getting separation from running a good route and a guy being wide open because the defense bit on a good play action then I don’t know what to tell you
Yea and they also flooded a zone coverered by 2 defenders with 3 layered routes. Really more of a good play call than getting separation.
We often do not have too many options via free agency. The perfect guy at the perfect price is rarely there. You are either over paying for someone who CAN get it done on the field or you are bottom feeding to plug a hole.