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Mike Vrabel made a very smart move in the game yesterday

KDavies : 10/19/2020 11:28 am
don't know if anyone caught the end of that game, but he made quite the smart play. With about 3:20 left in regulation, Houston is driving, inside the 25. Houston is up 30-29.

Titans defense is set, and Vrabel sends in another player on a 2nd and 1 to get a 12 men on the field penalty. Penalty stops the clock, as Vrabel knows they are going to score anyway. Texans wind up getting a TD with 1:50 left and go up 36-29. (Texans made controversial decision to go for 2 point conversion which they missed).

Titans wind up scoring TD with 4 second left in regulation and winning in overtime. Very Belichick type move of Vrabel. He continues to impress as a coach.

it also begs the question...  
KDavies : 10/19/2020 11:30 am : link
should the NFL not explore a rule change on a penalty stopping the clock? Should they allow the non-penalized team to decline the clock stoppage?
And there were a few  
TommyWiseau : 10/19/2020 11:30 am : link
on here who were laughed at when suggesting interviewing Vrabel for a head coaching gig in 2018.
He's done  
pjcas18 : 10/19/2020 11:31 am : link
that multiple times this year. It's something they'll probably fix next year.
RE: He's done  
KDavies : 10/19/2020 11:32 am : link
In comment 15014358 pjcas18 said:
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that multiple times this year. It's something they'll probably fix next year.


Yeah, NFL already closed the loophole Vrabel used against the Pats.
RE: He's done  
section125 : 10/19/2020 11:36 am : link
In comment 15014358 pjcas18 said:
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that multiple times this year. It's something they'll probably fix next year.



Also -
They won't do it, but a defensive holding (a 5 yard penalty) should not give a team with 10+ yards down needed for a 1st down an automatic first down if the hold was less than 10 yards down field. (Throw in illegal contact which is a questionable call anyway)
"Vrabel knows they are going to score"  
Enzo : 10/19/2020 11:43 am : link
I don't know that he was conceding a touchdown from that spot on the field, but he was certainly willing to concede a first down via penalty on 2nd and 1 in exchange for a free timeout.
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KDavies : 10/19/2020 11:47 am : link
In comment 15014380 Enzo said:
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I don't know that he was conceding a touchdown from that spot on the field, but he was certainly willing to concede a first down via penalty on 2nd and 1 in exchange for a free timeout.


He wasn't conceding a TD. They were at the 25 yard line. Pretty good chance of a FG or TD. Instead of trying to stop them on a 2nd and 1, he gave them 5 yards and a fresh set of downs. That way they have at max 2 sets of downs to score, rather than the two sets of downs, as well as 2nd down and 3rd down. Cuts it from a max of 8 plays in running down the clock (plus moving), to a likely max of 6 (plus clock stopped)
When you look at the Titans offensive line  
M.S. : 10/19/2020 11:49 am : link

Run blocking and pass blocking, you really have to ask:

What the F are the Giants doing?

It is really scary to see the two units in action. It's like the Titans are playing at an All-Pro level and the Giants are playing Pop Warner Football.
RE: When you look at the Titans offensive line  
RAIN : 10/19/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15014396 M.S. said:
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Run blocking and pass blocking, you really have to ask:

What the F are the Giants doing?

It is really scary to see the two units in action. It's like the Titans are playing at an All-Pro level and the Giants are playing Pop Warner Football.


To your point, it takes some time to build scheme familiarity, culture, and execution. I hope we can start this with Judge. When you get eleven guys pulling in the same direction you will be more than the some of your parts.

We don’t have the pieces on offense they do (AJ Brown/Derrick Henry), it the oline continuity, so I expect it to take until next year to start being consistently competitive. When you have 3 coaches in six years, your going to have issues.
RE: RE:  
Enzo : 10/19/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15014389 KDavies said:
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In comment 15014380 Enzo said:


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I don't know that he was conceding a touchdown from that spot on the field, but he was certainly willing to concede a first down via penalty on 2nd and 1 in exchange for a free timeout.



He wasn't conceding a TD. They were at the 25 yard line. Pretty good chance of a FG or TD. Instead of trying to stop them on a 2nd and 1, he gave them 5 yards and a fresh set of downs. That way they have at max 2 sets of downs to score, rather than the two sets of downs, as well as 2nd down and 3rd down. Cuts it from a max of 8 plays in running down the clock (plus moving), to a likely max of 6 (plus clock stopped)

what part of "he was certainly willing to concede a first down" did you not get? lol....

And you could at least give credit to Warren Sharp for this.
I don't think there was anything controversial about the 2  
BH28 : 10/19/2020 12:52 pm : link
you get it, game over. Worst case, you end up tied and lose in OT anyway.

Going and getting the 2 gave them the best opportunity to win the game. People assume that stopping a two pointer is more than a coin flip effort, it's not.

I guarantee that if the Texans kicked the extra point, titans tied it with a 2 and won in OT the criticism would have been, why not go for two and try to put the game out of reach?
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KDavies : 10/19/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15014462 Enzo said:
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In comment 15014380 Enzo said:


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I don't know that he was conceding a touchdown from that spot on the field, but he was certainly willing to concede a first down via penalty on 2nd and 1 in exchange for a free timeout.



He wasn't conceding a TD. They were at the 25 yard line. Pretty good chance of a FG or TD. Instead of trying to stop them on a 2nd and 1, he gave them 5 yards and a fresh set of downs. That way they have at max 2 sets of downs to score, rather than the two sets of downs, as well as 2nd down and 3rd down. Cuts it from a max of 8 plays in running down the clock (plus moving), to a likely max of 6 (plus clock stopped)


what part of "he was certainly willing to concede a first down" did you not get? lol....

And you could at least give credit to Warren Sharp for this.


Who is Warren Sharp?
LOL  
Mad Mike : 10/19/2020 2:08 pm : link
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John Harbaugh in SB 47  
NINEster : 10/19/2020 2:08 pm : link
instructed his special teams to hold on the last punt to buy extra time before taking the safety at the end of the game.

A few years ago, Chip Kelly instructed his entire secondary to hold every receiver in the waning seconds of a half to force a field goal in exchange for a mere five yards and an automatic first down.

Didn't the Giants use too many men on the field in SB 46 on the Patriots final drive to kill some clock?

I think this is something that Buddy Ryan admitted to doing also.

I can appreciate manipulation of the rules to where it forces the league to address them.

I wonder if these loopholes were closed?
OP  
NINEster : 10/19/2020 2:13 pm : link
I think the Texans decision to go for 2 was actually very wise.

You're exposing yourself very little to the Titans coming back and going for 2 and winning, with the huge upside of closing the game out with a 9 point lead and them needing an onside kick plus more.....

An offense being forced to go for 2 or 1 to tie is not a huge deal when you factor in momentum (i.e. if they can score a TD in 90 seconds, they'll likely get the 2 pt if needed).

The WFT did go for 2 in yesterday's game, but that scenario is rather rare. I recall seeing Oakland doing it in New Orleans a few years back. It might happen once a season or every other season.

So technically the Texans lost, but I could imagine the Titans would have gotten the 2 point conversion if they needed it and then OT would have played out 50/50.

RE: it also begs the question...  
ron mexico : 10/19/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15014355 KDavies said:
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should the NFL not explore a rule change on a penalty stopping the clock? Should they allow the non-penalized team to decline the clock stoppage?


I like that, decline the penalty and the clock stoppage.
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