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I think Eagles is second benchmark game of the season

Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 11:37 am
Thought the Bears was game number 1. Winnable game at home in a tough stretch. We lost, but we showed a lot. Still think we win that game if not for the ridiculous 4th down play where the lineman ended up catching the ball. Hard to argue this years team hasn’t been unfortunate in the luck and ref department.

Hopefully the Eagles don’t get as many calls as they did against Baltimore, but I’m actually excited again. Win here and all of a sudden it’s us and the Cowboys. Curious what they look like tonight as well, if zeke doesn’t have 25 carries tonight McCarthy shoul get fired on the spot.
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RE: RE: Let's be honest  
crick n NC : 10/19/2020 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15014447 Zeke's Alibi said:
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It isn't about wins, it's about how they win. If the Giants beat Philly in the same type of game that was just played against Washington, how valuable of a win is it in determining whether the team has turned the corner?



I'd say they are finally learning how to win and beating teams that should. They aren't good yet, that is clear as day, but is it possible they are close to mediocre right now, just dealt a bad hand as far as schedule and some luck?


Zeke, I am more inclined to see it your way. My issue is with fans complaining about how the quality of yesterday's win, then claiming if the Giants just beat Philly without considering context that it somehow would show progress.

I'm not applying this to you, but I have seen this take already.
Zeke  
cjac : 10/19/2020 12:14 pm : link
You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division?

I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score?
The Eagles are not good  
Reale01 : 10/19/2020 12:17 pm : link
They have our number for sure. The defense has been bad, the OL has been horrible, the receiver drop a ton of balls, Wentz has been a mistake machine and the coach has been heavily criticized. Their only win was a bit lucky.

The Giants can lose to anybody. We have shown that we do what it takes to lose. Bad luck, bad calls, bad plays, stupid penalties, and turnovers. They have a full toolkit.

A win here is still very possible and would give them a chance to make the rest of the season interesting.
RE: IF the Giants win I think its a benchmark  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15014451 Dinger said:
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I don't expect them to. Pederson has our number and is a good coach who finds ways to win. Not sure Judge has shown that yet. After the SF game, I am not delusional. They have shown in the past two games the NFC East is on fairly common ground and I just don't think we have anything that puts us at an advantage against an experienced Philly team.


Pederson is one of the most overrated guys to win a superbowl. He does things every game that are absolutely mind boggling. Franck Reich was the driver of that offense.
RE: Zeke  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15014458 cjac said:
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You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division?

I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score?


Yes I do, in fact right before the Cowboys game I doubled down my bet on them to win at NFC East. They were 40-1 and that loss was a kick in the nuts, but I also took them before the season at 20-1. Figured if it wasn't the Cowboys we have just a good as shot as anyone because of how bad the Eagles and Skins are. Well Dak is now hurt and the Boys defense is trash. It's literally a wide open race for the toilet bowl, how people can't see that I'm not sure. The Eagles lost to this same Skins team!
LOL  
Justlurking : 10/19/2020 12:21 pm : link
we couldnt beat the Eagles when we were good. They will get embarrassed on Thursday because its what they do.
I'm actually very curious of what the odds are going to be if Boys los  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 12:22 pm : link
lose tonight. I'd imagine the Giants will be around 10-1.
Isn't this just a game  
NYG22 : 10/19/2020 12:23 pm : link
of a bad team (NYG) versus a slightly less bad team? Why are some of you acting like its a huge gap? Its an opening spread of 6 and that's before the Ertz, Sanders injury announcements.
This game is going to be exactly like the last idk  
Bleedblue10 : 10/19/2020 12:28 pm : link
What was the number of losses in a row to philly? 16? Whatever this is a bad situation for us to be in. Injury bug hitting on a short week against a division rival. Not good. Can totally see this being Carson Wentz “get right” game. He’ll go back to playing like an MVP candidate just for this one game and struggle vs everyone else making us wonder what we are doing so wrong. I wish I was a gambling man, That trains never late!!
Eagles win big on Thursday  
averagejoe : 10/19/2020 12:29 pm : link
Philly is not a good team. But we cannot score points. Giants are the easiest team to defend in NFL. Nothing at all to worry about. Teams with a historically bad pass defense have shut us down no problem. This will be more of the same. Philly is so bad we may be in it for a while but we don't score enough to put any game away.
What is this  
flicker, flea : 10/19/2020 12:31 pm : link
"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?
RE: RE: Zeke  
cjac : 10/19/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15014473 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15014458 cjac said:


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You really truly think this team has a chance to win the division?

I respect your opinions and i read a lot of what you put on this site, but in this instance I'm not sure what you're watching. How are we going to score?



Yes I do, in fact right before the Cowboys game I doubled down my bet on them to win at NFC East. They were 40-1 and that loss was a kick in the nuts, but I also took them before the season at 20-1. Figured if it wasn't the Cowboys we have just a good as shot as anyone because of how bad the Eagles and Skins are. Well Dak is now hurt and the Boys defense is trash. It's literally a wide open race for the toilet bowl, how people can't see that I'm not sure. The Eagles lost to this same Skins team!


I'll tell you what, i dont know where you live, but if the Giants win the division, i'll give you my seats to any 2021 Giant game you want. (that is if covid is gone and all that and were back to normal)

disclaimer 2 is its for you to go to the game, i'm not giving you my tickets to give to someone else

I think when they say learn how to win  
Bleedblue10 : 10/19/2020 12:36 pm : link
They mean not going in the tank in close games when something goes wrong. Like if they are in the 4th quarter of a tied game and the other team scores or forces a turnover they shouldn’t just assume “here we go again” and give up. Learning how to win also means learning to deal w/adversity and making plays under pressure
I live in Tampa Bay, but I'd take you up on that lol.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 12:38 pm : link
Is it unlikely? As of now yes, but the NFL things change on a dime. Cowboys lose tonight, Giants beat the Eagles on Thursday and Cowboys lose to Skins (that game is always tight) next week all of a sudden you have a 4 way race in the NFC East. This isn't past the scope of possibility. And it has nothign with the Giants being good, but this division being historically poor. The nice thing is though, this teams arrow is pointing up as far as age and development is concerned. Nobody lost a bigger piece than we did this year with Saquon.
RE: I think when they say learn how to win  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15014509 Bleedblue10 said:
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They mean not going in the tank in close games when something goes wrong. Like if they are in the 4th quarter of a tied game and the other team scores or forces a turnover they shouldn’t just assume “here we go again” and give up. Learning how to win also means learning to deal w/adversity and making plays under pressure


This. It's a mentality and why I hate this tanking idea unless you are jettisoning everyone. Players get accostomed to losing and winning. I've been on really good teams in my life and some really bad ones (notably football). When that culure is in place, you just expect to lose. In tight games (where half of them are) perception has a tendency to become reality.
Thanks Bleed  
flicker, flea : 10/19/2020 12:40 pm : link
and I don't mean to be snarky, I guess I just assumed that if you made it all the way to the NFL, weren't a pussy, and had the benefit of years of coaching that you would innately be able to avoid those pitfalls.
and thanks for  
flicker, flea : 10/19/2020 12:42 pm : link
additional detail Zeke.
Don't worry  
Chris684 : 10/19/2020 12:45 pm : link
This is the unwinnable game that if NYG ever did win will be totally discredited. That's how it's become around here lately.
The Offense  
PhilD : 10/19/2020 12:48 pm : link
Needs to score a touchdown in the red Zone. Until we can score touchdowns in the red Zone we are not going to win.
they are all benchmark games but this is the second statement game  
Eric on Li : 10/19/2020 12:59 pm : link
the first being the game against the cowboys. And the statement would simply be that we aren't a guaranteed win in the NFCE like we have been the past several years.

We haven't beat Philly since splitting in 2016. 0-7 in the last 7.

We similarly hadn't beat Dallas since winning both games against them in 2016 and are now 0-7 after losing to them this year.

Beating the redskins isn't new. Even surprising in an out of division game wouldn't have been that new. Beating Dallas and Philly is a big next step this team needs to take - especially with Philly in a world of hurt right now in terms of injuries.
Benchmark games?  
Carson53 : 10/19/2020 1:16 pm : link
A little early for that, they finally won a game.
They are not in the 'benchmark' category as of yet.
Let them win some games first please...and this
Thurs. night is most likely not one of them.
RE: they are all benchmark games but this is the second statement game  
Carson53 : 10/19/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15014558 Eric on Li said:
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the first being the game against the cowboys. And the statement would simply be that we aren't a guaranteed win in the NFCE like we have been the past several years.

We haven't beat Philly since splitting in 2016. 0-7 in the last 7.

We similarly hadn't beat Dallas since winning both games against them in 2016 and are now 0-7 after losing to them this year.

Beating the redskins isn't new. Even surprising in an out of division game wouldn't have been that new. Beating Dallas and Philly is a big next step this team needs to take - especially with Philly in a world of hurt right now in terms of injuries.
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It's now the "Washington Football Team' to you...
This division really does suck though, good Lord.
RE: Don't worry  
Dinger : 10/19/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15014526 Chris684 said:
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This is the unwinnable game that if NYG ever did win will be totally discredited. That's how it's become around here lately.


I understand where you are coming from and we won yesterday but to a lot of us, it felt like it wasn't because of the plays WE made but the ones WFT didn't make.

This will be a benchmark game IF we win, DJ doesn't turn the ball over, the D makes a stop when it has to and the OL doesn't look like crap.

RE: Sanders, Ertz  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:
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being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.


The Eagles can really rush the passer. Jones biggest issue is sack fumbles. Can they keep Jones clean? Can he make plays under heavy duress? Can he not end a 1 play drive with a TO? Can he lead a comeback drive in the 4th Q? With the Eagles passrush, I would say no. But he can prove me wrong on Thursday.
I'm sorry  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2020 1:25 pm : link
but it doesn't fucking matter how they beat the Eagles.

If they beat the Eagles 3-0, we will be over the fucking moon and you all know it.
Benchmarks work both ways....not sure why people are saying only  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 1:33 pm : link
good teams can have benchmark games. It can be a benchmark that you are actually much worse than you are. Shit if we get blown out by Eagles that's it for the year. Can't get a better benchmark then that.
RE: What is this  
Jim from Katonah : 10/19/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15014501 flicker, flea said:
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"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?


I’d add that beyond physical talent, some folks have the ability/discipline to make smart decisions, ie decisions that increase your odds and probabilities of winning. You can see in all sports. It golf, for example, you can play with a person with infinitely more “talent” who takes unnecessary risks. Sometimes just making sure you two putt from 10 feet is the winning play. Or basketball, not committing a stupid foul in wrong situation.

In football, it’s a lot more of a split second thing, a recognition thing. Some of it is coaching, but even with great coaching it sometimes takes years to get it (and some people never get it). Perfect example might be DJ’s interception yesterday ... the “learning to win” would be DJ recognizing that points on the board in that situation was far and away the most important outcome, and should have informed his approach to the play (and readiness to dump the ball or even take the sack when K Smith whiffed).
RE: Sanders, Ertz  
NYG22 : 10/19/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:
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being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.


They are indeed OUT on Thursday.
Given  
Photoguy : 10/19/2020 2:04 pm : link
the number of oddball, just plain weird shit that seems to happen when we play them, I don't see us winning this. I want to be wrong. I want a win for a change.
RE: Given  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15014661 Photoguy said:
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the number of oddball, just plain weird shit that seems to happen when we play them, I don't see us winning this. I want to be wrong. I want a win for a change.


I lauged at this because it's true and based on all the weird bounces and questionable calls (not one to usually point fingers at the refs) that couldnt be overturned this year, I'm sure something is going to happen to make me apoplectic. At least I feel about this team again. Honestly could barely give a shit up until they actually took a 10 pt lead early in the Wash game.
RE: This game is going to tell us a lot for better or worse.  
GMen72 : 10/19/2020 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15014443 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Are they close, but just need to learn how to win? Are the atrocious and still far off? Are they actually better than we think (the defense at least)?

As bad as this team is, if they win Thursday, I think 5 division wins is right in their grasp which would almost certainly get you the crown this year.


Close to what? 5-11 instead of 4-12?

Let's say we beat WFT twice, Eagles once, and the Bengals. That doesn't make this team any closer to anything?
RE: and thanks for  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15014523 flicker, flea said:
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additional detail Zeke.


As far as your point goes about these guys being professionals. These guys are freak athletes and many get to this level despite being absolute mental midgets. Plenty of evidence out there of that. One of the coaches biggest jobs is managing the emotions of their team in game and in season as football is an extremely emotional sport.
They might get Desean Jackson back this week  
Essex : 10/19/2020 2:33 pm : link
fwiw
Baby Steps  
mittenedman : 10/19/2020 2:47 pm : link
I don't think Judge has been out-coached yet - I'd like to see a well-prepared effort against the Eagles. Look like a team that practices and has familiarity with our biggest rival.

I still don't think we've covered Brian Westbrook or Shady McCoy yet.
RE: RE: What is this  
Reale01 : 10/19/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15014641 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 15014501 flicker, flea said:


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"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?



I’d add that beyond physical talent, some folks have the ability/discipline to make smart decisions, ie decisions that increase your odds and probabilities of winning. You can see in all sports. It golf, for example, you can play with a person with infinitely more “talent” who takes unnecessary risks. Sometimes just making sure you two putt from 10 feet is the winning play. Or basketball, not committing a stupid foul in wrong situation.

In football, it’s a lot more of a split second thing, a recognition thing. Some of it is coaching, but even with great coaching it sometimes takes years to get it (and some people never get it). Perfect example might be DJ’s interception yesterday ... the “learning to win” would be DJ recognizing that points on the board in that situation was far and away the most important outcome, and should have informed his approach to the play (and readiness to dump the ball or even take the sack when K Smith whiffed).


There IS something to learning to win. IMO It is confidence. Sports are about ability - and confidence. When you are used to winning you are confident. When you are used to losing you are not as confident. Trying to avoid mistakes leads to missed opportunities AND more mistakes. Winning teams play loose, confident, and smart.

JUdge believes that practice and attention to detail will increase confidence and I would agree. First is to establish it as individuals and next as a team.

As a coach I would always tell my teams to expect that bad things would happen and KNOW that we are good enough to overcome those events by focusing on what happens next and using are ability and training to control the things we can control.

Daniel Jones and the offense have fallen short when given a chance to finish near the end of games this year. I believe that he will succeed and when he does it will happen more often.
Every game is winnable but  
larryflower37 : 10/19/2020 2:51 pm : link
The Eagles talent is just better then the Giants right now.
Giants need to play perfect games and we need mistakes by other teams.
This is like the Dallas game, the Cowboys talent is far ahead of the Giants right now and they made more big mistakes that keep the Giants in the game.
Same with Philly, they need to shoot themselves in the foot and the Giants need to play lights out to win.
Philly played well this week and if we get that team we will lose even if we play well.
RE: RE: Sanders, Ertz  
Reale01 : 10/19/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15014595 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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In comment 15014384 NYG22 said:


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being out (possibly, nothing definitive yet) helps. I don't see how we don't match-up well against them. We aren't good but there is nothing scary about the Eagles.



The Eagles can really rush the passer. Jones biggest issue is sack fumbles. Can they keep Jones clean? Can he make plays under heavy duress? Can he not end a 1 play drive with a TO? Can he lead a comeback drive in the 4th Q? With the Eagles passrush, I would say no. But he can prove me wrong on Thursday.


Three things
Score TDs in the red zone
Clutch offense at end of game
No game changing turnovers/penalties

IMO The Giants can do these things and once they do it will become habit.
It’s time to stop counting a win vs WA...  
morrison40 : 10/19/2020 3:25 pm : link
As progress
RE: Let's be honest  
djm : 10/19/2020 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15014440 crick n NC said:
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It isn't about wins, it's about how they win. If the Giants beat Philly in the same type of game that was just played against Washington, how valuable of a win is it in determining whether the team has turned the corner?


To an extent this is both true and something that shouldn't be taken too seriously. Ugly wins add up just as much as pretty wins but yes you want to see the team look GOOD to ensure winning is sustainable. But it also works with some of the losses or close losses we have endured. It might be fair to say this team isn't as bad as their 1-5 record but it doesn't really matter. Wins and losses matter.

Another ugly win gets this team to 2-5 and within breathing distance of first place dallas. it also creates some distance between the Giants and 3rd and 4th place. If they win ugly, it gives the Giants more time to get things right and IF, (big IF) they ever did figure things out this year, these ugly wins get them home.

Ugly wins can turn into something much more meaningful by season's end. It's Philly. Just fucking win. Worry about pretty when we get there.
yes it was ugly  
djm : 10/19/2020 3:51 pm : link
it would have season over if they lost and MUCH uglier. The season is still alive and that's all that counts. The OL wasn't half bad yesterday. Build on that. The DL wasn't bad either.
amen... djm  
BCD : 10/19/2020 3:56 pm : link
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sure I think they can win.....  
BillKo : 10/19/2020 4:30 pm : link
...but would need some breaks. Maybe a defensive TD again or something along those lines. Broken plays. Eagles maybe giving up with a 1-4-1 record.

The Eagles are banged up on offense, and it's more than obvious now the Giants have some talent to play solid defense. In addition, they have veteran type players (Martinez, Ryan, Bradberry) that know how to play and do make a difference.

The Eagles are not a good team, but they still have some components (DL) that don't bode well for us in matchups.

Still.....injury to Wentz? Turnovers from Wentz? Easily could happen.....Giants have a shot.
RE: RE: RE: What is this  
Jim from Katonah : 10/19/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15014758 Reale01 said:
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In comment 15014641 Jim from Katonah said:


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In comment 15014501 flicker, flea said:


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"learn how to win" sentiment that I keep reading? I'm no pro, and don't pretend to be, but I played sports through college and after. Good teams and bad. The team either has the talent and coaching to win or it doesn't. Can someone explain this?



I’d add that beyond physical talent, some folks have the ability/discipline to make smart decisions, ie decisions that increase your odds and probabilities of winning. You can see in all sports. It golf, for example, you can play with a person with infinitely more “talent” who takes unnecessary risks. Sometimes just making sure you two putt from 10 feet is the winning play. Or basketball, not committing a stupid foul in wrong situation.

In football, it’s a lot more of a split second thing, a recognition thing. Some of it is coaching, but even with great coaching it sometimes takes years to get it (and some people never get it). Perfect example might be DJ’s interception yesterday ... the “learning to win” would be DJ recognizing that points on the board in that situation was far and away the most important outcome, and should have informed his approach to the play (and readiness to dump the ball or even take the sack when K Smith whiffed).



There IS something to learning to win. IMO It is confidence. Sports are about ability - and confidence. When you are used to winning you are confident. When you are used to losing you are not as confident. Trying to avoid mistakes leads to missed opportunities AND more mistakes. Winning teams play loose, confident, and smart.

JUdge believes that practice and attention to detail will increase confidence and I would agree. First is to establish it as individuals and next as a team.

As a coach I would always tell my teams to expect that bad things would happen and KNOW that we are good enough to overcome those events by focusing on what happens next and using are ability and training to control the things we can control.

Daniel Jones and the offense have fallen short when given a chance to finish near the end of games this year. I believe that he will succeed and when he does it will happen more often.


Good post, and agreed.
The games against Philly are always benchmarks games for me...  
Fishmanjim57 : 10/19/2020 6:37 pm : link
I hate the Eagles more than all of the teams in the NFL. The stinking Eagles have owned the Giants for the past decade, and I hope Judge realizes that the Giants have been considered an easy win for the entire Philadelphia sports world. I hope that Big Blue travels to the Linc and shocks the NFL by finally beating the Eagles!
GO BIG BLUE!!!
RE: Every game is winnable but  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/19/2020 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15014764 larryflower37 said:
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The Eagles talent is just better then the Giants right now.
Giants need to play perfect games and we need mistakes by other teams.
This is like the Dallas game, the Cowboys talent is far ahead of the Giants right now and they made more big mistakes that keep the Giants in the game.
Same with Philly, they need to shoot themselves in the foot and the Giants need to play lights out to win.
Philly played well this week and if we get that team we will lose even if we play well.


Their talent isn't better right now though. They actually did play a lot more disciplined than the Ravens last week, but the game wasn't nearly as close as the score indicates. Dropped passes, missed throws, poor tackling on defense. They are on our talent level, they just have a lot of names way past their prime. Shit they remind me a lot of the Giants 2013-15 right now except at QB. They actually have a bigger issue there because Wentz doesn't look good, but he isn't getting much help either. Could just be a bad year, Eli had those too.
A lot of people  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/19/2020 8:18 pm : link
with loud uninformed opinions. Typical BBI.

The Eagles are not very good right now.
The Giants have only beaten  
MtDizzle : 10/19/2020 10:00 pm : link
Philly 4 times since the 2008 season, lets turn this god damn thing around. It starts with one!
RE: Baby Steps  
NoGainDayne : 10/19/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15014757 mittenedman said:
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I don't think Judge has been out-coached yet - I'd like to see a well-prepared effort against the Eagles. Look like a team that practices and has familiarity with our biggest rival.

I still don't think we've covered Brian Westbrook or Shady McCoy yet.


What? The SF Game??
RE: RE: Baby Steps  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/20/2020 9:05 am : link
In comment 15015260 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15014757 mittenedman said:


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I don't think Judge has been out-coached yet - I'd like to see a well-prepared effort against the Eagles. Look like a team that practices and has familiarity with our biggest rival.

I still don't think we've covered Brian Westbrook or Shady McCoy yet.



What? The SF Game??


That game was a classic example of one play opening up the floodgates. What makes that worse was it was on a terrible calll on 3rd and long.

Graham got outcoached in the second half against Shanahan, but to be fair, he’s the best coach at making second half adjustments in football.


With that Cowboys loss, this is going to tell us a helluva lot about this football team. I’d imagine there is probably more energy in the building then there has been in a long time.
One of those games  
Thegratefulhead : 10/22/2020 12:36 pm : link
For the last few years the NFC East has been bad. Early in the season, those same years we have still been in the hunt even with a dismal record. We get to a game against a division opponent that if we were to win, we would legitimately be playing meaningful games. In every one of these games we have come up small. Even when the scores were close, it has felt like we were not even in those games.

Jones needs to win one of these game to cement this team as his. More than win/loss record for the year, he needs to come up big in a game like this. If has the ball in his hands with a chance to win the game, he has to come through. I don't care if he has to run to get every yard. I am so rooting for him tonight. A big win with a solid performance from Jones would give this franchise a GIANT shot in the arm.

I just want to win one of these games. Change our stars.
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